I don't know about you but i am fed up with society and government telling people what they should and should not do.
I believe it definitely benefits the few and means at times one should pander to certain groups of people.
I was pleased recently that the government lost the vote on religious hatred as i disagreed with it.
I agree that smoking is bad and if people want to do it then do it out of halms way and not in other peoples air space.
My grandad and my father used to smoke in houses where i lived and we just put up with it until one day my mother had enough of it and my dad stopped.
Are we to presume that it is ok for minority groups to threaten with their banners when marching on the streets of our capital and yet we must be rebuked for similar action.
I'm affraid the tail is wagging the dog at present and i for one have had enough,if we lived in a foreign country wouldn't we have to obey their customs and laws of their land so why is it any different in the uk.
You only have one life and i believe in fighting for freedom and justice.
The continued occupation of Iraq and sponsoring this war says all we need to know about what is wrong with this government.

if we lived in a foreign country wouldn't we have to obey their customs and laws of their land so why is it any different in the uk
You only have one life and i believe in fighting for freedom and justice.
The continued occupation of Iraq and sponsoring this war says all we need to know about what is wrong with this government.

Crikey - there's 3 statements that you don't expect to see in succession.

I think eastwoodgill's having a bad day :-(

Yes, but what about the job/s you have available?

[EDIT: Thread now moved from jobs section.]

I was looking on the jobs section prior to writing the thread, "we must not concern ourselves of things we have no control over eh?" i suppose that is why we are allowed a vote and the reason we have mp's i guess.
The influence in this country from outside is frightening

I'm not sure how that's supposed to be read.
It's a topic about PC, which isn't mentioned in the text.
The text starts off talking about the government telling people what to do, and by extension how they shouldn't. Touches briefly on religous hatred laws (so I guess you think that preaching religous hatred is okay), then smoking (apparently this ones okay).
Then as far as I can tell, an unexpected left turn into minority groups and their right to protest. Which apparently 'they' have the right to do, but 'we' don't... wasn't aware of that last bit myself, I though we could all protest if we wanted to.
Then another sharp turn with an apparent dig at immigrants for not becoming british enough fast enough when they immigrate.
Finally another swipe at the government over the iraq war.

Maybe i'm just feeling dim today, but I can't seem to find anything linking those things, and I find it difficult to read the post as coherent or actually putting forward much of a point or opinion. It could probably do well in a rant competition though.

I was looking on the jobs section prior to writing the thread, "we must not concern ourselves of things we have no control over eh?" i suppose that is why we are allowed a vote and the reason we have mp's i guess.
The influence in this country from outside is frightening

and that doesn't work both ways at all, as a country we have absolutely no influence outside our own borders eh?

Sorry if you have any trouble reading this thread, my point was to state that with political correctness so evident in society we are living almost in a police state where our every move is being watched.
No need to worry if you are innocent but with dna testing being so impressive of late we could easily be implicated in a crime which we know nothing about.
I am not against anyone i am a supporter of racial integration and believe it is good for any society but also most importantly we are all equal.
If anyone acts out of line they should be punished whatever their background

we are living almost in a police state where our every move is being watched.
If anyone acts out of line they should be punished whatever their background
If you believe those who step out of line should be punished, then they'll need watching, yes?

Don't need cameras for that as previously stated our dna detection is now state of the art n'est pas?

Sorry if you have any trouble reading this thread, my point was to state that with political correctness so evident in society we are living almost in a police state where our every move is being watched.
I don't see the link between the two, how do you think they are linked?


No need to worry if you are innocent but with dna testing being so impressive of late we could easily be implicated in a crime which we know nothing about.
How would you know nothing about it if you're dna was present? And given that most of us do not have our dna on file, how would it implicate us?


I am not against anyone i am a supporter of racial integration and believe it is good for any society but also most importantly we are all equal.
If anyone acts out of line they should be punished whatever their background
I thought that was the case, who is it that isn't punished due to having a different background?

Don't need cameras for that as previously stated our dna detection is now state of the art n'est pas?
Yes, but not every crime can be solved by DNA detection. And how to do you track down whose DNA you've found? The idea of a compulsory (inter)national dna database raises all kinds of issues.

i have to say i'm with cyclone on this one the thread title and subsequent posts have absolutely nothing in common... I don't really think you have addressed political correctness at any stage thus far.

If your ex placed your fibres or hair or skin and she knew you were on police files then she/hecould set you up.
I read last week about the unfortunate story of a young girl knocked over last week by a muslim who had no driving license,no insurance and because he was not seen to be driving dangerously got 3 months i rest my case, some people really do get away with murder.

I may be misreading that, but you're not seriously suggesting someone's religion had anything to do with the justice they received?
I agree the sentence is extremely lenient (I'd have wanted 10 years plus) but I think you're barking up the wrong tree (exposing your prejudices in the process) as to why it was lenient

p/c is all about how and what we do in society how we address ourselves our own personal tollerence of others.
Not using words which might offend other groups yet innocent to us in our earlier upbringing.

Sorry if you have any trouble reading this thread, my point was to state that with political correctness so evident in society we are living almost in a police state where our every move is being watched.
No need to worry if you are innocent but with dna testing being so impressive of late we could easily be implicated in a crime which we know nothing about.
I am not against anyone i am a supporter of racial integration and believe it is good for any society but also most importantly we are all equal.
If anyone acts out of line they should be punished whatever their background
I'm finding it really difficult to find the link between "political correctness" and everything else mentioned in the above post.

The OP just seems to be a rant about issues which have nothing (as far as I can see) to do with political correctness.

I hope someone can explain it to me.:huh:

The other issues are not related ann p/c was just my heading title, don't worry scratch no more.

You do seem to be switching points quite a lot :P

PC gone mad - hear this every so often, but I'm never sure what it means as most PC things are government guidelines on communication, not laws for the public to follow, you're unlikely to be arrested on the grounds of not being politically correct (ie saying brainstorm).

DNA - do you have an issue with this? My DNA isn't on the police database, so its unlikely i'll be incriminated in something I have no idea about - and you do realise that DNA evidence on its own isn't enough to convict someone, you have to be able to prove whatever the incident is.

Driving Dangerously - the law is being changed, I believe, to allow longer sentences for those who cause death by careless or reckless driving. I don't really think that religion comes into it, neither in cause or in justice.

I agree alex !religion doesn't come in to it when sentencing but i worry about racial harmony if someone does get the right sentence and if the minorities in society will say "that person has been given a stiffer sentence because of who he or she is".

hold on, so someone was under sentenced and you think that it might cause resentment amongst people from the same minority?

Or you think that fixing the problem and setting appropriate sentences for people who kill by driving dangerously would cause a problem?

If it's the latter, why, it's not like the muslim driver you mentioned would be singled out for a more appropriate sentence, it would apply to everyone.

Indeed, just to demonstrate how the current situation applies to everyone. A female caucasian driver who killed my friend hasn't received a jail sentence at all, merely a driving ban and a fine. For overtaking a stationary bus and running a red light, missing several people, but not my friend.

Some people just demonstrate what a huge inferiority complex they have,
I believe the current system is in need of review, if a person takes a car on the road and knows the risk without having passed a test they are putting themselves and the public in danger.
Flouting the law in this way should be punished with the appropriate sentence.

I read last week about the unfortunate story of a young girl knocked over last week by a muslim who had no driving license,no insurance and because he was not seen to be driving dangerously got 3 months i rest my case, some people really do get away with murder.

I think you have given yourself away.

Given myself away i'm lost? please explain

Some people just demonstrate what a huge inferiority complex they have,
I believe the current system is in need of review, if a person takes a car on the road and knows the risk without having passed a test they are putting themselves and the public in danger.
Flouting the law in this way should be punished with the appropriate sentence.

I agree, and it's already being reviewed. Next.

I think you have given yourself away.


I agree, it's a real shame that this thread started of by pussy footing around what it really wanted to say. It had real good potential (Not) I assume Eastwoodgill was waiting for someone else to say it though :suspect:

As for political correctnes, I'd say it has nothing to do with occupying Iraq, but the classic symptoms of political correctness is to:

Have an unhealthy obsession with looking for the good in the evil, and looking for the evil in the good.

Turn a blind eye towards evil and thumb their noses at good.

See our enemies as friends and our friends as enemies.

Think the dishonest deserve a second chance whilst the honest don't deserve their first.

Think that those who seek our destruction at any price can be placated by simply being nice to them.

There are others, but those are the main ones.

And this is endemic in the West. It explains why we are afraid to name our enemy in the battle to save Western civilization, which we have been embroiled in since 2001 - we had no hangups at naming Nazi Germany as the enemy in 1939. It explains our fear to put out those Mohammed cartoons in case it upsets a few Muslims - those same Muslims who are quick to describe Jews as sons of swine and apes, call for the imposition of Sharia law here and the murder of our troops in Iraq whilst at the same time taking advantage of everything our country has to offer, and lambast tolerant and free countries like the US and Israel as the great and little Satans whilst turning blind eyes to the goings on in Iran and the Sudan. It also explains why we get folks protesting against Bush but never against Ahmadinejad.

Eastwoodgill, you have come to the right place in respect of PC, either you think it to be as stupid as I do or it becomes your handbook to life, don't let it get you down its not worth it.

When a PC clone says somehing to me such as 'young male person' I just keep saying pardon or sorry until they say 'boy' or 'lad'. It happened a while ago with 'financially disadvantaged', it took ages for them to remember that the word that they were looking for was either 'broke' or 'skint'.

A guy that I have known for years who is a nice bloke when he gets off his PC high horse cracked an Asian guy in the mouth and had a bloody good go at his mate for indecently assulting his teenaged daughter at a motorway service station. He was very concerned that the scumbags were Asian and even said that he wished that they had been white. He was of course a fairly senior public sector employee who had been bombarded with so much PC crap that he had started to think that it was him that was at fault.

I will still wish folk a happy Christmas within earshot of Muslims, Jews etc without considering myself a racist pig, and come to think of it I don't even care that I have just said pig.

As for political correctnes, I'd say it has nothing to do with occupying Iraq, but the classic symptoms of political correctness is to:

Have an unhealthy obsession with looking for the good in the evil, and looking for the evil in the good.

Turn a blind eye towards evil and thumb their noses at good.

See our enemies as friends and our friends as enemies.

Think the dishonest deserve a second chance whilst the honest don't deserve their first.

Think that those who seek our destruction at any price can be placated by simply being nice to them.

There are others, but those are the main ones.

And this is endemic in the West. It explains why we are afraid to name our enemy in the battle to save Western civilization, which we have been embroiled in since 2001 - we had no hangups at naming Nazi Germany as the enemy in 1939. It explains our fear to put out those Mohammed cartoons in case it upsets a few Muslims - those same Muslims who are quick to describe Jews as sons of swine and apes, call for the imposition of Sharia law here and the murder of our troops in Iraq whilst at the same time taking advantage of everything our country has to offer, and lambast tolerant and free countries like the US and Israel as the great and little Satans whilst turning blind eyes to the goings on in Iran and the Sudan. It also explains why we get folks protesting against Bush but never against Ahmadinejad.


because all muslims all think alike obviously, just as much as all christians.

:cool: it's all gone quiet on this one

As for political correctnes, I'd say it has nothing to do with occupying Iraq, but the classic symptoms of political correctness is to:

Have an unhealthy obsession with looking for the good in the evil, and looking for the evil in the good.

Turn a blind eye towards evil and thumb their noses at good.

See our enemies as friends and our friends as enemies.

Think the dishonest deserve a second chance whilst the honest don't deserve their first.

Think that those who seek our destruction at any price can be placated by simply being nice to them.

There are others, but those are the main ones.

And this is endemic in the West. It explains why we are afraid to name our enemy in the battle to save Western civilization, which we have been embroiled in since 2001 - we had no hangups at naming Nazi Germany as the enemy in 1939. It explains our fear to put out those Mohammed cartoons in case it upsets a few Muslims - those same Muslims who are quick to describe Jews as sons of swine and apes, call for the imposition of Sharia law here and the murder of our troops in Iraq whilst at the same time taking advantage of everything our country has to offer, and lambast tolerant and free countries like the US and Israel as the great and little Satans whilst turning blind eyes to the goings on in Iran and the Sudan. It also explains why we get folks protesting against Bush but never against Ahmadinejad.

The reason people protest against Bush is because our government is practically in bed with him. Whats the point in protesting against Muslim fundamentalists that our government has no ties to?

We named Nazi Germany as the enemy because Nazi Germany was the enemy. Naming the Muslim faith as the enemy is both irresponsible and inaccurate.

Al-Queda may be the enemy, muslim fundamentalists may be the enemy, but Muslim people are not - muslim teachers, lawyers, doctors, children - all of whom, I might add, get persecuted on a daily basis from hateful people not that different to those who dont understand the difference between a paediatrician and a paedophile.

I'm not arguing this because I'm 'PC' or I'm scared of muslim people, I'm arguing it because I believe it's true.

Edit: I have some sympathy with the views expressed by other users of this forum about political correctness stifling debate on multiculturalism and the bureaucratic nature of New Labour's spin machine. I don't have any sympathy with your thinly disguised anti-Muslim rubbish.

IMO sometimes political correctness does go too far... It bugs me that you can't say this cos it'll upset the PC brigade, you can't say that cos so and so don't like it.

For god sake! I'll say whatever the chuff I want to, and if the PC brigade or the loony left (same diff if you ask me) don't like it, tough rocks mate!

IMO sometimes political correctness does go too far... It bugs me that you can't say this cos it'll upset the PC brigade, you can't say that cos so and so don't like it.

For god sake! I'll say whatever the chuff I want to, and if the PC brigade or the loony left (same diff if you ask me) don't like it, tough rocks mate!
Have you posted this before? Its given me massive deja vu. Out of interest, when was the last time that you personally were told that you couldn't say something? (I'm assuming that this and that actually are tangible words and not just a concept)

Have you posted this before? Its given me massive deja vu. Out of interest, when was the last time that you personally were told that you couldn't say something? (I'm assuming that this and that actually are tangible words and not just a concept)

Knowing me I probably have posted something along those lines before, but that's just me mate, I'm unconventional, and don't just conform to what society and the general public expect.

Knowing me I probably have posted something along those lines before, but that's just me mate, I'm unconventional, and don't just conform to what society and the general public expect.

Psml :hihi:

That rich, he's a loose cannon!

So when was the last time Rich?

So when was the last time Rich?

Ooh I'd say *looks at watch*... About half an hour ago :D

I don't know about you but i am fed up with society and government telling people what they should and should not do.
I believe it definitely benefits the few and means at times one should pander to certain groups of people.
I was pleased recently that the government lost the vote on religious hatred as i disagreed with it.
I agree that smoking is bad and if people want to do it then do it out of halms way and not in other peoples air space.
My grandad and my father used to smoke in houses where i lived and we just put up with it until one day my mother had enough of it and my dad stopped.
Are we to presume that it is ok for minority groups to threaten with their banners when marching on the streets of our capital and yet we must be rebuked for similar action.
I'm affraid the tail is wagging the dog at present and i for one have had enough,if we lived in a foreign country wouldn't we have to obey their customs and laws of their land so why is it any different in the uk.
You only have one life and i believe in fighting for freedom and justice.
The continued occupation of Iraq and sponsoring this war says all we need to know about what is wrong with this government.

Please, Hang on everyone. The original Post from Eastwoodgill was a bit confused, but read it a few times and you can understand what he/she wants to ask.
Political Correctness... are we being overcome by it to the extent where we can't say what we want without penalties, or approbrium from others, including Government/Authority.

Should we let minority Groups determine the agenda, with the help of the Politically Correct minority, and with Government support?

Should the politically correct groups determine whether the minority Groups in Society are favoured when they protest, but the rest of us are not.

If we lived in a foreign country, would we expect to live under their rules.
So why shouldn't those from outside our country living here do the same?

I am sorry if the majority of Posters on this thread already have worked out the question Eastwoodgill was asking, but I know a few have expressed puzzlement and that may lead to rambling answers. I, too, hope I have interpreted the basis for the thread accurately.....I act only in good faith.

The reason people protest against Bush is because our government is practically in bed with him. Whats the point in protesting against Muslim fundamentalists that our government has no ties to?

We named Nazi Germany as the enemy because Nazi Germany was the enemy. Naming the Muslim faith as the enemy is both irresponsible and inaccurate.

Al-Queda may be the enemy, muslim fundamentalists may be the enemy, but Muslim people are not - muslim teachers, lawyers, doctors, children - all of whom, I might add, get persecuted on a daily basis from hateful people not that different to those who dont understand the difference between a paediatrician and a paedophile.

I'm not arguing this because I'm 'PC' or I'm scared of muslim people, I'm arguing it because I believe it's true.

Edit: I have some sympathy with the views expressed by other users of this forum about political correctness stifling debate on multiculturalism and the bureaucratic nature of New Labour's spin machine. I don't have any sympathy with your thinly disguised anti-Muslim rubbish.
During World War II, nobody ever said we were at war with say 40% of the German population. It would have been unthinkable for anyone to say "We're not at war with German teachers, lawyers, doctors, children etc". We were at war with Germany and Germans whether they were Nazis or not. Hitler won 44% of the vote during the second German Elections in 1933, but we never heard Churchill say "We're at war with only 44% of Germans".

Over the last 35 years or so, and more especially in the last five years, we have watched Muslims celebrate on the streets those deaths in atrocities like 911 etc. Sweets handed out to cheering Muslim kids as innocents in New York were jumping from the 100th floor of the World Trade Center towers. The most productive workers on the planet murdered by the most prolific killers. The fact is, infidel deaths give Muslims cause for celebration. Their list of victims over the last eight years reads - Tourists in Luxor, revellers in Bali, office workers in New York and the Pentagon, air travellers on four planes in the US, commuters in London and Madrid, and schoolchildren in Beslan, not to mention over a thousand innocent civilians in Israel.

We have given billions in aid to Muslim countries over the years, and received no gratitude for it whatsoever. They see aid as jizya - to be expected from the inferior infidel. All the money in the world won't stop them burning our flags and targetting our populations. Saudi Arabias oil revenues are spent on financing mosques and madrassas which pour out anti-Western hatred by the bucketload. Every new generation of Muslims which come through are more militant and extreme than their predecessors. Any goodwill that is bought by those billions we give them lasts as long as a snowball in Hell, before some conspiracy theory winds its way around the Muslim world and the chants of Death to America, Death to Israel, and now Death to Denmark erupt in profusion.

And as for Islam, it is the dream of most Muslims to live under Sharia law in Western countries, and make us live under it as well. And their dream of achieving that goal is closer than many imagine. Simple demographics threatens to give countries like France a majority Muslim population within the next 70 years. There'll be no Moulin Rouge in an Islamified France. Gay Paris will certainly cease to be gay. And the Muslim population is already flexing its muscles in France - witness three weeks of car burnings, and the police there dared not do a thing about it. Authority there has been challenged and has been found wanting. Islam is a supremacist religion, and every cringing remark churned out by Western leaders as regards Islam reinforces that feeling of supremacy in Muslim minds, and far from gaining their respect, it simply earns us their contempt.

Muslims will in time rule all western europe,its all to do with mass immigration, birth rates of the immigrant populations and cowardice from western goverments.

Knowing me I probably have posted something along those lines before, but that's just me mate, I'm unconventional, and don't just conform to what society and the general public expect.
You've avoided my other question about when you were last told off for political correctness, but if you want to, thats fine, just shows you can't substantiate your claim. :)

good rant firecracker, shame about the lack of solid reasoning.

good rant firecracker, shame about the lack of solid reasoning.

Perhaps you would care to expand, Cyclone, and point out exactly which parts of Firecracker's 'rant' lacks solid reasoning?

I would have done at the time, but eating breakfast only takes so long.
How about we start with "all muslims want to live under sharia law". Evidence for that? Contrary evidence is easy to find, go and ask your average muslim living in the uk and they'll say the opposite.

It's the usual case of taking the actions of a few extremists and claiming that they represent every muslim or even just most muslims.

Well said shoeshine at least you understand my points, in a nutshell we are all too frightened of speaking out against our enermy and forget about the race issues these people are self destrucive time bombs.

My only hope is that we see an increase in christianity in this country to take on the threat of being dictated to by a suppose minority.

I would fight tooth and nail biting and scratching to preserve our freedom and way of life in this country and would take on the enermy if knew who they were.
Our forefathers didn't die in vein in the last world war to avoid that possible dictatorship any more than we should allow these terrorists to win and create a new world order.

Well said shoeshine at least you understand my points, in a nutshell we are all too frightened of speaking out against our enermy and forget about the race issues these people are self destrucive time bombs.

My only hope is that we see an increase in christianity in this country to take on the threat of being dictated to by a suppose minority.

I would fight tooth and nail biting and scratching to preserve our freedom and way of life in this country and would take on the enermy if knew who they were.
Our forefathers didn't die in vein in the last world war to avoid that possible dictatorship any more than we should allow these terrorists to win and create a new world order.

I had to read your OP several times before starting to understand what you were trying to express. I am pleased that you found it to be reasonably accurate.

Other than that one contribution from me, I have not expounded any views on your subject.

It does help other contributors if you can separate subjects within your original post and respond to other replies on here as they crop up, rather than switching about between several subjects in one of your answers to them in reply.

You will have plenty of time, then, to work your way through all the points you may wish to make.

Welcome to Sheffield Forum, by the way. :)

The one point I want to address in the original post is:

if we lived in a foreign country wouldn't we have to obey their customs and laws of their land so why is it any different in the uk.


This argument is always trotted out. As a stereotype, the English abroad are worse than any other nationality, demanding chips and egg are served at every restaurant, that the locals speak English, & that British music be played in the pubs. British people living abroad then promptly set themselves up socialising with a big gang of ex-pats, rather than mixing with the locals and learning the language.

Now I know this isn't typical of EVERYONE living abroad - I'm sure it's not, but you can understand surely why someone living here from abroad doesn't automatically want to lose their heritage, their past, their religion and the ability to talk with others who understand their past.

And as for Islam, it is the dream of most Muslims to live under Sharia law in Western countries, and make us live under it as well. And their dream of achieving that goal is closer than many imagine. Simple demographics threatens to give countries like France a majority Muslim population within the next 70 years. There'll be no Moulin Rouge in an Islamified France. Gay Paris will certainly cease to be gay. And the Muslim population is already flexing its muscles in France - witness three weeks of car burnings, and the police there dared not do a thing about it. Authority there has been challenged and has been found wanting. Islam is a supremacist religion, and every cringing remark churned out by Western leaders as regards Islam reinforces that feeling of supremacy in Muslim minds, and far from gaining their respect, it simply earns us their contempt.

This is complete rubbish. "Most muslims" in the UK want to live a law-abiding life, get married, have kids, have a steady job, grow old, retire, watch their kids have kids, and just generally be happy, exactly the same as most white British people.

There are extremists in all religions. In the US there are some born-again christians who believe in the rapture, unconditionally support Dubya, bash gay people and bomb abortion clinics. In Israel there are some far-right settlers who believe they have a god-given right to all of the occupied territories, and who threw acid at soldiers when they were evicted from Gaza. These are no more representative of normal christians or jews than Al-Qaida islamists are of normal muslims.

The bile that you're spouting is plain old fear of non-white people. I work with muslims, and they're nice people. Are you seriously trying to tell me that these colleagues of mine are secretly plotting to overthrow UK society and enforce islamic rule? Should I "take them out" before they take me out? :loopy:

I think you've been reading too many tabloids.

Hi shoeshine well it isn't always easy to be around a computer all day as you can appreciate unless you work in an office.

I sometimes have too many things in my mind and become confused on which is the best way of expressing these view points

The spacing out of my sentences could also be said of how my mind feels right now.

I hope we can all live in a peaceful democracy integrated as one society ,but that's me being an idealist, we should not worry about things we have no control over, but we have freedom of speech and this has been ernt by our forefathers, if you don't like what i say simply turn off your computer or go to another thread, i am not forcing my opinions on anyone just stating them

Alex there are too many do gooders in this world. My example of political correctness and an incident where i have been told off by it is a invalid point.
I was on a tram going to work at meadowhall last year when i was spat on a group of asians unprovoked and unwarranted.

I proceeded to challenge them about this but they just laughed and were trying to wind me and some other customers on the trap up, even the ticket inspector was abused.

They made light of their indecent behaviour as if it was normal, i am convinced that certain individuals amongst certain communities are brought up to hate white people, the leaders need to address these issues.

Hi shoeshine well it isn't always easy to be around a computer all day as you can appreciate unless you work in an office.

I sometimes have too many things in my mind and become confused on which is the best way of expressing these view points

The spacing out of my sentences could also be said of how my mind feels right now.

I hope we can all live in a peaceful democracy integrated as one society ,but that's me being an idealist, we should not worry about things we have no control over, but we have freedom of speech and this has been ernt by our forefathers, if you don't like what i say simply turn off your computer or go to another thread, i am not forcing my opinions on anyone just stating them

My remark concerning my "not expressing an opinion about your views, or on your original OP", is not meant as a criticism of you personally, or your views, in any way.

I just don't wish to make a contribution, that's all. I mean nothing personal in saying that.

This argument is always trotted out. As a stereotype, the English abroad are worse than any other nationality, demanding chips and egg are served at every restaurant, that the locals speak English, & that British music be played in the pubs. British people living abroad then promptly set themselves up socialising with a big gang of ex-pats, rather than mixing with the locals and learning the language.

Now I know this isn't typical of EVERYONE living abroad - I'm sure it's not, but you can understand surely why someone living here from abroad doesn't automatically want to lose their heritage, their past, their religion and the ability to talk with others who understand their past.

Excellent post,BG.Agree 100%:thumbsup:

Alex there are too many do gooders in this world. My example of political correctness and an incident where i have been told off by it is a invalid point.
I was on a tram going to work at meadowhall last year when i was spat on a group of asians unprovoked and unwarranted.

I proceeded to challenge them about this but they just laughed and were trying to wind me and some other customers on the trap up, even the ticket inspector was abused.

They made light of their indecent behaviour as if it was normal, i am convinced that certain individuals amongst certain communities are brought up to hate white people, the leaders need to address these issues.

I don't understand. Some kids spat on you and you think it's because political correctness has gone too far?

I don't know why it is that the whole asian community can be judged on one group of lads on a tram - it is more likely that they spat on you because they are young and male, not because they are asian. I mean, when was the last time a Hindu granny attacked you?

Let's judge all muslims as terrorists, while distancing ourselves from the prime minister we voted in to bomb two muslim countries - 'its got nothing to do with me, I didn't vote for him' - can't you see how hypocritical that is?

Thanks annoni mouse for your contribution, it's so nice to be agreeable with our fellow human beings, originality and unique personality spring to mind not

Kathythe bean you are not reading my thread, in my statement on the tram it has nothing to do with political correctness more that nobody said a word or even challenged the youths in case they reported that we might all be racists against them and their behaviour(the fear, act when others are attacked surely you must have witnessed occassions like this, where people are scared of their own skin incase they are next in line.

Yes, I have witnessed occasions where gangs of lads have been threatening and no-one has said anything in case they get attacked too.

Dunno what it has to do with whether their asian or not.

I am just concerned that certain minorities use the word "racist" to their advantage even when they are not the victims and probably say it's racially motivated or we were provokedand only responded to it

I'm not sure if you were saying my point was invalid, but the example you gave had nothing to do with political correctness and everything to do with peoples attitudes towards trouble - people are increasingly worried about what will happen to them if they cause trouble, with anyone, of any skin colour.

I'm not quite sure why; its one of the reasons that 'yobs are out of control' (apparently) - the few times that I've seen someone confront someone else over their behaviour (when they weren't involved), it was usually elderly people who were standing up to them. (bit of a random deviation, but nevermind)

Did you report it to the police? Did you report it to stagecoach? I'm sure that a tram full of witnesses would have helped, and most trams have CCTV.

This also happened a year ago as you say, if the world has gone PC mad, then surely you have some other examples (possibly more relevant).

Fine. But in my opinion, if one of you had stood up to them, and they had gone to the police and cried racism, the police would have laughed them out of Sheffield. Especially with so many witnesses and the tram conducter there.

what a load of old tosh.

I was attacked by a group of lads once. it just so happens that they were all white. So by your argument I should make some sort of stupid generalisation about all white people based on that.
The colour of the lads you are talking about is irrelevant, nobody did anything because they were scared of violence, not because they were scared of being called racist.
BTW - just like you can express your point, freedom of speech allows others to disagree.

Thanks annoni mouse for your contribution, it's so nice to be agreeable with our fellow human beings, originality and unique personality spring to mind not

OK,you've not many posts,so let me explain to you how an open forum such as this works.People post their opinions.Other people,depending on their view point and providing they stay within the rules of the website concerned,either post to agree,disagree or comment on said opinions.

Boroughgirl made an excellent comment regarding ex-pat Brits integrating abroad,comparing it with the difficulties other races have when settling in this country,which I agreed with.

As I couldn't think of anything sufficiently eloquent to add to her post,I merely added my agreement.Hence my post:thumbsup:

Thanks annoni mouse for your contribution, it's so nice to be agreeable with our fellow human beings, originality and unique personality spring to mind not

And thank you so much for failing to comment on my post, whilst critising others that did.

Bg or is that big girl i choose not to comment on your quotes as i donot agree with anything that you wrote, i am not ignoring just like anyone else i have the perogative to ignore like 550+ other people who have viewed but not commented.

However had you made any meaningful contribution to the debate ofcourse i wouls have made a remark or too, i don't like stereotypes.

Bg or is that big girl i choose not to comment on your quotes as i donot agree with anything that you wrote, i am not ignoring just like anyone else i have the perogative to ignore like 550+ other people who have viewed but not commented.

However had you made any meaningful contribution to the debate ofcourse i wouls have made a remark or too, i don't like stereotypes.

No,but you do like personal insults,you repulsive little troll:mad:

Bg or is that big girl i choose not to comment on your quotes as i donot agree with anything that you wrote, i am not ignoring just like anyone else i have the perogative to ignore like 550+ other people who have viewed but not commented.

However had you made any meaningful contribution to the debate ofcourse i wouls have made a remark or too, i don't like stereotypes.

Ignoring the fact that you feel you have to drop to the level of personal insults.

You don't think that the behaviour of brits living abroad is in any way relevant to a discussion about immigrants living in Britain?

especially given the wide ranging initial post, it seems relevant to a lot of what you have to say

I don't know about you but i am fed up with society and government telling people what they should and should not do.
I believe it definitely benefits the few and means at times one should pander to certain groups of people.
I was pleased recently that the government lost the vote on religious hatred as i disagreed with it.
I agree that smoking is bad and if people want to do it then do it out of halms way and not in other peoples air space.
My grandad and my father used to smoke in houses where i lived and we just put up with it until one day my mother had enough of it and my dad stopped.
Are we to presume that it is ok for minority groups to threaten with their banners when marching on the streets of our capital and yet we must be rebuked for similar action.
I'm affraid the tail is wagging the dog at present and i for one have had enough,if we lived in a foreign country wouldn't we have to obey their customs and laws of their land so why is it any different in the uk.
You only have one life and i believe in fighting for freedom and justice.
The continued occupation of Iraq and sponsoring this war says all we need to know about what is wrong with this government.

All in all, you're making a bit of an ar*e of yourself, aren't you.... :)

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