View Full Version : Rogders, prison suicide...Your views.


PaulTansley
27-02-2006, 11:30
He is the guy that shot his daughter and was due to stand trial next Monday.
He died over the weekend due to a hunger strike.
He has now avaided justice for his crime.
My view for what its worth is this is a tragic case for everyone concerned.
He has or had to live with what he had done and so has his wife and family.
He is no Huntley, or Shipman just a bloke who shot his own daughter for what ever reason.
Your views welcome please.

Rachylou
27-02-2006, 11:36
My veiw is that its a tragic case for his family' not for him the mans a coward and took the easy way out!

shoeshine
27-02-2006, 11:39
He is no Huntley, or Shipman just a bloke who shot his own daughter for what ever reason.

He has certainly evaded justice, and saved us all a fortune.

I hope you are not implying that one's daughter is fair game for an early death at the hands of "Daddy"............

Possibly your sympathies are slightly skewed this morning :confused:

metalman
27-02-2006, 11:41
Seems a very strange affair all round, and I can't help feeling there's a lot we don't know about it still, and quite possibly never will now.

PaulTansley
27-02-2006, 11:44
He has certainly evaded justice, and saved us all a fortune.

I hope you are not implying that one's daughter is fair game for an early death at the hands of "Daddy"............

Possibly your sympathies are slightly skewed this morning :confused:

Not at all Shoe, but there is a tragic twist to this murder, some guy has shot his daughter, why we don't know and that must have affected him badly.
Huntley knew what he was doing and the only remorse he would have felt was getting caught.
There is a difference in the two, maybe I can only see it.

Rachylou
27-02-2006, 11:49
Not at all Shoe, but there is a tragic twist to this murder, some guy has shot his daughter, why we don't know and that must have affected him badly.
Huntley knew what he was doing and the only remorse he would have felt was getting caught.
There is a difference in the two, maybe I can only see it.

its just that you make it sound like it shouldn't be as bad if you murder someone in your own family
The man took someones life and should be dealt with accordingly. I can't see any difference whether it was planned or not or family or not I get mad with my daughter but would never kill her. He was a murderer and thats it. In my eyes anyway.

shoeshine
27-02-2006, 11:54
This man was adjudged to be sane enough to stand trial. Hence the Hospital/Medical Staff were unauthorised to apply "Force Feeding"

He had been on various hunger strikes since Christmas 2004, culminating in this final result.

Unfortunately, Ian Brady is still sane enough to write to, and tormenting, the mother of one of his child victims, but is adjudged insane enough to qualify for "Forced Feeding", whilst showing no remorse.

Totally confusing, in my book.

My thoughts totally concur with yours, Racheylou.

PaulTansley
27-02-2006, 12:01
There are different degrees to murder.
I'm not saying he should not get what was coming because he is a murderer.
If you went to a house, got into a fight and shot him.
That is murder, and deserves prison.
Huntley goes and does what he did, no need to put the gory details on here but there is a different degree.

I do agree with you both, but there is tragic circumstances in this case even for the killer.

Twiglet
27-02-2006, 12:18
But this was his daughter, for whom he should have had unconditional love. It isn't a 'domestic' where a husband/wife has killed another in an argument, it was his own child. I'm sorry to say I'm glad he did it and saved the family the pain of a long drawn out trial followed by what would probably be far too short a sentence.

natzzz
27-02-2006, 12:22
I think I get what u mean cycle.

There was no way on earth tht what Huntley did was an accident, it was planned from start to finish!
Obviously we dont know all the facts about the man who shot his daughter, yes its the same crime (murder) but maybe there was an actual reason for him doing this!!

:huh: Think i may have confuddled myself now :huh:

*Turbo*
27-02-2006, 13:31
Well after reading about what type of person he is in the newspaper today i feel he has cheated the system. How he is adjudged to be sane amazes me:confused:

I know how i feel after i've missed one meal to lets hope he was in complete agony while starving himself:thumbsup:

icstaff
27-02-2006, 13:54
i knew chanel on a personal level my close family had her as a foster child with her two brothers colt and junior

she was a beautiful young woman who didnt deserve to be treated the way she was. i for one think that terry rodgers has just taken the easy way out and he is a complete coward - and eye for an eye and all that - good ridance

owdlad
27-02-2006, 14:09
i knew chanel on a personal level my close family had her as a foster child with her two brothers colt and junior

she was a beautiful young woman who didnt deserve to be treated the way she was. i for one think that terry rodgers has just taken the easy way out and he is a complete coward - and eye for an eye and all that - good ridance

Can you perhaps give us any idea as to why he killed her ?

I do agree with your last two words by the way.

PaulTansley
27-02-2006, 19:08
I also agree with all your comments, I'm not trying to make him a self pitying father who has lost his daughter but it is a tragic case all round.
I thought it was possible that someone who knows the family would read this as its close to home and hope nobody misreads my views.
I don't want to make this thread into a slanging thread because some disagree with others as this is a sensative subject but welcome all points of view whatever they think.

Keep them coming.

Kthebean
27-02-2006, 19:13
But this was his daughter, for whom he should have had unconditional love. It isn't a 'domestic' where a husband/wife has killed another in an argument, it was his own child. I'm sorry to say I'm glad he did it and saved the family the pain of a long drawn out trial followed by what would probably be far too short a sentence.

From what I read the wife and mother wanted him to go to trial for what he had done and thought this was the easy way out for him.

Rich
27-02-2006, 19:16
To me he took the cowardly way out by topping himself.

He shot his Daughter, he did the crime, he should've done the time for it... But no, he topped himself.

I do agree with that bloke who was on Jeremy Vine on the radio this morning though, the Prison service should not have allowed him to starve himself to death, even if that meant force feeding him.

Not sure about the bloke who said he was in favour of bringing back Capital punishment for murderers though, that opens up a whole different kettle of fish that should maybe be saved for another thread.

Kthebean
27-02-2006, 19:19
Its the law, rich, if someone is sane enough to understand that if they don't eat they will starve to death, they cannot be force fed.

Pauly
27-02-2006, 20:48
The full story is in the paper today. The guy was an awful control freak and after his wife walked out on him and escaped his control he apparently killed his daughter to ruin her life...and clearly he succeeded in doing this. He had a history of mental and physical abuse towards both his ex wife whom he attacked with a hammer and his current wife with whom he had his daughter. Now he's escaped justice by commiting suicide in prison. :mad: Apparently the mother is grief striken as anyone would be, by the loss of her daughter and escape of justice for her killer.

melthebell
27-02-2006, 21:07
i understand where cycleracers coming from

yes hes a murderer, his own daughter............for whatever reason, mustve been bad to make him do that.

but hes not your seriel killer, peado killer etc ..........running round killing loads of strangers, he had a reason, 1 reason and snapped

still
doesnt mean he shouldve
and yes he has evaded justice :(

melthebell
27-02-2006, 21:08
i understand where cycleracers coming from

yes hes a murderer, his own daughter............for whatever reason, mustve been bad to make him do that.

but hes not your seriel killer, peado killer etc ..........running round killing loads of strangers, he had a reason, 1 reason and snapped

still
doesnt mean he shouldve
and yes he has evaded justice :(

but its funny, they couldnt keep him alive but ian bradys been on a hunger strike for a lot longer, they manage to keep him, alive