beefcrisp
21-02-2006, 09:02
hey, I have recently (like, just!) got into chaos magick (the IOT, Peter J Carroll kind) and I'm wondering if there's like-minded people about in Sheffield who could help me develop my studies. Please private note me to get in touch :)
beefcrisp
22-02-2006, 12:29
hi, whats chaos magick?
Thats a good question! you can find out more about it at http://www.chaosmatrix.org
Phanerothyme
22-02-2006, 12:45
hmm might give this a shot, sounds like fun!
Thee Awful Invokation Ov Tzeentch
Tzeentch is a Chaos deity also known as the Changer Of The Ways, Lord Of Fortune And Intrigue, Master Of All Like Things Whether Petty Or Profound. In this sense, I would classify him as an Ouranian deity, so far as labels apply.
While typically portrayed as a male humanoid with a distorted shape and features including two faced tentacles protruding from his head like horns, I believe that form and/or gender would have no relevance for such an entity. In fact, I experienced feeling of gender flux during my invokations.
Worshippers of Tzeentch are portrayed as "going beyond simple Bacchic excess to such a loosening of moral and social restraints that they lose all consistency of personality and become cackling, drooling tear-strewn maniacs"- that applications of this form of unfettered consciousness in the undoing of fourth-circuit conditioning or ego-dissolution/shattering illusions will make themselves readily apparent.
Tzeentch can also help towards implementing workings for realization of buried/subconscious desires or exploring repressed/denied facets of consciousness. Tzeentch works quite well as an antidote to third-circuit "Pure Intellect" states, keeping the mind from getting in the way. The "sleep of reason" as it were. Especially nice for finding a synthesis for two formerly incompatible opposites. Tzeentch plays the Fool who overcomes the "rules" because he neither knows nor cares about them.
For entertainment purposes, one could call upon Tzeentch as a way of experiencing Chaos directly- pure, unpredictable, undirected and unrefined information- Factor X.
"His is the Wheel Of Fortune that spins and spins, carried by its own momentum, and stops...perhaps never."
Without further adieu, I bring you...
Thee Awful Invokation Ov Tzeentch
For starters, of course, of course, one must set up one's working area properly. Try to make the atmosphere as strange as possible- surrealist art (I used the Goose Game board from "Surrealist Games" as the center of my Circle), interesting musick (Glod, Psychick T.V.- the last half of "Al or Al" works nicely), multiple mismatched incenses burning at once, unfamiliar foods, silly (but not TOO silly!) costumes (the "Dada Almanac" has some nice inspirational material in it). Oddly-coloured lighting. Whatever works for you.
Next, Banish/center as you will- Zen it- no future or past, just the eternal NOW.
Open up your consciousness/charge up/induce gnosis. (Seething/shaking worked nicely for me).
Now here, I used a combination Chaosphere/Vortex to open up a point-doorway to the "Realm Ov Tzeentch" (whatever the freep that is) as the vortex whirled, I started spinning to match its frequency.
After you've become suitably zonked, proceed with the Invokation. I'd recommend writing one out as a framework and combining it with improv.
Here's one that I wrote:
"Ia Tzeentch!
Lord, we invoke thee
Changer Of The Ways
You who are inconsistent even in your inconsistency
Lord of the Butterfly Effect
Source of the Madness
Lord of the Perverse, the Devious, the Bizarre
Radiating the multicoloured fires of Kaos
Open the spiral doorway and allow us to bask in the raw derangement of your presence.
Ia! Ia! Ia TZEENTCH!
I am Tzeentch
I am fluid, malleable consciousness
I am the derangement that leads to Illumination
I am the whirling spiral power
I am pure, uncontrolled Mind
I am the force to which all thought must surrender
I am the God that shatters all illusions
I am both the madness of the moment and the scheming which directs history
I am the Impulse and the Idle Phantasy, Schemer's Plan and Plotter's Dream
I am the direction leading into...What???
Ia! Ia! Ia TZEENTCH!
(gradually collapse into raving incoherency)
Around this point, work towards opening up and absorbing Tzeentchian energy (pore-breathing worked for me), letting go and becoming one with Tzeentch. I also used hyperventilation and extended the Invokation with glossolalia.
I've applied Tzeentchian power towards Cut-Up Oracles, Automatic Drawing/Writing (regular and "Chaos Language"), the Surrealist Exquisite Corpse, Sex-Magick as well as the aforementioned uses. One interesting effect is what I call "Tzeentchian Fire"- weird, multi-coloured flame that appears in visualization as extruding from your/Tzeentch's body that one can sculpt into shapes and Servitors. Left alone, it tends to imitate the things around it. I once used it to create a body for Tzeentch to inhabit, turning an Invokation into an Evokation.
So far as rebanishing's concerned, it comes in handy but isn't entirely necessary. Sometimes he'll just up and go on his own (especially after sex-work- a good orgasm generally works quite nicely as payment). Of course, it does help to clear your head and ground yourself afterward.
Side-effect include strange, multi-coloured visions (I saw a Mayan temple once), odd voices saying strange things (once, I heard "The Smurfs?! What are they, squeezin' 'em?"- I still haven't figured that one out yet). Generally, things get a bit weird for a time.
Servitor:Pink Horrors Ov Tzeentch:
Appearing as a nasty-looking cartoonish head set upon a pair of spindly reptilian legs with matching arms ending in large hands with conical fingers spewing Tzeentchian Fire, the Pink Horror has a mischievous, maniacal demeanor- especially useful if you want to stir up trouble somewhere. One advantage of note is that if the Pink Horror is "killed" by somebody, it splits into two identical Blue Horrors- much the same as their predecessor except for their colour and personality-the latter of which is generally the opposite- more dour and miserable (which only goes to figure, if you think about it). I'd recommend including a subroutine so that they don't split if their creator kills them.
Bikertec
22-02-2006, 16:52
You need to speek to Moonmaiden or Dragon either should be ble to give you all the info you need.:thumbsup:
BrainThrust
22-02-2006, 16:55
Or Games Workshop, if you're going down Phan's route.
Wilf
Pingpang
28-02-2006, 00:29
Hi
The IOT do have folks in Sheffield
However, I don't know them personally
You'd most likely have to apply to the IOT to start training, and after you've got thru the first six months or a year (?) you might get to meet some local chaos heads
:love: :hihi: :D
DragonofAna
24-03-2006, 09:11
I am not affiliated with any chaos group in sheffield or anywhere else. The 'lessons' these people appear to offer are at best contradictory and go against common sense. The best method of adhering to any manner of chaos magik is that in magik anything can and will happen no matter what precautions are taken. Thus there are two methods to deal with this. One involves using that actual chaos element in order to bring about the change that is desired, and the other is to apply as many limiting factors to the chaotic elements in order to allow as little leeway as possible when a spell is cast.
When using magik the more elements that are added the greater the involvement of chaos in the final outcome. This does not mean that fewer elements means less chaos. what it does mean is that the effects are restricted.
For many people this may not make sense and even for the practiced it can be somewhat confusing. Chaos is what runs the universe. Everything is chaotic, but in a structured sort of way. This is demonstrated by the law that even chaos adheres to in that you can always rely on variations between two identical spells. If I draw a circle, and then draw a second that is a perfect duplicate, it will still differ in the time frame used to construct each.
Just don't get me started on chaos magik. I can ramble for ages.
Want to learn basics and such - do a search on google, but please remember that most of what you read is tosh. Most magik works that people rely on originate from the hands of a few such as waite, crowley, mathers and a couple of others.
Do as thou wilt.
Dragon
I would recommend Phil Hine's books as a starting point as his stuff is very accessible and well informed. His 'Condensed Chaos' is very useful as is his website. Also read Liber Null & Psychonaut by Peter Carroll. And obviously Aleister Crowley, Austin Osman Spare, Ray Sherwin, Dave Lee.
Training for IOT entry is for a minimum of 6 months. You can register interest at their website.
Hope this helps