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He has publicly said a while back that he would love to play for Manchester United, and I'm thinking if its possible.. bring him in.

Now- we need more players in midfield very true.

However, I think we should play a more attacking side in order to get back to something like we used to be.

How about this for an attack- RVN, Ronaldo and Rooney behind them.
Thats a dream team right there.. and I would like to see it.

I dont want to see him at Chelski- in fact- I would dread seeing him line up against us again.. I remember him tearing us to bits in the CL not while back.
The guy was unstoppable that night.

I don't see a lot wrong with RVN and Rooney to be honest ANGELUS. If i were a ManU fan i would prefer the money went on a world class midfielder or two.

I don't see a lot wrong with RVN and Rooney to be honest ANGELUS. If i were a ManU fan i would prefer the money went on a world class midfielder or two.

Agreed with the midfielders- but those 3 up front!

Can you imagine- those front 3 running at you with ronaldo and park on the wings... most defences would crap themselves.

It would be no good if the three up front couldn't get the ball because it had been lost in central midfield though ;)

I agree that those three running at any defence would be quite a sight though 8) Whether it will ever come to be is debatable though. I doubt AF would play them all together anyway :?

Unless we went with a fixed 4-3-3 but I cant see fergie doing it myself.
We'd need one hell of a holding DM/CM to sort the midfield out in doing this- I still think gattuso would do that job nicely.

Pity though because Ronaldo would be a great asset for us.

What happened to Ballack? I thought he was on his way to ManU at the end of the season?

Hopefully, fergie has been telling porkie fibs and Ballack will be joining us in the summer.

I can see it being down to us, Juve and Real for him.

I wouldn't touch Ronaldo with a barge pole! He looks like a bacon pig to me.
Noticeable how Real Madrid have improved this year with Ronaldo and the world-weary Figo having moved on.

lets face it, ronaldo will not be coming to england never mind man united.

he would be an asset to ANY team in the world....wonder if we could tempt him to the lane :hihi:

doubt he'd dare go to bumhole lane!

with stars such as Wayne Allison (big gay bear & anklebar tash to match)
Alan Cork (santa) & Brian Deane. I dare say he wouldn't want to live in their shadow.

just imagine though, Ronaldo and Bruce dyer in the same line up.. deary me!

Agreed with the midfielders- but those 3 up front!

Can you imagine- those front 3 running at you with ronaldo and park on the wings... most defences would crap themselves.
Don't give up your day job!!!

Mate- i think you match against liverpool on saturday showed that no matter what quality you have upfront - if you don't win the ball in midfield you won't win games.

Liverpool won the game on saturday because hamann bullied your central midfielders and won every ball in that area- effictively cutting off RVN and rooney.

Mate- i think you match against liverpool on saturday showed that no matter what quality you have upfront - if you don't win the ball in midfield you won't win games.

Liverpool won the game on saturday because hamann bullied your central midfielders and won every ball in that area- effictively cutting off RVN and rooney.

Agreed with the midfield point..
It seems as though, if teams snuff out our midfield- we can be beat easily.

Hamann bullied your central midfielders
What central midfielders? :)
We had Giggs and Fletcher at CM- my 90 year old nan could have shoved both of them off the ball :hihi:

Don't give up your day job!!!

I'll try not to :)

If it was Ronaldo from 4 years ago I'd say he was a great signing.

Unfortunately, he's getting old and fat, and while he is still class, Man Utd have got two brilliant strikers in Rooney and Van Nistelrooy. Saha is class too, when fit.

I still reckon we should be in for him if he eventually wants to leave Real.

It would give us a lot more attacking firepower but I would take a fat old Ronaldo over Saha to be honest :)

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This must be an early April Fool's joke?

He would never come to England cos it's too cold and he, like many other footballers, is an overpaid nancy boy.

Ronaldo, RVN and Rooney - it's like a Championship Manager team :)

I'd love to see him come to England but only to watch him on Match of the Day - wouldn't be too keen on watching him running rings round us :)

Maybe the Mancs could swap the fake keepy-uppy queen for the real Ronaldo. ;)

What, a fat has been for someone who, whilst he used to be more show than substance, has recently hit form and is turning it into goals?

What, a fat has been for someone who, whilst he used to be more show than substance, has recently hit form and is turning it into goals?

Ronaldo, a has been?

This is the same guy who destroyed us single handedly a few years back or have you forgot about the fact he handed our collective ass to us on a plate that night at OT?

Because I havent- and I remember the standing ovation our fans gave him that night as well.
Or the fact that he has played in the biggest matches in the world- the world cup finals and been the star of the show, and also the fact that he was voted worlds best player a couple of years back... but you'd still take Saha?

I question your and other peoples logic and state of mind sometimes I really do.

Saha or Ronaldo- fergie would snap Ronaldo's hand off in a second to get him on board.

Ronaldo, a has been?

This is the same guy who destroyed us single handedly a few years back or have you forgot about the fact he handed our collective ass to us on a plate that night at OT?

Because I havent- and I remember the standing ovation our fans gave him that night as well.
Or the fact that he has played in the biggest matches in the world- the world cup finals and been the star of the show, and also the fact that he was voted worlds best player a couple of years back... but you'd still take Saha?

I question your and other peoples logic and state of mind sometimes I really do.

Saha or Ronaldo- fergie would snap Ronaldo's hand off in a second to get him on board.

Ronaldo is on his way out at the highest level.
He would be a bad buy. His physical condition is questionable.
How can you say he is not a has been and refer to a performance three years ago??
That doesnt make sense.

[QUOTE=ANGELUS]Ronaldo, a has been?


Because I havent- and I remember the standing ovation our fans gave him that night as well.

Erm Angelus, yes WE did give him a standing ovation that night.
I doubt he heard you though from your armchair!

Ronaldo, a has been?

This is the same guy who destroyed us single handedly a few years back or have you forgot about the fact he handed our collective ass to us on a plate that night at OT?

Because I havent- and I remember the standing ovation our fans gave him that night as well.
Or the fact that he has played in the biggest matches in the world- the world cup finals and been the star of the show, and also the fact that he was voted worlds best player a couple of years back... but you'd still take Saha?

I question your and other peoples logic and state of mind sometimes I really do.

Saha or Ronaldo- fergie would snap Ronaldo's hand off in a second to get him on board.

And by the way Angelus, I was not talking about Saha!
The prev post compared Ronaldo to "fake keepy uppy" ronaldo, ie Cristiano.
I never said anything about Saha. Read it again!

OK I'm back after watching Supernatural- now back to business.

At the risk of upsetting your superior intelligence my friend I would like to make the following comments :)

Ronaldo is on his way out at the highest level.
He would be a bad buy. His physical condition is questionable.
How can you say he is not a has been and refer to a performance three years ago??
That doesnt make sense.

Just because Ronaldo is having a bad season, why is everyone making out that he is over the hill and past it because I sure havent- in fact I'm pretty sure he will be near the top of the goalscorer charts in the world cup- roll on may to prove this point.

Maybe he is not physically the best at the moment, but I'm sure he will be back to normal around may time, and I'm sure it has something to do with being unhappy in spain that could be causing that- have you thought of that?

He aint finished yet- mark my words.

Erm Angelus, yes WE did give him a standing ovation that night.
I doubt he heard you though from your armchair!

:hihi: I wondered when we were going to go back to the armchair fan comments! Yep, I dont go to matches and I've been honest and truthfull about it.. and... the fact still remains, and this is the part that upsets most people, that an armchair fan- such as myself knows more about the beautiful game than most 'normal out-there-at-the-match' football fans including you.
And dont you just hate that :thumbsup:
Back to you matey!

And by the way Angelus, I was not talking about Saha!
The prev post compared Ronaldo to "fake keepy uppy" ronaldo, ie Cristiano.
I never said anything about Saha. Read it again!

This part baffled me.
Why would you compare a striker ie: Ronaldo with a winger ie: Cristiano?
I'm baffled... because you said
What, a fat has been for someone who, whilst he used to be more show than substance, has recently hit form and is turning it into goals?

Why would I be comparing a stiker to a winger?
Does not make any sense Guderian.. explanation?

Maybe the Mancs could swap the fake keepy-uppy queen for the real Ronaldo. ;)


Angelus, I was answering this post!!
Fake keep uppy queen = Cristiano Ronaldo (I think this is what Cath meant)
I said how can you compare a fat has been (Madrid Ronaldo) with someone who has been turning out goals recently (Cristiano - 5 goals recently)

Simple!

Regards Real Madrid Ronaldo - I agree with Fergusons policy of not buying oldies. Especially not fat ones.
He is still a very good player, but its economic madness to splash out on someone on a downward spiral.
Someone like Torres has youth on his side, and this would make far more sense.

Angelus, I was answering this post!!
Fake keep uppy queen = Cristiano Ronaldo (I think this is what Cath meant)
I said how can you compare a fat has been (Madrid Ronaldo) with someone who has been turning out goals recently (Cristiano - 5 goals recently)

That'll teach me to wade in with a flippant comment!
Yup, that's what I meant but I'll agree with you that Cristiano is now looking like a much improved keepy-uppy queen who is learning to dictate play rather well.
Don't think the Galactico one would be suited to the prem. a great player yes, but with his best days behind him and his pace failing he could end up like, er, dare I say it, Morientes.

See the Chavs have bought up Ballack so you guys'll have to look elsewhere for a midfield. Have you thought of adding to your Scouse contingent and looking towards Nolan & Barton?

I agree with Fergusons policy of not buying oldies. Especially not fat ones.

So- you dont like Edwin Van Der Sar then?
You didnt like Laurent Blanc?

Still not making sense mate- also Ronaldo might be depressed in spain, I'm sure we will see a better player at the world cup.

See the Chavs have bought up Ballack so you guys'll have to look elsewhere for a midfield. Have you thought of adding to your Scouse contingent and looking towards Nolan & Barton?

Ballack as far as I'm aware has not signed for anyone yet so we might still be in for him, but this week will tell as he is due to make a decision anytime now.

Nolan & Barton- no thanks for me :hihi:
I'd prefer 1/2 world class midfielders in our side now ie; Gattuso

So- you dont like Edwin Van Der Sar then?
You didnt like Laurent Blanc?

Still not making sense mate- also Ronaldo might be depressed in spain, I'm sure we will see a better player at the world cup.

Laurent Blanc was abysmal for us. Very composed on the ball but he ran more slowly than I walk.
Totally unsuited to the Premiership.
Age is not so relevant for keepers. You know that.

Ballack as far as I'm aware has not signed for anyone yet so we might still be in for him, but this week will tell as he is due to make a decision anytime now.

Nolan & Barton- no thanks for me :hihi:
I'd prefer 1/2 world class midfielders in our side now ie; Gattuso

You should take up residence on Fantasy Island...........

Back to the Ronaldo business again.....

He's not a has-been, but his career is definitelt on the slide. Man Utd don't really need him, though he would probably bang in a fair few goals and sell bucket loads of shirts.

If they are going to challenge Chelsea (and possibly even Liverpool soon) for the title though, Man Utd desperately need 2 great central midfielders and a left winger. Sorry, but Ji Sung Park isn't that good, and Fletcher is average too.

[QUOTE=ANGELUS]also Ronaldo might be depressed in spainQUOTE]

mm..it must be terribly depressing living in one of the most amazing cities in the world, fantastic weather, amazing culture, endless money, lovely women ..I know..let's suggest a move to sunny Manchester..that's bound to cheer him up no end!!!

Laurent Blanc was abysmal for us. Very composed on the ball but he ran more slowly than I walk.
Totally unsuited to the Premiership.
Age is not so relevant for keepers. You know that.

Blanc was not bad for us, sure he had the occasional crap game.. but overall for me he was a decent squad player for us.

'Totally unsuited to the premiership'
The guy was a world cup winner FFS!
What more do you want?

Age is not relevant for keepers, sure I know that but as you said before 'you agree with fergie's policy on not buying old' which with that comment in mind- you dont like Van Der Saars signing if you actually believe in the comment you made :hihi:

Feel free to backtrack when you like :thumbsup:

You should take up residence on Fantasy Island...........

Go on then, so who would you like to see in our midfield?

Why should we not be aiming for world class players who would greatly improve our team overnight.

I do hope you are not condoning the potential signing of Nolan - or god forbid - Joey Barton for our club because if you are quit supporting us mate.
Seriously!

Back to the Ronaldo business again.....

He's not a has-been, but his career is definitelt on the slide. Man Utd don't really need him, though he would probably bang in a fair few goals and sell bucket loads of shirts.

If they are going to challenge Chelsea (and possibly even Liverpool soon) for the title though, Man Utd desperately need 2 great central midfielders and a left winger. Sorry, but Ji Sung Park isn't that good, and Fletcher is average too.

We will all see at the world cup- just remember who was backing Ronaldo on this forum though as I will be watching with interest and you just know I will be posting my glee at you all being wrong :)

We need to challenge chelski agreed- buy bringing in proven class players the level ronaldo has hit.. if chelski get him in.. we can definitely kiss goodby for the premiership title for the next couple of years.

Liverpool- people are starting to believe the media.. sillies :)
They are doing well granted
They are not back to their former glory and they never will be
Last season was a fluke
Lets move on now shall we peeps?

Ji Sung is a good squad player and I hope will get the chances he deserves, and as for Darren- hopefully he will be hitting the exit door this summer.
He aint good enough.

[QUOTE=ANGELUS]also Ronaldo might be depressed in spainQUOTE]

mm..it must be terribly depressing living in one of the most amazing cities in the world, fantastic weather, amazing culture, endless money, lovely women ..I know..let's suggest a move to sunny Manchester..that's bound to cheer him up no end!!!

All that and the fact that he gets racially abused nearly every game...
Hmmm must love that eh surely!

There is more factors you have not taken into consideration why his game is in a slump at the moment- he is obviously not enjoying himself in Madrid at the moment and so on that fact he will be moving on in the summer and probably after the world cup.

He also loves Manchester Utd by the way and he has already said he would love to play for us in the future... hopefully this will become so in the not too distant future.

If it means changing the system slightly to accomodate him in- with a Ruud, Ronaldo and Rooney attacking lineup.. then I will be very happy.

[QUOTE=wibbles]


He also loves Manchester Utd by the way and he has already said he would love to play for us in the future... hopefully this will become so in the not too distant future.



You keep mentioning all these players that 'love' manchester united or have expressed a so called ambition to play at old stratford yet none of them sign for you.
When did ronaldo mention this to you by the way??

Blanc was not bad for us, sure he had the occasional crap game.. but overall for me he was a decent squad player for us.

'Totally unsuited to the premiership'
The guy was a world cup winner FFS!
What more do you want?

Age is not relevant for keepers, sure I know that but as you said before 'you agree with fergie's policy on not buying old' which with that comment in mind- you dont like Van Der Saars signing if you actually believe in the comment you made :hihi:

Feel free to backtrack when you like :thumbsup:

Laurent Blanc was indeed a World Cup Winner.
So was Kleberson, Roque Junior (!!!!!!) and Gilberto I think (hardly pulling up trees at Highbury).
Blanc was a classy player, I admit that.
But he was UNSUITED to the pace of the Premiership, especially at the age we signed him.
Who here agrees with Angelus that Blanc was quality for United?

Secondly, you go on about superstars all the time. I know you have never been to Manchester, but take a look at the weather.
It does have an impact when we try to compete with Real and Barcelona.
From now on Angelus, I am going to call you "Florentino Perez"!!!!!!!!
You have his mindset, and look how he has ended up.

In addition Angelus, you say Blanc was quality.
yet on the Carling Cup thread you say after Stam was forced out we we "*****" in defence for ages.
Blanc was Stams replacement.

hmmmmmmmmm.......

I think that Blanc was a very good signing for Manure, He provided many hours of top notch entertainment. He fits straight into my Manure all time top xi along with the likes of Djemba Djemba, Kleberson, Bellion, Chadwick, Forlan, Silvestre, Saha, Fletcher, O'Shea and last but not least the one and only Massimo Tiabi.

I think that Blanc was a very good signing for Manure, He provided many hours of top notch entertainment. He fits straight into my Manure all time top xi along with the likes of Djemba Djemba, Kleberson, Bellion, Chadwick, Forlan, Silvestre, Saha, Fletcher, O'Shea and last but not least the one and only Massimo Tiabi.
I have a feeling you may be able to add Vidic to that.

I have a feeling you may be able to add Vidic to that.

Thats cobblers. We'll talk again about that one.
Evra perhaps...

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He has publicly said a while back that he would love to play for Manchester United, and I'm thinking if its possible.. bring him in.

Now- we need more players in midfield very true.

However, I think we should play a more attacking side in order to get back to something like we used to be.

How about this for an attack- RVN, Ronaldo and Rooney behind them.
Thats a dream team right there.. and I would like to see it.

I dont want to see him at Chelski- in fact- I would dread seeing him line up against us again.. I remember him tearing us to bits in the CL not while back.
The guy was unstoppable that night.

It's not Man U that he's interested in joining, he has heard that Wednesday are looking for a striker. These tablets don't seem to be working -------------

Laurent Blanc was indeed a World Cup Winner.
So was Kleberson, Roque Junior (!!!!!!) and Gilberto I think (hardly pulling up trees at Highbury).
Blanc was a classy player, I admit that.
But he was UNSUITED to the pace of the Premiership, especially at the age we signed him.
Who here agrees with Angelus that Blanc was quality for United?

Secondly, you go on about superstars all the time. I know you have never been to Manchester, but take a look at the weather.
It does have an impact when we try to compete with Real and Barcelona.
From now on Angelus, I am going to call you "Florentino Perez"!!!!!!!!
You have his mindset, and look how he has ended up.

So now you are putting one of the legends of the modern game into a bracket with lesser quality players such as Roque Junior, Kleberson and Gilberto... all three of them were crap.. Blanc did well for us under the circumstances.
He was never going to replace Jaap and I didnt expect him to given his age.

The superstar issue- yes I know what the weather is like in manchester cheers after many fine visits to the place.

Yes the weather is better in spain granted, but then again so is the money which is the major pull.. not the weather- you should know this.

I would like to be called Perez- I wouldnt mind, because with him at the club- he managed to attract many of the worlds best players at the time which we are still failing to do with ferguson at the helm.
Also at this time of his leaving- he has also managed to steer Real past us financially as well.. so yes.. go right ahead and call me it- I would thank you :thumbsup: Try again..

In addition Angelus, you say Blanc was quality.
yet on the Carling Cup thread you say after Stam was forced out we we "*****" in defence for ages.
Blanc was Stams replacement.

hmmmmmmmmm.......

But, did I ever say that Blanc was better than Stam?
No siree...

Blanc was good, Stam was for me one of the best defenders I've ever seen in a red shirt.

Our defence went the way of the pear when Jaap went.. Blanc cant hold it together himself due to his age.

Anyway- back to the original topic about Ronaldo at Real.
He scored last night for Brazil and won the match for them against Russia.

He is still my prediction for the top goalscorer at the world cup.

So now you are putting one of the legends of the modern game into a bracket with lesser quality players such as Roque Junior, Kleberson and Gilberto... all three of them were crap.. Blanc did well for us under the circumstances.
He was never going to replace Jaap and I didnt expect him to given his age.

The superstar issue- yes I know what the weather is like in manchester cheers after many fine visits to the place.

Yes the weather is better in spain granted, but then again so is the money which is the major pull.. not the weather- you should know this.

I would like to be called Perez- I wouldnt mind, because with him at the club- he managed to attract many of the worlds best players at the time which we are still failing to do with ferguson at the helm.
Also at this time of his leaving- he has also managed to steer Real past us financially as well.. so yes.. go right ahead and call me it- I would thank you :thumbsup: Try again..

I think you will find the money in England is as good, if not better than Spain.

So now you are putting one of the legends of the modern game into a bracket with lesser quality players such as Roque Junior, Kleberson and Gilberto... all three of them were crap.. Blanc did well for us under the circumstances.
He was never going to replace Jaap and I didnt expect him to given his age.

The superstar issue- yes I know what the weather is like in manchester cheers after many fine visits to the place.

Yes the weather is better in spain granted, but then again so is the money which is the major pull.. not the weather- you should know this.

I would like to be called Perez- I wouldnt mind, because with him at the club- he managed to attract many of the worlds best players at the time which we are still failing to do with ferguson at the helm.
Also at this time of his leaving- he has also managed to steer Real past us financially as well.. so yes.. go right ahead and call me it- I would thank you :thumbsup: Try again..

Perez has steered that club into the doldrums. He had no idea about team building. And i dont think you have.
Its not just about grabbing any big money signings like you advocate.
I hate Pool, but Benitez has the right idea. He is building a side up slowly.
Hopefully Real will snatch him.

I think you will find the money in England is as good, if not better than Spain.

Sorry I disagree with you here as well :)

Players have a god like status in spain especially with their buy out clauses boosting the ego's even more.

Angelus, you dont win an argument by simply saying
"I have won" or "try again".
Its childish. Independent advisors will tell you thats a classic case of someone being battered.

Perez has steered that club into the doldrums. He had no idea about team building. And i dont think you have.
Its not just about grabbing any big money signings like you advocate.
I hate Pool, but Benitez has the right idea. He is building a side up slowly.
Hopefully Real will snatch him.

Perez steered Real into becoming the biggest team in the world with him backing the club with world class signings, and its paid off although now they need to rebuild again but I'm sure they will do that anyway.

Team Building is quite easy- if you buy decent proven players, you get results.
Simple as that- and thats the lines we need to go down now.
We dont need any more ****e quality players or squad playes- we need proven world class and if that means bankrolling Ballack and Gattuso- we should do it.

Benitez is doing well- but when will they be classed as the best in the world?
They wont- they are simply not strong enough now and I cant see them overtaking us and the likes of Juve, Barcelona and Real anytime soon.

The only player at Liverpool I would have in my team is Stevie G as he is what is keeping the team going- without him in the team, liverpool are nowt.

I'd be surprised if Real dont go for a high profile manager- ie: Sven or possible Arsene Wenger, failing them- Hiddink, Hitzfeld or another proven manager.
Maybe Capello??

Apart from the first few tears of his reign, Real under Perez was a disaster. The galactico policy doesn't work, and he should never have sacked Del Bosque. In recent years, Real have had less success than Man Utd, so what does it matter that they are now the richest club?

Ronaldo is still good, and will no doubt have a good world cup, but all Man Utd could hope to get out of him is 2-3 seasons. For the money it would cost to prise him away, what sense does it make to buy a player who is nearing the end of his career?

Angelus, you dont win an argument by simply saying
"I have won" or "try again".
Its childish. Independent advisors will tell you thats a classic case of someone being battered.

Because you came up with another spout of pure crap- about Perez not doing a good job at Real and tried again in vain to make me look stupid, I added try again for you to try and come up with something that makes a bit more sense than trying to have a go at someone who has made Real world beaters again??

You are wrong again mate- but feel free to come up with something else with a bit more substance behind it and I might agree with you :)

Perez steered Real into becoming the biggest team in the world with him backing the club with world class signings, and its paid off although now they need to rebuild again but I'm sure they will do that anyway.

It hasn't paid off. Real have had little succes since Del Bosque was sacked.

Team Building is quite easy- if you buy decent proven players, you get results.
Simple as that- and thats the lines we need to go down now

It hasn't worked for Real Madrid, Inter Milan etc etc. There's more to a team than buying world class players, something that Mourinho, Wenger, Benitez and Ferguson know very well.

Benitez is doing well- but when will they be classed as the best in the world?
They wont- they are simply not strong enough now and I cant see them overtaking us and the likes of Juve, Barcelona and Real anytime soon.

They've already won the European Cup under Benitez. I know this doesn't automatically make them best team in the world, but they're at least heading in the right direction.

The only player at Liverpool I would have in my team is Stevie G as he is what is keeping the team going- without him in the team, liverpool are nowt.

Liverpool are more than just Gerrard. Benitez has them playing well as a TEAM (most of the time!). Liverpools midfield is superior to Man Utd's, Kewell would be a good addition, as would Sissoko. United have the advantage in attack, and probably defence too, though Carragher wouldn't look out of place in Man Utd's squad either.

I'd be surprised if Real dont go for a high profile manager- ie: Sven or possible Arsene Wenger, failing them- Hiddink, Hitzfeld or another proven manager.
Maybe Capello??

I cant imagine Wenger going to Real, and I doubt Capello would go back there either. Sven possibly, but they can pretty much pick and choose so who knows....

Apart from the first few tears of his reign, Real under Perez was a disaster. The galactico policy doesn't work, and he should never have sacked Del Bosque. In recent years, Real have had less success than Man Utd, so what does it matter that they are now the richest club?

Ronaldo is still good, and will no doubt have a good world cup, but all Man Utd could hope to get out of him is 2-3 seasons. For the money it would cost to prise him away, what sense does it make to buy a player who is nearing the end of his career?

Real under Perez was a disaster??

I think the 'fans' on this forum need to look further afield than the UK and stop reading the papers for the non-football side of football.

Perez has successfully aquired, Zidane, Figo, Ronaldo, Robinho, Beckham and a lot more quality signings.

He made them into world beaters yet again.

The galactico policy does work although they need to focus on strengthening the parts of the team which need it most ie: Defence and Midfield rather than buying strikers all the time.

Also- the managers should run the team properly, as I'm sure its not Perez running the playing side of it as well.

Ronaldo having 2-3 seasons at best?
He is 29 mate- he's got at least 4-5 seasons minimum if he keeps fit and keeps at it and it depends on how much they want for him as well in regards to us getting him.

Because you came up with another spout of pure crap- about Perez not doing a good job at Real and tried again in vain to make me look stupid, I added try again for you to try and come up with something that makes a bit more sense than trying to have a go at someone who has made Real world beaters again??

You are wrong again mate- but feel free to come up with something else with a bit more substance behind it and I might agree with you :)

Perez had led Real down the garden path. They may be the richerst club in the world, but they are possibly not even the 2nd best team in spain and not in the worlds top 5.
Angelus, my work mates are laughing at your foolish views even now.
They thank you for brightening up their day.

Because you came up with another spout of pure crap- about Perez not doing a good job at Real

He HASN'T done a great job at Real, what are you talking about? Real have an ageing squad of players that look odds on to go out of the champions league at the first knockout stage, and have no chance of winning the league for the second succesive year.

It hasn't paid off. Real have had little succes since Del Bosque was sacked.

They needed to start looking into replacing the older players like we needed to a few years ago when we started on the slide.. its catching up with them now as well although Real can quite easily replace the players being who they are.


It hasn't worked for Real Madrid, Inter Milan etc etc. There's more to a team than buying world class players, something that Mourinho, Wenger, Benitez and Ferguson know very well.

I disagree- Real had a team nearly full of world class, Inter have 1-2 players who I would deem world class... Mourinho has in many people's eyes (apart from mine) 2 world class players allegedly in Terry and Lampard,



They've already won the European Cup under Benitez. I know this doesn't automatically make them best team in the world, but they're at least heading in the right direction.



Liverpool are more than just Gerrard. Benitez has them playing well as a TEAM (most of the time!). Liverpools midfield is superior to Man Utd's, Kewell would be a good addition, as would Sissoko. United have the advantage in attack, and probably defence too, though Carragher wouldn't look out of place in Man Utd's squad either.



I cant imagine Wenger going to Real, and I doubt Capello would go back there either. Sven possibly, but they can pretty much pick and choose so who knows....[/QUOTE]

Madrid are pants. All thanks to Perez. Perhaps he was a commercial success, but as for on the pitch - no sir.

It hasn't paid off. Real have had little succes since Del Bosque was sacked.

They needed to start looking into replacing the older players like we needed to a few years ago when we started on the slide.. its catching up with them now as well although Real can quite easily replace the players being who they are.


It hasn't worked for Real Madrid, Inter Milan etc etc. There's more to a team than buying world class players, something that Mourinho, Wenger, Benitez and Ferguson know very well.

I disagree- Real had a team nearly full of world class, Inter have 1-2 players who I would deem world class... Mourinho has in many people's eyes (apart from mine) 2 world class players allegedly in Terry and Lampard, Wenger has one in Henry, Benitez has one in Gerrard and we have- 3 at the minute with Ruud, Rooney and Ronaldo.

Real filled the team with class proven players and it started to pay off for them when zidane and figo came in especially.

They've already won the European Cup under Benitez. I know this doesn't automatically make them best team in the world, but they're at least heading in the right direction.

Yup- but they have to do the same again this season to prove it was not a fluke last season which it was.

Liverpool are more than just Gerrard. Benitez has them playing well as a TEAM (most of the time!). Liverpools midfield is superior to Man Utd's, Kewell would be a good addition, as would Sissoko. United have the advantage in attack, and probably defence too, though Carragher wouldn't look out of place in Man Utd's squad either.

Benitez has done well at 'Pool agreed- although your comment about Kewell made me laugh and question your judgment on players as well mate.. he has been ****e all season and last season, up until this month.
Sissoko- I like the look of him although I think he can sometimes act a bit rashly though sometimes but I think he will come good under Benitez.

Our attack and defence are way better than liverpools but I wouldnt consider Carragher a first teamer in our squad, maybe more a squad player but never a first teamer.


I cant imagine Wenger going to Real, and I doubt Capello would go back there either. Sven possibly, but they can pretty much pick and choose so who knows....

I can at the minute see Wenger going in the summer if this crap run at arsenal keeps up- he made a right cockup selling Vieira and not replacing him.
Capello I think would go back if the conditions were right and I think Sven will go for the big paycheck he would pick up.

They can also pick and choose so I can see a quality manager appearing shortly.

Real under Perez was a disaster??
Perez has successfully aquired, Zidane, Figo, Ronaldo, Robinho, Beckham and a lot more quality signings.

He made them into world beaters yet again.

Zidane; way past his best. Figo; not their any more. Ronaldo; still good. Robinho; hardly setting La Liga on fire is he? Beckham; still a brilliant crosser.

Real Madrid have won NOTHING since 2003. How does this make them world beaters?


The galactico policy does work although they need to focus on strengthening the parts of the team which need it most ie: Defence and Midfield rather than buying strikers all the time..

It DOESN'T work! Under Del Bosque they had a good team with a few world class players that fit his system. Now they have a couple of world class players and a few good ones, but they don't play well together. There's a really good article on BBC website about this, http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/4759094.stm

Zidane; way past his best. Figo; not their any more. Ronaldo; still good. Robinho; hardly setting La Liga on fire is he? Beckham; still a brilliant crosser.

Real Madrid have won NOTHING since 2003. How does this make them world beaters?

We are looking at the whole Perez generation as a whole- not just the past couple of years... look at the big picture since he has been there.

But they have won nowt since 2003 - true.


It DOESN'T work! Under Del Bosque they had a good team with a few world class players that fit his system. Now they have a couple of world class players and a few good ones, but they don't play well together. There's a really good article on BBC website about this, http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/4759094.stm

Because the world class ones now are getting on and they have not replaced them successfully with quality younger replacements which I think they are hankering at doing this summer- so watch this space.

The younger ones that have been brought it- need time to adjust and develop such as Robinho who I can see big things of in a few years time.

I don't think I've ever talked with someone as clueless as you when it comes to football. I'm absolutely lost for words!

Madrid are pants. All thanks to Perez. Perhaps he was a commercial success, but as for on the pitch - no sir.

Since he has been there, they have been a success especially with the 'galactico' era a few years back leading to them going a bit downhill since agreed- however- they are a more commercial success than us at the moment which is a big thing considering we have been number.1 for many years- so to top us is a big step for them.

All they need to do is bring in another world class manager and replace 3-5 players and they are top of the tree again.

We are looking at the whole Perez generation as a whole- not just the past couple of years... look at the big picture since he has been there. years time.

You're missing the point. Forget Perez for one moment, Del Bosque forged a great TEAM, and had a few world class players that fit his system.

Since, Perez has tried in vain to buy success. It clearly hasn't worked.

Been there Gypo.

Bravo (at Real Madrid) said the other day there were far too many egos at Real, and that a lot of the players dont even get on.
Adopting the policy that Perez did leaves you open to this.
As opposed to Ferguson grooming pals like Beckham, Neville, Scholes etc.
They fought for each other. A team of Galacticos would never do that.

I don't think I've ever talked with someone as clueless as you when it comes to football. I'm absolutely absolutely lost for words!

I think that most of the time when talking to most of you all in here to be honest :hihi:

Its like Stephen Hawking talking to a group of 10 year olds that think that english football is the best in the world.

I've got guderian in one breath telling me that Man Utd shouldnt buy oldies- despite the fact that Sheringham played a part in winning the CL for us and also Edwin Van Der Saar is the best keeper we have had in years.

And now I have got you Gypo moaning that Real were never successfull under Perez management of the club....

Its laughable the quality of all your views it really is :)

I think that most of the time when talking to most of you all in here to be honest :hihi:

Its like Stephen Hawking talking to a group of 10 year olds that think that english football is the best in the world.

Angelus, MOST people disagree with you. MOST of the time.

Go figure.

Angelus, you obviously haven't got a clue what you are talking about.

As for saying we think English football is best in the world, who said that?

You're missing the point. Forget Perez for one moment, Del Bosque forged a great TEAM, and had a few world class players that fit his system.

Since, Perez has tried in vain to buy success. It clearly hasn't worked.

Frig me- how many times...

Del Bosque is a manager- Perez is a president of the club or was.
Perez DOES NOT control the team.

Del Bosque comes to Perez and says I need this this and this.
Perez goes yup- here you go Del Bosque.

SO boys and girls- Perez had some part to play in Del Bosque's vision of grandeur didnt he.

Jesus- I need a lie down.... my head is hurting..
Anything else that needs explaining to you all?

And now I have got you Gypo moaning that Real were never successfull under Perez management of the club....


I did not say that Real Madrid under Perez were NEVER succesful. If you read my posts, they say that they won nothing since 2003, and were only succesful under the management of Vicente Del Bosque.

Reading your post sometimes, I have to wonder whether you've ever seen a football match in your life (I know you've not been to watch your own team apart from on tv).

Angelus, MOST people disagree with you. MOST of the time.

Go figure.

Thats funny you said that- because at the minute- people are disagreeing a lot with your stuff you spout on other topics in the sports chat!

I really dont care if people disagee with me- thats the point of having a good argument on here- as long as it gives people things to think about, then its done its job.

And for a Man Utd fan- to say Ruud is 5th best in the world.
Go onto any Man Utd chat forum and say that and you will be kicked off in less than an hour I guarantee you- you make some good points sometimes but others I cant see the logic.

Frig me- how many times...

Del Bosque is a manager- Perez is a president of the club or was.
Perez DOES NOT control the team.

Del Bosque comes to Perez and says I need this this and this.
Perez goes yup- here you go Del Bosque.

SO boys and girls- Perez had some part to play in Del Bosque's vision of grandeur didnt he.

Jesus- I need a lie down.... my head is hurting..
Anything else that needs explaining to you all?

You are a naive fool Angelus. PEREZ chose the bloody players Real signed!
The managers had to accommodate them, and had minimal say.
Thats the whole point.

I take it all back

Thats funny you said that- because at the minute- people are disagreeing a lot with your stuff you spout on other topics in the sports chat!

I really dont care if people disagee with me- thats the point of having a good argument on here- as long as it gives people things to think about, then its done its job.

And for a Man Utd fan- to say Ruud is 5th best in the world.
Go onto any Man Utd chat forum and say that and you will be kicked off in less than an hour I guarantee you- you make some good points sometimes but others I cant see the logic.

Ruud is about the 5th best striker in the world. On a good day. Which are getting fewer.
Who agrees with me and who reckons he should be higher?

Angelus, you obviously haven't got a clue what you are talking about.

As for saying we think English football is best in the world, who said that?

No I really think is the other way around- I really do!

To come out with tripe about Real Madrid without knowing what you really dont know what you are on about- dont do it Gypo.

And dont go siding with others against other people as well, it makes you look thick because you cant come up with arguments for yourself :)
No offence!

Frig me- how many times...

Del Bosque is a manager- Perez is a president of the club or was.
Perez DOES NOT control the team.

Del Bosque comes to Perez and says I need this this and this.
Perez goes yup- here you go Del Bosque.

SO boys and girls- Perez had some part to play in Del Bosque's vision of grandeur didnt he.

Jesus- I need a lie down.... my head is hurting..
Anything else that needs explaining to you all?

Wrong wrong wrong. Oh dear. The problem was that Perez did to an extent control the team.

Del Bosque was not buying the 'galactico' players. Perez was buying the big players he wanted. Real Madrid have had general managers/directors of footballs for years, meaning that the buying policy is not down to the manager, but down to the president and his team of general managers.

Since Perez has been buying the players HE thinks Real Madrid should own, and not the manager, things haven't gone too well.

I personally would like to thank Angelus for providing me with so many laughs. I get into work, morning blues and all that, make a cup of coffee, have a quick squizz on the forum to see what's been happening. I only have to look at the General sports section and see what Angelus has been leaking from his brain the night before and a warm feeling wells up inside me and all of a sudden the world doesn't seem a bad place. I missed Rodney Marsh and his pointless, mis-informed, flounderings when he got binned from Sky Sports after a somewhat ill-placed Toon Army (tsunami) joke but then our own resident spouter of all things nonsensical came to the rescue and things have never been better.
Angelus...I salute you :thumbsup:

If it makes you happy- then I'm happy :thumbsup:
Rodney Marsh is an ass though sorry to say.

Angelus, I'm not trying to take sides with anyone. I often disagree with Guderian over football issues too, but I at least respect he has a decent knowledge of what he is talking about.

You quite clearly do not.

Ruud is about the 5th best striker in the world. On a good day. Which are getting fewer.
Who agrees with me and who reckons he should be higher?

You are doing it again- 'who agrees with me'
Why do you have to keep getting backup from people about your views?

You need to come up with something yourself and not some drivel about Ruud being the worlds 5th best striker mate you really do because its making you look very foolish in my eyes.

I had respect for you as a fellow Utd fan- you are making yourself out to look like a plank.

Wrong wrong wrong. Oh dear. The problem was that Perez did to an extent control the team.

Del Bosque was not buying the 'galactico' players. Perez was buying the big players he wanted. Real Madrid have had general managers/directors of footballs for years, meaning that the buying policy is not down to the manager, but down to the president and his team of general managers.

Since Perez has been buying the players HE thinks Real Madrid should own, and not the manager, things haven't gone too well.

Exactly. Discuss this Angelus.

You are doing it again- 'who agrees with me'
Why do you have to keep getting backup from people about your views?

You need to come up with something yourself and not some drivel about Ruud being the worlds 5th best striker mate you really do because its making you look very foolish in my eyes.

I had respect for you as a fellow Utd fan- you are making yourself out to look like a plank.

Because football is all about opinions. And yours are baffling at times.

And for a Man Utd fan- to say Ruud is 5th best in the world.
Go onto any Man Utd chat forum and say that and you will be kicked off in less than an hour I guarantee you- you make some good points sometimes but others I cant see the logic.
It's called being a realist, as opposed to seeing things through your now infamous rose-tinted specs.
Just because you support a team doesn't mean you can't be objective towards your players.
Whatever banter I may have had with Guderian I can't help but feel he has a greater grasp of football reality than you do and if a Man U forum bans you for saying Ruud isn't the best in the whole wide world and if anyone says different then I'll tell your Mom, then the forum isn't worth bothering with...it's pathetic.
I'm with Guderian on this one

If it makes you happy- then I'm happy :thumbsup:
Rodney Marsh is an ass though sorry to say.
Exactly!!!!!

Wrong wrong wrong. Oh dear. The problem was that Perez did to an extent control the team.

Del Bosque was not buying the 'galactico' players. Perez was buying the big players he wanted. Real Madrid have had general managers/directors of footballs for years, meaning that the buying policy is not down to the manager, but down to the president and his team of general managers.

Since Perez has been buying the players HE thinks Real Madrid should own, and not the manager, things haven't gone too well.

Once again, a load of crap.

You are coming up with a theory that 'may' be happening at Real when you dont know all the full facts.

Why would a president want to run the team?
If he though he could do the job- why not save himself some cash and step into the hotseat himself.. would save himself a lot of cash eh?

Perez has bought the worlds best players to the club and made it work.. he does not control the playing side of the team- thats rubbish.

Once again, a load of crap.

You are coming up with a theory that 'may' be happening at Real when you dont know all the full facts.


I have a strange urge to use the words pot, kettle and black.

Once again, a load of crap.

You are coming up with a theory that 'may' be happening at Real when you dont know all the full facts.

Why would a president want to run the team?
If he though he could do the job- why not save himself some cash and step into the hotseat himself.. would save himself a lot of cash eh?

Perez has bought the worlds best players to the club and made it work.. he does not control the playing side of the team- thats rubbish.

Amazing. Absolutely amazing.

Angelus, I'm not trying to take sides with anyone. I often disagree with Guderian over football issues too, but I at least respect he has a decent knowledge of what he is talking about.

You quite clearly do not.

You do take sides mate- you should stop it and come up with summat original.

'He has knowledge over what he is talking about'
Comment of the week for me... clearly not after this weeks postings.

So go on then, if this is the case- who would you have as the 5 best strikers in the world and where would you fit Ruud in the list.

Because football is all about opinions.

Very true.. apart from the fact when you need backup from other members of the forum to support your claims.

It looks to me that you dont have any confidence in what you are saying at all- you need people to backup your claims... bit sad really and its a bit cringeworthy reading as well if I am honest.

There is a sketch on "The Day Today" DVD where a man gives an interview, saying his company "only employ thick people, because thick people never know when they have lost an argument".

Hmmm.....

I do take sides? I just told you I don't. If you don't agree that's fine, but I'm not taking anyones side.

5 best strikers in the world.... Tough one, as some of the best would not fit into certain systems. But generally, I'd go for (in no particular order);

Didier Drogba (just kidding!")

Thierry Henry
Adriano
Andrei Schevchenko
Samuel Eto
Wayne Rooney

I would personally love to see Thierry Henry and Rooney as a partnership though.

Though Van Nistelrooy wouldn't be too far off that lot, purely for his goalscoring record. I personally prefer to watch strikers with a bit more flair though.

It's called being a realist, as opposed to seeing things through your now infamous rose-tinted specs.
Just because you support a team doesn't mean you can't be objective towards your players.
Whatever banter I may have had with Guderian I can't help but feel he has a greater grasp of football reality than you do and if a Man U forum bans you for saying Ruud isn't the best in the whole wide world and if anyone says different then I'll tell your Mom, then the forum isn't worth bothering with...it's pathetic.
I'm with Guderian on this one

I DONT see things through rose tinted specs.
I think you should have seen this by now.

I complain when fergie is making a hash of things, and I complain about the crapness of players he has brought into the club.

How is that seeing through rose tinted specs?
I am not the one - like Guds - backing Fergie to the hilt.

I see Fergies mistakes and I question them.. how is that looking through rose tinted specs?

My point about Ruud- if someone cannot see that Ruud is the 2nd best stiker in the world then they dont know about football... Guds puts him 5th on the list and does not even include Rooney into the equation thats how much a football fan he is.. I am waiting for Gypo to come up with his nonsense as well and I would like to hear about who you think is the 5 best as well to see what you come up with- I'd be interested in what you have to say even though you seem to know less than most.

Ie: You didnt even know the difference between the world club championship and the Toyota Cup... says it all really!

Though Van Nistelrooy wouldn't be too far off that lot, purely for his goalscoring record. I personally prefer to watch strikers with a bit more flair though.

And pace! Oh, for Ruud to have pace.....

And I would def have Rooney in the top 5, although he is not an out and out striker.
Ruud is great, but he has a tendency to be clumsy at times.

Ie: You didnt even know the difference between the world club championship and the Toyota Cup... says it all really!
See other thread :loopy:

Its funny how many football fans on here come up with 'comical' insults when they are backed into a corner or seem to be losing a fight :)

There is 3 people attacking me right now on this forum and the best you lot can come up with is.

I've had wibbles bring up my mum and guderian comment that I may be thick.

Brilliant- sparkling insults them!
It really does show the intelligence that is flying about in fans today.

Come on Angelus, I've named my 5 strikers. Discuss, and name yours.

You have a basic misunderstanding about the fundamentals of the game.
I dont know how old you are, but you come across as very young, and perhaps an only child.
You are very condescending to those who don't share your opinion, and think belittling them wins you the argument. I was just playing you at your own game.
To suggest Perez just purchased the players his managers wanted is staggering.

Its funny how many football fans on here come up with 'comical' insults when they are backed into a corner or seem to be losing a fight :)

There is 3 people attacking me right now on this forum and the best you lot can come up with is.

I've had wibbles bring up my mum and guderian comment that I may be thick.

Brilliant- sparkling insults them!
It really does show the intelligence that is flying about in fans today.

This is all very well criticising others for labelling you thick, but throughout this thread you've been just as guilty, if not more so than everyone else.

If we can all drop the insults though, it might stop this thread being closed.

And I would def have Rooney in the top 5

So why didnt you pick him in your top 5 then when I asked you genius?

See- its things like this... this is exactly what I'm talking about.

You have no clue what you are on about at all.. and it makes you look dumb yet you call me thick?

See other thread :loopy:

Merely pointing out your lack of footballing knowledge mate!
I rest my case with you- I think I've proved my point.

This debate to be continued, I have to go to a meeting!

Angelus, if you could name your top 5 and have a look at mine we'll discuss later.

Come on Angelus, I've named my 5 strikers. Discuss, and name yours.

In no particular order or preference.

Henry, Ruud, Ronaldo, Eto'o and Rooney (not being biased with Rooney- but the lad is special and can change a game with just one bit of genius)

Henry
Can turn a game with one bit of pace or one bit of magic

Ruud
If you get the ball to him in the area 9/10 its a goal

Ronaldo
I could depend on him scoring in big occasions also a genius when on form

Eto'o
Watched him at Majorca years before he moved to Barca- quality player

Rooney
The kid is a genius- I dont need to go into Rooney but I am glad we signed him thats for sure.

Its funny how many football fans on here come up with 'comical' insults when they are backed into a corner or seem to be losing a fight :)

There is 3 people attacking me right now on this forum and the best you lot can come up with is.

I've had wibbles bring up my mum and guderian comment that I may be thick.

Brilliant- sparkling insults them!
It really does show the intelligence that is flying about in fans today.
Well actually if you read them properly (and I know this is a struggle) you'll find that there was no reference to YOUR Mum...more a generic comment about how I would percieve a Man united forum reaction for daring to say Ruud isn't the best striker in the whole wide world.
The more this thread continues the more I am convinced that we don't need to "come up with anything"..you are pretty much providing it all yourself anyway.
You come across very childlike in your opinions which have no basis..you constantly contradict yourself and your views are mis-informed usually because you don't read the threads properly.
Trying to have a reasonable fact based discussion with you is like trying to flog a dead horse so with that note I'm off to do some work and I shall look forward to logging on tomorrow morning and seeing where this went.

Merely pointing out your lack of footballing knowledge mate!
I rest my case with you- I think I've proved my point.
I can't see it...am I missing something???
I'd put my football knowledge against yours anyday of the week, with one eye shut and standing on one leg
You need :help:

Admittedly I didnt pick Rooney - I sometimes dont think of him as a striker as he lies so deep.
You are basing your analysis of Shevchenko on one match - that is foolish.

You have a basic misunderstanding about the fundamentals of the game.
I dont know how old you are, but you come across as very young, and perhaps an only child.
You are very condescending to those who don't share your opinion, and think belittling them wins you the argument. I was just playing you at your own game.
To suggest Perez just purchased the players his managers wanted is staggering.

I'm 27 mate- and I dont like the fact we are going back to my family yet again with 'the only child' comment... drop it please.

I have my views about football having watched it since the age of 2 years old with my dad who was also a Man Utd fan- so its been passed down the generation from my dads dad, to my pa to me.. so I can safely comment on footballing matters thanks.. however I tend to focus away from the UK as I love watching football played from abroad and all around the world more than the UK.

I try not to belittle people- however I do not stoop to asking for backup when I am in need of someone coming into support my posts.

To suggest Perez just purchased the players his managers wanted is staggering.

So- you are saying that Perez demanded that they buy a player for himself?
And who in their right mind as a manger would take that happening?
I disagree with you there totally- it would not happen at Real.
You would see managers walking out very quickly if that happened.
Do you see what I am trying to put to you?

Whatever banter I may have had with Guderian I can't help but feel he has a greater grasp of football reality than you do and if a Man U forum bans you for saying Ruud isn't the best in the whole wide world and if anyone says different then I'll tell your Mom, then the forum isn't worth bothering with...it's pathetic.

''Well actually if you read them properly (and I know this is a struggle) you'll find that there was no reference to YOUR Mum...more a generic comment about how I would percieve a Man united forum reaction for daring to say Ruud isn't the best striker in the whole wide world''

Ermm... look at what you posted earlier.
I dont like the fact you mention my family or any reference in any way to my parents whatever comment you may use it in or any context you with to throw about on the forum.

Dont make any comment about peoples parents mate- I know you say its a 'generic comment' but dont do it mate.

I wouldnt do it to anyone on this forum.

This is all very well criticising others for labelling you thick, but throughout this thread you've been just as guilty, if not more so than everyone else.

If we can all drop the insults though, it might stop this thread being closed.

There is a difference though- I have not been insulting anyone.. and I am not saying I am above that, but I dont feel the need to start insults without proper cause.

Depending on others comments, I am wondering whether to have the thread closed- its getting to the point again where insults are coming into play and its not good.

Anyway- back to the original topic if we may.

I'm 27 mate- and I dont like the fact we are going back to my family yet again with 'the only child' comment... drop it please.

I have my views about football having watched it since the age of 2 years old with my dad who was also a Man Utd fan- so its been passed down the generation from my dads dad, to my pa to me.. so I can safely comment on footballing matters thanks.. however I tend to focus away from the UK as I love watching football played from abroad and all around the world more than the UK.

I try not to belittle people- however I do not stoop to asking for backup when I am in need of someone coming into support my posts.



So- you are saying that Perez demanded that they buy a player for himself?
And who in their right mind as a manger would take that happening?
I disagree with you there totally- it would not happen at Real.
You would see managers walking out very quickly if that happened.
Do you see what I am trying to put to you?

Oh my God. Is this April fool or something??
Why do you think they have had a succession of nonentities as coach in the last few years?
Why are you being so ridiculous on this point?
To a lesser extent, it happens at Barcelona, but with a lot more input from the coach. An interesting documentary about Barcelona was shown on BBC last year, where Laporta was identifying his targets.
Do you really think continental clubs are run like Britsh ones?
Doesnt the title "Coach" give it away???!!!

I dont like the fact you mention my family or any reference in any way to my parents whatever comment you may use it in or any context you with to throw about on the forum.

Dont make any comment about peoples parents mate- I know you say its a 'generic comment' but dont do it mate.

I wouldnt do it to anyone on this forum.
Get off your high horse...if it bothers you so much report it and see if it gets pulled based on your perception of it
I said the word Mum....shock horror, call the insult police :rolleyes:
I give up

Oh my God. Is this April fool or something??
Why do you think they have had a succession of nonentities as coach in the last few years?
Why are you being so ridiculous on this point?
To a lesser extent, it happens at Barcelona, but with a lot more input from the coach. An interesting documentary about Barcelona was shown on BBC last year, where Laporta was identifying his targets.
Do you really think continental clubs are run like Britsh ones?
Doesnt the title "Coach" give it away???!!!

Why do I think they have had such crap coaches?
Dont ask me- I dont get them in, thats the presidents job.

I would have had someone a lot higher profile than some of the managers they have had though- at least it would bring some stability to the club.

Get off your high horse...if it bothers you so much report it and see if it gets pulled based on your perception of it
I said the word Mum....shock horror, call the insult police :rolleyes:
I give up

You made a comment about another users mother- however you used it in a post.. if I did report you.. and I dont wish to, I would expect you to be getting a temp ban.

There is no need to involve anyone's family in an argument.
If you have to resort to that.. then I feel sorry for you I really do!

Admittedly I didnt pick Rooney - I sometimes dont think of him as a striker as he lies so deep.
You are basing your analysis of Shevchenko on one match - that is foolish.

You didnt pick Rooney in your top 5- at least you admit that.. so you were wrong then? So will you not admit that you made a mistake then?

Also- Shevchenko- he is not a complete 'goalscoring machine' like Ruud is.
I watched Andrei in the CL final and he was all over the shop - and when he missed the penalty as well... not good.

I did have a high opinion of him once- and he is still good dont get me wrong- but I wouldnt class him in the top 5.

Why do I think they have had such crap coaches?
Dont ask me- I dont get them in, thats the presidents job.

I would have had someone a lot higher profile than some of the managers they have had though- at least it would bring some stability to the club.

Do you understand the term "Yes men"??
If Perez had got a Ferguson, or Mourinho in, he knows full well his tinkering days would be over.

I'd put my football knowledge against yours anyday of the week, with one eye shut and standing on one leg

And I would like to take you up on this challenge as well if I may :)

Do you understand the term "Yes men"??
If Perez had got a Ferguson, or Mourinho in, he knows full well his tinkering days would be over.

I disagree with this as well- however Fergie/Mourinho and Wenger would not tolerate any such 'tinkering' IF it went on - which I doubt it did.

Also Capello was boss of Real for a season- he would not have took anything like that going on from Perez, as Capello is not the sort of bloke to be tolerating that kind of activity in the background and I doubt he would be a 'Yes Man' as you call them.

So I doubt the whole 'Perez tinkering' accusations to be honest.

I disagree with this as well- however Fergie/Mourinho and Wenger would not tolerate any such 'tinkering' IF it went on - which I doubt it did.

Also Capello was boss of Real for a season- he would not have took anything like that going on from Perez, as Capello is not the sort of bloke to be tolerating that kind of activity in the background and I doubt he would be a 'Yes Man' as you call them.

So I doubt the whole 'Perez tinkering' accusations to be honest.

Oh my word...

A) Capello was long before Perez's reign. (96 or around that time)
b) Regardless, he only lasted one season - why do think that was Angelus?
Was it perhaps he grew tired of not having total control of team affairs??

[QUOTE=ANGELUS]You made a comment about another users mother- however you used it in a post.. if I did report you.. and I dont wish to, I would expect you to be getting a temp ban.
QUOTE]
Please do..satisfy my curiosity.

Oh my word...

A) Capello was long before Perez's reign. (96 or around that time)
b) Regardless, he only lasted one season - why do think that was Angelus?
Was it perhaps he grew tired of not having total control of team affairs??

So now you are saying that...
Capello was there before Perez was at Real which is true since Perez joined in 2000 I believe so now you are saying that there is a bigger conspiracy at the club with everyone putting pressure on the current manager whoever it is to buy the players they want instead of the managers choices?

What a load of absolute ****e..
Who would want to manage Real knowing that?

I give up.
You dont know much, and its impossible to argue with someone like that.

Real - biggest club in the world.
How many high profile managers have they had?

Has it not crossed your mind that there is no correlation between the status of their players and their manager?

Comedy..pure comedy

Just found some interesting facts from Real Madrid-
I would like to add this as people seem to think that Florentino Perez did more harm than good while at Real.


Real Madrid C.F. Economy 2004/2005

2003/2004 season:

Marketing: 85 million €
Members/Stadium: 62.575 million €
TV income: 69.733 million €
International matches + training matches: 18.603 million €

Sales: 236 million €


2004/2005 season:

Marketing: 137.141 millon €
Members/Stadium: 66.230 million €
TV income/Stadium: 71.232 million €
International matches - training matches: 25 million €

Sales: 300 million €

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The budget will for this season will be about 300 million Euros.

The club have 0 debt in the bank or other financial institutions.

Look what happened after Florentino Perez became president with the financial situation.


Sales :

2001: 137.909 million €
2002: 152.191 million €
2003: 192.581 million €
2004: 236.001 million €
2005: 300 million €


Expenditure and Wages :

2001: 86%
2002: 90%
2003: 72%
2004: 52%
2005: 47% (47 % with players like Zidane, Figo, Carlos, Raul, Ronaldo, Owen, Beckham, Morientes, Samuel, Salgado, Woodgate, and Casillas )


Deposit :

2000: 10 million €
2001: 19 million €
2002: 153 million €
2003: 143 million €
2004: 169 million €


Debt in Banks :

2000: 104 million €
2001: 156 million €
2002: 6 million €
2003: 0 €
2004: 0 €

Here is the link from www.realmadrid.es
I did a bit of sniffing round the internet and found these figures above

And I'd like to draw attention to these comments as well.

Florentino Pérez succeeded in clearing the club's debt and in his first years in office Real Madrid won two Spanish Championships and its record ninth European Cup.

His policy was criticised for being focused too much on marketing the Real Madrid brand and the bottom line and not enough on the football.

He resigned on February 27, 2006, acknowledging that the team and the club as a whole needed a new direction.

Linky for that one is here as well: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florentino_P%C3%A9rez

Er, I said it my earlier post "Perez was a commercial success".

Dont you listen?
Your figures BACK UP my argument.
Thank you Angelus!
The argument is about his interference in team affairs.
With all that money, he took Real downhill.

They should be European champions.

Going on this thread is obviously the only way of getting Angelus to pick up his PM's.

EDIT: It worked!

I give up.
You dont know much, and its impossible to argue with someone like that.

Real - biggest club in the world.
How many high profile managers have they had?

Has it not crossed your mind that there is no correlation between the status of their players and their manager?

You said on the last page, that Capello could have left due to him not having enough control of the team - did you not say that?

A) Capello was long before Perez's reign. (96 or around that time)
b) Regardless, he only lasted one season - why do think that was Angelus?
Was it perhaps he grew tired of not having total control of team affairs??


So my point to you is - and this is getting tiring now - how do you possibly know if there was any pressure on Capello to buy players which he didnt want?

Real ARE the biggest club in the world, they have had these managers

Vanderlei Luxembourgo 30-12-2004 Present
Mariano Garcia Remon 01-07-2004 30-12-2004
Jose Antonio Camacho 01-06-2004 01-07-2004
Carlos Queiroz 25-06-2003 31-05-2004
Vicente Del Bosque 01-07-2000 23-06-2003
And before that - John Toshack, Guus Hiddink and Fabio Capello.

Now then- I would rate Guus, Fabio, John Toshack and to some extent Quieroz as high profile managers.. and thats the ones from the top of my head.

So my question to you as you seem to think they were intimidated in some way into doing there jobs different by the board- could it not be possible, that other factors influenced the quick departure from Real?
Ie: Press, fans on their backs for not winning enough trophies.

Capello I know wanted to go to Milan again so I think that could be the reason for him going possibly.

You said on the last page, that Capello could have left due to him not having enough control of the team - did you not say that?



So my point to you is - and this is getting tiring now - how do you possibly know if there was any pressure on Capello to buy players which he didnt want?

Real ARE the biggest club in the world, they have had these managers

Vanderlei Luxembourgo 30-12-2004 Present
Mariano Garcia Remon 01-07-2004 30-12-2004
Jose Antonio Camacho 01-06-2004 01-07-2004
Carlos Queiroz 25-06-2003 31-05-2004
Vicente Del Bosque 01-07-2000 23-06-2003
And before that - John Toshack, Guus Hiddink and Fabio Capello.

Now then- I would rate Guus, Fabio, John Toshack and to some extent Quieroz as high profile managers.. and thats the ones from the top of my head.

So my question to you as you seem to think they were intimidated in some way into doing there jobs different by the board- could it not be possible, that other factors influenced the quick departure from Real?
Ie: Press, fans on their backs for not winning enough trophies.

Capello I know wanted to go to Milan again so I think that could be the reason for him going possibly.

Queiroz a high profile gaffer?
Case closed Angelus.
You have no concept of the role of the Continental "president" as opposed to "manager" in the British sense.
You dont listen to arguments, or other people opinions.
You go round in circles.
You throw facts and stats at an argument, even though it proves nothing.
You think your opinion "wins" the argument.

Welcome to Angelus - Conservative MP

Going on this thread is obviously the only way of getting Angelus to pick up his PM's.

EDIT: It worked!

Sorted :thumbsup:

Queiroz a high profile gaffer?
Case closed Angelus.
You have no concept of the role of the Continental "president" as opposed to "manager" in the British sense.
You dont listen to arguments, or other people opinions.
You go round in circles.
You throw facts and stats at an argument, even though it proves nothing.
You think your opinion "wins" the argument.

Welcome to Angelus - Conservative MP

Queiroz not high profile?

Not high profile enough to manage the Portugese and South African national teams then and not high profile enough for real madrid?

You are talking out of your arse again Guderian.
And you are now starting to annoy me.

You have still not answered my question about the whole intimidation at Real to their managers or do you not have an insult ready to come back at me with? I'd like an answer to my question please.

I do get the concept of club presidents and managers and them being different, I do listen to arguments if they have a point and people can back them up not some rantings coming from idiots, I do listen to opinions when they are valid and believable, I possible do go round in circles true, I throw stats and facts when I feel necessary to back up comments I have made earlier about Perez which you and others failed to do, and my opinion often wins arguments because people often have to have backing from others to win said arguments.

I can do that on my own - without the need to 'gang up' on people like you and Wibbles have done today.

You may be a fan - but you are not a very good one mate.

I can see you scraping your knuckles down the street going towards OT with the rest of the louts because that is what my opinion of you is leading me towards at the minute.

You can hand out insults all you like mate- when it comes to someone giving you an argument- you are just like so many others.. all mouth.

I think that is the end of this thread to be honest now- as AGypo asked for it to return back the original thread.. it does not seem we are going back to it so this may have to be closed before my nasty streak comes out.

However- Guds I'm sure you will take great delight in me asking for the thread to be closed so I'm not going too :) and I would not like to see us both get temp bans again for our comments as we did last time we have a clash of opinions.

[QUOTE=ANGELUS]You made a comment about another users mother- however you used it in a post.. if I did report you.. and I dont wish to, I would expect you to be getting a temp ban.
QUOTE]
Please do..satisfy my curiosity.

I'm not that nasty :)

The profile of Queiroz was nowhere near high enough for a club like Real.

You are a clown. The whole argument was about Perez having too much control of team affairs.
You came up and used Capello as an argument against this.
I retorted, saying that was before Perez took charge - perhaps it has always gone on at Real, but Perez certainly exacerbated things with his insistence on "Galacticos".

You have a low attention span. Before posting angelus, you should read over the previous posts.
This will ensure you dont contradict yourself, and inadvertently back up your adversaries original points, as i have seen you do before.

Angelus defeated

:thumbsup:


(Annoying isn't it)

The profile of Queiroz was nowhere near high enough for a club like Real.

You are a clown. The whole argument was about Perez having too much control of team affairs.
You came up and used Capello as an argument against this.
I retorted, saying that was before Perez took charge - perhaps it has always gone on at Real, but Perez certainly exacerbated things with his insistence on "Galacticos".

You have a low attention span. Before posting angelus, you should read over the previous posts.
This will ensure you dont contradict yourself, and inadvertently back up your adversaries original points, as i have seen you do before.

If the profile was not high enough for Quieroz for Real, why was he appointed manager then?
Since you seem to know more about football than me- surely you can answer me this question and since I already know the answer for why they appointed him I'll let you give me a response first.

I cannot say if there is pressure on managers from the board at Real, I very much doubt it but I also doubt Perez was involved as well- and neither can you prove it so I guess we will have to quit the argument as both of us cannot prove whether it did or did not happen.

I like the term 'adversaries' - its like a battle of wills then is it between myself and the rest of the sports chat forum :)

I also do have a low attention span- it usually comes out when I am bored of reading the same old tripe.

Angelus defeated
:thumbsup:
(Annoying isn't it)

Who says I give in mate :hihi:
You should know me by now :thumbsup:

I'd just rather not get Temp Banned again for being 'nasty' as I was before.

ALSO- off topic but -
Just in on the Sky Sports website

Ballack on way to Blues - Agent

Michael Ballack looks to be on his way to Chelsea on a lucrative Bosman free transfer, according to his agent Michael Becker.

http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=367854&CPID=22&clid=&lid=3&title=Ballack+on+way+to+Blues+-+Agent

Worst mistake he will ever make- but good for us as he will now throw Chelski's midfield into chaos if it is true.. he will want to be starting every game as will Lampard and Essien.. causing more upheaval.

Hello people,

1 Perez so called finacial success was very very contraversal in Madrid, because the city council purchased the training ground off madrid for I think for well over £200 000 000. A highly exagerated price, and then the city council gave Real Madrid another training ground for free. A lot of people in spain want this investigated.

2 Perez won the ellection to president of Real Madrid with the promise that he would buy Figo, the manager at the time had no say in the matter.

3 The success at the start of Perezs' was mailnly due to the good team the existed befere he arrived at the club, as Perez followed his glacticos plan the clubs fortunes got steadly worse and worse on the pitch.

4 If anyone care to remember none of the glacticos had a good Euro2004, one the resons doing the rounds, I think that Quirez hinted at it; was that Real Madid's squad is so small that they cannot cover injuries so they don't phiysically train their players hard. Hence Beckham, Zidane et al looking unfit.

5 The success that Real Madrid has enjoyed over the last 3 or so years is the roughly the same success that that Manure has enjoyed over the last 3 or so years, so may it continue for a long time to come!

6 I think I see where Angelus is trying to coming from, he believes that if you buy the best 11 players you then get the best team. Not many people within football believed this theory before the galacticos experiment, and even less believe it now. My example being, I think that Makalele is Chelsea's most important player, Chelsea would not have won the league without him. Quite ironically he was not seen as an important player by Perez as he was not a galactico, he could not beat a couple of players or curl a long one in from 35 yards. Real Madrid then did not pay him the wages that the other stars were on at Madrid so when Chelsea came along made if feel like they respected him and his skills so he came to us.

To summerise, the key to building the best team is not having the best 11 players on the pitch. You have to have a well balanced, organised, stong work ethic, hungry and talented squad. If it was about picking the best 11 players we would all be great managers.

If the profile was not high enough for Quieroz for Real, why was he appointed manager then?
Since you seem to know more about football than me- surely you can answer me this question and since I already know the answer for why they appointed him I'll let you give me a response first.

I cannot say if there is pressure on managers from the board at Real, I very much doubt it but I also doubt Perez was involved as well- and neither can you prove it so I guess we will have to quit the argument as both of us cannot prove whether it did or did not happen.

I like the term 'adversaries' - its like a battle of wills then is it between myself and the rest of the sports chat forum :)

I also do have a low attention span- it usually comes out when I am bored of reading the same old tripe.

Carlos was oppointed coach, as Perez assumed he could work with the players Perez provided him with, using his coaching skills to turn them into a "team". He did not expect Carlos to demand a sat in transfers.
I could blast you out of the water here, as I am sure I could find the quotes from Queiroz about the situation he found himself in at Madrid, which counters your argument.

Here is an example piece from realmadridinfo.com

Luxemburgo has not been perfect and he seems to also be guilty of playing out of form players and claiming he is the only one responsible for picking the side, but he has been modestly successful at instiling some character and the team has improved tactically. I am hoping Florentino stays out of his and Sacchi's way next season.

Perez's Real Madrid rapidly becoming unmanageable
(Agencies)
Updated: 2004-09-21 10:43


Florentino Perez may soon have to accept the fact that finding a coach capable of managing a Real Madrid squad with his personal hallmark is an impossible task.

Jose Antonio Camacho's resignation on Monday left his former assistant Mariano Garcia Remon to become the club's fourth coach in a little over 15 months.

Camacho and his predecessors, Carlos Queiroz and Vicente del Bosque, have all fallen victim to Perez's policy of signing players on the basis of marketing muscle rather than the needs of the team.

Carlos was oppointed coach, as Perez assumed he could work with the players Perez provided him with, using his coaching skills to turn them into a "team". He did not expect Carlos to demand a sat in transfers.
I could blast you out of the water here, as I am sure I could find the quotes from Queiroz about the situation he found himself in at Madrid, which counters your argument.

Queiroz, who forged his reputation as coach of the Portuguese under-20 side that won two world championships in 1989 and 1991 and included such talents as Figo, Fernando Couto and Rui Costa, said his habit was never to make promises.

Carlos was picked as the best man out of all the candidates for having the ability to work well with the superstar players Real had- and also he was also consulted about getting David Beckham to the club as well- it was his helping that led Dave to Real after falling out with Fergie- Real used Carlos as a go between with Perez and Dave.

You should know the story being a Man Utd fan mate- surprised if you did not!

Please feel free to 'blast me out of the water' if you can my friend.
I await your 'blasting' :hihi:

Here is an example piece from realmadridinfo.com

Luxemburgo has not been perfect and he seems to also be guilty of playing out of form players and claiming he is the only one responsible for picking the side, but he has been modestly successful at instiling some character and the team has improved tactically. I am hoping Florentino stays out of his and Sacchi's way next season.

And who made this comment- you didnt say?
Was it Quieroz as we are talking about now or Perez?

At time of writing they sit in a disastrous 10th place in the league. Florentino Perez is a megalomaniac fool, an interfering non-football president from the Berlusconi school who is steering the good ship Real Madrid drunkenly into the rocks.

His firing of the perfectly adequate Vicente del Bosque, hiring and firing of Manchester United assistant coach Carlos Queiroz and then Jose Camacho were the actions of a man after the late serial coach-sacker Jesus Gil’s heart. The entire world including Queiroz could see that Real were top-heavy with stars and had a leaking defence but Perez charged on assembling a team of glittering galácticos like a magpie collecting shiny objects for its nest.

Perez's Real Madrid rapidly becoming unmanageable
(Agencies)
Updated: 2004-09-21 10:43


Florentino Perez may soon have to accept the fact that finding a coach capable of managing a Real Madrid squad with his personal hallmark is an impossible task.

Jose Antonio Camacho's resignation on Monday left his former assistant Mariano Garcia Remon to become the club's fourth coach in a little over 15 months.

Camacho and his predecessors, Carlos Queiroz and Vicente del Bosque, have all fallen victim to Perez's policy of signing players on the basis of marketing muscle rather than the needs of the team.

And this comment comes from where exactly?
The Press? It just says 'agencies' at the top.
What is the official source?

Real Madrid website?

ALSO- off topic but -
Just in on the Sky Sports website

Ballack on way to Blues - Agent



http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=367854&CPID=22&clid=&lid=3&title=Ballack+on+way+to+Blues+-+Agent

Worst mistake he will ever make- but good for us as he will now throw Chelski's midfield into chaos if it is true.. he will want to be starting every game as will Lampard and Essien.. causing more upheaval.

There is a rumour doing the rounds that ballack will play as a forward next year, if not the extra competition is always appriciated. I am glad the you think that Ballack signing for us would be good for you, so we are both happy.

At time of writing they sit in a disastrous 10th place in the league. Florentino Perez is a megalomaniac fool, an interfering non-football president from the Berlusconi school who is steering the good ship Real Madrid drunkenly into the rocks.

His firing of the perfectly adequate Vicente del Bosque, hiring and firing of Manchester United assistant coach Carlos Queiroz and then Jose Camacho were the actions of a man after the late serial coach-sacker Jesus Gil’s heart. The entire world including Queiroz could see that Real were top-heavy with stars and had a leaking defence but Perez charged on assembling a team of glittering galácticos like a magpie collecting shiny objects for its nest.

And where is this from?
Jesus wept- give me a source for your mumblings.. :)

This could have come from a stadium cleaner for all I know.
Summat a bit more substantial would be great!

I am searching for evidence of quotes Carlos Queiroz made, when he said he "wasnt given a free hand" at Real.
I have to pretend to work as well, so bear with me.

There is a rumour doing the rounds that ballack will play as a forward next year, if not the extra competition is always appriciated. I am glad the you think that Ballack signing for us would be good for you, so we are both happy.

I heard the rumour about playing him as a forward as well- and that is another stupid idea if it is true.

Why play a midfielder out of position where he normally does not play- I'd love to know the thinking behind this.

And who would mourinho drop- because Michael will want to be first choice mark my words, Drogba wont settle for a 2nd choice and I know for definite that Crespo wont!

Its good for english football if you can get him in though- however if you want to annoy most of your established midfielders, its a brilliant way of doing it!

I am searching for evidence of quotes Carlos Queiroz made, when he said he "wasnt given a free hand" at Real.
I have to pretend to work as well, so bear with me.

No worries mate- go careful over there.

I heard the rumour about playing him as a forward as well- and that is another stupid idea if it is true.

Why play a midfielder out of position where he normally does not play- I'd love to know the thinking behind this.


You should ask Alex Ferguson....he's re-writing the book on playing players out of their positions

You should ask Alex Ferguson....he's re-writing the book on playing players out of their positions

Very true mate- and I resent him for doing it as well.
Its pointless and it does not work effective enough for me.

Alan Smith is and always will be for me a striker, he will never be as good in midfield as Keano so I dont know what the logic is for it- the only thing I can think of that he is a hard worker and a 'fighter' as Alex must see in him.

I heard the rumour about playing him as a forward as well- and that is another stupid idea if it is true.

Why play a midfielder out of position where he normally does not play- I'd love to know the thinking behind this.

And who would mourinho drop- because Michael will want to be first choice mark my words, Drogba wont settle for a 2nd choice and I know for definite that Crespo wont!

Its good for english football if you can get him in though- however if you want to annoy most of your established midfielders, its a brilliant way of doing it!

Well seeing that we only play with one striker, Crespo and Drogba seem to accept not playing every game already. I think it is almost certain that Crespo will be going back to Italy at the end of the season. Hopefully Eto will get fed up of being in Ronaldinhio's shadow and move to us at the end of the season, he is making a lot of noises about how he is not as loved as Ronaldinhio. So I think Drogbas days may be numbered at Chelsea

Well seeing that we only play with one striker, Crespo and Drogba seem to accept not playing every game already. I think it is almost certain that Crespo will be going back to Italy at the end of the season. Hopefully Eto will get fed up of being in Ronaldinhio's shadow and move to us at the end of the season, he is making a lot of noises about how he is not as loved as Ronaldinhio. So I think Drogbas days may be numbered at Chelsea

The day you get Samuel Eto'o/Adriano/Shevchenko or any other of the 'world class' striker elite at chelsea- is the day I buy a Chelsea shirt.
Its not going to happen trust me on this.

Eto'o has said time and time again he is NOT going to chelski.
In fact he hates you lot for the way you treated Ronaldinho at Stamford Bridge and also Mourinho's attitude as well.

I hope Crespo does not go back to italy though- he will go to milan if anywhere- I think he is a brilliant player.

Drogba- not sure to be honest but you never know.

Sone hints here at Perez being interfering:


http://www.eurosport.co.uk/football/la-liga/2005-2006/sport_sto838176.shtml

Have a read through some of that story Guds..
You will find 'The media' mentioned a lot of the way through the article.

Quieroz

Ending the season without a trophy after a promising start, he bemoaned the interference from the top of the hierarchy.
“I was worried that a squad of twenty-one players was too few for Madrid's ambitions and was based on players without much experience. Two of these were injured all season, leaving us with nineteen”.

Maybe because he didnt win owt- Perez wanted an immediate win of trophies, and I know the fans will have wanted and demanded it as well??

José Antonio Camacho

José Antonio Camacho was next for a second spell in charge before disappearing only six matches into the season. The press speculated that Camacho had been ordered to play Raúl and David Beckham against his wishes.

Press Speculation? :)

Former Madrid youth coach and 1970s goalkeeper Mariano Garcia Remon, who had arrived as Camacho's assistant, was hastily asked to fill the gap, but after failing to improve form, found his job description reduced again by the t