George Ashforth: 1730 - 1817 [Archive]

shaas

20-02-2006, 19:57

George Ashforth is a long-time-ago relative; according to my mother.

Almost all of our Ashforths in the old England were silversmiths; only George, that I know of, had Hallmarks for his companies. The others worked for silversmiths - were journeymen, etc.

I feel certain that the above "Title" dates are correct.

Does anyone know where George is buried?

Does anyone know if George married?

Edward Law has written about George on the net; that's just about all I know save for his companies which I found through search.

I'd just like to know more about his family.

Whatever is known replied to is of interest to we who were born in the 20th Century. My mother was an Ashforth.

Thanks, shaas :)

shaas

20-02-2006, 19:58

Any and all knowledge is appreciated on George Ashforth, silversmith, B. 1730 in Sheffield, Eng.

Thanks, shaas

retep

20-02-2006, 21:19

shaas

25-02-2006, 17:18

Are you sure of his birth year,
do you know which area he lived,
There is a George 49 silversmith of Nursery dies 1817 buried St Peter

a reference for Ashforth from Gales and Martin dir.1787
ASHFORTH,ELLIS,WILSON,HAWKSLEY-MANU.SILVER&PLATED GOODS-ANGEL STREET
dont know if this is related.

Had a look at Edward Law's account of George he states he died age 87 in 1917,
The only george i can find to near match that age is Mr. George Ashforth age 86 buried St Pauls 1813 no other details.
Mr. i would think denoting a man of means.

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Thanks very much for your kind response.

Yes, according to Edward Law, George died at age 87 in 1817 (as opposed to 1917); that would make his birthdate approx. 1730. There is a George Ashforth Christening on 06 Jul 1736.

George Ashforth had some three or four companies as well as Hallmarks; he was a master silversmith, based in Sheffield, but also had holdings in London. Your company on Angel Street is one of George's - I found that in a directory.

I'll check on the burial in St. Peter's, which seems likely; also, I'll check on St. Pauls.

Thanks very much!!

shaas:)

shaas

06-03-2006, 22:06

Are you sure of his birth year,
do you know which area he lived,
There is a George 49 silversmith of Nursery dies 1817 buried St Peter

a reference for Ashforth from Gales and Martin dir.1787
ASHFORTH,ELLIS,WILSON,HAWKSLEY-MANU.SILVER&PLATED GOODS-ANGEL STREET
dont know if this is related.

Had a look at Edward Law's account of George he states he died age 87 in 1917,
The only george i can find to near match that age is Mr. George Ashforth age 86 buried St Pauls 1813 no other details.
Mr. i would think denoting a man of means.

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George Ashforth probably was a man of means. He was a master silversmith with 3 Hallmarks and several silver companies from Sheffield to London.

I wish I could trail him, but unless I try and am able to obtain records from the churches, I'll probably not be able to . Sad.

Mom writes that he is in the family. I just need to tie together about 100 years of Ashforths to make that determination - really, that's only two generations.

Thanks very much for the information.

Blessings, shaas:|

multiparvo1

07-03-2006, 09:12

Tuppie

07-03-2006, 10:11

shaas

08-03-2006, 22:52

Hi Shaas.

Can I make a suggestion here. The most likely George ASHFORTH is the one described as Mr in the burial registers of St Pauls, buried 29th May 1813 (as posted by Retep.

As he was a man of means there may be a Monumental Inscription, these are indexed at Sheffield Archives.This may confirm that this is the man you are looking for.

The George ASHFORTH baptised in 1736 has a father Samuel who is a weaver by trade.

Just realised you are in Florida. I'll check this out for you...the archives are closed until 13th March.

Kind Regards
Tuppie :huh:

Thanks very much, Tuppie.

Yes, I think George Ashforth was baptised in 1736 - b. in 1730-approx. His father was Samuel.

Please let me know what you find. I'm much appreciative of you extra efforts. He is supposed to be family; I need to find out if he had siblings, and if so where they migrated to in England.

I do thank you so much.

warm regards, shaas:)

shaas

14-03-2006, 21:59

shaas

06-05-2006, 19:09

Hi Shaas,
Search for Sheffield & District Family History Society, scroll down to bottom left and click on 'Original Sheffield Indexers', click on 'message forum', click on 'enter', leave message. I am sure someone will have access to the parish records. Good luck
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This is bit late, but thanks very much.

Been having computer problems. All is well, now.

Blessings, sh:)

retep

06-05-2006, 19:42

For "Retrep"

You wrote: "There is a George 49 silversmith of Nursery dies 1817 buried St Peter"

How would you translate the above sentence? What is "George 49 silversmith of Nursery?

Is "49" an age?

Please advise, and many thanks, sh

George Ashforth age 49, silversmith, of Nursery,(area near Wicker Sheffield) buried 1817 St Peter, Parish Church Sheffield

shaas

30-05-2006, 21:14

Greetings to all -

I've been researching, of course, on George Ashforth - I never stop trying.

Found that the Ashforths were originally from West Yorkshire; George had a business on Angel Street. Is Angel Street in West Yorkshire?

Anyone know?

Please advise, and thanks. Blessings, sh

retep

31-05-2006, 08:06

Yes Angel Street is in central Sheffield.

multiparvo1

31-05-2006, 10:21

Yes Angel Street is in central Sheffield.
Which is of course in South Yorkshire

retep

31-05-2006, 11:02

Which is of course in South Yorkshire

Which was of course West Yorkshire.

Tuppie

31-05-2006, 13:00

Which was of course West Yorkshire.

Which was of course The West Riding of Yorkshire...not to be confused with West Yorkshire....:thumbsup:

Tuppie

retep

31-05-2006, 14:50

Which was of course The West Riding of Yorkshire...not to be confused with West Yorkshire....:thumbsup:

Tuppie

Quite right Tuppie, but was trying not to further confuse our OP.

jass

02-06-2006, 17:00

An ancestor of mine married Emily Ashforth who was the daughter of William and Charlotte (nee Revitt). Emily was born in 1842 at Stannington, Sheffield where William was a saw grinder by trade. She married Charles Oakley in 1867 at St Phillips Church, Sheffield and her address is given as Infirmary Rd. Don't know if this ties in or not but good luck.

Cheers, Jass

shaas

24-06-2006, 22:49

Hi Shaas.

Can I make a suggestion here. The most likely George ASHFORTH is the one described as Mr in the burial registers of St Pauls, buried 29th May 1813 (as posted by Retep.

As he was a man of means there may be a Monumental Inscription, these are indexed at Sheffield Archives.This may confirm that this is the man you are looking for.

The George ASHFORTH baptised in 1736 has a father Samuel who is a weaver by trade.

Just realised you are in Florida. I'll check this out for you...the archives are closed until 13th March.

Kind Regards
Tuppie :huh:

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Tuppie - have you checked the registers for George Ashforth? How can I obtain a photo of his grave marker?

I have been relentlessly searching for several Ashforth items. I'm going to reply to another on this site - I believe you're also involved in the next quest.

Kindest regards, sh:) :smile:

shaas

24-06-2006, 22:53

Which was of course The West Riding of Yorkshire...not to be confused with West Yorkshire....:thumbsup:

Tuppie
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Tuppie - here's another one of my research items.

Apparently, there is, in the West Riding of Yorkshire, a place called, "Ashforth Side".

I've contacted Kirkby Malzeard about Ashforth Side, requesting more knowledge of it - who lived there, was it farmland, etc., without success.

KM did email me back identifying that they didn't know anything about it.

I've done just about all the searches I know how to do and have come up with a blank.

Any ideas? Do you have knowledge of Ashforth Side - as it is in West Riding?

OH, I hope so.

Blessings, sh:) :) :) :)

shaas

26-06-2006, 22:11

Which was of course West Yorkshire.
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RETEP - here's what I've found on "Ashforth Side":

"Supplemental information for the year 1822 about places in the parish of Kirkby Malzeard, West Riding of Yorkshire, England. ... "ASHFORTH SIDE, in the parish of Kirkby Malzeard, and wapentake of Claro; 3 miles from Pateley Bridge"

I believe this is in West Riding.

I'd really like to know what "Ashforth Side" was/is - and what it means.

I'm so lost. This must be where George Ashforth lived - or close by.

Any clues?

Please advise, and thanks, sh:)

shaas

02-01-2007, 21:52

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Tuppie - have you checked the registers for George Ashforth? How can I obtain a photo of his grave marker?

I have been relentlessly searching for several Ashforth items. I'm going to reply to another on this site - I believe you're also involved in the next quest.

Kindest regards, sh:) :smile:
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TUPPIE -

Are you still around?

I would like to know how to obtain a photo of the George Ashforth headstone as you mentioned.

Please do let me know.

Thanks ever, sh

HughW

03-01-2007, 00:12

Strix

03-01-2007, 00:53

A few more views of the church before demolition:
http://www.picturesheffield.co.uk/jpgl/s18343.jpg
http://www.picturesheffield.co.uk/jpgl/s14321.jpg
http://www.picturesheffield.co.uk/jpgl/s18743.jpg
http://www.picturesheffield.co.uk/jpgl/s18763.jpg
http://www.picturesheffield.co.uk/jpgl/s20192.jpg
http://www.picturesheffield.co.uk/jpgl/w00140.jpg
http://www.picturesheffield.co.uk/jpgl/y01848.jpg

interior:
http://www.picturesheffield.com/jpgh/u02749.jpg
http://www.picturesheffield.co.uk/jpgl/u02750.jpg
http://www.picturesheffield.co.uk/jpgl/u02751.jpg
http://www.picturesheffield.co.uk/jpgl/u02752.jpg
http://www.picturesheffield.co.uk/jpgl/u02754.jpg

There's a couple more - use the keyword 'pinstone' ;)

Nigel Womersle

03-01-2007, 11:21

Hi. Just another suggestion, but it could help. If you log on to www.b4usearch.com - you may be able to find any Ashforth's still living in Sheffield. This is a free service. If you are lucky, a telephone call or a postage stamp and time would perhaps bring you a little nearer to your goal. B4usearch is at present being updatesd to the latest electoral roll information, but do look at it as the addresses are still there under the telephone number look up. Hope I have not wasted your time. All good wishes for success in your quest. Kind regards - Nigel.

shaas

04-01-2007, 22:38

hello Shaas,

I'm sure Tuppie isn't far away :)

But I don't think she said she had found an inscription, only that there might be one. In any case, the original memorial would no longer exist as St Paul's and its church yard have been completely cleared, apart from some very short sections of the boundary wall. The memorials were recorded before they were removed.

The site is now one of the most popular public spaces in Sheffield, the Peace Gardens. This a modern 360 degree view (http://www.bbc.co.uk/southyorkshire/fun/360/peace_gardens.shtml).

Here (http://www.picturesheffield.com/jpgh/s22401.jpg) is an engraving of the church and part of its graveyard, from the Picture Sheffield site.

Hugh

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Hi Shaas.

Can I make a suggestion here. The most likely George ASHFORTH is the one described as Mr in the burial registers of St Pauls, buried 29th May 1813 (as posted by Retep.

As he was a man of means there may be a Monumental Inscription, these are indexed at Sheffield Archives.This may confirm that this is the man you are looking for.

The George ASHFORTH baptised in 1736 has a father Samuel who is a weaver by trade.

Just realised you are in Florida. I'll check this out for you...the archives are closed until 13th March.

Kind Regards
Tuppie

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How may I obtain a copy of, "The most likely George ASHFORTH is the one described as Mr in the burial registers of St Pauls, buried 29th May 1813 (as posted by Retep."

I'm lost here. I'd appreciate your assistance in this matter.

Many thanks, sh:)

shaas

04-01-2007, 22:39

shaas

04-01-2007, 22:49

shaas

04-01-2007, 22:52

George Ashforth age 49, silversmith, of Nursery,(area near Wicker Sheffield) buried 1817 St Peter, Parish Church Sheffield
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Thanks; George Ashforth, silversmith with several hallmarks and companies, was born 1730. Couldn't be the same George Ashforth I'm researching.

Kindly, sh

HughW

08-01-2007, 11:08

How may I obtain a copy of, "The most likely George ASHFORTH is the one described as Mr in the burial registers of St Pauls, buried 29th May 1813."

If you want a copy of the original entry from the register you will have to apply to Sheffield Archives (http://www.sheffield.gov.uk/in-your-area/libraries/find/archives/sheffield-archives). You will find their email address on that site.

Although the LDS filmed some of the St Paul's Registers, their coverage of the burials stopped in 1812.

You could also ask the Archives if there is a recorded inscription. If they think the search will be quick they will probably do it for free, if they think it will take some time they will quote a search fee.

Hugh

shaas

08-01-2007, 19:27

Thanks, Hugh -

I do have an "IGI individual record" showing George's Christening, 06 Jul 1736 in Sheffield, Yorkshire; father, Samuel Ashforth. I believe he was baptisedat St. Peter's (would that be RC?),

Having contact Sheffield once, I received an article on George's businesses (Silversmith), but no other data. Apparently, that was all they had; and, yes, I gave them the dates.

Now, I understand that the church is St. Peter and St. Paul. Were they close together?

Why did they tear down St. Paul's?

I have no idea where George is buried, but if it was St. Paul's, I shall contact as you advised.

I do thank you.

Kind Regards, shaas

HughW

08-01-2007, 20:57

We are talking about two separate churches, both Church of England.

The Parish Church of St Peter and St Paul became Sheffield Cathedral when the Diocese of Sheffield was created in 1914. Before the 1840's Sheffield was a single big parish with this church as the main Anglican place of worship. There were a number of 'chapels of ease' within the parish, subordinate to St Peter and St Paul (often shortened to St Peter's). Because of the long distances people might have to travel to St Peter's, and its small size in relation to the population, people could use one of the Chapels closer to their homes.

St Paul's Church was built in the 18th century as one of these Chapels of Ease. Along with other Chapels of Ease (St George's, St Mary's Bramall Lane, Christ Church Attercliffe, All Saints Ecclesall, St James) St Paul's became a parish church in its own right when the old giant parish was divided in the 1840's.

St Peter's is still going strong see their web site (http://www.sheffield-cathedral.co.uk/homepage.asp?articleID=89).

Hugh

shaas

09-01-2007, 14:12

Thank you, Hugh - I feel now that I more fully understand the St. Peter and St. Paul history. Good to know.

By the 1840's, some from my side of the Ashforths had moved on to Dudley, then Birmingham, then Aston, then USA in 1883.

There were a lot of Ashforths in St. P&P from 1700's on - was it then RC?

I do know my church history concerning RC, Lutherans, Anglicans, et al; having studied Education for Ministry (Episcopal Church) for four (4) years.

So am I to understand that St. Paul's that broke off in the 1840's is now no more? Now a Peace Garden? I saw the photos of St. Paul interior on this site.

To understand this part of the St. Paul Church will enormously enhance my greater understanding of what now exists.

With kind regards, sh

Tuppie

09-01-2007, 22:22

shaas

28-02-2007, 18:35

Hi Shaas

I will be at the archives again next Tuesday...I did make notes before of the MI, but must have forgotten to post it....and I can't find it among my mountain of paper. Sorry about that.

Will keep you posted...give me a week Pleeeeease

Tuppie

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HI, Tuppie -

Please do let me know when you find the info for me.

Many, many thanks, shirley haas

WiseGenealog

07-05-2012, 22:27

Dear Shirley Haas, - and fellow GA researchers!

I have been following your trail in the hunt of George Ashforth, your last entry on this site being 2 years ago!

Could we be of mutual help? I am helping a friend trace her tree with the only following message: "George Ashforth, whose daughter Mary married Samuel Revell". I have managed to find some of those descendants to present day.
I gather that George A's father was Samuel Ashforth, weaver (1698-1783) and Samuel's own father was also Samuel. I guess that the Joseph Ashforth (also silver plater/smith) who was born 1735 must have been George's younger brother...
I have George as married to Mary, and father to Ann (1782), Elizabeth (1783), Sarah (1786) George [Junior] 1788-1808 (married to Mary Heaton), MARY (1791-1870), married to Samuel Revell (1787-1870). Samuel Revell was one of George Ashforth's partners.
In view of George's older age to be a father, I guess that the above listed children with Mary must be from a second/subsequent marriage.
I have been able to reference my above information from various sources, and aim to be as documented as possible.
Fingers crossed that this message reaches you, literally 2 years to the day later!
Best wishes,
Martina