The new junction at the bottom of granville road opened on sunday, anyone used it yet? Sheffield council do love giving us a complicated system :)

they have to waste our money on something or they wouldn't get as much next year.

Originally posted by AndrewC
The new junction at the bottom of granville road opened on sunday, anyone used it yet? Sheffield council do love giving us a complicated system :)

What new junction? If you mean the changes they've been in affect since Jan 04. They just needed to lay the tarmac (read here for pavement not road) to wipe away the fact that a perfectly good right turn (and roundabout) was there at all.

St Mary's Road is sadly a weak point in the ring road, being only a single lane for some of the length. The new one way system probably won't improve traffic flow that much, as it'll still bottleneck on St Mary's road at the one lane part.

Funnily enough, the council have spent the best part of 6 months improving Arundel Gate by TJ Hughes to create a long turning lane into the barely-used Norfolk Street and created THREE new crossings, TWO of which are on Arundel Gate (yes! more crossings); the one on Norfolk Street is opposite the subway wall!

AndrewC, sort this mess out before I die of laughter.

Originally posted by dinp
St Mary's Road is sadly a weak point in the ring road, being only a single lane for some of the length. The new one way system probably won't improve traffic flow that much, as it'll still bottleneck on St Mary's road at the one lane part.

Funnily enough, the council have spent the best part of 6 months improving Arundel Gate by TJ Hughes to create a long turning lane into the barely-used Norfolk Street and created THREE new crossings, TWO of which are on Arundel Gate (yes! more crossings); the one on Norfolk Street is opposite the subway wall!

AndrewC, sort this mess out before I die of laughter.

You must have never tried to cross Norfolk Street at that juntion, it is used heavily by traffic as it is the only road you can get to norfolk row, carver street and the parking on these roads. The crossing is being put there to replace the dimly lit, smelly, dangerous outdated subway, so will make it nicer and safer for people to cross the road at that point.

It took me with my 2 1/2 daughter about 5 mins to cross norfolk street on monday evening, becuase I must have just wanted to stand there it couldn't have anything to do with the cars, vans and one articulated lorry that rarly use that part of the UK's highway. btw the only way I crossed was one car driver gave way to let me cross. If the crossing was in action it would have been a lot quicker and safer.

Originally posted by dinp
the one on Norfolk Street is opposite the subway wall!

AndrewC, sort this mess out before I die of laughter.

Sorry forgot to add they can't fill in the subway until the crossing is ready. That will prob be done on a sunday when it is queiter

Originally posted by jubby
You must have never tried to cross Norfolk Street at that juntion

I live in Fitzalan Square so I pass this place daily; i'm glad they're getting rid of the subway - are they filling it in properly or just doing a cheap job like they have with the ones at Moorhead?

I think 2 extra crossings on Arundel Gate is a bit excessive, 1 would have done. There's about 2 car lengths between the crossings; there's pedestrian safety and stupid planning - I think this is the latter.

Originally posted by dinp
I live in Fitzalan Square so I pass this place daily; i'm glad they're getting rid of the subway - are they filling it in properly or just doing a cheap job like they have with the ones at Moorhead?

I think 2 extra crossings on Arundel Gate is a bit excessive, 1 would have done. There's about 2 car lengths between the crossings; there's pedestrian safety and stupid planning - I think this is the latter.

I think the reason why they have done to is so you don't have to cross the road (norfolk street) to cross arundel gate if heading in the direction of the moor.

With one crossing there they could have arundel on green man and cars moving off norfolk and vice versa, but they would have people complaining (cars drivers as well, when they are out of there cars) that they would have to cross norfolk. I think what will happen is both arundel and norfolk will be on red and green man on all three crossings.

All subways should be scrapped becuase we live a world on opportunities, and dark empty subways will allow the drug addicts, and the scum who mug old womaen their opportunities.

Originally posted by dinp
Funnily enough, the council have spent the best part of 6 months improving Arundel Gate by TJ Hughes to create a long turning lane into the barely-used Norfolk Street and created THREE new crossings, TWO of which are on Arundel Gate (yes! more crossings); the one on Norfolk Street is opposite the subway wall!

AndrewC, sort this mess out before I die of laughter.

I completely disagree.

The council are fixing the complete balls up that happened in the sixties.

The Arundel Gate/ Eyre Street dual carriageway effectively cut the city centre in half as far as pedestrians were concerned. They were forced underground whilst the car ruled King on the surface.

A wrong has been made right in my opinion.

Originally posted by Vanbast
I completely disagree.

The council are fixing the complete balls up that happened in the sixties.

The Arundel Gate/ Eyre Street dual carriageway effectively cut the city centre in half as far as pedestrians were concerned. They were forced underground whilst the car ruled King on the surface.

A wrong has been made right in my opinion.

That's not what i'm disputing, one crossing would have done as there are plenty more on Arundel Gate. I agree with the downsizing of the roads, but such a long turning lane into Norfolk Street isn't really needed. Time will tell though, i'll be glad to see the back of that subway though, just hope they fill it in properly.

Originally posted by dinp
but such a long turning lane into Norfolk Street isn't really needed.

I think it is probably designed for the big artics full of M&S sandwiches that'll be using this junction now.

Don't forget that the new hotel and car park will make use of this junction. I think that it's part of future traffic / redevelopment plans - just a bit earlier.

Sheffield Council must spend more money on basic road digging than anything else.


Sheffield may be the 'biggest village in England', but also the road-work capital of Europe.

Yes, I've noticed how traffic cones in Sheffield are catagorised as 'street furniture'!!!:loopy:

Good point about the hotel and access to M&S, the car park already has an entrance on Arundel Gate, which has just been made smaller.

I see today the new one way system has come into effect; Sheffield will be the road work capital for some time yet, Sheaf Sq roundabout is next for the chop!