This may come accross bad how I type this and I appologise before hand, im not meaning it to sound racist at all.

I have just looking on the news and the Police Office shooting #2. A picture of the supect has been release and it is another black guy.
To me it seems most of the trouble recently has either been from Asian or Black people. I know there are racist people but I think most of it comes from what they see on the TV. They see violent protests with these cartoons, the suicide bombings, asian riots in birmingham I think it was, gangs on the streets etc etc.

My brother is a police officer and he even has said that the majority of trouble has been from Asian people in sheffield, what he has det with anyway. - And thats definitely not a recist point of view.

If you are black or asian and aren't a bad person, how does it make you feel? Does it not annoy you that a minority generates the wrong view for the majority?

Now I'm not one of those people who shout "racist" at everything, before anyone starts. But Mark, do you think it might be a good idea to go with some statistics or other more precise information, rather than hearsay? I've no desire to shout you down, would just rather we kept to facts and not played to peoples' prejudices. I can't really do the digging myself, am at work.

Mark, i dont think anyone should take offence to your post. I think the gun (often gang related) crime is often associated with black people and sometimes Asain people. You are not alone in thinking this, two black guys who i work with often state it's a problem is some areas.

I dont know whether it's down to culture or the country they have come from (i.e guns more readily available)???

That 'Retreat of Reason' thingy that was published a few weeks ago said basically the same thing as you MarkB but suggested that political correctness sometimes changes the truth to something more palatable (even if it is incorrect).

It depends on the socio economic's of the area's that crime occurs in.

Alot of crime occurs in the poorer area's of cities, and these tend to be inhabited by Blacks, Asians & Whites.

Certainly in my area there alot of gangs involved in the drugs trade, and hence the usage of Guns.

Z

There's also bias in the media. Race crime sells more papers than the same crime with no race element in it.

I was under the impression that for years now the police have made a note of a convicted criminal's ethnic background .
It would be interesting [ and surely , fairly easy ? ] to see what the ethnic background is of all police-killers -------not just with a gun but by any method .I can't really see why a gun is any "better " or "worse" than any other way . I mean this for police officers killed whilst on duty of course .
In an age where statistics are gathered almost obsessively , it sometimes seems quite difficult to get fairly straight-forward information .
{ About statistics -----I was once at the reception in the Charles Clifford [?] Dental Hospital and a Chinese man in front of me was asked to state his ethnic background . He seemed a bit bemused by this . I wondered myself at the time what good use that would be put to in the great scheme of things ? e.g. " in 19xx , 27% of ethnic Chinese people in Sheffield had treatment for their teeth ." Wow , is that true ? [!] }.
Anyway , if they've got info. about Chinese teeth , they may have some about police-killers .?

It depends on the socio economic's of the area's that crime occurs in.

Alot of crime occurs in the poorer area's of cities, and these tend to be inhabited by Blacks, Asians & Whites.

Certainly in my area there alot of gangs involved in the drugs trade, and hence the usage of Guns.

Z
this just goes to show how stupid it is to have drugs being illegal.
If they were brought under the control of the Law, the 'gangsters' as they see themselves would be out of businness.
It would increase revenue through taxation, make for better and cleaner gear, and remove the romance and mystery which draw so many in to start with

There's also bias in the media. Race crime sells more papers than the same crime with no race element in it.

What bias? coppers getting shot always attracts heavy media attention, it was several days after all the papers had front page headlines that the ethnicity of the shooter was made public.

What bias? coppers getting shot always attracts heavy media attention, it was several days after all the papers had front page headlines that the ethnicity of the shooter was made public.

I didn't say that there was any bias in this case did I.
The OP said

"To me it seems most of the trouble recently has either been from Asian or Black people"

I said that there is a bias in the media to report more crimes with racial elements than without. Hence the possible perception that "most of the trouble" comes from non whites.
There were examples recently, the stock broker knifed on his doorstep by a non causcasian was in the news for at least a week. At the same time (if I remember correctly) a black person was shot elsewhere in London presumably by another black person (hence no racist element to the crime), didn't even make it to the front page.

this just goes to show how stupid it is to have drugs being illegal.
If they were brought under the control of the Law, the 'gangsters' as they see themselves would be out of businness.
It would increase revenue through taxation, make for better and cleaner gear, and remove the romance and mystery which draw so many in to start with
There's a lot to be said for this point of view.

slight problem with the increase in crime due to extremely addictive drugs like heroin though...

**** is as **** be's!

If green people cause gun crimes then so be it!

Wht the **** should we be afraid to say they dont????

slight problem with the increase in crime due to extremely addictive drugs like heroin though...


True! But what i've discorved lately is that Asian ethnics are current worse offenders when it comes to distribution.

slight problem with the increase in crime due to extremely addictive drugs like heroin though...
If they are free,or sold at cost price then clearly the need to commit crime to feed an addiction doesn't exist.......

True! But what i've discorved lately is that Asian ethnics are current worse offenders when it comes to distribution.
Quick, Cliff, tell the Police, they could use someone like you in the war against drugs..........

If they are free,or sold at cost price then clearly the need to commit crime to feed an addiction doesn't exist.......

that would depend on how low cost price was I suppose.

But there are the other social problems it creates. People not working and dying and stuff like that.

that would depend on how low cost price was I suppose.

But there are the other social problems it creates. People not working and dying and stuff like that.

This happens now in the most sordid fashion. Only the Drug Barons benefit

and your saying what? It would be better if it were easier for people to get hooked on an extremely addictive and dangerous drug? Okay, no 'drug barons' would be benefitting, but making it more easily available would probably increase the problem, not decrease it.

Maybe he just wants an easy fix? :suspect:

The pushers wean people onto harder and more addictive drugs. If the sale was legalised (and by this I do not mean approved of) then control could be kept and the unfortunates given treatment.
The way we have it today they get them addicted on free shots and then the price starts to rise. We end up with people murdered for a few quid to feed the addiction and the real criminals getting off scot free

harder than heroin? What is that, diamond dust?

How can you give people treatment for what would be a legal habit?
Okay, petty crime would fall as junkies would no longer need to rob someone for a fix. But on the other hand there'd be a lot more junkies as anyone could give the drug a try, and that's all that's needed to become addicted.

Of course once they're well and truly addicted, they'd probably stop working, which means that no matter how cheap, they'll still need to get that few quid from somewhere for the next fix...

Some drugs should be legalised, but some are too addictive and the cost of abuse too high to society.

It'd never work though. They're already banning smoking and I'm sure I've read something about the Gov't denying health care benefits to those who have self-inflicted illnesses like lung cancer caused by smoking or hip replacements for people who are overweight etc. The cost to the health service would be astronomical if they legalised all banned substances. I'm sure there's a way out of it but I can't see it. It's all out of control. :loopy:

just tax whatever substance it is enough to cover the cost of healthcare.
Smoking has been banned because of how it affects other people, not because of how it affects the smoker.

I sincerely hope with your attitude you don't have any impressionable teenagers with addictive natures.

I sincerely hope with your attitude you don't have any impressionable teenagers with addictive natures.
Sorry. I didn't say who I was replying to. It was Halibut

Sorry. I didn't say who I was replying to. It was Halibut
Don't quite get your point SheShe.......are you implying that I'd encourage/condone my children in using substances?
What I am saying is that legalising and regulating the supply of drugs will have an enormous impact on crime figures - addicts aren't going to steal to feed a habit if they can get it from their G.P. Fairly straightforward really.