I know it isn't just me thats worried by the constant warnings the goverment seems to be making to try and make us all aware of the need to be vigilant, but does this mean that we must now look at every paper bag or box as an explosive device? The Madrid bombings and the constant news headlines stating that England could be next is certainly a terrifying thought.
After the pair of demonstrators climbed up Big Ben last week, im certainly not impressed with the security we have at the moment. I just dread something happening in Sheffield and seem to sometimes walk around in paranoia thinking what would happen if there was an attack.

I think if we all thought hard about the possibility we'd all be too scared to go out. In my oppinion you just have to carry on with your life and try to have fun and enjoy it while you can.
And if something terrible did happen and it was to affect you then you'd just have to cross that bridge when you came to it, and we'd deal with it.I'm not being blase, but trying to say you have to keep living and smiling around the attrocities.
Anyone, anywhere could plant a bomb at any time and no ammount of security could stop it, that would be impossible. So don't get too parranoid, worrying won't change anything apart from make you feel unhappy.:)

You're right Chez, but i do think the only reason we can say that is because we haven't experienced anything as yet.
The Americans were all high and mighty before 9/11 but once that happened on their doorstep, their lives changed forever. Their security now is unbelievable. Do you remember the English woman who got arrested at the airport for joking that there was a bomb in her suitcase because she got so tired of the constant checks.
I suppose it's like you say, try not to think about it. It's just abit hard when it's all thats ever in the news these days.

I wouldnt worry.........Sheffield wouldnt be high on the list of any respectable terrorist group.

No but they'll be looking to attack ANY major city in the World, so Sheffield is just as likely to be targeted as London and other Capital cities.

You see the Terrorists' aim is to cause as much death and destruction as is, and I use the term loosely in their case, humanly possible.

Yep thats the aim of terrosim (excuse my spelling) but its also one of there aims to choose a worth while target............Sheffield aint one worth doing anything to its a crappy town with no real value.....dont mean to sound harsh but its true.

and which town might you be from Mr Black?

Originally posted by black_soul
I wouldnt worry.........Sheffield wouldnt be high on the list of any respectable terrorist group.

If they thought we all thought like that, it would be.

Originally posted by black_soul
Yep thats the aim of terrosim (excuse my spelling) but its also one of there aims to choose a worth while target............Sheffield aint one worth doing anything to its a crappy town with no real value.....dont mean to sound harsh but its true.

That's a bit harsh! If you don't like Sheffield what are you doing here? Anyway, Sheffield has many great qualities that many other big cities don't have (friendliness for one).

Originally posted by E-Man Groovin
That's a bit harsh! If you don't like Sheffield what are you doing here? Anyway, Sheffield has many great qualities that many other big cities don't have (friendliness for one).

Well said: we might not be the prettiest, but we are the friendliest.

We've always had terrorism - the IRA, it's just we've learned to live with it. We've always known the possibility was there but like Chezlyn says we haven't let it rule our lives.

They've never really been hit in the USA before September 11th, so I think that's why they have had to go to the extreme on security, at least that's why they say here. I must admit though, before this happened, security was stupid, any Tom Dick or Harry could walk right up to the gate at an airport, whereas in England we could never do this, a lot of our security measures were already in place.

Sheffield aint one worth doing anything to its a crappy town with no real value.....dont mean to sound harsh but its true.

Remember when a bomb went off in Manchester city centre? I'd hardly say that was a major terrorist target either, unless you know something I don't.:D

In the face of a risk assessment you need to be more worried about other things, like dying of cardiac disease, smoking, lightning strikes, winning the lottery etc. than being blown up by a terrorist bomb.

The cabinet have been working hard to up all our chances of buying it in some atrocity, but you are more likely to murdered by a member of your own family.

I dont fear the terrorists, and I dont buy the government's "Fear Uncertainty & Doubt" campaign either.

Well i am from London and i dont consider Sheffield to be a city. As for Manchester City well Manchester is a proper city. but you are correct anywhere can be a target......

London is probably one of the worst cities in Europe for crime, poverty and lack of educated citizens. It's probably one of Europes ugliest cities, with exeption to a few old builings that make for the sights, the rest of it is a disgrace.
The people are ignorant and cold, it's a dog eat dog culture with no sense of direction. The reason why we in Sheffield may be worried about an attack is that there is actually something to lose. The people of Sheffield actually love their city and take pride in it, whereas London has always been there just for the trade.

It's easy to see you Love Sheffield alot...........its your home your from here.......same with london for me.....Sheffield has got alot of good qualities...and maybe i dont pay close enough attention to em or maybe i just miss my home so much i just see negatives in this place........meant no offence to your home.

If I was a terrorist the cooling towers next to the M1 would be a good target. Falling on top of the bridge, the M1 would be effectively shut causing traffic chaos.

I wish they would take them down, I do hate driving past them worries me every time. I hate the underpass as well, its not flat and I get the impression it is just going to fall down.

Originally posted by Lestat
London is probably one of the worst cities in Europe for crime, poverty and lack of educated citizens. It's probably one of Europes ugliest cities, with exeption to a few old builings that make for the sights, the rest of it is a disgrace.
The people are ignorant and cold, it's a dog eat dog culture with no sense of direction. The reason why we in Sheffield may be worried about an attack is that there is actually something to lose. The people of Sheffield actually love their city and take pride in it, whereas London has always been there just for the trade.

Indeed, you've only to watch The Bill to see how much crime there is in London, on there a South London council estate makes the Manor look like a local beauty spot.

Despite the evidence of Madrid, the level of the threat is greatly over stated by the government (remember all those tanks at Heathrow?) As for random acts of violence committed by individuals in the name of an extremist ideology, all the ID cards and 'right to detain without trial' laws won't make a blind bit of difference.

To challenge this threat we need to challenge the mindset of those who permit these things to happen. A just peace for Palestine would help and probably a bit less of the invading and occupying other peoples countries, but that's just a guess.

Skatiechik - You say the cooling towers are hidieous. . . i say you've never been to middlesborough. . .

theres cooling tower in bigger numbers than 2 and more uglier to boot (as they are still used). . .

I kinda like em. . . if you've been on your holidays and you see them at the side of the viaduct. . you know your home. . . and the fact that they're still there, though not used, and the fact that theres a mass of water in one of em and someones gone to the effort to put a boat in it. . .

Often thought it'd be a cool place for absailing lessons. . .

Originally posted by black_soul
It's easy to see you Love Sheffield alot...........its your home your from here.......same with london for me.....Sheffield has got alot of good qualities...and maybe i dont pay close enough attention to em or maybe i just miss my home so much i just see negatives in this place........meant no offence to your home.

Mate, I'm from London too (been here a year). I was sooo happy to move to a place where people are real

Originally posted by Rich
No but they'll be looking to attack ANY major city in the World, so Sheffield is just as likely to be targeted as London and other Capital cities.


I wouldn't go that far..... Outside of London I'd say chances were slim anyway, maybe with the exception of Birmingham and Manchester, but I think it would be very unlikely that terrorists would choose Sheffield. I don't want to sound complacent, but this is a situation where we should be glad for once that Sheffield isn't the most renowned city and is often overlooked.

Originally posted by E-Man Groovin
Mate, I'm from London too (been here a year). I was sooo happy to move to a place where people are real


Care to expand on a somewhat silly statement? Define 'real' in this context.

Define "crappy" in that context Mr Black R_Sole
and Mr t020, please define "somewhat" in any context.
Personally I would poison all the reservoirs or force people at gunpoint to eat at Corus Rotherham's canteen. (most people would sooner die, methinks!)

Originally posted by The Zeppelin
Define "crappy" in that context Mr Black R_Sole
and Mr t020, please define "somewhat" in any context.
Personally I would poison all the reservoirs or force people at gunpoint to eat at Corus Rotherham's canteen. (most people would sooner die, methinks!)

somewhat

\Some"what`\, n. 1. More or less; a certain quantity or degree; a part, more or less; something.

These salts have somewhat of a nitrous taste. --Grew.

Somewhat of his good sense will suffer, in this transfusion, and much of the beauty of his thoughts will be lost. --Dryden.

2. A person or thing of importance; a somebody.

Here come those that worship me. They think that I am somewhat. --Tennyson.

Now then t020, surely you know what I mean by "real"; opposite of pretentious; not up one's own arse; have got the time of day for ones fellow citizen.

The word "real" takes four keystrokes. A full explantion takes a lot more. And I'm lazy.

Originally posted by E-Man Groovin
Now then t020, surely you know what I mean by "real"; opposite of pretentious; not up one's own arse; have got the time of day for ones fellow citizen.
:D

On the main topic - I do think that having lots of TV cameras on hand is a neccessity for western terrorism. Sheffield is sadly lacking in that department.

I allways worry about places such as medowhall suffering terrorist attacks and personally think that if they were to hit sheffield thats where they will start...scary

Meadowhall would seem a good target. Lots of people in a confined space with the added advantage that you might be able to do the Tinsley Viaduct at the same time and bring the country's entire road network to a standstill for months.

Hmm... yet another reason not to go ! :)

The thing that always gets me about terrorist attacks (excpet for the september 11th one) is that they could do so much more damage than they do. If, like skatiechick suggested, they went to block the M1 for example, they would cause more death and destruction and economical damage than blowing up one building...

Incidentally, has anyone actually heard what the (supposed) "Al Queida" group is campaigning for? I understand groups like ETA and IRA are campainging for independance anf freedom (from thier point of view), but fail to see how these Islamic fundamentalists will be able to achieve resolution in their goal if they have none other than the general destruction of "the west"... :loopy:

Originally posted by munky
Skatiechik - You say the cooling towers are hidieous. . . i say you've never been to middlesborough. . .

theres cooling tower in bigger numbers than 2 and more uglier to boot (as they are still used). . .

I kinda like em. . . if you've been on your holidays and you see them at the side of the viaduct. . you know your home. . . and the fact that they're still there, though not used, and the fact that theres a mass of water in one of em and someones gone to the effort to put a boat in it. . .

Often thought it'd be a cool place for absailing lessons. . .

Can I ask where I said they were hideous?

I said I hate driving past them incase they go BOOM BOOM. :) I didn't say anything about whether I liked or disliked them.

Sheffield is unlikely to be a target.

Think of the other areas affected - NYC, Madrid, Istanbul et al - these are world famous cities and people universally know which country they belong to. If Sheffield was attacked, it would likely elicit a Who? Where? type response which isn't, IMO, what terrorist groups like Al-Quaeda are hoping to achieve.

We should relax and feel safe in the relative anonymity of our city.

I disagree totally with everyone who thinks Sheffield would not be a worthwhile target for a 'respectable terrorist group'. (since when did any terrorist have any respectability?)

All major capitol cities around the world are fast becoming tightly buttoned up from a security point of view. Soon it will be very difficult for these 'respectable' people to mount their attacks there.
When home security became the norm on most houses, burglars started to break into sheds and garages to steal equipment from there. Thats a fact.
Terrorists of the al quaeda ilk are only interested in killing westerners. Thats all. They arent all that interested in damaging property unless its because of a spectacular like on 9/11. So, in my view, its only a matter of time before they start attacking less secure target cities, like Sheffield.

After all, there are plenty of us potential victims walking around thinking that the tartget will be London and ignoring all those suspect packages.

I would consider Sheffield as being a possibe target.
It may sound weird but sheffield is a major city in holding popular sports events with all the new modern facilities so i recon this would be a major spot as people from further affar than sheffield would be attending events held here. Also as a couple of people have said the viaduct would be a major one in conjunction with meadowhall. :(

saying this i hope the manchester stadium is ok when i go to see the chillii peppers :(

Originally posted by fuzbuz
I would consider Sheffield as being a possibe target.
It may sound weird but sheffield is a major city in holding popular sports events with all the new modern facilities so i recon this would be a major spot as people from further affar than sheffield would be attending events held here. Also as a couple of people have said the viaduct would be a major one in conjunction with meadowhall. :(

saying this i hope the manchester stadium is ok when i go to see the chillii peppers :(

The sods better not bomb hyde park while i'm watching chili's!!!!

At least the football grounds in Sheffield aren't much of a target at the moment ;)

Wouldn't like to think about the consequences at Old Trafford though. They would get loads of Londoners there too!

Londerners and chinese i heard from studies 1/4 of the Man u fans are chinese and japanese!

Nah seriously its kinda scary! but not much chance eh?? i hope :(

If you do searches for certain things related to Sheffield this site comes up as number one in the list, and i think they will do a bit of research before doing anything.

Nice that you give them ideas of excactly where to do, just in case, of course.

To be honest its more of a front........."Al Queida/Bin Laden" was set up by the American government (CIA) I think its more to do with getting even......cant remember exact details......but there ya go.


Originally posted by Agent Dan
The thing that always gets me about terrorist attacks (excpet for the september 11th one) is that they could do so much more damage than they do. If, like skatiechick suggested, they went to block the M1 for example, they would cause more death and destruction and economical damage than blowing up one building...

Incidentally, has anyone actually heard what the (supposed) "Al Queida" group is campaigning for? I understand groups like ETA and IRA are campainging for independance anf freedom (from thier point of view), but fail to see how these Islamic fundamentalists will be able to achieve resolution in their goal if they have none other than the general destruction of "the west"... :loopy:

Originally posted by fuzzy
If you do searches for certain things related to Sheffield this site comes up as number one in the list, and i think they will do a bit of research before doing anything.

Nice that you give them ideas of excactly where to do, just in case, of course.

:) I can't see that we're going to tell them anything they won't already know ;)

Originally posted by Agent Dan
Incidentally, has anyone actually heard what the (supposed) "Al Queida" group is campaigning for? I understand groups like ETA and IRA are campainging for independance anf freedom (from thier point of view), but fail to see how these Islamic fundamentalists will be able to achieve resolution in their goal if they have none other than the general destruction of "the west"... :loopy:

I suppose they want the same as ETA and the IRA - for their countries (in this case, the entire Middle East) to be independent and free of occupation whether it is Israeli, American, European or Russian.

Oh yes, and it's Islamic extremism you're talking about - not fundamentalism :)

You can make a statement like the IRA want the same for their country? What about people with different beliefs living in the same place? Northern Ireland is not just catholic you know. Other religions have been there for a long time, a fact you ought to relate to.

The one thing that terrorists want is life. Whether it be London, New York, Madrid etc.. It's news coverage for them. It gives them publicity whilst pushing fear into the western world. Why does it sound silly to say that Sheffield may be a target?
Terrorists have the latest technology at their hands with big money coming in from various associations around the world. They can strike anywhere, like they did on 9/11/01. Who expected that. If you'd told anyone a week before that the twin towers would be hit by aeroplanes and destroyed, would they have told you it was a stupid suggestion?.
Always expect the unexpected, who would have expected a nightclub in Bali!!? No where is 100% safe, I suppose all we can do is carry on living but be vigilant with it.

Originally posted by dragonsoup
You can make a statement like the IRA want the same for their country? What about people with different beliefs living in the same place? Northern Ireland is not just catholic you know. Other religions have been there for a long time, a fact you ought to relate to.

:confused:

You seem to have misunderstood my post. I wrote the groups wanted their countries to be independent and / or free of military occupation.

Where did I equate this to wanting to expel or kill civilians of other religions?

Muslims and Jews lived side by side in Spain hundreds of years ago. It is possible for people of other faiths to live amongst each other in peace and security. The problems usually occur when one group imposes its will on the other by force.

Sorry to digress from the main point, but I think I know where this thread is heading...

Originally posted by Tony
At least the football grounds in Sheffield aren't much of a target at the moment ;)

Wouldn't like to think about the consequences at Old Trafford though. They would get loads of Londoners there too!

Speaking of which, I heard a rumour that Osama bin Laden may be hiding in the Sheffield Wednesday* trophy cabinet.

It's the perfect place when you think about it. After all, it has remained undisturbed for many years!

(*Wednesday fans can substitute United here if they wish)

The conversation will go whichever way you decide to twist it, Abdul as you seem to be about to produce the old trump card that can end all arguments and stop people from speaking what they feel.

I heard that the UK although it contains one of only 5 global cities (i.e. London) and thus making it a likely target for "terrorism" is probably one of the least likely targets for attack.

Why? well wasn't it on channel 4 news that Abu Qatada
(the radical Islam cleric from London) was possibly working for MI5 up until the late 90's, giving them intelligence as to the likely regional mood and feeling and perhaps possible 'grapevine' info. on any possible planned extremist attacks originating or being networked through the UK?

In other words whatever his recent allegations against him - such as instilling discourses of extremist fundamentalism on suceptable young minds - his covert ethos was to keep any possible terror attacks away from Britain, as not to alert the relevant security agencies to his dealings with training and preaching out-of-context Islam views and readings from the Koran; of a world years ago when Islam as a faith was under-fire and its people at risk of physical persecution, compared to a modern day "threat" of Western culture (which in my opinion isn't a threat as everbody ((even extremist Muslims claim)) has free rational choice as what to think, how to live, whether to drink or be promiscuous, to watch or not watch telly etc).

Add to this Britains' (up to very recently) multi-cultural ethnic integration policy and more to the point its lax immigration controls (not that I'm attacking multiculturalism - as Britain wouldn't be such a tolerant nation without it as an ideal) such that let some of the pilots of the 9/11 to move freely between the U.S. and the UK and other European places unsuspected - you can perhaps wonder if the supposed 'Al Qeada' org. would risk loosing its western European terrorist networking 'hub' (the UK - especially with its special links and insider info with the US) by planting backpacks full of C-4 or whatever in the middle of the London underground or where-ever.

It may be a sick way to look at it, but with regards to a terror threat I don't think Al-Qeada would risk it, less loose their major Western 'host' and the benefits it unknowingly provides to its Extremist Muslim Virus/ infection, that continues to blacken Islam respectability and credability world-wide.

Finally, Sheffield is a city, the seventh or eight biggest in Britain (sorry Black_Soul), and so if our worst fears did come true (which is entirely possible - don't be naive) I'm sure the buggers might try the old missile silo on the way out of Sheffers which I'm sure still contain some radioactive arms (yes nuclear) which with a bit of whatever (explosive) might cause a major melt-down in South Yorkshire as well as cause some serious probs for the wider UK and Europe.

I'm boring myself now, but don't live as if anything and everthing's a bomb, you could as someone else has said be run over tomorrow by a complete stranger, let alone a terrorist.

Chin-up! and God-bless (thats all religions and their version of the almighty whoever eg God, Allah, Buddha, Krishna etc) Sheffield.

Originally posted by dragonsoup
The conversation will go whichever way you decide to twist it, Abdul as you seem to be about to produce the old trump card that can end all arguments and stop people from speaking what they feel.

Oh, you mean the race card...sorry but I don't do that - especially on the Sheffield forum.

And I'd find it disturbing (not to mention presumptous) if you ever thought I would.

I simply could not understand the meaning of your post:

'You can make a statement like the IRA want the same for their country? What about people with different beliefs living in the same place? Northern Ireland is not just catholic you know. Other religions have been there for a long time, a fact you ought to relate to.'


But your responses provoked more questions than they answer. And now we're really going off topic...

Originally posted by Mags 23

Add to this Britains' (up to very recently) multi-cultural ethnic integration policy and more to the point its lax immigration controls (not that I'm attacking multiculturalism - as Britain wouldn't be such a tolerant nation without it as an ideal) such that let some of the pilots of the 9/11 to move freely between the U.S. and the UK and other European places unsuspected - you can perhaps wonder if the supposed 'Al Qeada' org. would risk loosing its western European terrorist networking 'hub' (the UK - especially with its special links and insider info with the US) by planting backpacks full of C-4 or whatever in the middle of the London underground or where-ever.

It may be a sick way to look at it, but with regards to a terror threat I don't think Al-Qeada would risk it, less loose their major Western 'host' and the benefits it unknowingly provides to its Extremist Muslim Virus/ infection, that continues to blacken Islam respectability and credability world-wide.



I agree. It's the reason why there hasn't been a strike thus far. Any sort of attack would mean an increase in security checks which is the last thing Al-Qeada want.

I suppose they want the same as ETA and the IRA - for their countries (in this case, the entire Middle East) to be independent and free of occupation whether it is Israeli, American, European or Russian.

Oh yes, and it's Islamic extremism you're talking about - not fundamentalism


Look at the above quote abdul, the country quoted i.e. Northern Ireland does not belong to the IRA but to a diversity of races and religions Think carefully about what you say.
If I said that it was o.k. for the Israelis to blow up some scumbag who pretended to be in a wheelchair would that atone for all the atrocities commited in the name of the IRA or any other terrorist group?

p.s. praying at every opportunity and having it blaring over f..kin.
loudspeakers first thing in the morning now that is both extreme and fundamentalist and what does it matter which way you are pointing if god is that clever? surely he knows which way your are pointing

Ban me

in the case of Eta, it would ne nice to know exactly what they aim to achieve being as the majority of Spain's wealth is in Catalonia.

I suppose its lucky that Sheffield doesn't have a hugely busy train station or airport.

I don't think Sheffield would be a preferred target as the whole place seems too dispersed to create enough havoc. London is very dense, as is Brum and I think if somewhere is hit, it's likely to be one of them two cities.

praying at every opportunity and having it blaring over f..kin.

Well Dragon, first Muslims pray not to their time table but what is prescribed to them by the Book, five times a day. Not every opportunity. There is a law, a jurisprudence Muslims follows. That's the first. Its discipline and many white and other races entering Islam because of its discipline instead of wishy washy..prtay when yah feel like it and when yah want something.

About the call of of prayer which is called 'Azzaan'. It is done so to unite the people, and all walk as one. It's not to remind God nor to show he's clever but remind the people i.e Muslims, their duty to Him. Whether u believe in him or not, ain't really my business nor am I bothered. JUst straightening any misconceptions of Islam and terroism is one of them that ain't in the book called Qur'an.

If your not bothered then why explain it?
Can you let me have some of those postcards Ive seen in lots of vehicles around Sheffield saying nasty things about Ariel Sharon, if youve got any of course.

Originally posted by Killian
in the case of Eta, it would ne nice to know exactly what they aim to achieve being as the majority of Spain's wealth is in Catalonia.

ETA only aim to cause chaos. They know their support is limited and that they can never get what they want. The wealth of Catalonia has nothing to do with it. ETA are indiscriminate. They just like to cause mayhem.

They have targeted Catalonia before and will do again. The only pattern they seem to stick to is that they operate in Madrid, for obvious reasons. or in the Catalonian speaking area of Spain - right down the east coast as far as Valencia and in the Balearics where a version of Catalan is spoken.

As Spain is made up of autonomous regions - Catalonia being by far the most independent - ETA cannot have a ommon strategy which expalains their indiscriminate actions.

The majority of the Basques ignore them.

So ETA don't actually have any aims except causing chaos. seems rather odd to me. incidentally, Benidorm, which they targeted last year is in the Alicante region, further south than Valencia and not in the Catalan speaking region of Spain.

Originally posted by Sam Miguel
ETA only aim to cause chaos. They know their support is limited and that they can never get what they want. The wealth of Catalonia has nothing to do with it. ETA are indiscriminate. They just like to cause mayhem.

They have targeted Catalonia before and will do again. The only pattern they seem to stick to is that they operate in Madrid, for obvious reasons. or in the Catalonian speaking area of Spain - right down the east coast as far as Valencia and in the Balearics where a version of Catalan is spoken.

As Spain is made up of autonomous regions - Catalonia being by far the most independent - ETA cannot have a ommon strategy which expalains their indiscriminate actions.

The majority of the Basques ignore them.

The new Spanish administration are adopting a strong 'no compromises' approach to terrorists so if ETA continue, then it'll simply confirm that they are pure terrorists, not a terrorist separatist organisation.

Dont want to sound ignorant or owt is basques the m things that women wear when theyve got susbenders on an that cos there areight them ar lass waint wear one though cos she says I dont deserve it. Not bothered really as shes a fat ****.

Just to bring the debate back to Sheffield and away from the Basque region does anybody remember the bomb alerts we used to have in the 70's? On several occasions the markets were evacuated due to a bomb scare but it didn't stop people getting on with their lives.

Small boys playing footie in the park, jumpers for goal posts, god I feel old.

Yes, greeeeat 70s band.
U aint sen nothin yet

B.B.B. baby you just aint seen nothin yet
heres somethin, heres somethin you never gonna forget
Its a basque an a pair of fishnets..duuuu..dduuuuu

What is the name of that song? itll be in me ead for weeks
Nighty night

Another rum & coke for dragonsoup . . I dont think so. Go to bed and sober up my friend.

What you on about LESTAT?

Its not alcohol or drugs , its natural madness. Anyway your not me dad or my 'freind'. patronising git

Originally posted by dragonsoup
What you on about LESTAT?

Its not alcohol or drugs , its natural madness. Anyway your not me dad or my 'freind'. patronising git

Patronising, maybe. But if you will talk [****] , it's the least you can expect :)

If you think I talk crap you need to look harder at some of the posts.
At least my [****] is brief and to the point, not 5 paraghraphs plus cut and paste additions.

I totally agree with Black Soul Sheffield is not a major city Manchester definitely is, and is more likely to be bombed than Sheffield without a doubt, terrorists want to do something that makes an impact and is memorable

Originally posted by dragonsoup
If you think I talk crap you need to look harder at some of the posts.
At least my [****] is brief and to the point, not 5 paraghraphs plus cut and paste additions.

well, i for one appreciated you trying to make light of yet another dreary, political topic, but then i don't need a sense of humour transplant.

Anyway there is no such thing as an ideal target...terrorism is not a war,its about death,nor is it in anyway about millitary interests.
Just plain death and destruction of anyone as long as it is in large numbers.

So the my city is bigger than your city c**p and we have nicer stuff,doesnt matter a jot to these people.
Just as long as there is a stack of people to be killed in one go is enough.

Its all about shock

If terroists were planning to bomb Sheffield, Meadowhall would probably be the prime target. It's always packed with hundreds of people at the weekend - (easy for a sucide bomber to walk in unnoticed.

Obviously, other indoor shopping centres such as the Trafford Centre would also be a prime target, as people would find it hard to escape if a bomb went off.

I for one, am always cautious whenever I go shopping there.

why dont we call this thread....lets suggest targets for would be attackers

Originally posted by tango2
why dont we call this thread....lets suggest targets for would be attackers

how about Bernard Manning as a target and then we'd be able to close that stupid thread about him.

Originally posted by dragonsoup
At least my [****] is brief and to the point, not 5 paraghraphs plus cut and paste additions.

better it be longer and more in-depth than off-the-cuff and beating around the bush

short enough for you dragonwyner?

better it be longer and more in-depth than off-the-cuff and beating around the bush


Oooh errr missus. I find you need a little depth when really beating the bush. For those solitary moments off the cuffs o.k. with a video one finds. Less starch is required, even on the collar sometimes oooohhhh the jangling of the cufflinks.. the silent reaching for the .STOP

Originally posted by Joanna
If terroists were planning to bomb Sheffield, Meadowhall would probably be the prime target. It's always packed with hundreds of people at the weekend - (easy for a sucide bomber to walk in unnoticed.

Obviously, other indoor shopping centres such as the Trafford Centre would also be a prime target, as people would find it hard to escape if a bomb went off.

I for one, am always cautious whenever I go shopping there.

Just how can you be cautious in Meadowhall, without resorting to ridiculous dress sense. Short of being aware of others around you and unattended packages, there's not much else you can do surely?

To tango2 - terrorists won't need our input, they'll already have all the connections they need and if they have read this thread, may be aware now that we too are aware of these potential targets and are more vigilant these days.

Sheffield...You have to move away from it to value it. As for all the 'big-town small-timers', do you have close communities like Sheffield! We are all at risk....I fear for the summer, the Euro Champs and Olympics. How far is Madrid from Portugal and Greece...? By the way, I've lived in London and it was great, the East End just like another East End I remember....Life must carry on though and what will be will be, we can't do anything about it. Enjoy Sheffield.

Originally posted by Joanna
If terroists were planning to bomb Sheffield, Meadowhall would probably be the prime target. It's always packed with hundreds of people at the weekend - (easy for a sucide bomber to walk in unnoticed.

Obviously, other indoor shopping centres such as the Trafford Centre would also be a prime target, as people would find it hard to escape if a bomb went off.

I for one, am always cautious whenever I go shopping there.

Aren't we getting a little paranoid here? As far as I'm aware, there has never been a suicide bomber incident on the British mainland - and probably not in N.Ireland either.

And even if it ever happens, to suggest that terrorists would choose Meadowhall above all those juicy targets in London suggests delusions of grandeur and overestimates the importance of our humble city.

Mind you, I wouldn't mind seeing The Pound Shop levelled (joke!!!)

Sheffield not big enough - come on the IRA bombed Warrington much smaller than sheffield IMHO.

Originally posted by tas1
Sheffield not big enough - come on the IRA bombed Warrington much smaller than sheffield IMHO.

I'm not saying it couldn't happen. I'd just feel a lot safer at Meadowhall than anywhere in Central London

Originally posted by Lestat
London is probably one of the worst cities in Europe for crime, poverty and lack of educated citizens.
its also got one of the biggest populations, so is still more of a terrorist target. same for manchester and birmingham, i dont think sheffield is at major risk, personally i think any attacks will be on the underground in london

Originally posted by thenewborn
... personally i think any attacks will be on the underground in london

I appreciate that you're entitled to your opinion, but you can't have spent more than a few minutes thinking about that one! If they were going to target the underground, surely they'd have done it already? Security there is now stepped up so high (especially following previous IRA attempts to blow it up in the last decade or two) it would be almost impossible to do it...

They need a less obvious target if they're going to get away with it, and the home office IS moving to Sheffield... I say we're still viable as a target (especially as internationally sheffield is still well known for it's glory days as the city of steel)

A few months after 9/11 they did a major incident reconstruction here out and around the airport - on the waste ground where the business park is slowly being built.

Had mobile de-contamination units, bomb-disposing robot, army, fire, ambulence, police the works!

Even had a road block at lunch stopping all the traffic on the parkway.

They did warn the office staff so we weren't concerned.

No, not paranoid, just thinking sensibly. By the way, that's what the terroists want us to think, that they'd bomb the obvious target; that being London. Then when other places least expect it, they'd then attack them.

Originally posted by Lestat
You're right Chez, but i do think the only reason we can say that is because we haven't experienced anything as yet.
The Americans were all high and mighty before 9/11 but once that happened on their doorstep, their lives changed forever. Their security now is unbelievable. Do you remember the English woman who got arrested at the airport for joking that there was a bomb in her suitcase because she got so tired of the constant checks.
I suppose it's like you say, try not to think about it. It's just abit hard when it's all thats ever in the news these days.

After being too NYC recently I have too say the checks here in england are better than the usa. Also in NYC they hardly talk about a threat of terrorism, the only thing on the news was about the madrid bombing (i flew out there the day after the bombing) my hand luggage was xrayed at heathrow, not checked at all at JFK. My main luggage was hand checked at heathrow (we were picked out of the line at chackin) and was hand checked by security staff at JFK, we know due to them putting a sticker on our bags.

Originally posted by Agent Dan
I appreciate that you're entitled to your opinion, but you can't have spent more than a few minutes thinking about that one! If they were going to target the underground, surely they'd have done it already? Security there is now stepped up so high (especially following previous IRA attempts to blow it up in the last decade or two) it would be almost impossible to do it...

They need a less obvious target if they're going to get away with it, and the home office IS moving to Sheffield... I say we're still viable as a target (especially as internationally sheffield is still well known for it's glory days as the city of steel)
Why not a suicide bomber no problem, they don't stop and search every one of the million people who use the underground everyday

Originally posted by Joanna
No, not paranoid, just thinking sensibly. By the way, that's what the terroists want us to think, that they'd bomb the obvious target; that being London. Then when other places least expect it, they'd then attack them.

That is exactly my way of thinking.

Nowhere is safe - but the most vulnerable locations of all are those which think they're the safest.

And, please, think before you post: don't let's give anyone any ideas.

Keep away from crowded venues, anywhere where it would attract bombers, nightclubs, festivals, concerts, where dozens or hundreds of people gather, it is unlikely they would target waste bins, although even that is a possibility.

Had a quick flick through the thread and all I want to say is "soft targets"... unsuspecting, almost complacent locals thinking it isn't going to happen there...Whateva!

Like someone else said, who'd have thought a Bali nightclub would be targetted? I'm sure it would have affected the local economy as presumably its popularity as a tourist hotspot fell. Similarly, grounding planes due to security threats or breaches hits companies and countries financially, even when there isn't any loss of life, it's still sort of effective. Lay low for a while, allow people to rest on their laurels, and then...surprise!

You can't live your live worrying about it cos when your time's up...

Originally posted by Sam Miguel

And, please, think before you post: don't let's give anyone any ideas.

I agree fully SM.

Lets keep quiet about the sheer devastation that a 1000lb bomb would cause if detonated at about 3am Sunday at the Castle Markets site.

Any terrorists reading this, please, please don't bomb the Castle Markets at 3am. We beg you.

(Unless of course you really want to, then we can't really stop you can we):thumbsup:

Everybody would EXCEPT somewhere like London to be the next target, which is exactly why it will be somewhere like Sheffield or Leeds or Birmingham next. Security in London is so tight at the moment, it's probably safer than here. I wouldn't be put off going there, you can't live your life in fear of things like this, as real the threat may be.

An American friend of mine said that security near his local airport in the USA for about a year or so after 9/11 was so tight you couldn't get within 2 miles of it without going through rigorous checks. Yet when he came over here about 3 months ago the same airport (I think it was near St Louis?) had hardly any security at all apart from routine bag inspections. In the wake of such a tragedy or perceived threat people panic and security is hiked up - then gradually they let their guard down...until next time that is. So who's next?

i've seen more security in an afganistani toilet than in sheffield

just my opnion

if there are terrorsist reading this please, please, please if you are considering sheffield as your next stop think about a place called MANOR TOP

wink wink

i'm sure it won't be missed.

Originally posted by black_soul
Well i am from London and i dont consider Sheffield to be a city. As for Manchester City well Manchester is a proper city. but you are correct anywhere can be a target......

Errrm.....Sheffield is the 4 or 5th bigest city in the UK. I may not be correct, but it is one of the bigest cities so I beleive that it would be somewhere on a terorists list. Note I said "city" Sheffield is a city mr black! and don't forget it.

Don't me wrong I do love this city but it has its bad areas and I'm glad I dont have to use public transport to go through them or walk through them. e.g. "mannor", "wybourne", "Pitsmoore", "Darnall" etc. you know what areas I'm refering to.

If the de-centralisation of goverment departments happens and we end up with some of them in Sheffield as proposed we may become more of a target for an attack.....one of the other places is Meadowhall especialy round christmas time when its packed....think of the mayhem it would cause if a device was to go off in such a crowded place..the evacuation of the building would be a nightmare

I have to think that If a bomb were to go off in Meadowhall, it would be a question of sifting through the rubble and checking dental records rather than trying to evacuate the building...just imagine, you'd be finding kappa tarcksuits and basball caps as far away as Doncaster.

I think terrorist attacks against the west would become very rare if Israel did the decent thing and pulled out of a country where it doesn't belong in the first place.
Aggression toward western countries is almost always backed up by the Palestine situation. Enough trouble has been caused around the world due to Israeli occupation and violence. Now building a wall and pushing out the original citizens of the country really isn't going to help matters.
They should look at the effect such actions are causing worldwide and for once think about others instead of themselves.

Originally posted by Carmine
I have to think that If a bomb were to go off in Meadowhall, it would be a question of sifting through the rubble and checking dental records rather than trying to evacuate the building...just imagine, you'd be finding kappa tarcksuits and basball caps as far away as Doncaster. As one who seems to get criticised for nearly everything that I post, may I say to you that your post is very snobbish. Stay on Ecclesall Road South if you dont like mixing with the working classes.

Just to clarify, Sheffield is the 5th biggest city in the UK and 4th in England.

London
Birmingham
Glasgow
Manchester
Sheffield
Leeds

I don't think i've seen a simgle Kappa tracksuit since moving to Sheffield, so the statement probably is a bit far fetched.

Everywhere has its *****s, you cant judge someone purely based on what they wear, although its sometimes easier!

I'm detracting from the point, i'm surprised the historic town hall hasnt been suggested - I'm guessing they wont be aware of the airport!

KAPPA IS SOOOOOOOO 97/98

I THINK WHAT YOU MEANT TO SAY WAS FAKE BURBERRY CAPS AND EVISU JEANS

THATS WHAT THE KIDS ARE WEARING NOWADAYS

now this terrorist thing, i don't think terrorrists would even look at sheffield cos noone sees sheffield as a major city i don't care what you say Leeds get more coverage for goodness sake. we need to ask ourselves why is that?

well i'll tell ya

1. they don't have a decent football team anymore
2. they get dumped with 60% of the asylum seekers that come to britain
3. crime rate is up 7%
4. the city centre is a shambles
5. only a few decent clubs

NOW A TERRORIST LOOKING AT SHEFFIELD NOW WOULD THINK 'I WON'T BOTHER LOOKS LIKE SOMEONE ALREADY DONE THIS PLACE + THEY ARE SURROUNDED BY DONCASTER, BARNSLEY AND ROTHERHAM, THEY ARE SUFFERING ENOUGH ALREADY.

THANX

Foolali, Sheffield is only given less coverage because the Look North studio's are in Leeds. I remember when Wednesday were in the Premiership and were winning almost every week, you could guarantee that they'd get 30 seconds of coverage and Leeds would get about 5 minutes! including interviews with their manager, players etc . . . In the eyes of the TV people, Sheffield has always been 2nd best even though it's a much nicer place.

While at work today I had the radio that is attached to most stores in the city centre. About 1 o clock Wilkinsons came on the radio and said that they had a phone call from somebody saying that there was a bomb in the castlegate area. The police were called etc and i just wanted to know if any one else knew about it? did you see the police?? did they find anything?

ps. I've looked on the news websites etc and theres no coverage of this threat at all.

Al Queada (or however you spell it) have reportedly given the West a 3 months window before its next on-slaught.

Well thank you very much you s**ts

Who made you god, jury and executioners anyway.

Originally posted by black_soul
Well i am from London and i dont consider Sheffield to be a city. As for Manchester City well Manchester is a proper city. but you are correct anywhere can be a target......

Of course Sheffield is a city. I worked & lived in Sheffield some years ago. How I wish I had never left.

Originally posted by Mags 23
Al Queada (or however you spell it) have reportedly given the West a 3 months window before its next on-slaught.

Well thank you very much you s**ts

Who made you god, jury and executioners anyway.

They've denied that to the Yanks, and apparently quite a few European leaders have told Bin Liner (Laden I mean) to get lost.... Unsurprisingly including our very own Tony Blair... Honestly the man's a complete muppet!

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Originally posted by fooali
i've seen more security in an afganistani toilet than in sheffield

just my opnion

Ah, you would be suprised! It's just most of the security activity is subtle and goes on in the background un-noticed.

Thats very true Andy, the police raids in London prove that. Who'd have thought the bomb suspects were under surveillance for over 9 months!

ever thought why would they bomb us for starters we have 2 football clubs, donvalley stadium, arena, pondsforge, meadowhall, if either of the sporting venues were to be bombed then its international intrest ie foreign competitors. international relations, so yes we could have a problem.
they bombed the manchester shopping centre meadowhall is always busy

Friday, 31-Oct-2003 7:15AM PST Story from AFP
Copyright 2003 by Agence France-Presse (via ClariNet)

LONDON, Oct 31 (AFP) -

British police said Friday they were questioning four men
arrested in raids under terrorism legislation, but were quick to rule out any threat to the public.

Property was seized in the raids Tuesday on three addresses in and around the city of Sheffield, northern England, police said.

"No information is available to say that there is any risk to the public regarding these arrests," a South Yorkshire police spokesman said in a written statement.

"Although no details of the property are being released, we can say no hazardous substances, weapons or ammunition were recovered."

The men, who have not been named, were arrested under the Terrorism Act 2000 in raids carried out by South Yorkshire Police and officers from Scotland Yard's anti-terrorist branch.

"The men are still being questioned by police who on Wednesday were granted a further 72 hours to question them by a district judge at Sheffield Magistrates Court," the police spokesman said.

bcp/sjw Britain-arrests

i wish people would stop walking around living in fear of terrorism, the possibility of an attack will always be there, and when has it actually not (IRA, plane hijackings etc). get on with your lives and try not to worry, dont let them ruin your lives, because the whole idea of terrorism is fear,so your letting them win by saying "im not getting on a plane incase its hijacked"

Last Updated: Tuesday, 20 April, 2004, 05:47 GMT 06:47 UK

Police are continuing to question 10 people arrested following a series of anti-terror raids. Six men and one woman were held in Manchester and three others elsewhere.

They were arrested under the Terrorism Act 2000 on suspicion of involvement in the commission, preparation or instigation of acts of terrorism.

More than 400 police from the Greater Manchester, Staffordshire, West Midlands and

**South Yorkshire**

forces took part in the operation.

Security services and the Metropolitan police anti-terrorism branch were also involved.

Just live your life. All this plays into the hands of the terrorists. They WANT you to be wary of a shadow, a bag, a pile of rubbish.

Get on that train. Get on that bus. Get on that plane.

******** to the lot of them.

Go out into the world and live.