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ANGELUS
14-02-2006, 06:20 PM
Apparently we (MU) do not want the worlds youngest and best talent according to Sir Alex Ferguson.

WHY?

I have watched Freddy for many years and he - for me - is the brightest talent on the planet for his age, pele has already marked him out to be the best player in the world when he gets older.

Why do we not want him at Man Utd?

It is a bit worrying for me I have to say if this is the way the club is going.

Yes- Chelski are interested (surprise surprise) but we must have the upper hand because Adu has been a long time Man Utd fan since a child.

Come on Alex, get the chequebook out for this wonderkid.

Guderian
14-02-2006, 06:58 PM
You are going overboard Angelus. He is not the worlds best young talent.
Although still only young, he has not lived up to early expectations.

I saw him interviewed last year where he claimed to be a Chelsea fan.
Stick him on the bonfire with Jon Obi Mikkel.

Guderian
14-02-2006, 06:59 PM
Is this the same Pele who tipped Colombia to win the World Cup a few years back?
Or who said Steve McManaman was a great player?

And that Nicky Butt was player of the 2002 World Cup?

spyro2000
14-02-2006, 07:01 PM
Is this the same Pele who tipped Colombia to win the World Cup a few years back?
Or who said Steve McManaman was a great player?

And that Nicky Butt was player of the 2002 World Cup?


He also said an African nation would win it :loopy:

wibbles
14-02-2006, 07:02 PM
Just how many years have you been watching this 16 year old??
As for being a lifelong Man U fan, it doesn't really matter much a fan of a club they are when they see mulit-million pound contracts thrust in front of them.
Anyway all this talk of the next big thing tends to be absolute nonsense. I remember a time when a certain Matthew Etherington was the supposed new thing that was going to take the footballing world by storm...mmm

Guderian
14-02-2006, 07:20 PM
Adu is 16. He has an outside chance of getting into the USA World Cup Squad.
If he had fulfilled his early potential, he would have been in the team.

For an attacking player, 4 goals from 16 starts in the MLS is hardly fantastic.
And you must remember it is largely the US press building him up.
They have never had anything like it before.
Doesnt mean he is a World beater.

spyro2000
14-02-2006, 07:21 PM
Dont forget the MLS is crap aswell.

Even worse than the SPL

Leigh
15-02-2006, 12:44 AM
Is this the same Pele who tipped Colombia to win the World Cup a few years back?
Or who said Steve McManaman was a great player?

And that Nicky Butt was player of the 2002 World Cup?

And the same man, who a few years back, said he would choose Heskey if he could pick one England player for brazil.

spyro2000
15-02-2006, 12:56 AM
Looks like Pele doesnt know Jack about football to me.

ANGELUS
15-02-2006, 02:47 AM
You are going overboard Angelus. He is not the worlds best young talent.
Although still only young, he has not lived up to early expectations.

I saw him interviewed last year where he claimed to be a Chelsea fan.
Stick him on the bonfire with Jon Obi Mikkel.

Once again- I beg to differ with you Gud.
Adu is widely recognised as the worlds top young talent and has been for many years.

He is only young very true at 16- then again look at Rooney, and I do recall watching Ronaldinho come to the fore and thinking the same thing as I do now as I do watching Adu.

Also- I recall Marcello Salas back in his youth - and thinking the same thing as well.

All of the players were young and you can tell that they have something you dont normally see- even Rooney- had a certain something that was evident from watching him early on.

Its like a spark, they can change games in an instant with one touch or a killer pass.

I have never seen Adu claim to be a chelski fan- but if you can find proof I would like to see it if I may as I know that Freddy has been long admired by us and I know he has been a longtime man utd fan since childhood- and I know also he idolised Eric Cantona (dont we all :) )

Obi Mikkel - does have a certain something about him- time will tell if he ends up with us, I hope he does.

ANGELUS
15-02-2006, 02:53 AM
And that Nicky Butt was player of the 2002 World Cup?

Pele said that Nicky Butt was englands best player at the 2002 world cup not the player of the tournament.

Guderian
15-02-2006, 12:47 PM
Obviously the only proof would be a recording of him saying it, but I can find you US internet sites claiming he had said it last summer.

Here's one:

http://www.comcast.net/sports/soccer/index.jsp?cat=SOCCER&fn=/2006/02/07/320984.html

Agent Gypo
15-02-2006, 12:47 PM
Once again- I beg to differ with you Gud.
Adu is widely recognised as the worlds top young talent and has been for many years..

No he's not. He's a decent prospect but has not been widely recognised as the worlds top talent for any amount of time. Methinks you've been playing too much Football Manager, where he becomes incredible. However, it is important to remember that Football Manager is only a game, and while it aims to reflect the real football world, it shouldn't be taken at face value.

ANGELUS
15-02-2006, 03:00 PM
No he's not. He's a decent prospect but has not been widely recognised as the worlds top talent for any amount of time. Methinks you've been playing too much Football Manager, where he becomes incredible. However, it is important to remember that Football Manager is only a game, and while it aims to reflect the real football world, it shouldn't be taken at face value.

http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=363185&CPID=8&CLID=1&lid=&title=Fergie+denies+Adu+interest&channel=premiership
Taken from sky sports.

See the part that says The Ghanaian-born DC United starlet has been heralded as world football's coming talent for nigh-on three years, despite the fact he is still only 16 and recently won his first international cap.

Thats for starters..

Check out http://users.rcn.com/jizen/freddy/ if you dont think he is that good as well.

PS: For the record, I rarely play FM now.. because I have no interest in beating a game which is quite easy for me to win. It got boring after a while.

ANGELUS
15-02-2006, 03:01 PM
No he's not. He's a decent prospect but has not been widely recognised as the worlds top talent for any amount of time. Methinks you've been playing too much Football Manager, where he becomes incredible. However, it is important to remember that Football Manager is only a game, and while it aims to reflect the real football world, it shouldn't be taken at face value.

Just out of interest- who does Guderian/Mr Gypo think is the worlds best talent?

scottf
15-02-2006, 03:35 PM
If alex doesn't think he is good enough then id trust his judgement over yours mate :lol:

ANGELUS
15-02-2006, 03:49 PM
If alex doesn't think he is good enough then id trust his judgement over yours mate :lol:

At the minute - Alex's track record with his judgement on players has been crap at best.. although our new signings will come good as they are very good players.

Trust me - we need players like Adu onboard - and for my reckoning as well I think we are going to go for him.

Think of it this way- he is the USA's best player by far, think of the amount of income that we could generate over here by buying the guy and then selling his merchandise in the states.

We already have a link up with the Yankees selling our stuff over there and I'm sure there is a link up with Tampa Bay as well to sell our merchandise.

The glaziers are not stupid and will know of Freddy- I'd be very surprised if he does not come to us.

spyro2000
15-02-2006, 03:55 PM
Maybe you should be the next Man Utd manager Angelus. You seem to know it all :roll:

ANGELUS
15-02-2006, 04:02 PM
Maybe you should be the next Man Utd manager Angelus. You seem to know it all :roll:

I was thinking the exact same thing spyro!
I'd love the job - seriously.

I'd turn around the club no problems at all.

Or if not the manager, I'd make a cracking talent scout going around the world hunting down the best talent.

JFKvsNixon
15-02-2006, 04:25 PM
I was thinking the exact same thing spyro!
I'd love the job - seriously.

I'd turn around the club no problems at all.

Or if not the manager, I'd make a cracking talent scout going around the world hunting down the best talent.

Says the man who doesn't rate Lampard or Terry :loopy:

Guderian
15-02-2006, 05:19 PM
I can name a more exciting prospect!

Jean Carlos Chera! (aged 9/10)

Do some research Angelus......
Adu is far too obvious - he clearly hasnt exploded like these experts predicted he would when he was 12/13.

http://www.jean-carlos-chera.com/

spyro2000
15-02-2006, 05:21 PM
My son (age 3) is the worlds greatest prospect.

ANGELUS
15-02-2006, 05:31 PM
I can name a more exciting prospect!

Jean Carlos Chera! (aged 9)

Do some research Angelus......
Adu is far too obvious - he clearly hasnt exploded like these experts predicted he would when he was 12/13.

http://www.jean-carlos-chera.com/

Seen chera ages ago- seen the video that was doing the rounds.
Looks a very good talent and one for the future but we are talking about now are we not?

ADU is the here and now- not some 9 year old mate :)

Although I would love for chera to be pulling on the red jersey in the next 7 years- would be very nice.

ANGELUS
15-02-2006, 05:32 PM
My son (age 3) is the worlds greatest prospect.

A future villa player then spyro? :)

spyro2000
15-02-2006, 05:33 PM
A future villa player then spyro? :)


Nope, hes gonna play for a good team :)

ANGELUS
15-02-2006, 05:35 PM
Says the man who doesn't rate Lampard or Terry :loopy:

After seeing the result against 'boro the other day, I still think that I may be right about John Terry but the world cup is the acid test for me.
Roll on may.

Lampard is growing on me, but I still dont rate him higher than I would do say Deco or Ballack.

Time will tell what happens though in may.

Guderian
15-02-2006, 05:35 PM
Seen chera ages ago- seen the video that was doing the rounds.
Looks a very good talent and one for the future but we are talking about now are we not?

ADU is the here and now- not some 9 year old mate :)

Although I would love for chera to be pulling on the red jersey in the next 7 years- would be very nice.


Yes we are talking about now. And Freddy is nowhere near good enough now.

ANGELUS
15-02-2006, 05:40 PM
Yes we are talking about now. And Freddy is nowhere near good enough now.

So then by that comment, I take it you are saying let us pass him by and let chelski or someone else have him?

And what would you say then pray if he turns out to be the best player in the world ala Ronaldinho in a couple of years?

Would you then admit you were wrong to me?

AND yes he is good enough now - what player in his age range would you class as being good enough now then Guderian?

ALSO:

Chera- Just watched the video again while I was tapping away to you.
The kid has something, but also he is a very ball greedy player, I only saw him pass the ball a very small amount of times- I dont really want someone who does not play for the team as a whole- do you?

JFKvsNixon
15-02-2006, 05:43 PM
After seeing the result against 'boro the other day, I still think that I may be right about John Terry but the world cup is the acid test for me.
Roll on may.

Lampard is growing on me, but I still dont rate him higher than I would do say Deco or Ballack.

Time will tell what happens though in may.


So one bad game in around 5 years isn't bad. One thing I know for sure is that you would love him at ManUre.

ANGELUS
15-02-2006, 05:49 PM
So one bad game in around 5 years isn't bad. One thing I know for sure is that you would love him at ManUre.

One game in 5 years when he totally looked lost against a team who are all over the place? :)

I'd say that was a worry wouldnt you- especially with the Barca game looming.

I would not want Terry in my back line thanks- I am quite happy with Ferdinand and I will be happier even when Vidic adjusts more to the premiership.

I'll stick with what we have now- thanks though :)

spyro2000
15-02-2006, 05:53 PM
Ive got to agree with Angelus about Terry.

Yes I think he is a decent enough player, but highly overated.

Lampard however is in a class of his own.

JFKvsNixon
15-02-2006, 06:05 PM
One game in 5 years when he totally looked lost against a team who are all over the place? :)

I'd say that was a worry wouldnt you- especially with the Barca game looming.

I would not want Terry in my back line thanks- I am quite happy with Ferdinand and I will be happier even when Vidic adjusts more to the premiership.

I'll stick with what we have now- thanks though :)


Hey, with the help of Terry we only let in 3 goals against the mighty Boro! Ferdinand let in 4

This reminds me of what people used to say about Tony Adams, all the way through his carrer he was called donkey etc, it was only towards the end of his playing days he became more respected.

He had one bad game, so what. I can't recall that many other bad games or mistakes. He was also voted PFA player of the season last year, so his fellow pros obviously rate him as well.

ANGELUS
15-02-2006, 09:31 PM
Ive got to agree with Angelus about Terry.
Yes I think he is a decent enough player, but highly overated.


Cheers for that mate!

ANGELUS
15-02-2006, 09:32 PM
Hey, with the help of Terry we only let in 3 goals against the mighty Boro! Ferdinand let in 4

This reminds me of what people used to say about Tony Adams, all the way through his carrer he was called donkey etc, it was only towards the end of his playing days he became more respected.

He had one bad game, so what. I can't recall that many other bad games or mistakes. He was also voted PFA player of the season last year, so his fellow pros obviously rate him as well.

I tell you what is getting more and more obvious to me- if one of the major players in the chelski team has an off day- it usually leads to a draw.
Ie: Terry or Lampard hold the team together - if they are having an off day.
Chelski are screwed.

Leigh
15-02-2006, 11:55 PM
Chera- Just watched the video again while I was tapping away to you. The kid has something, but also he is a very ball greedy player, I only saw him pass the ball a very small amount of times- I dont really want someone who does not play for the team as a whole- do you?

He's 9 yrs old! I think that slight problem can be erased by the time he's ready for the first team, don't you?! Like that's an excuse for not buying him....some people......

Agent Gypo
16-02-2006, 10:42 AM
Angelus, if you rate Michael Ballack and Deco above Frank Lampard, you must be absolutely mad. Now I'm not saying they aren't good players, but Lampard is among the top 5 in the world at the moment and has been for the last 2 or 3 years. Neither Ballack or Deco are that good.

As for worlds hottest talent, I don't know. There have been a clutch of Brazilians and Argentinians (as usual) who have looked amazing and then gone downhill when they play in Europe recently. There's a mexican kid (who's name I can't remember for the life of me, Dos Santos?) that is regarded as an incredible prospect but other than that I don't know much about him.

The thing to remember with Adu is that while he may have a few tricks in his bag, he's untested against decent (never mind world class) opposition and his scoring record in the MLS (one of the poorest leagues in the world) is nothing to aspire to. I think you'll find there are other younger players that Europes top clubs are scrabbling for instead of Adu.

Robbie_Lovin
27-09-2006, 10:41 AM
Well Angelus...... just got this from BBC

Reading hope to sign DC United's American wonderkid Freddy Adu on loan in January with a view to a permanent £5m deal. (The Sun)

Guderian
27-09-2006, 11:11 AM
Well Angelus...... just got this from BBC


How the mighty have fallen!!

seriessix
27-09-2006, 02:04 PM
Dont forget the MLS is crap aswell.

Even worse than the SPL

Very true.

Agent Gypo
28-09-2006, 03:08 PM
Adu barely has any caps, is rarely called up to represent USA, doesn't perform to his reputation in his native league and has attracted barely any interest from European clubs.

Not quite the worlds hottest young talent....

scottishdude
28-09-2006, 11:00 PM
Says on Text that Reading are playing down this rumour.

ANGELUS
29-09-2006, 08:03 PM
Well Angelus...... just got this from BBC

Not a chance matey :)

ANGELUS
29-09-2006, 08:04 PM
How the mighty have fallen!!

And if you believe that reading rumour as well- more fool than I thought mate :)
How the mighty have risen mate more like LMAO!

Guderian
29-09-2006, 08:56 PM
Well, the very fact the papers even printed the story proves how Adu hasnt turned out to be the player you used to harp on about.

Tevez............

Robbie_Lovin
30-09-2006, 10:03 AM
Tevez............

oh come no, give tevez till end of season THEN brand him a failure. Which majority of south americans who come to this league are

ANGELUS
30-09-2006, 10:45 PM
Well, the very fact the papers even printed the story proves how Adu hasnt turned out to be the player you used to harp on about.

Tevez............

I'll remember you said that about Tevez mate I really will :D

ANGELUS
30-09-2006, 10:46 PM
oh come no, give tevez till end of season THEN brand him a failure. Which majority of south americans who come to this league are

I think him and Mascherano will surprise a few people when they come good I really do :D

Robbie_Lovin
01-10-2006, 05:34 PM
I think him and Mascherano will surprise a few people when they come good I really do :D

There's no doubting they have ability, But it's whether they adapt which so far they haven't

Guderian
01-10-2006, 10:47 PM
I think him and Mascherano will surprise a few people when they come good I really do :D

Veron had ability, bit its about mental strength as well.

Regardless of whether he settles, he has let West Ham down. They are out of Europe and Tevez did nothing.

BasilRathbon
02-10-2006, 02:06 PM
I think him and Mascherano will surprise a few people when they come good I really do :D

Maybe, just a shame it won't be at West Ham!

m^rk
02-10-2006, 04:24 PM
And if you believe that reading rumour as well- more fool than I thought mate :)
How the mighty have risen mate more like LMAO!


He might not be a fool because Reading have links with america through bobby convey and marcus hahnemann etc and maybe just maybe they could turn the tables if he wanted to come to this country.

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