Why does the council spend fortunes on Burngreave i hear all houses will get alarms and new doors..my mother has been waiting 25 years to get new windows for her house on the Shiregreen.

They built new flats in Burngreave now i see they are knocking them down why :?

I have nothing against the people who live there its the money wasted on the estate that gets me :twisted:

If you work hard and lookafter your home and play by the book in this country you get edited on by this council.
If you are an unsocable un savoury charactor pay no council tax or any other tax if that, then the council will spend money on you.
I have worded this in another way round without being accused of being discrimative but i suggest if you want a new door on your mums house she turns to drugs or breaks the law.
I,m not saying that everyone is tied with the same brush in Burngreave but there is a higher percentage that are.

Much of the funding received by Burngreave / Pitsmoor will be down to the community groups applying for it.

Aren't there any in the Shiregreen area?

My hubby lived in Burngreave a few years ago and was moved by the council after pressure from The Star and his solicitors - due to racial harrasment - which included at least two burglaries 'alledgedly' by local residents.

One of the burglaries took place at christmas and they took his daughters presents from under the tree. Happy Christmas!!!!
The police apparently said at the time there was absolutely nothing they could do about it despite being able to see the stuff through peoples windows nicely adorning their rooms - because they would be accused of being racist. :evil:

Perhaps this is a way to get round that tricky political correct problem, the idea that prevention is better than cure.

Personally I cannot comment about the area 'cos I have never been.

Moon Maiden

and nothing to do with the recent spate of drug related shooting deaths then? they may be getting money to spend on upgrading the facilities but its not exactly a nice place to live is it?

I have lived in Burngreave for 23yrs.

Aint nothing wrong with the place,it's the people....

Absolutely no respect for anything or anyone.

Although it is an inner city area, it should have long ago risen from the ashes and moved forward.

I do blame the authorities to some extent. When the police wan't good press they "do a raid" in Burngreave and then it gets shown in't Star...

As if they didn't know such activities were taking place....

You are so right that the area is fine its the people that live on it.
I was born and raised in Pitsmoor during the 60s and 70s and boy has it declined.
The trouble is this generation is not what it was during those times and people no longer have respect for property or people.

You are so right cycleracer, it is the people who live in an area that make it what it is, some of them must have been dragged up, drugs, booze, fags, gambling, whoring, it is not spending thousands of pounds on buildings that will improve a place, it is education, education, education!!!

what a delightful bunch of comments, sounds like we are well rid of you!

pitsmoor has been ignored and alowed to run down by the council & government for years, no investment, estates left to rot, it's hardly surprising that the area is in a sodding great mess is it? and the evil star hardly heplps - the only time Burngreave ever gets mentioned is for shootings, or drugs etc. If the same happens in Southey Green - or somewhere they have decided is mainly 'white', then it doesn't gt half the coverage.

Wouldn't live anywhere else meself

If you gave this thread to an outsider to read, I suspect that they would suspect that there might be some people living in Burngreave that might not be white

Call me cynic if you like.... but phrases like

"these people", "those people" and "that sort of people"

rather gives it away

You may be interested to learn that in every town and in every city in the country if not in the world, people in one part of town always think the money is spent elsewhere in the town

In Sheffield the "forgotten" estates I have heard mentioned include

Arbourthorne
Manor
Shiregreen
Firth Park
Foxhill
Basegreen
Lowedges
Jordanthorpe
Batemoor
Park Hill...

I am sure Burngreave doesnt get any more or any less than anywhere else

You would do better to call for more public spending throughout the city surely

i wish the council would buy me stuff. some of us have to pay for everything ourselves

Only certain areas in Sheffield get the lions share of money spent on them. The other day it was reported that £4m European money is to go to Southey and Owlerton.

Positive discrimination is a fine idea if you are on the receiving end but by definition it also means negative discrimation against other areas.

Look at all the money spent rebuilding Lower Manor about 10 years ago. They might as well not have bothered. The low lifes there were put in brand new houses and in no time at all were living like pigs again. Why don't they spend the money where people will appreciate it :evil:

Dug this up whilst searching for the "Shootings in the city" thread or whatever it is called.

Originally posted by pinlock
I have lived in Burngreave for 23yrs.

Aint nothing wrong with the place,it's the people....

Absolutely no respect for anything or anyone.


Yup, every city has it's "dodgy" areas - we have Thamesmead (SE18) etc. It's the people that make the district/area look bad. It doesen't help if the local autority "dump them" all in the same area. I am presuming all of the areas are all close to each other, yes? Why don't Sheff City Coucil, put some people in the north of the city, some in the south etc etc. This way you can spread the "problem" famalies around and they won't all be in the same place... it'll only be a couple of famallies that spoil it for everyone.. yes? Or are we talking about a "drug-infested" type area, and not just a - "oh it's only a bunch of 'chavs' that live there" ? If the seperation tactic works then it will stop the "ooooh... S5, wouldn't live there" Yes, ok - I'm not nocking it - I don't even know these places, but I don't think many people would choose to live in this postcode prefix, right? I think I'll end it here - as I'll get "ooh.. he doesen't live here and nocking somewhere he doesen't know" :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Originally posted by Belle

Arbourthorne
Manor
Shiregreen
Firth Park
Foxhill
Basegreen
Lowedges
Jordanthorpe
Batemoor
Park Hill


These all close together? S5?

Alex

I own a house and live in Burngreave and I don't get anything so stop moaning. They are making an effort with the area, thats got to be a good thing. You moan the area is a dump, you moan when they try to improve it, you moan that it's dangerous but never come here. Like anywhere, most of the people are fine, the area has been neglected for a long time and as in most areas it's genereally the youth that don't give a **** and bring it down.

Originally posted by amhudson119

These all close together? S5?


No, they are scattered around the city. S2, S5 and S8 I believe.

Base Green is s12.

Foxhill is s6

HTH

PT

Another post about Burngreave! Might aswell add my tuppence worth!

Yes its having money spent on it, and about time aswell. Commercially Burngreave is not in decline, have you seen any closed up shops recently that are not undergoing regeneration?
Some 10 years back the commercial premises were two-a-penny.

I am glad most of the premises have been taken over by Arab, Somali, etc businessmen/women. Its better them being open and a place to spend then closed and derelict.

Ever been to Spital Hill on a Friday/Saturday night to Mangla? Thats right, opposite the Donkeymans Club where there have been shooting in the past. Those Porsches, BMWs and Mercedes you see there are from the more affluent areas, people walk across the road from the pub with their drinks, do any of them get shot? NO, they don't.

Socially Burngreave has some problems - heres a few of them.

1. the youth having not much to do. I believe the local area has something in the wings to combat this. I will let you know as soon as I do.

2. People from outside Burngreave coming here and basically taking the p*ss. Its such a main routh through Burngreave, who can you stop, and who can you say looks suspicious? We have most the North of Sheffield coming through here every day!

3. For an inner city area, there is alot worse in other cities such as Liverpool. The Police are doing their bit, but with the NDC behind them to give them a push things are in progress.

4. Large scale redevelopment for areas in which the building CREATE the problems. Now many of you may not subscribe to this idea, but as a surveyor I can see the logic. Some buildings are designed in a way where they are just simply not right for the use.

5. Apathy. The people of Burngreave know there is funding, but would rather sit on their backsides and talk rather then get involved in whats going on. Then they complain when they find out their houses are getting demolished in a regen. plan. Why complain? They have lived there 20 odd years and not spent a shilling on them - so flatten them and make way for new, more up to date accomodation. A harsh line to take, but this will wake the residents up and make them take notice. Que the discussion about the sign for the Kashmir Curry Centre.

6. Policing has got much better, but there are still areas for improvement. I would recommend a plan of action which calls for a curfew in certain areas after 11pm.

7. Information - the NDC are doing alot of work, but their communications strategy is appalling. It needs a major overhaul with a dedicated comms dept. who have the full responsibility of ensuring everybody knows whas happening in Burngreave.
Effectively the NDC should be run as a corporation, a overarching business that looks after the smaller businesses within it.

And thats my bit for now, I will add more as things go on.

Another thing, I read somewhere on this post that some new flats had been built and were now going to be demolished - do you mind telling us where these flats might be? If they are the same ones I have in mind, then they are neither new, have never been fully occupied (unless you include rodents), and in general even crack fuelled whores don't want to live there - so name them please!

I also have some stats somewhere that show the majority of the people living in Burngreave are of white origin, which may suprise some people who think its a no-go area for white people.

Found it! Details fdrom Census -

http://neighbourhood.statistics.gov.uk/AreaProfileFrames.asp?TID=1&AREA=Burngreave+ward&AID=176919


1M&HB

Originally posted by Internetowl
and nothing to do with the recent spate of drug related shooting deaths then?


There were deaths? Can you confirm this please?

I also have some stats somewhere that show the majority of the people living in Burngreave are of white origin, which may suprise some people who think its a no-go area for white people.

Found it! Details fdrom Census -

http://neighbourhood.statistics.gov.uk/AreaProfileFrames.asp?TID=1&AREA=Burngreave+ward&AID=176919


1M&HB [/B][/QUOTE]

Ihave lived in this area all my life I am white and do not have a problem,the only problem Ihave is with children and that is only a minor problem,I have never been afraid to walk anywhere in this area and get on very well with all people whatever their background,so please pick on some other area there are much worse places in sheffield if you just look around

for goodness sake arn`t we quick with the tar brush and you Mo
how dare you suggest that the lower manor is full of low lifes
get a grip all of you and stop critising every improvement made to this city its all for the good and can only generate a positive image of sheffield :mad:

didn't Burngreave get a Million pound EU grant? Hence lots of odd cultural jobs in the area...

1man and his bmw, you make some cogent points regarding Burngreave. However, I do not agree with your point re youths "not having much to do". No disrespect intended, but this sounds like a classic excuse for bad behaviour. Why have they "nothing" to do? How will this be "combatted"? The youths are living in a relatively "free", democratic country in which there is access to libraries, computer workshops, sports and leisure facilities, the finest countryside in the world etc etc, and most of it free [at least to them]. If they find themselves at a loose end it is surely down to slack-jawed incuriosity and lack of imagination. With the dramatic increase in youth-related crime, it cannot be lack of imagination that is the problem since we read of the most imaginative ways youth gangs wreak havoc on their own communities. Lacking the will to please, and the resources with which to amuse themselves, the youths with "not much to do" become uncaged Calibans. How to combat this? Education? Who is going to stump up the readies? Perhaps, we are seeing the fruits of idiotic, 1960s experiments in comprehensive schooling, with huge, sprawling schools where there was/is little control over the teachers, let alone the pupils. I speak as a former pupil of one such nightmare school in the city, who has gained qualifications in his late 20's, early 30s and entered the Higher Educ profession. Excuses like this one serve to remove agency, free will and human responsibility from the argument. As Alex in Burgess's A Clockwork Orange said, "We do it because we like doing it". I'm always worried when I hear people complain of "not having much to do". It's a great pity Mrs Williams didn't have something constructive to occupy herself with instead of sowing the seeds of today's problems...

The money being pumped in to Burngreave is to regenerate the area. It's a positive step.

This "the council don't never give me no money" rubbish is just idiocy. People aren't being give free handouts - the area they live in is being regenerated. If you feel like you're missing out, then move there.

I find Burngreave a perfectly fine place to walk around at night and the Kashmir Curry Centre is the finest curry house in Sheffield. Also, it's just a short walk to some of the finest pubs in the city (Fat Cat, Gardeners etc).

I lived in Southey. It was nasty.


As for the "kids" who have nothing to do or just want to cause trouble (depending on your viewpoint) - they're all over the city. I bet you even get a few bad apples in Ranmoor...

I lived in Southey. It was nasty.


i've lived in pitsmoor and southey and i liked southey better than pitsmoor/burngreave! i really dont know how you can compare the two! they are totally different! i feel a lot safer in southey than burngreave! they need to knock the place down and start again!

There's a real sense of community in Burngreave. In Southey everyone was just out to get each other. Neighbours against neighbours. No-one was friendly and you never saw anyone out and about. Glad I got out of the place.


I see the BNP nearly got a seat in Southey. Lovely place.

Originally posted by timo
1man and his bmw, you make some cogent points regarding Burngreave. However, I do not agree with your point re youths "not having much to do".........

Hi Timo

I agree with much of what you are saying, in the past there were more things to do - such as the Vestry Hall games nights etc some years ago.

At present Burngreave have seen the incoming of many people, I'm not talking immigration, I'm talking from other estates around the city which are being torn down and redeveloped. This has caused a glut of more people of course, and facilties have not caught up to match. i agree there are some problem youngsters, in certain areas i think I mentioned a curfew would work wonders - but equally tie that in with more facilties in terms of say sporting clubs, etc for those who are less academically minded.

MarkEmark, Of course troublesome youths are everywhere [including Ranmoor, and nice, sleepy, middle class Southport where this Sheffielder is exiled]. My point is, we should not listen to their callow and idiotic claims that they have nothing to do. Nor should we make excuses for their anti-social behaviour along these lines. If we do so, we are absolving them of responsibility for their actions.

Originally posted by timo
and nice, sleepy, middle class Southport


I'm sure I don't know of such a place. Is there more than one Southport?

TO20, no, as far as I'm aware there is only one Southport. Your point being...?

I used to live in Southey and I have some knowledge of Burngreave so it is interesting to read the contrasting opinions. I think an area is what you make of it as well as how other people make it for you. After reading your comments I am amazed that I managed to live in Southey for a year and a half and have no trouble at all - that may have been because I lived with a big alsation but we were not burgled, harrassed and the neighbours were quite friendly too. Admittedly down the road there were burnt out houses and gangs of kids but nobody ever gave us any trouble. Funny, I have had more trouble with people since I moved to Leicester - I've had my post stolen, shouted at by youths and felt much more threatened than i ever did in Sheffield.

I agree with Timo that the "nothing to do" excuse is pathetic. When I had nothing to when as a teenager, I didn't go around hurling abuse at people, wrecking bus shelters, etc, because I had been brought up to respect others and their property and would go and find something useful to do. Anyway, why aren't these kids at home doing their homework? I've never understood why so called deprived areas get so much funding for community schemes, when the nicer areas don't have any facilities either. Someone explain please?

...let me guess which of the areas you live in....

I grew up in Liverpool

eh?

thats by the by.

Basically it's regeneration funding...now you can't regenerate an area that's descirbed as nice already. That just doesn't make sense.

I like Burngreave and I'm all for money going into it.

Oh no, don't get me wrong - I think areas such as Burngreave need help to improve and I'm all for it too, but people earlier in this thread were blaming the bad rep of these areas on kids with nothing to do. Which doesn't make sense cos some kids in the nicer places have nothing to do either!

except go to sports clubs or leisure centres or cinemas or under 18 discos in their parents 4x4 with enough money in their pockets to have a good time.

Kids in "nicer" areas have more leisure possibilities simply because they can afford it.

Got to agree with Neeeeeeeek. I've lived in Burngreave/Pitsmoor all my life and I've never had any trouble. Yes, I've been burgled and had my car broken in to, but friends who live in Crookes and Sandygate have encounted the same problems too.

Sheffield City Council is trying to improve the area and I have to admit are doing a pretty good job.

I for one, can't fault living in Pitsmoor. Close to the city and meadowhall and great for public transport.

I wish the people of Burngreave well and hope the improvements that are made are of real benefit to the community. However I would make these points to some of the previous posts.

The 'Closing the Gap' policy is extremely devisive. While benefitting some select areas it is alienating others and causing some ill feeling. The council needs to be more even handed on where they spend our money.

While in the past I would have agreed that childrens bad behaviour cannot be excused by having nothing to do I now feel that this is probably more legitimate. Children are stimulated far more through things like Game Boys & PCs then we ever were with our 'toys'. They therefore have higher expectations when it comes to 'entertainment'. When this is coupled with the decline in FREE recreational facilities, uninterested parents and bleak prospects it is hardly surprising that some youths misbehave. The community group that I am a member of are including these unruly elements in our planning with some positive results.

To reiterate, moronically-stupid youths with "nothing to do" can be found in ALL socio-economic classes, and virtually ALL areas of "multicultural", "postmodern", relativistic New Britain. It was never part of my case to suggest that they are confined solely to inner-city areas. Middle class areas too have their anti-social types, and they are more likely to have more money to spend as they speed around in their Oafmobiles. The late, French thinker Pierre Bourdieu wrote of the "Philistine Middle Classes", a special breed who , whilst being ECONOMICALLY middle class, do not subscribe to traditional, middle class norms and values [do not value education, the arts etc], and they go on to spawn aggressive, selfish and incurious offspring. That said, perhaps the majority of the "nowt to do" brigade CAN be located within what Charles Murray calls "The Underclass" or "New Rabble". This refers to a sub-caste, impervious to policies, who live in a "dependency culture". Their parents do not, in theory, subscribe to mainstream values/norms, do not value education, commit most of the "street crime" and benefit fraud, and are a large and lucrative market for Black Economy goods. They might also be seen as a transient population, moving from one area to another, housed by the council, and regarded/stigmatised as "Problem Families".

Timo, Oh to be as perfect as you.

But think of this, your 'moronically-stupid' youths seems to be a relatively new occurance and are on the increase. If we do not teach these children to be well behaved citizens what will the future be like.

I never said that this antisocial behaviour was limited to certain areas or socio-economic groups. I hope that the majority of people do not subscribe to your views or god help us.

That's all because we are getting off topic.

Sanman, you've just made me laugh! "Perfect"? Me? I get things wrong all the time. Sorry if I get on the high horse a bit, we all have our faults. As for the views, don't forget, the Underclass thesis is Murray's, not mine. Unlike him, I DO believe in a welfare "safety net", I just get tired of excuses for anti-social behaviour, like most people. I don't want to bring back the birch, or conscription . I just want to see people accountable for their actions, or in sociological terms, see agency favoured as an explanation rather than social structure. Must dash, our curry has arrived.