I say:
Breakfast, Dinner, Tea.

Some people say:
Breakfast, Lunch, Dinner.

I think they are just wrong. Does anyone agree?

Originally posted by jackthedog
I say:
Breakfast, Dinner, Tea.

Some people say:
Breakfast, Lunch, Dinner.

I think they are just wrong. Does anyone agree?

imo it's down to timing and food. Dinner at mid-day usually implies a hot meal whereas lunch is something lighter. Tea time is invariably earlier in the evening than dinner. In our house, if we eat before we go out it's tea, if we eat around 8 or 9 it's dinner and if we eat any later it's supper.

Some may argue it's a class thing but I find having a larger lexicon allows for more flexible dining.

I say both, i think it also depends where your from in the country.

my uni friends often laugh at my northern sayings :(

Originally posted by max
imo it's down to timing and food. Dinner at mid-day usually implies a hot meal whereas lunch is something lighter. Tea time is invariably earlier in the evening than dinner. In our house, if we eat before we go out it's tea, if we eat around 8 or 9 it's dinner and if we eat any later it's supper.

Some may argue it's a class thing but I find having a larger lexicon allows for more flexible dining.
Yes, we've got one of those lexicon extendable tables... yes, they do make most flexible dining. ;)

I think it's more a north south divide thing myself. Up north people have historically been unable to afford 3 meals a day. Therefore lunch was dropped, dinner moved forward and a cup of tea was all that was expected in the evening.

Don't shout at me... it's only a theory! :D

I semi-agree with max. Dinner is always the main meal of the day and is normally a hot meal, wether it's eaten in the middle of the day or towards the end of the day. Lunch is a light snack eaten at lunch time, but if you eat dinner at lunch time then I would have tea at tea time. Hope this makes sense.

Originally posted by jackthedog
I say:
Breakfast, Dinner, Tea.

Some people say:
Breakfast, Lunch, Dinner.

I think they are just wrong. Does anyone agree?

I think its depends on when you eat, as 'tea time' is around 4, 5 or 6pm, i.e. when you get home from work or school. Although you do have 'lunch time' and 'dinner time'. But i think its just a regional thing?

So whats brunch then?

I have to say :

Breakfast, Lunch, Dinner.

Originally posted by jackthedog
I say:
Breakfast, Dinner, Tea.

Some people say:
Breakfast, Lunch, Dinner.

I think they are just wrong. Does anyone agree?

I agree :)

The people who feed you at school at noon are called dinner ladies, not lunch ladies

And that hour is as often called dinner time (as in "Come round mine at dinner time") as it is lunch time

It has always been dinner to me

Depends who I'm speaking to. I like to be understood so if it's family or Northern friends then it's dinner but if it's my Southern friends then it's lunch.

who ever heard of Dinner Parties at lunch time?

Breakfast - Elevenses - Lunch - Tea - Supper

in that order.

But a lunchbox is a lunchbox, not a dinnerbox.

I see it like this, right.

If you get home from work and your partner slings chips, egg, sausages and beans on the table in front of you and you drown it in ketchup and consume bread and butter with it.....it's your tea.

On the other hand, if you arrive home at 'The Gables' after a terribly hard day at the office and your partner has prepared you Salmon Mornay with buttered Jersey Royal potatoes and steamed spring carrots, and opened a bottle of chilled Chablis to help the food lovingly slip down....you're just a bloody snob, and you're still having your tea.

Breakfast
Dinner
Tea

and maybe supper if Ive been on the razz :wink:

Breakfast in a morning.

Dinner in the afternoon.

Tea in the early evening.

Supper at night.

So simple even a Londoner should be able to understand it.... sorry, I've just had bad experiences of the traditional North against South rivalries with Londoners at College a few years back which has tarnished my opinion of them.

I say 'Breakfast', Lunch', and 'Tea'/'Dinner'. I never use the term 'dinner' for lunch, but use it interchangeably with 'tea'.

Breakfast
Lunch
Tea or dinner

You don't ask someone out to tea on a date, do you?

Breakfast - Dinner - Tea :thumbsup:

However, depending what it is, Dinner is sometimes Tea, and also sometimes Lunch :lol:

You don't ask someone out for dinner, do you - you ask them out for a meal.

I've invited people both out to dinner and to dinner, and in all cases it has been after 8pm

- the fact that they turned up at lunchtime is neither here nor there-

Originally posted by Phanerothyme
I've invited people both out to dinner and to dinner,
Errrr, that's the same thing.... :loopy:

Hmm, Sidla, I was going to invite you out to dinner at a nice restaurant, but instead I'm going invite you to dinner - and you can come round here and eat pickled herring.

There is a difference, trust me.

Originally posted by MichaelTravis
Breakfast
Lunch
Tea or dinner

You don't ask someone out to tea on a date, do you?

Little kids do, or rather their mothers do... A kid invites a lass round, and their Mum's like "are you stopping for your tea love?"

There has always - in the main - been a North/South divide on which word you use to differenciate between which meals you hae a what time as it were.
Now which uses which? I use lunch - afternoon. Tea - 5pm - but don't bother with it and Dinner 8pm. What are the words that the general nth. sth. divide use?


Alex

The words you use also depend on age - when you are a kid you invite your mates round for Tea [fish fingers etc] but later on in life you take someone out for dinner [much posher bit of fish...] :P

Now if you want a N/S divid then ask about turning on the 'Big Light'
:cool:

For me it was always dinner at midday, tea at 6:00pm-ish.
Then there's the question of what you call the front room in a home, where the telly is. For me as a kid it was always "the house" as opposed to the kitchen (our council house didn't have a dining room :)
Now it's more likely to be called the "lounge" or the "living room" - but never a "reception room" ( that's just estate agent talk).

With me it depends who I am talking to - to friends and family it's dinner not lunch (afternoon) and tea not dinner (evening) but colleagues and others it would be the more formal option of lunch and dinner - it sounds better afterall. Although, having said that I do say lunchtime as opposed to dinnertime!:D

Breakfast, Lunch, Dinner/Tea. We've had this debate before I'm sure.

As for the front room, it would depend on what the front room was. A lot of people are so used to calling a lounge a front room that when they are at another house even if the lounge is at the back they still refer to it as the front room. I always just call them the lounge/living room and the dining room.

What about Brunch and High Tea - Does anybody use those?

Now if you want a N/S divid then ask about turning on the 'Big Light'

My mum has always used that phrase!! She was born and bred in South Wales though (as I was), so i don't know what that says.

"Just turn on the big light a minute, please - I can hardly see by this lamp!" :D

Well, now that you mention it, my mum (born in Barnsley), uses/d "put the big light on". I presume it's northern. I and my dad don't (he was born in Rochester) me Lon.

Alex

We had the "big light" and the "landing light" for the one at the top of the stairs!

The lounge/living room/front room whatever you want to call it was always called "the room"!

Big light/ main light... how else can it be distinguished from the side lights? As for landing light.... would that be the light in the landing?

Darn - forgot to mention biggest north/south/god-knows-where divide thing - what you have on chips ! Ketchup, gravy or cheese :thumbsup:

Salt? Not vinegar though.... UUUGHHHHHHHH GOD.

I don't like Salt. But in the south you mainly have Tomato Sauce, or "chavs" as you lke have red sauce!
The north? Ketchup?

Alex

Originally posted by rtapper
Darn - forgot to mention biggest north/south/god-knows-where divide thing - what you have on chips ! Ketchup, gravy or cheese :thumbsup:

Who puts cheese on chips ???????

Salt and vinegar! Yum!
With a blob of ketchup on side for dipping!

Hehe I'm from Newcastle and we always say "big light". When it's getting dark Dad is like, can you knock the big light on please so I can see what I'm doing.

We call the front room the front room. Like to keep things simple up here!

As for tea/dinner/lunch. I never know what I say. At school it was always dinnertime (12 o clock ish) and tea time (5/6pm). I tend to use lunch for my miday meal and tea for my tea now. But I often don't have tea until 8pm, which some people then class as dinner. Confusing!

We also have a "landing light"

We have red and brown sauce as a kid ! Now of course I've converted to fruity brown sauce :P

I can't see how "Ketchup" is northern - "Tomato Ketchup" is the actual product name for Heinz so referring to Heinz Tomato Ketchup as "Ketchup" is hardly a north/south issue. Referring to a non-Heinz tomato sauce as "Ketchup" is simply like referring to a non-Hoover vacuum cleaner as a "Hoover" or a non-Biro ballpoint pen as a "Biro".

Originally posted by beckb
Who puts cheese on chips ???????

Have had cheesy chips in such far flung places as Exeter and the Old Queens Head pub in Sheffield [where they also do cheesy chips with Bacon Bits - right classy....]

Originally posted by t020
We've had this debate before I'm sure.

Yep, so merged, it's what mods do.

Originally posted by t020
I can't see how "Ketchup" is northern - "Tomato Ketchup" is the actual product name for Heinz so referring to Heinz Tomato Ketchup as "Ketchup" is hardly a north/south issue. Referring to a non-Heinz tomato sauce as "Ketchup" is simply like referring to a non-Hoover vacuum cleaner as a "Hoover" or a non-Biro ballpoint pen as a "Biro".

Totally agree with you on that one t020.

I thought that calling ketchup red sauce was started as a result of a european directive which stated that it couldn't be called tomato ketchup as it didn't contain sufficient tomato! I could be wrong though, but for what it's worth I still call it ketchup but my daughter's boyfriend calls it red sauce.

Originally posted by Phanerothyme
who ever heard of Dinner Parties at lunch time?

Breakfast - Elevenses - Lunch - Tea - Supper

in that order.
This is my order:

Breakfast-Elevnis (Abolished in the south)! - Lunch - Tea (5pm) - Dinner (7/8pm) - Supper 10pm (Abolished in the south)!

Alex

Well, me, being the greedy piglet that I am, prefer:

Breakfast

Second Breakfast

Elevenses

Brunch

Lunch

Snack

Afternoon Tea

High Tea (Yes! I've managed to find a distinction between the two! Two different kinds of cake...)

Dinner/Tea (Proper meal, anyhow)

Snack

Supper

Midnight Feast

Aah, so many meals, so little time...

Brakfast, lunch, tea!

Originally posted by rtapper
Darn - forgot to mention biggest north/south/god-knows-where divide thing - what you have on chips !

What about if you have those chips in a butty? Is it a breadcake, a bread roll, a cob or somthing else? :confused:

It's a breadbun!!

It's

Breakfast
Dinner
Tea
Supper

Anyone else is wrong. I mean you never had 'school lunches' did you. It's ALWAYS been school dinners!

Of course you had school lunches. They were at *lunchtime*. :loopy:

Originally posted by t020
Of course you had school lunches. They were at *lunchtime*. :loopy:

Dinnertime :loopy:

If you took sandwiches, it was lunch - a packed lunch.

But if you had hot food, it was dinner, served by the dinner lady.

Originally posted by RPG
Dinnertime :loopy:

Lunchtime. :loopy:

Dinnertime. :loopy:

Dinnertime is the time for an evening meal. Lunchtime is the time to eat your lunch.

"It's a breadbun!!"

Can't be because it's called a muffin !!

Are we really on page 4 of this pointless thread? :loopy:

"Tomato Ketchup" is the actual product name for Heinz so referring to Heinz Tomato Ketchup as "Ketchup" is hardly a north/south issue. Referring to a non-Heinz tomato sauce as "Ketchup" is simply like referring to a non-Hoover vacuum cleaner as a "Hoover" or a non-Biro ballpoint pen as a "Biro".

Actually t020, you are wrong there. Ketchup is not, as you say a brand name. Any decent dictionary will tell you that the word "ketchup" is actually derived from eighteenth century Chinese (Amoy) - koetsiap - which means brine of pickled fish, taken from koe - seafood + tsiap - sauce.

The word ketchup itself (variations include catchup and catsup) is a noun, meaning any of various piquant sauces containing vinegar - including, but not limited to - tomato ketchup.

I wouldn't normally be so anal about correcting someone, but t020, you take great pleasure in telling other people they're wrong all the time, so I thought you were overdue a return of the favour. :thumbsup:

You learn something new every day!! :D

Dinnertime is the time for an evening meal. Lunchtime is the time to eat your lunch.

And while we're at it, who made YOU king of the world, t020? Everyone is allowed their own opinion as to what word is used - as long as it is a word that is related to the subject at hand (i.e - food related), then I see no problem.

The amazing thing about the English language is it's varied use throughout the country. People use different words for the same thing, as well as pronouncing the same words differently. I personally dont think anyone has a right to correct someone elses word us - especially not in a thread concerened with finding out every individual's different views.

Seems to me your perfect world would be one filled with clones of yourself. I bet you're in your bedroom right now, playing with your chemistry kit and a single drop of blood. :rolleyes:

And I DARE you to reply to me with more than just my words quoted back and a "whatever", or "you're wrong" put in from you. Use REASONING behind your replies - and back it up with a bit of research!! :thumbsup:

Originally posted by LittleWitch
Actually t020, you are wrong there. Ketchup is not, as you say a brand name. Any decent dictionary will tell you that the word "ketchup" is actually derived from eighteenth century Chinese (Amoy) - koetsiap - which means brine of pickled fish, taken from koe - seafood + tsiap - sauce.

The word ketchup itself (variations include catchup and catsup) is a noun, meaning any of various piquant sauces containing vinegar - including, but not limited to - tomato ketchup.

I wouldn't normally be so anal about correcting someone, but t020, you take great pleasure in telling other people they're wrong all the time, so I thought you were overdue a return of the favour. :thumbsup:

You learn something new every day!! :D

Tomato Ketchup is a Heinz product, whether it is a real word or not. That is a FACT, so you have nothing to correct me on. If I drove a Fiesta would it suddenly not be a model name of Ford just because it is also a "real" word? Get your facts right in future.

Originally posted by Andy
What about if you have those chips in a butty? Is it a breadcake, a bread roll, a cob or somthing else? :confused:

That would be a 'chip barm' then. Maybe i'm just odd though.

I know i'm a bit late on this thread, but oxford seem to say....

dinner

• noun 1 the main meal of the day, taken either around midday or in the evening. 2 a formal evening meal.

ORIGIN Old French disner ‘to dine’ (used as a noun).

Doesn't that mean that we're all right kind of.

My order has always been breakfast - lunch - dinner/tea - supper.

"Tomato Ketchup" is the actual product name for Heinz so referring to Heinz Tomato Ketchup as "Ketchup" is hardly a north/south issue. Referring to a non-Heinz tomato sauce as "Ketchup" is simply like referring to a non-Hoover vacuum cleaner as a "Hoover" or a non-Biro ballpoint pen as a "Biro".

Tomato Ketchup is a Heinz product, whether it is a real word or not. That is a FACT, so you have nothing to correct me on. If I drove a Fiesta would it suddenly not be a model name of Ford just because it is also a "real" word? Get your facts right in future.

At the risk of dragging out a pointless argument with you, t020, yes Tomato ketchup is a Heinz product. But it is also a product of any other company which cares to make it. I never disputed the fact that tomato ketchup is made by Heinz. I was merely pointing out to you that Tomato Ketchup is not a word reserved specfically for Heinz for use as a product name by them, as it has been around for longer than the Heinz product.

So, as you can see, referring to a non-Heinz tomato sauce as ketchup is nothing like referring to a non-Hoover vacuum cleaner as a Hoover, or a non-Biro ballpoint pen as a Biro. Yes Fiesta is not only a product name used by Ford, but also a name given to a fun outdoor celebration - but how is that a comparison to ketchup? You wouldn't call any other car a Fiesta, as they all have different names, but you would call other tomato sauces ketchup, so that, frankly is a ridiculous example, that, like the majority of your arguments, makes no sense.

For once, t020, read your own posts, and then YOU get YOUR "facts" straight. :loopy:

"I was merely pointing out to you that Tomato Ketchup is not a word reserved specfically for Heinz for use as a product name by them, as it has been around for longer than the Heinz product."

I never said that though. The word "Ketchup" is a trademark belonging to Heinz.

HEINZ EUROPE

Established 2000
Hayes Park
Hayes, Middlesex, England

UK and IRELAND
Factories: Chorley, Fakenham, Grimsby, Kendal, Kitt Green, Leaminton, Luton, Okehampton, Telford, Westwick

Major Product Lines: bagel bites/beans/bean meals/can-making/cereals/chilled sandwiches/frozen and chilled desserts/frozen chips and potato products/frozen ready meals/infant formula/pasta/pasta meals/pizza crusts/pizza toppings/puddings/quick meals/reprographic and packaging solutions/single serve sachet condiments/soups/vegetarian frozen ready meals.
Brand Names and Trademarks: Farley's/Heinz/John West/Linda McCartney/Ross/San Marco/Weight Watchers.

Taken from http://www.heinz.com/jsp/di/corp_pro2003/corpProfile7.jsp for your reference.

t020, until you can prove to me that ketchup is a trademark belonging to Heinz, it remains a fact that it isn't. See above, taken from Heinz's own website. ketchup is NOT listed as one of it's brand names or trademarks.

Show me proof, or admit you're wrong. There's no shame in it!
:thumbsup:

And BTW:
"I was merely pointing out to you that Tomato Ketchup is not a word reserved specfically for Heinz for use as a product name by them, as it has been around for longer than the Heinz product."

I KNOW you didn't say that - I did!!:loopy:

Originally posted by Tony
Are we really on page 4 of this pointless thread? :loopy:

I don't think it is pointless - I was responsible for starting the "second" thread on this - which was merged.

Alex

Originally posted by amhudson119
I don't think it is pointless - I was responsible for startig the "second" thread on this.

Alex

That explains a lot ;) :P

By the way - Breakfast - Lunch (working lunch anyone?!?) - Tea - Supper - Midnight feast :D

Little Witch - ok, so maybe the analogy with Biros and Hoovers isn't entirely accurate, but my original point still holds. That is, Ketchup is a product name and so referring to Tomato Sauce as "Ketchup" isn't a north/south issue.

All together now, oh no it isn't.

Ketchup - A condiment consisting of a thick, smooth-textured, spicy sauce usually made from tomatoes.

Yes it is max. Just because Ketchup has a definition doesn't mean it isn't also a product. When the largest producer of Tomato Sauce calls their product "Tomato Ketchup", it is no surprise that a lot of people refer to it as this, and it has got absolutely nothing to do with being in the north or south of England.