My bloke drove passed a speed camera the other night, and it flashed him, he told me he thinks he was doing 50 on a 30mph road!!

Silly git i know lol but hes a lad...wot do u expect? :P

The thing thats worrying us know is that, as he has only passed his test about 4 months ago, he hasnt had his licence for over a year and so this means he only has 6points to use on his licence, he is thinking he will get 3 points and a £60 fine, but someone has told us it depends on the speed he was going, and well...at 20mph over what he should have, they said he may get a straight 12month ban, anybody know?

Probably a £60 fine and 3 points. The Camera may not have had any film in and your speedo normally reads a bit high.
Nothing you can do apart from check the post every morning.

Bad news i am afraid! not too sure if these new proposals have come into effect though

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3616422.stm

This suggests he will get 6 points.
Although just because you are flashed, it doesnt mean you will get a ticket.

I have been flashed 6 or 7 times, but only 1 ticket.

I'd guess it'd be a £60 fine and three points.

I got caught twice in one night, one going to get a pizza, one bringing it back. Fined £120 with the threat of 6 points.
I paid up on the day, sent off my licence etc, and they only put 3 points on. Thankyou Mr Policeman!

lol lets hope he only gets 3points.....but if he gets 6 im having his car so.....hmmm......:P

Probably a £60 fine and 3 points. The Camera may not have had any film in and your speedo normally reads a bit high.
Nothing you can do apart from check the post every morning.


If it flashed then there was film in it, they don't flash when theres no film. Most likely outcome is 3pts and £60 fine.

Here's (http://www.checkthatcar.com/check%20your%20speed.asp) an interesting site.

He could get up to £100 fine plus £30 costs and 4 points. He might also get a summons for doing 50 in a 30 zone.

If it flashed then there was film in it, they don't flash when theres no film. Most likely outcome is 3pts and £60 fine.

I don't think that is true but am not 100%

he has only passed his test about 4 months ago, he hasnt had his licence for over a year

Oh dear :roll:

You might consider taking a second job to pay for his car insurance renewal then!

I don't think that is true but am not 100%

If they flash then there is film in, they don't flash without film. You can get flashed and not get caught because the film is damaged, picture not clear, etc hence peoples confusion.

I think 3 points and £60 is highly unlikely I'm afraid. On the TV the other night there was a guy caught doing 52 in a 30 and he was fined £200 and got a 12 month ban (I don't believe everything I see on the TV but it's a good example). You might be lucky though not everyone caught by a GATSO is prosecuted.

If you get flashed but are not sure, then this site (http://www.e-database.co.uk/) may help.:thumbsup:

My bloke drove passed a speed camera the other night, and it flashed him, he told me he thinks he was doing 50 on a 30mph road!!

Silly git i know lol but hes a lad...wot do u expect? :P

The thing thats worrying us know is that, as he has only passed his test about 4 months ago, he hasnt had his licence for over a year and so this means he only has 6points to use on his licence, he is thinking he will get 3 points and a £60 fine, but someone has told us it depends on the speed he was going, and well...at 20mph over what he should have, they said he may get a straight 12month ban, anybody know?

It aint' over till the fat lady sings....;)

PM me for help. All is not lost!

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It aint' over till the fat lady sings....;)

PM me for help. All is not lost!

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Come on; 50 in a 30 zone? He deserves the points and a fine.

It aint' over till the fat lady sings....;)

PM me for help. All is not lost!

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You're not one of those... law-talking guys are you :roll:

(To paraphrase Lionel Hutz)

I wouldnt worry about it too much,until it pops thru the post, i got a flash on Penistone Road months ago...i mean with a camera..lol,and i still havent heard owt...lets hope the same happen again...:thumbsup:

Hope it was just a flash from camera without film...... friend got caught & cos he was 48 in 30 zone ... more than 50% over the limit , he got a wopping fine & a ban (or 6 points which led to ban, cant remember) ....... this was over 2 years ago so dont know how much things have changes (if any)

Ya know what PPN? I've re-evaluated my previous post, and you're right!

And he was over 50% above the speed limit in a built up area - which is pretty excessive isn't it?

So, my little speed fiend, the offer of help is withdrawn! Sit back and take whatever's coming! :hihi:.....

There may be a chance that nothing will happen, in which case you're off the hook...this time!

I suspect in this case that 'Whatever's coming' (if the case does proceed to Court) will depend very much on how apologetic you are to the Magistrate.

Assure them that you are terribly sorry; that you are particularly embarrassed; that the incident was very out of character for you; and that it will never happen again, etc etc etc.

Again, if the case does go to Court, wear a nice suit, comb your hair, and brush your teeth twice. All Magistrates like to see a well turned out defendant. Then just be honest, stick to the above, and hope for the best.

If however it all goes terribly Pete Tong, and you end up in a big echoey building with metal windows, and lots of doors, all of which are locked......be nice to the tall hairy people with tattoo's; don't speak to anyone called 'Big Ken' who has a shaved head but wears lipstick and out of date foundation, and don't bend down if anyone drops the soap in the shower! :wow:

And to PPN, let it never be said that I don't apologise when I'm in the wrong.....although obviously I very rarely am :banana:

Ya know what PPN? I've re-evaluated my previous post, and you're right!

And he was over 50% above the speed limit in a built up area - which is pretty excessive isn't it?...
And at night too :o .

And to PPN, let it never be said that I don't apologise when I'm in the wrong.....although obviously I very rarely am :banana:
LOL. Excellent post, even though I've cut out the funny bits so as not to take up space. No need for apologies, though :) .

Wasn't someone once rumoured to have said "Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone"? ;)

Curious that when it comes to driving, to see that there are invariably virtuous motorists around who have never ever exceeded the speed limit, who are only too ready and willing to condemn those who have committed this grievous sin!

Please be aware that, despite what the authorities would wish you to believe... Speed Does NOT Kill... Inappropriate speed CAN kill... Although it is statistically the sole cause of very few accidents indeed... Many, many more fatalities are the result of Bad Driving, which doesn't necessarily mean speeding.

Annoy The Media... Think for yourself... Don't be brain-washed by the "Speed Kills" lobby.... Most speed-cams are there to raise money, not make the roads safer!

Read, Learn and Inwardly Digest... http://www.safespeed.org.uk/proof.html

Wasn't someone once rumoured to have said "Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone"? ;)

Curious that when it comes to driving, to see that there are invariably virtuous motorists around who have never ever exceeded the speed limit, who are only too ready and willing to condemn those who have committed this grievous sin!

Please be aware that, despite what the authorities would wish you to believe... Speed Does NOT Kill... Inappropriate speed CAN kill... Although it is statistically the sole cause of very few accidents indeed... Many, many more fatalities are the result of Bad Driving, which doesn't necessarily mean speeding.

Annoy The Media... Think for yourself... Don't be brain-washed by the "Speed Kills" lobby.... Most speed-cams are there to raise money, not make the roads safer!

Doing 50 in a 30 zone at night is inappropriate, it is bad driving and it could result in someone being killed.

Doing 50 in a 30 zone at night is inappropriate, it is bad driving and it could result in someone being killed.
Hear Hear, I cannot believe people are so sympathetic towards this guy, 50 is way, way over the limit. How would you all feel if a member of your families were killed by this guy.....BAN HIM!

Got done doing 68 on Parkway recently, got 4 points and £60 fine. Thats prbably what he'll get.

there was a court case in the news just the other day.

apparently 150 mph in a porsche boxter (in the right conditions) is not dangerous driving. Or so the magistrate ruled.

Got done doing 68 on Parkway recently, got 4 points and £60 fine. Thats prbably what he'll get.

68 on the Parkway isn't more than 50% over the limit.

Why is speeding one of the laws that people think is acceptable to keep breaking. It wasnt a little over the limit it was a lot
At that speed if a kid had been crossing the road there would have been no time to stop,
There have been numerous campaigns to cut down on speed that just get ignored.
SERVES YOU RIGHT IF YOU LOOSE YOUR LISCENCE - Should be with the rest of the chavs doing do-nuts on the REC

Anyone defending speeding should read this thread

Speeding can and does kill people, some innocent some not so innocent but it can ruin peoples lives

http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=87437[/URL]

34Mph - Flash = 3points + £60fine = me nicked (Rotherham 2005).Pay the fine do the time whatever and learn a lesson, I did.

I think that if you wish to discuss the rights and wrongs of speeding and speed limit enforcement you should probably go and find one of the many existing threads on the topic.

Wasn't someone once rumoured to have said "Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone"? ;)

Curious that when it comes to driving, to see that there are invariably virtuous motorists around who have never ever exceeded the speed limit, who are only too ready and willing to condemn those who have committed this grievous sin!

Please be aware that, despite what the authorities would wish you to believe... Speed Does NOT Kill... Inappropriate speed CAN kill... Although it is statistically the sole cause of very few accidents indeed... Many, many more fatalities are the result of Bad Driving, which doesn't necessarily mean speeding.

Annoy The Media... Think for yourself... Don't be brain-washed by the "Speed Kills" lobby.... Most speed-cams are there to raise money, not make the roads safer!

Read, Learn and Inwardly Digest... http://www.safespeed.org.uk/proof.html

Superb post!..... I get so annoyed at people criticizing others when they cannot say they haven't done it themselves.... we all do at some time and I admit I break the speed laws all the time especially when I'm on my bike but not recklessly and not to endanger anyone.... speed is knowing what you are capable of and not being told so.... as for speed cams.... they very rarely have film in them even when they flash otherwise I wouldn't have a licence now. I am not talking as though I am proud of speeding but who drives at 30mph and if you were stuck behind someone travelling at that speed would it not annoy you? I would slip into sport and leave em.

Superb post!..... I get so annoyed at people criticizing others when they cannot say they haven't done it themselves.... we all do at some time and I admit I break the speed laws all the time especially when I'm on my bike but not recklessly and not to endanger anyone.... speed is knowing what you are capable of and not being told so.... as for speed cams.... they very rarely have film in them even when they flash otherwise I wouldn't have a licence now. I am not talking as though I am proud of speeding but who drives at 30mph and if you were stuck behind someone travelling at that speed would it not annoy you? I would slip into sport and leave em.
What is your view on the OP's bloke, who did 50 mph in a 30 zone at night? Do you think he should receive a fine and points?

I think that if you wish to discuss the rights and wrongs of speeding and speed limit enforcement you should probably go and find one of the many existing threads on the topic.

What's wrong with this one? and who are you to decide this?

What's wrong with this one? and who are you to decide this?
I must agree with this. This discussion is hardly veering wildly off topic, and the discussion of speeding issues here prevents having two very similar threads on the go simultaneously.

Are you getting some practice in prior to the the announcement, Cyclone? ;)

What is your view on the OP's bloke, who did 50 mph in a 30 zone at night? Do you think he should receive a fine and points?

All depends on the circumstances really.... erm night time (not many people around and kids probably tucked up) 50mph is a reasonably controllable speed to drive.... built up area, well that's not good I admit but given the circumstances I don't think He deserves punishing.... you see it was night time.... first thing in the morning during the school run, then that's a different matter.

Are you getting some practice in prior to the the announcement, Cyclone? ;)

Tell us more ppn.... :D :D :D

I am not talking as though I am proud of speeding but who drives at 30mph and if you were stuck behind someone travelling at that speed would it not annoy you? I would slip into sport and leave em.

The speed limits that I really takes notice of are the urban ones simply because they are there for safety reasons. 30mph is plenty fast enough around town at any time of day or night. It's often too fast.

Sorry Jake01, you'll be following me and feeling annoyed.

It follows that 50mph is waaayyyyy too fast. Whilst I have sympathy on a personal level, as far as driving goes, it deserves a full 6 points.

Tell us more ppn.... :D :D :D
I hasten to add that I am merely guessing based on the tone of Cyclone's post. I have no insider knowledge.

It follows that 50mph is waaayyyyy too fast. Whilst I have sympathy on a personal level, as far as driving goes, it deserves a full 6 points.
I agree. 50 in a 30 zone at night with only 4 months driving experience is ridiculous. :loopy:

Saxo or Corsa by any chance? :suspect:

All depends on the circumstances really.... erm night time (not many people around and kids probably tucked up) 50mph is a reasonably controllable speed to drive.... built up area, well that's not good I admit but given the circumstances I don't think He deserves punishing.... you see it was night time.... first thing in the morning during the school run, then that's a different matter.
Driving at 50 mph in a 30 mph zone is madness, particularly after dark. Just because there aren't many people around (and remember we don't know what time the incident took place), doesn't mean that there isn't someone around who might get in the way of a car doing 20 mph over the designated limit.

I also find your distinction between children and adults a little worrying. An adult injured in a road accident is no less appaling than an injured child.

I don't understand people who cry about speed limits. If you don't speed, you won't get caught. Simple. It doesn't matter what your views about speeding are; the fact remains that there are speed limits, and if you go significantly over those limits, you run the risk of getting caught, fined and possibly banned. As you should be.

The speed limits that I really takes notice of are the urban ones simply because they are there for safety reasons. 30mph is plenty fast enough around town at any time of day or night. It's often too fast.

Sorry Jake01, you'll be following me and feeling annoyed.

It follows that 50mph is waaayyyyy too fast. Whilst I have sympathy on a personal level, as far as driving goes, it deserves a full 6 points.

Fair enough in your opinion and I don't dismiss it.... but you are wrong on one point.... I wouldn't be following you mate, that's for sure.... like I said.... built up area during the day then think....night time is a different issue.

Fair enough in your opinion and I don't dismiss it.... but you are wrong on one point.... I wouldn't be following you mate, that's for sure.... like I said.... built up area during the day then think....night time is a different issue.
Yes, at night you're even less likely to see the person or thing that you run the risk of hitting as you come speeding down the road...

Driving at 50 mph in a 30 mph zone is madness, particularly after dark. Just because there aren't many people around (and remember we don't know what time the incident took place), doesn't mean that there isn't someone around who might get in the way of a car doing 20 mph over the designated limit.

I also find your distinction between children and adults a little worrying. An adult injured in a road accident is no less appaling than an injured child.

I don't understand people who cry about speed limits. If you don't speed, you won't get caught. Simple. It doesn't matter what your views about speeding are; the fact reamins that there are speed limits, and if you go significantly over those limits, you run the risk of getting caught, fined and possibly banned. As you should be.

Why is 50mph madness? and why particularly after dark? I make no distinction over age, you merely assume that.... all life is precious to me.... to tell me it doesn't matter what my views on speeding are, is merely taking my rights away to comment on something you don't like....

Yes, at night you're even less likely to see the person or thing that you run the risk of hitting as you come speeding down the road...

You have headlights and the chances are you would see less people..... I take it the bloke was sober btw.

My bloke drove passed a speed camera the other night, and it flashed him, he told me he thinks he was doing 50 on a 30mph road!!

Silly git i know lol but hes a lad...wot do u expect? :P

The thing thats worrying us know is that, as he has only passed his test about 4 months ago, he hasnt had his licence for over a year and so this means he only has 6points to use on his licence, he is thinking he will get 3 points and a £60 fine, but someone has told us it depends on the speed he was going, and well...at 20mph over what he should have, they said he may get a straight 12month ban, anybody know?

I was told (as I only passed my test 10 months ago) that if you lose all the points on your license within the first two years, you don't get the 12 month ban that's normally issued you lose your license altogether and have to take your test again. (of course this can always be appealed).

but given the circumstances I don't think He deserves punishing.... .

If he drives in such a reckless manner with only four months under his belt what's he going to be like in a year or so? :suspect: :loopy: :suspect:

I wonder if your views would be the same if he'd hit you head on coming in the opposite direction? :|

Why is 50mph madness? and why particularly after dark? I make no distinction over age, you merely assume that.... all life is precious to me.... to tell me it doesn't matter what my views on speeding are, is merely taking my rights away to comment on something you don't like....
PPN_2204 has it spot on.

A few people on this thread have discussed inappropriate speed, and that is the key. It is always inappropriate to drive quickly in urban areas. There are far too many things going off, and far too many opportunities for danger at all times of day or night.

Now when it comes to motorways it's a different thing.

Believe me, I'm no slow doddery driver, but I totally understand how to use speed. I've also never had a ticket, a camera flash, or an accident. Now I've been driving 20 years and I drive seriously quick cars (and I don't mean GTi's - I mean proper quick) and somehow I still manage to keep a clean license.

I'm pretty ambivalent about cameras as its unlikely that I'll get caught by one because of my driving habits. However if I do, it's a fair cop really isn't it?

Why is 50mph madness? and why particularly after dark? I make no distinction over age, you merely assume that.... all life is precious to me.... to tell me it doesn't matter what my views on speeding are taking my rights away to comment on something you don't like....
Driving at 50 mph in a 30 mph zone, and particularly at night, is madness for the reasons mentioned above: the usual impediments associated with a built-up area, and the reduced visibility associated with driving in reduced lighting conditions.

I mentioned nothing about your rights to comment on speeding issues; feel free.

You have headlights and the chances are you would see less people..... I take it the bloke was sober btw.
The OP didn't mention whether the bloke was sober or not.

Yes, you have headlights which illuminate the road ahead. The peripheral view is less well-illuminated, and this is one of the areas from which obstacles you might hit may emerge.

50 in a 30 zone is excessive\but i'm not classing it as dangerous as i dont know where it was. It makes no difference whether it's night or day but the weather/temperature plays a bigger part. To the original poster take the fine and points. They'll not be your last i'm sure. I have 6 points and i class myself as a good safe driver. i know quite a number who have clean licenses and i wouldn't like to be in the car with them!!!!

It is very reckless because, as well as a driver assuming there are less pedestrians around at night, any pedestrians are also likely to assume there are fewer cars on the road and probably be far more likely to step in to the road without checking fully. If a car is going at 50 in a 30 zone they are also less likely to see it, or they might wrongly assume they have time to cross in front of it if it is some distance away. There are also more inebriated people around to step out in front of you/fall off the pavement.

[QUOTE=ppn_2204] It doesn't matter what your views about speeding are; QUOTE]

Rest my case.... :hihi:

It doesn't matter what your views about speeding are;

Rest my case.... :hihi:
Well does it matter? Whether you approve of the speed limits or not, you still run the risk of getting caught and fined, no matter how much you or anyone else pontificates about them.

PPN_2204 has it spot on.

A few people on this thread have discussed inappropriate speed, and that is the key. It is always inappropriate to drive quickly in urban areas. There are far too many things going off, and far too many opportunities for danger at all times of day or night.

Now when it comes to motorways it's a different thing.

Believe me, I'm no slow doddery driver, but I totally understand how to use speed. I've also never had a ticket, a camera flash, or an accident. Now I've been driving 20 years and I drive seriously quick cars (and I don't mean GTi's - I mean proper quick) and somehow I still manage to keep a clean license.

I'm pretty ambivalent about cameras as its unlikely that I'll get caught by one because of my driving habits. However if I do, it's a fair cop really isn't it?

I take your point Tony and it's not like I disagree..... and I agree with the fair cop philosophy.... It doesn't mean that every law is correct though ( and I am not talking about speeding specifically ) I drive a fast car but I don't abuse it also if I did ( average speed 40mph in town.... at least I'm being honest ) I don't think is untoward as the braking system is good.... as you will know driving performance car's.... I've been driving 23yrs btw. :P one accident.... my fault when I was 19. I would still pass you if you were doing 30mph mate.... soz. :o

I take your point Tony and it's not like I disagree..... and I agree with the fair cop philosophy.... It doesn't mean that every law is correct though ( and I am not talking about speeding specifically ) I drive a fast car but I don't abuse it also if I did ( average speed 40mph in town.... at least I'm being honest ) I don't think is untoward as the braking system is good.... as you will know driving performance car's.... I've been driving 23yrs btw. :P one accident.... my fault when I was 19. I would still pass you if you were doing 30mph mate.... soz. :o

40mph around town is also an inappropriate speed. The number of times I've been very close to being hit by people doing this speed on Division Street is ridiculous. Now at least I can have a good guess as to who was driving :suspect:

I would still pass you if you were doing 30mph mate.... soz. :o
Doubt you'd pass me on a clear open road ;)

I'll stick to low speeds around town though.

The fact is, there are often reckless, dangerous drivers who don't exceed the speed limit. They simply don't take proper notice of the road.

However, Jake I have to say your posts are a little disturbing and I'm hoping they're not meant in the way they read. Because it really does read like you're proud of yourself!

As for your comment that 'we've all done it' I haven't. Ok, I've only been driving 10 months, but if I notice that I'm slightly over (and I mean by about 4mph max) I slow down and get back on track.

If a child ran out in front of me and I hit it, but I was going at the speed limit and the child survived, I'd still be very upset that I'd hurt the child, but if I had been exceeding the limit (and it doesn't take much - just 5mph over) and killed the child I'd never forgive myself.

You may feel very safe at the speed you're going, but please remember it can put people on edge. Other drivers can be put off by people speeding, so it's not just you you need to think about.

Pedestrians can step out in front of cars thinking that they're going at the speed limit and that they'll have plenty of time to cross, but in actual fact they don't.

To the poster who said about not sticking behind someone driving at 30mph, you're the type of driver I hate. You put other drivers off.

Jake, while you may feel very safe knowing that you can drive safely at that speed, other drivers don't know you can and it puts them off.

I don't know why people think that speeding is a law that isn't really important - they're often there for a reason - ok some are just money making gadgets, but it's dangerous to exceed them in many circumstances.

Perhaps if more people were actually punished instead of being caught and then being let off, then less people would feel it appropriate to break the limit.

. I would still pass you if you were doing 30mph mate.... soz. :o

Jake, i agree with a lot of what you say mate but not the above. I admit i speed but i use my common sense mate, i think a good driver can and does speed but knows when and where. If i was doing 30 and you overtook me i'd be shaking my head at you.

I've been driving 23yrs btw. :P
This thread is about someone with 4 months experience Jake. Don't you feel that makes any difference?



one accident.... my fault when I was 19. At 19? Sort of backs my point up

Quite right, Lotti.
6 points = :wave: license.
Imho rightly so! Passing the driving test does not necessarily mean that you are a good driver - it could mean that you lucked out and had a nice examiner on a great route at a great time. [And don't even get me started on the sham that is the theory test!]
People are all too quick to forget that driving is a privilege and NOT a right.
Re: The OP - It is not my place to say what the outcome of the offence should be. However, if he was willing to risk his license; I doubt it meant that much to him in the first place...
[Speaking as someone who has only ever exceeded the speed limit by 2mph for about 0.15 seconds (or whatever the standard reaction time is) -- I value my license, because I worked so darn hard to get it! :hihi:]

I was told (as I only passed my test 10 months ago) that if you lose all the points on your license within the first two years, you don't get the 12 month ban that's normally issued you lose your license altogether and have to take your test again. (of course this can always be appealed).

yes its a Corsa lol, yes he was Sober, he is in the army and was on his way to pick a fellow mate up to take them back down to Warminster, Wilts where he is based, he was on his way to Huddersfield at about 11pm-ish at night, it wasnt in a built up area, it was just after Halifax road i think he said, u know the big long wide road?im sure he said it was there!

yes its a Corsa lol, yes he was Sober, he is in the army and was on his way to pick a fellow mate up to take them back down to Warminster, Wilts where he is based, he was on his way to Huddersfield at about 11pm-ish at night, it wasnt in a built up area, it was just after Halifax road i think he said, u know the big long wide road?im sure he said it was there!
A Corsa hey? What a lucky guess.

I think you'll find it is built up.....thats why the speed limit is set at 30.

The fact is, there are often reckless, dangerous drivers who don't exceed the speed limit. They simply don't take proper notice of the road.

However, Jake I have to say your posts are a little disturbing and I'm hoping they're not meant in the way they read. Because it really does read like you're proud of yourself!

As for your comment that 'we've all done it' I haven't. Ok, I've only been driving 10 months, but if I notice that I'm slightly over (and I mean by about 4mph max) I slow down and get back on track.

If a child ran out in front of me and I hit it, but I was going at the speed limit and the child survived, I'd still be very upset that I'd hurt the child, but if I had been exceeding the limit (and it doesn't take much - just 5mph over) and killed the child I'd never forgive myself.

You may feel very safe at the speed you're going, but please remember it can put people on edge. Other drivers can be put off by people speeding, so it's not just you you need to think about.

Pedestrians can step out in front of cars thinking that they're going at the speed limit and that they'll have plenty of time to cross, but in actual fact they don't.

To the poster who said about not sticking behind someone driving at 30mph, you're the type of driver I hate. You put other drivers off.

Jake, while you may feel very safe knowing that you can drive safely at that speed, other drivers don't know you can and it puts them off.

I don't know why people think that speeding is a law that isn't really important - they're often there for a reason - ok some are just money making gadgets, but it's dangerous to exceed them in many circumstances.

Perhaps if more people were actually punished instead of being caught and then being let off, then less people would feel it appropriate to break the limit.

Sorry if I upset you hun.... I don't mean to come across as being proud cos I'm not and it really doesn't turn me on in that way.... I know I speed and maybe after reading all the threads I may curb my habit.... this is the result of genuine debate.... and you giving me a good telling off. :P No seriously.... it has made me think a lotti :D I don't tend to agree with the majority and that is a first for me.... gonna cruise from now on and set out a bit earlier.... I was just being honest about my driving habits Lotti.... They will change as of going home today.... promise.

Twiglet.... doubt it was me love.... I live on the Wirral. :D

Tony.... I could pass you any day.... are you throwing the gauntlet down? Oooh! the name Lotti springs to mind here. :D :D :D :D PM me instead. :D

I thought people in the army had discipline shoved down their throat day and night, if he can’t respect the law what point is there preaching to other young drivers !

I would recommend that anyone who receives a speeding NIP looks here before responding!!

CLICK HERE (http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showforum=5)

if you dont hear anything within 14 days, your in the clear :thumbsup:

he recieved a letter from the police last week, he was doing 44mph in a 30pmh zone, he should get a £60fine and 3points, i take my test in 2 weeks(and hopefully!!!fingers crossed everyone) i will pass, so we have decided that if i pass i will buy his car from him and drive him about so there is now more incidents like that and so he doesnt lose his licence! :)

...and drive him about so there is now more incidents like that and so he doesnt lose his licence! :)
Is he not capable of driving to the speed limit himself?

Good luck with the test, by the way :) .