really disappointed. Needed my kitchen fitting before christmas, so put a post out on the forum, found this guy who sounded like he could do the job. Anyway after not turning up until after 10am kitchen was started, and although some parts were missing i would have expected an experienced joiner to have been able to deal with it!!
Anyway they left at 10pm the same night and when asked when they were coming back reply was 'first week in January'
Its now the 31st and no sight of him so far.
i have had second and third opinions off avariety of builders kitchen fitters and joiners and they cannot believe the state of the work done.
Including two pieces of solid beech worktop that have been put in upside down, a sink that leaks and no doors on the fridge or freezer because apparently the parts were missing (they weren't).
None of the doors are straight and a fair portion of the units don't line up either.
I'm sure other members have positive experiences but its worth bearing in mind who you invite into your home.

What's the joiners name or SF username?

really disappointed. Needed my kitchen fitting before christmas, so put a post out on the forum, found this guy who sounded like he could do the job. Anyway after not turning up until after 10am kitchen was started, and although some parts were missing i would have expected an experienced joiner to have been able to deal with it!!
Anyway they left at 10pm the same night and when asked when they were coming back reply was 'first week in January'
Its now the 31st and no sight of him so far.
i have had second and third opinions off avariety of builders kitchen fitters and joiners and they cannot believe the state of the work done.
Including two pieces of solid beech worktop that have been put in upside down, a sink that leaks and no doors on the fridge or freezer because apparently the parts were missing (they weren't).
None of the doors are straight and a fair portion of the units don't line up either.
I'm sure other members have positive experiences but its worth bearing in mind who you invite into your home.

i think you should name them for two reasons,one to warn other people or two so they can put their side of the story on the board..if they have one that is.

Did you pay him in advance like a silly person :rolleyes:

http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=81002
Seems to answer the question.

Thank god for that. For one awful minute I thought it might have been one of our more popular joiners, who's names I bandy about to people who ask.

Lorna, I'd get a quote from FNKYSKNKY or COGGY to set this mess straight :(
And ask citizen's advice about your next step in reclaiming any lost revenue

thats what happens when you trust a student - looking at the contact email address - to do a mans job

The contact email on the joiners profile is that of a Sheffield University lecturer???? (xxxxxxxxx@sheffield.ac.uk , I think students are xxxxxxxxx@student.sheffield.ac.uk.)

http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?p=586953#post586953
Says she's a student

Ahhhhhh....

Maybe get in touch with the university if he isn't answering his phone?

http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?p=586953#post586953
Says she's a student

:suspect: A law student. You would think she would know better!:rolleyes:

really disappointed. Needed my kitchen fitting before christmas, so put a post out on the forum, found this guy who sounded like he could do the job. Anyway after not turning up until after 10am kitchen was started, and although some parts were missing i would have expected an experienced joiner to have been able to deal with it!!
Anyway they left at 10pm the same night and when asked when they were coming back reply was 'first week in January'
Its now the 31st and no sight of him so far.
i have had second and third opinions off avariety of builders kitchen fitters and joiners and they cannot believe the state of the work done.
Including two pieces of solid beech worktop that have been put in upside down, a sink that leaks and no doors on the fridge or freezer because apparently the parts were missing (they weren't).
None of the doors are straight and a fair portion of the units don't line up either.
I'm sure other members have positive experiences but its worth bearing in mind who you invite into your home.

Lorna,
From the email address it would appear he's a law student from the University of Sheffield (I know because I studied at Sheffield Uni and know the naming structure). Get in touch with Student Services or even his department.

Seems a bit odd, the guy is called chris but the user name is lindsay and the email address starts with l, (sheff uni addresses are initials, year, course I think).

It is the boyfriend of the law student who is the crap joiner, is it not?? getting confused now :suspect:

Seems a bit odd, the guy is called chris but the user name is lindsay and the email address starts with l, (sheff uni addresses are initials, year, course I think).

It's course, year and then initials. Get in touch with the person whose email address he has been using.

And a new trade union has been set up today to help weed out all of the countries Cowboy Tradesmen! lol

Matt

Yet another sorry tale of an absolute w#**ker passing themselves off as reputable tradesmen.
Did you get 3 estimates? If you did was he the cheapest?
In my experience the public really are perpetuatuing the problem of cowboys. On the whole their main criteria seems to be based on price,going for the cheapest estimate received.
Please, please, please don't do this, get 3 estimates, get references and only then choose the one you want.

Matt
you say you are a registered construction and home improvments,how would we know you are not a cowboy builder?
and who are you registered with,it could be the dhss

Matt
you say you are a registered construction and home improvments,how would we know you are not a cowboy builder?
and who are you registered with,it could be the dhss

I dont know how you have the cheek to imply such a thing, but as I have nothing to hide, i'd be more than happy to answer that one for you!

I am registered in every aspect of my job, From costruction boards to Inland revenue, to all Health and Safety boards and Insured fully also!

I have liability Insurance to the sum of £1 million!

I am registered With the CITB and CSCS also Specialist RCI.1 Gas handling specialist certificates.

When I offer my services, I allways have all of my certification available for the customer to see before I start the job, at the bottom of each certificate are the contact details for each bored in full, so that the customer can check themselves as to how genuine I am.

I hope that clarify's a few things for you, anything more..... Dont hesitate to ask!

Matt

if u read the posts Lindsay is a student her boyfriend is a joiner aged 20. should answer lots of queries.
perhaps theyv'e split up & he's ****** off to pastures new.
you never know.

I dont know how you have the cheek to imply such a thing, but as I have nothing to hide, i'd be more than happy to answer that one for you!

I am registered in every aspect of my job, From costruction boards to Inland revenue, to all Health and Safety boards and Insured fully also!

I have liability Insurance to the sum of £1 million!

I am registered With the CITB and CSCS also Specialist RCI.1 Gas handling specialist certificates.

When I offer my services, I allways have all of my certification available for the customer to see before I start the job, at the bottom of each certificate are the contact details for each bored in full, so that the customer can check themselves as to how genuine I am.

I hope that clarify's a few things for you, anything more..... Dont hesitate to ask!

Matt

I think he was fishing for a reaction Matt.
Unfortunately we all seem to be painted with the same brush because of the cowboys which means our customers start with a position of mistrust. I just wish for once the Builders from Hell programs would show good tradesmen, but then again that wouldn't make good television.

And a new trade union has been set up today to help weed out all of the countries Cowboy Tradesmen! lol

Matt

Do you mean the TrustMark scheme Matt?

Nope!

Its a new private regulatory body that is to be launched on the 2nd!

They are meant to be S**t hot!

So watch out all you cowboys and stop knicking all us proper tradesmens work!!!!!

They are coming for you!

Matt

Nope!

Its a new private regulatory body that is to be launched on the 2nd!

They are meant to be S**t hot!

So watch out all you cowboys and stop knicking all us proper tradesmens work!!!!!

They are coming for you!

Matt

Have you got a link for it.

Cheers

Is this te scheme you're on about?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4660814.stm

Is this te scheme you're on about?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4660814.stm


Thats the TrustMark Scheme Strix which I mentioned. Matt says its not this!

the only problem according to that Beenie woman is that a fee is paid to be registered just like The Guild of Master Craftsmen, then you get the badges etc.if you are removed from the list you still have all your badges etc to enhance your qualifications.
the trustmark apparently does keep records of customer comment, which should help.
referrals are still always best i'm afraid.

It's course, year and then initials. Get in touch with the person whose email address he has been using.

And also put in a complaint to the Uni that it would seem that a non-student is using a student's University email account for their business purposes. That is definitely not on because the University's facilities are supposed to be strictly for academic course work. They'd need permission IN WRITING (which is not easy to obtain) to use the Uni's servers for any other purposes.

And a new trade union has been set up today to help weed out all of the countries Cowboy Tradesmen! lol

Matt

I thought that's why we had Trading Standards or are they just passing themselves off :suspect: Oh I've got it; its to help HMG new recruitment drive because they need job openings for all of us disabled people and they havent got any more work so the only thing to do is create loads more jobsworths.

We did have loads of quotes and had someone lined up for the job, hwever they had an accident and couldn't do it so it was a case of we need someone quick so we can actually cook Christmas dinner!!
The kitchen just needed fixing and worktops cutting so it wasn't a full job, and now it looks like i'll be sorting it myself!
i'l definitely look into action i can take to get some money back, i don't want him back to sort the kitchen out as he's obviously incapable and i feel confident to do it anyway.

Did you pay him in advance like a silly person :rolleyes:
It might seem silly to you fox but some people are lovely people and trust others are the same. put it down to experience (But still name and shame them)
By being misled by these people, the kitchen will have been in turmoil and thats never good.

well, my boyfriend felt bad cos they'd been there all day so gave them the cash, it was the 23rd of December, supposedly the season of good will!!
And yes we know we were stupid to give them the cash, but slightly digressing we were burgled two years ago and for ages didn't trust anyone and eventually realised while we thought bad of everyone and thought everyone out to get us we were having a miserable existence while everyone else just going about their lives.
Anyways it looks like benefit of the doubt is back off the agenda!lol

lornaf - much sympathy your way, we got done over by some tool advertising himself though the forum last year. just coughed up £1k to get someone else to repair the damage he caused to the roof.

currently making myself feel better by waiting for the bailiffs to go around and collect his belongings.

if that doesn't work i'm going to report him both to the tax man and his landlord (who i don't think knows he's running a business from residential premises), and freeze his bank accounts, hopefully forcing him into contempt of court (a criminal rather than just a civil charge) along the way. And if that doesn't get my money back, i'm going to try very hard indeed to make sure he goes bankrupt.

just so you know - it's extremely easy to start a small claim against someone, you can do it online (through money claim online https://www.moneyclaim.gov.uk/csmco2/index.jsp) - after giving them suitable opportunity to rectify the matter through written requests (send everything recorded delivery or by hand). How effective it is at getting your money back i don't know yet.

I thought that's why we had Trading Standards or are they just passing themselves off :suspect: Oh I've got it; its to help HMG new recruitment drive because they need job openings for all of us disabled people and they havent got any more work so the only thing to do is create loads more jobsworths.


Trading Standards are the one consumers complain to. At that stage it's too late, you've already been ripped off.
Trade bodies such as Federation od Master Builders etc help to assure you that the tradesmen is bona fide and met a standard of work before they could be admitted. Obviously things can go wrong even then. The only safe way is to get references and follow them up.

obviously a useless idiot,the forum is an excellent place for getting new buisness in what ever line of work your in but not if you treat your cutomomers like dirt.......:loopy: :loopy: :loopy: :loopy: fool:rolleyes:

obviously a useless idiot,the forum is an excellent place for getting new buisness in what ever line of work your in but not if you treat your cutomomers like dirt.......:loopy: :loopy: :loopy: :loopy: fool:rolleyes:


is that why you said you'd come and clean my windows in the 2nd week of january and never did?:D

lornaf - much sympathy your way, we got done over by some tool advertising himself though the forum last year. just coughed up £1k to get someone else to repair the damage he caused to the roof.

currently making myself feel better by waiting for the bailiffs to go around and collect his belongings.

if that doesn't work i'm going to report him both to the tax man and his landlord (who i don't think knows he's running a business from residential premises), and freeze his bank accounts, hopefully forcing him into contempt of court (a criminal rather than just a civil charge) along the way. And if that doesn't get my money back, i'm going to try very hard indeed to make sure he goes bankrupt.

just so you know - it's extremely easy to start a small claim against someone, you can do it online (through money claim online https://www.moneyclaim.gov.uk/csmco2/index.jsp) - after giving them suitable opportunity to rectify the matter through written requests (send everything recorded delivery or by hand). How effective it is at getting your money back i don't know yet.


Good luck, but it really is a struggle to get justice from a cowboy operator. The thing is they don't care what you do, by their very nature they are already dishonest. It will cost you money to take the case to small claims (less that £5000) and even if you get judgement odds are you will not get your money back or only get £5.00 a month because he has no assets.
Reputable tradesmen have a lot to lose so the threat of legal action against them as a last step should get a satisfactory outcome.
Also if you want to make someone bankrupt it will cost you around £300 and you will be in a long queue of people wanting a share of his assets if he has any. It's not unusual for creditors only getting 1 penny in the pound, so if you want £1000 back then thats a total of £10 your going to get and then only after about a year or so.
The only way to try to avoid all this is to NOT use cheap, cash in hand trades, stick with the bona fide businesses.

Trading Standards are the one consumers complain to. At that stage it's too late, you've already been ripped off.
Trade bodies such as Federation od Master Builders etc help to assure you that the tradesmen is bona fide and met a standard of work before they could be admitted. Obviously things can go wrong even then. The only safe way is to get references and follow them up.


Yeah well I could write a book on the dirty tricks which these trade associations get up to in order to protect their members. This Government thinggy is just going to be another spoof ripoff waste of taxpayers money. All it means is a load of jobsworths with jobs for the boys at the top with the motto he who pays the piper calls the tune and the people calling the tune in this case will be HM Treasurer.

It is the boyfriend of the law student who is the crap joiner, is it not?? getting confused now :suspect: no its not a crap joiner , its not a joiner at all , its just a cowboy robber , who needs hunting down to get this lady her money back .

is that why you said you'd come and clean my windows in the 2nd week of january and never did?:D

beacause i saw the local window cleaner and he said you were a dodgey payer,any fool can work for nowt:thumbsup:

beacause i saw the local window cleaner and he said you were a dodgey payer,any fool can work for nowt:thumbsup:

Dodgy payer??? given that we paid him twice (my husband didn't realise i'd already paid) one month that's a bit rich.

he'll mean the month i refused to pay because the windows were dirtier after they'd been cleaned than before - someone had dropped muddy water all over one of them.
:huh:

or maybe he means that when he calls around for money at 5.30 we're rarely home yet?

am i now going to be snubbed by all the window cleaners?? shall i be destined to dirty windows forever???

apparently i have upset Matt 1889 for asking him how we would find out who he is registered with,this wasnt a dig at him,it was just to prove a point that you shouldn't always believe what someone tells you.as what has happened in this post with the guy saying he was a joiner.
Sorry matt if you thought this was an insult to you and your buissness,it wasnt slander as you said in your pm and im not a n*sack

apparently i have upset Matt 1889 for asking him how we would find out who he is registered with,this wasnt a dig at him,it was just to prove a point that you shouldn't always believe what someone tells you.as what has happened in this post with the guy saying he was a joiner.
Sorry matt if you thought this was an insult to you and your buissness,it wasnt slander as you said in your pm and im not a n*sack


Simon you are quite right it wasn't slander but could be considered libel.

Slander is the defamation of a person or business by the spoken word which you did not do.

Libel is defamation in writing, your implication that matt is a dhss fraudster could be considered libelous.

check out this link, could be useful for all those posting

http://www.urban75.com/Action/libel.html

asking someone how we know a statement is true is not and cannot be libel. It's a perfectly reasonable question and doesn't make any untrue claims about the person in question.

Just to throw a spanner in the works, this guy came to my house just before Christmas to fit some skirting boards for me and did an excellent and very professional job for a fair price. He turned up (which was to be commended, based on a couple of bad experiences with a certain tradesman on here who promised to come to do two independent jobs and didn't show for either) at the agreed time, did the work swiftly and professionally, cleaned up after himself and I paid him.

I'm so sorry that you've had a bad experience. I had one with a plasterer not that long ago. You have to judge each situation, at the end of the day you never really know the standard of the work that you're going to get even if they say they're experienced and are recommended.

asking someone how we know a statement is true is not and cannot be libel. It's a perfectly reasonable question and doesn't make any untrue claims about the person in question.

I totally agree. I didn't think that simonk was having a dig at matt1889 at all, I took it as he was proving a point, Anyone can say they can do something, but it doesn't mean that they can...
Credit to Matt too for volunteering all the info he did. I think a lot of people will save his details for future reference...
I have. :thumbsup:


Originally Posted by simonk
apparently i have upset Matt 1889 for asking him how we would find out who he is registered with,this wasnt a dig at him,it was just to prove a point that you shouldn't always believe what someone tells you.as what has happened in this post with the guy saying he was a joiner.
Sorry matt if you thought this was an insult to you and your buissness,it wasnt slander as you said in your pm and im not a n*sack

asking someone how we know a statement is true is not and cannot be libel. It's a perfectly reasonable question and doesn't make any untrue claims about the person in question.


Thats why I said 'could be'.

'and who are you registered with,it could be the dhss'

The tone of the post was implying he is 'on the fiddle'.

It was a bit cheeky, but I thought he posted it to make the point.
Either way, an implication can't be libel either, you have to come straight out and say it (and present it as fact, not opinion) in order for it to be libellous.

It was a bit cheeky, but I thought he posted it to make the point.
Either way, an implication can't be libel either, you have to come straight out and say it (and present it as fact, not opinion) in order for it to be libellous.

I agree it was cheeky.

Nuff said on the matter.:thumbsup:

Just to throw a spanner in the works, this guy came to my house just before Christmas to fit some skirting boards for me and did an excellent and very professional job for a fair price. He turned up (which was to be commended, based on a couple of bad experiences with a certain tradesman on here who promised to come to do two independent jobs and didn't show for either) at the agreed time, did the work swiftly and professionally, cleaned up after himself and I paid him.

I'm so sorry that you've had a bad experience. I had one with a plasterer not that long ago. You have to judge each situation, at the end of the day you never really know the standard of the work that you're going to get even if they say they're experienced and are recommended.


Just wondering who you shonky plasterer was?

Sorry for anyone who's been ripped off and the advice to get recommendations is good but I've posted twice (or maybe thrice :D ) on the forum using such obscure :confused: titles as 'quotes required for loft extension' & 'any good builders out there' and got one response from someone wanting to give me a quote. I have also asked around at work and got no response from satisfied customers. There is a massive mountain for honest tradesmen to climb to be recognised as reputable and the minority who produce shoddy work have a huge impact on the business of craftsmen.

I have now found some 'reputable' builders through the Federation of Master Builders website who have some very useful information regarding the correct questions to ask and which answers to be suspicious of. Assuming I get a local builder and am happy with the work I will certainly post their details on here - still looking for someone to do the dormer loft extension. pm me if you're interested in quoting

I am also having a new kitchen fitted this month and appliances supplied from a company in Sheffield so I'll also post details of any experience - good or bad

I have no phone or b.band access at home at the moment due to Murphy's cutting through the phone cable on my street but not bothering to notify BT of their c*ck up so I'll respond to pm's when I can get to a pc with tinternet access - there suitably named and shamed!!!

Why don't you smash his face in.... then he would think about ripping people off again.... Use the wonky cupboard door..........

Just wondering who you shonky plasterer was?

A lad from Doncaster. There's a thread about it on here somewhere. He came via the Forum and I believe has now been banned.