Ok. This is absolutely unbelievable. A nine year old boy argues with his mother over chocolate milk while playing Xbox. I'm ashamed to say they're american. Wow. The mouth on this kid! If he were mine? He'd definitely get his bottom warmed!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7153152098207965240

:( Sierra

*Warning* Some profanity!

Sierra, to give him a "bottom warming" in the UK is now illegal, believe it or not.

One can give them a tap, as long as it doesn't leave a mark.

"Experts" are employed on TV programs over here to sort out a plethora of "difficult" children. :loopy:

You couldn't make it up, could you.

You not met my x neighbours from shirecliffe then ?

Use to be a woman and a girl on our road that was age of 5 when i got to live in that esate we lived on for 4ys,and the mouthy little girl she was all the other mother just wanted to smack her the way she was with people and her own mother.If she did not have what the other kids had that it and it would be broken,she talk to you like a adult swearing and shouting all the time.she sent her mother into tears most of the time.blamed her mother for falling down the in street or her friends falling out with her and anything that happend.
One time the mother (not nameing names) throw out her game console out of the window for being like she is as she showing off.what did the girl do but set fire to the house and just stood out side and wile firemen putting fire out and said "well if you not broken my things i would not have broken yours".Even tho i do not see them no more with moveing i still hear she is the little devil from hell.
This kid on hear sounds like an angel then the other girl i knew.

Hi Sierra,

I can safely say most societies stand shoulder to shoulder in their consistent ability to raise a small percentage of horrible, foul mouthed, ill mannered, petulant, rude children. I've lost count of the amount of times I've heard an under 10 yr old swearing like a dockyard worker with an ease which can only come with regular practice.

Naughty step my foot, I'd tell the profane urchin to cut me a switch from the tree in the back garden so I can give him a ruddy good birching.- You know? I swear I was born 30 years too late!

shoeshine, it's illegal in the US as well. The result being the potty mouthed kid on the video. Being a child, he's got no idea just how awful he sounds. And mom ought to be shot. He's only nine. Can you imagine him in ten years?

dieselbabe, we've got one like that in our neighborhood. He is THE most obnoxious child I've ever come into contact with. When he opens his mouth, I want to stuff a dirty sock into it. There is something almost sinister about the way he orders his mother about and takes money from her purse. It actually creeps me out a little.

Swan_Vesta, if I had talked to MY mother like that? The police would have found my body in a shallow grave somewhere. When I was about 10, I mouthed off to my father. He told me to do some chore, and I told him to "cool it". I got my face slapped so hard my eyes were watering, and I never, ever, did THAT again.

I certainly don't advocate hitting children. I've never hit my own children, aside from the odd swat on the backside when they ran into the street, or ran away from me in a crowd. But letting a kid get away with this sort behavior is a form of child abuse. It's certainly neglect anyway.

:) Sierra

I agree with all the sentiments expressed on here , so far .
Sorry to say though it will be a very , very difficult job to get back to a half-way decent society again .
In the U.K. , for at least the past 30 years or so , we have let the progressive "thinkers " have their way , together with the Hand-Wringers , the Do-Gooders and the Control Freaks .
They seem unable to see what's happened and what's happening under their noses .Perhaps some are too thick to understand what their decisions have brought us to and the others are too ashamed to say they were wrong .
You only have to read many of the threads on S.F. and if even half of them are true about our schools , for example , it paints a terrible picture . Our prisons are bulging at the seams and violent crime continues to rise further and further .Family life is on the slide .
The irony is that we are spending billions of pounds more than we ever used to do on our hospitals , police and schools . [ Shurely shome mishtake ? ]
When we finally decide to put the Genie back in the bottle , if we ever do try that is , we will find it almost impossible , I think .

dont particularly beleive in smackin kids but i think there comes a point when they need some discipline, even if is just the once so that they learn consequences of their actions. even animals in wild punish their young. There is a big difference between repremanding a kid and beating them and anybody who doesnt know where to draw the line isnt gonna listen to laws anyway!

I feel very fortunate that my son isnt as obnoxious as that 9 year old, dont get me wrong he is no angel and does push the boundaries from time to time but he knows I wont tolerate any back chat, answering me back or him giving me lip and he knows he will get a smack if he really pushes his luck.

I feel it is necessary to give my child consquences of his actions.

Smacking for me is the final option and not something I do frequently but it is the last straw if all other forms of discipline have failed.

As a result I usually only have to ask my son to do something once and he does as he is told.

When I look back to my own upbringing I was also smacked and to be honest I am glad I was because it taught me boundaries and consequences of my actions, I was a good child and as a result have grown into a responsible law abiding adult, I dont drink, I have never taken drugs and I would never disrespect my elders.

I really feel that if there was more of this discipline today there wouldnt be the yob culture that there is and children / teens would respect their elders.

I am 30 years old and I remember back in the early 80's that children rarely misbehaved in schools. I feel that the government have taken away a parents right to discipline and as a result the attitude is now to punish the parent instead of the child and by doing that our government is failing our children by not making them accountable for their own wrongdoings.

The child has to have heard / learnt that behaviour somewhere, so whose example is she following. Quite amusing when small and just learning but not so funny whan older. Other people's children have to contend with them at school whan they have made a real effort to bring theirs up correctly

hazel

Another thread containing worrying approval of child abuse and slagging off those who try to help children without assaulting them.

Naughty step my foot, I'd tell the profane urchin to cut me a switch from the tree in the back garden so I can give him a ruddy good birching

Every behaviour has a cause and an effect. Children learn quickly how to get what they want or need - simple survival behaviour. I find it totally unacceptable to write children off with cruel judgements like "horrible"

Parents have a huge responsibilities and not all of them can handle it. Why? because of how their parents and environment have shaped them.

Using violence to abuse children teaches them that violence is approved of by their parents and only serves to continue the cycle of abuse. There is tons of evidence to show that child abusers are highly likely to have been abused themselves as kids. The posts above show this in practice.

Get a grip. In a civilised society we should not be still advocating that abusing children is somehow good for them.

TwoFour

If your theory is correct , then up to the 1960's practically every child or teenager should have been a violent thug--------because corporal punishment was widespread before then , both in and out of schools. The truth is completely different and points to the fact that we are all a mixture of good and bad and if we are not frightened of the consequences of what we do , then , many of us go on to be bullies and thugs .
As soon as corporal punishment , generally , was abolished or very much frowned upon , the bullies and thugs simply filled the vacuum , with the results we see today . It has been the , ""Left " 's greatest mistake throughout history , at national , international and local levels to view people as basically all good and if we could only manipulate society we will soon produce good or even perfect citizens .
As has been pointed out , no-one is advocating thrashing children to within an inch of their lives but there are crucial moments when a child often needs to feel afraid of authority ; not all children but certainly some of them .
We wouldn't think twice about pushing a child roughly out of the path of danger . It's exactly the same principle with behaviour . Sometimes one has to be harsh to get good results . Do children always learn by example ? How many children see their parents playing with fire ? Yet , often a child will do so , simply to see what happens .Thugs bully people too , often to see how much they can get away with .

Teaching children is a lot like training dogs. Positive reinforcement works much better than negative reinforcement. Children that receive 'positive' attention (encouragement etc) don't seek 'negative' attention (punishment) as much. Children who receive little 'positive' attention often realise that the best way to get any attention at all is to press their parents buttons until they snap and start shouting/hitting them.

The only thing that I learnt from being beaten by authority figures, was a 'deep seated' contempt for authority.

It's possible to punish children without hitting them at all.

It's good to bring up a kid to swear, break things and be an absolute pest. That way he learns that he can do as he likes with no consequences that matter to him. Think of the self-confidence he learns as the words "You're not allowed to hit me" come readily to his lips.
How sad when he grows up, goes into a pub, and starts the same behaviour; he's found semi-conscious in the car park, because not all the people there hold with his "self expression"

BTW, has anybody told the Mafia that capital punishment is not a deterrent?
Or that corporal punishment does not deter people?
You'd think they'd have realised that by now.

Think of the self-confidence he learns as the words "You're not allowed to hit me" come readily to his lips.
How sad when he grows up, goes into a pub, and starts the same behaviour; he's found semi-conscious in the car park, because not all the people* there hold with his "self expression"*people who where beaten as kids.

The kids I know (unfortunately) who's parents teach the learned behaviours of swearing and violence, (not to mention no work ethic or respect for property) have the first instinct to hit first and argue later.

Parents who feel that the best form of correction is to hit a person smaller than themselves are delusional. One day the child will be an adult and hit them back, because they don't know any different.

The shocked and embarrassed looks on parents faces when little johnny comes out with expletives in the most inappropriate locations is hilarious as they say "I don't know where he got that from!" Straight from the horses mouth mommy dearest, just as he learns that if you don't get what you want you shout louder or hit something/someone. :rant: rant over.

there are crucial moments when a child often needs to feel afraid of authority

I don't agree that making children afraid has any benefits in the difficult task of bringing them up to be good people.

We wouldn't think twice about pushing a child roughly out of the path of danger . It's exactly the same principle with behaviour

No it isn't. Hitting a child with a birch or "warming their behind" is something adults do to cause them (even very mild) injury, not to avoid it.

Crikey, given the violent gameplay and foul language, what are the odds on this lad joining the US Army when he's older?

Ok. This is absolutely unbelievable. A nine year old boy argues with his mother over chocolate milk while playing Xbox. I'm ashamed to say they're american. Wow. The mouth on this kid! If he were mine? He'd definitely get his bottom warmed!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7153152098207965240

:( Sierra

*Warning* Some profanity!

I have to say, I would have yanked the plug after the second refusal and left him to his own devices.

I don't agree that making children afraid has any benefits in the difficult task of bringing them up to be good people.


No it isn't. Hitting a child with a birch or "warming their behind" is something adults do to cause them (even very mild) injury, not to avoid it.

While I do agree with both of these points, I genuinely believe there's a big difference between flogging a kid and a slap on the wrist.

A slap on the wrist may be more effective than trying to discuss at length the consequences of a childs behaviour, when they've just cracked their younger sibling over the head with a heavy object, for instance.

In the case of the lad shown in the video, if he's cursing his own mother like that at a young age, then there is something seriously wrong.

Whose fault is it? The child? The parent? Society?

If it's the latter, then what can we do to prevent it happening again? We're part of society too :|

Crikey, given the violent gameplay and foul language, what are the odds on this lad joining the US Army when he's older?

Actually Abdul, I think the US army would straighten this boy right out. No way he'd be demanding someone better bring him some "em-effing chocolate milk", ay? ;)

Now that I've had some time to think about this, I realize how wrong I was to have treated this unfortunate child as a freak show. But for those of us who were taught to have consideration and respect for others, to have some manners, to behave, to respect our elders, and if we didn't...well. We knew exactly what would happen next, and it wouldn't be pretty.

This boy's behavior was so shocking, so different from the way we were raised, that, like a car wreck, most of us just had to look.

Abdul, I do agree that sometimes debating, or trying to "reason" with a child is bloody useless. A swat on the bottom, or a smack on the hand will get their attention and let them know that walloping sister or brother in the noggin with a toy coffee pot will not be tolerated. (My girl actually did this to her brother. Gah! She claimed he hit her.)

Phan, I'd have done the same and just turned the game off, or taken it away as need be. My saying that I would have warmed his bottom was a knee jerk response to what has to be just about the worst behavior I've ever seen from a nine year old. It's what MY father would have done, and I certainly would have wanted to, but then, NONE of us kids would have ever dared speak to one of our parents, or anyone else like that.

I can't imagine my own kids ever talking to me or their father like that. But then, some people are parents in name only, and who knows, the woman on the video may be one of them.

For whatever reason, this child's spineless excuse of a mother has refused to deal with her son. Perhaps she feels it's just not worth the fight, or she's got bigger problems, so she allows him to do as he pleases. And like a tiny crazed roman emperor, this boy has demanded more and more until he's cussing his mother out when she won't do what he wants.

At this point, the kid and his family could probably benefit from professional counseling. I'd give my eye teeth to talk to his teachers and neighbors and see what they have to say. ;)

:) Sierra

I think that one thing that has maybe unintentionally slipped through conversational net on this topic, and this is pure speculation, is that the parents have in all probability tried numerous passive tactics ie reasoning, using reinforcing behaviour etc with this kid and that either a smack or a slap is the only viable recourse left. But at the end of it, if I had had the misfortune to sire such an unruly future asbo candidate then I can assuredly say i would have slapped the little horror many stages before he started to exhibit that kind of unacceptable behaviour.

Kids of today ......... No respect.

I think that one thing that has maybe unintentionally slipped through conversational net on this topic, and this is pure speculation, is that the parents have in all probability tried numerous passive tactics ie reasoning, using reinforcing behaviour etc with this kid and that either a smack or a slap is the only viable recourse left. But at the end of it, if I had had the misfortune to sire such an unruly future asbo candidate then I can assuredly say i would have slapped the little horror many stages before he started to exhibit that kind of unacceptable behaviour.

Kids of today ......... No respect.

Some kids of today, just as some kids from the previous generation had no respect. Probably more now though.

Fareast -

whilst I sympathise with your views (i was always disciplined with a smack bottom and it never did me any harm) - I do think you're being a little bit reductionist. Parents and teachers aren't the only influence on kids - perhaps they're taking more drugs and using more weapons and asking for more 'effing millk' partly because there are more drugs, guns, knives and swearing in popular culture and wider society than ever before.

As an aside - some of the most violent young men I know are terrified of beatings from their parents. As Phan says I think I tried hard at school because I didn't want to disappoint my parents and I wanted them to praise me etc.