Which of these would win if they had a fight at their peak?

I can't believe I've voted in this...


You know what they say - back a puncher against a kicker, back a grappler against a puncher. As soon as it went to the floor (which it always does), it'd be game over for Brucie.

Bruce Lee could kick anyone's arse, even a UFC guy such as Royce Gracie.

Ive voted for Bruce Lee as I think that he would be too quick for Royce and it wouldnt even get to the floor. However if Bruce did make a mistake, then Royce would take him down in an instant and it would be game over for Bruce.

Who is Royce Gracie ?? Brucie would kiss ass with alot of people

Who is Royce Gracie ?? Brucie would kiss ass with alot of people

Royce Gracie fights for UFC, the Ultimate Fighting Championships... Which is sort of the MMA (Mixed Martial Arts) equivalent of the WWE (World Wrestling Entertainment).

Royce Gracie fights for UFC, the Ultimate Fighting Championships... Which is sort of the MMA (Mixed Martial Arts) equivalent of the WWE (World Wrestling Entertainment).

Haha. Wrestling is fake Rich ;)

UFC is what's making MMA more and more popular. 2 fighters in a cage (an octagon, it's not as brutal as it sounds...) and fight 3 x 5 minutes rounds (generally). Not many rules, but if you got knocked down you don't get 10 seconds to get back up like in boxing, you get the guy jumping on you and battering you until the ref stops him :)

Royce Gracie fights for UFC, the Ultimate Fighting Championships... Which is sort of the MMA (Mixed Martial Arts) equivalent of the WWE (World Wrestling Entertainment).

Except its real and not fixed, and people dont rise from the dead or breath fire or knock out referees or do little dances before doing their finishing move or no before the fight whats going to happen or climb on top of turn buckles and do backflips etc etc etc

Haha. Wrestling is fake Rich ;)

UFC is what's making MMA more and more popular. 2 fighters in a cage (an octagon, it's not as brutal as it sounds...) and fight 3 x 5 minutes rounds (generally). Not many rules, but if you got knocked down you don't get 10 seconds to get back up like in boxing, you get the guy jumping on you and battering you until the ref stops him :)

Um, I've known all about wrestling being fake ever since I saw Randy Savage get "bitten" by a King Cobra which was set on him by Jake the Snake Roberts back in the late 80s, and live to tell the tale.

Except its real and not fixed, and people dont rise from the dead or breath fire or knock out referees or do little dances before doing their finishing move or no before the fight whats going to happen or climb on top of turn buckles and do backflips etc etc etc

Or give birth to a plastic hand, or wear silly masks etc.

Um, I've known all about wrestling being fake ever since I saw Randy Savage get "bitten" by a King Cobra which was set on him by Jake the Snake Roberts back in the late 80s, and live to tell the tale.

If that was Chuck Norris he would have eaten the snake and pi$$ed out it's venom. Chuck Norris uses a live python as a condom.

I seen UFC live in Sheff this year and it usually ended up with the two bloke rolling around the floor hugging each other!

I seen UFC live in Sheff this year and it usually ended up with the two bloke rolling around the floor hugging each other!

You sure you actually left the house to see that :suspect:

Of course Bruce would win. Wasn't his game plan to study the individual/art/style and then adapt his way to work better against his foe. He would have been too quick for it to end up on the floor.

Of course Bruce would win. Wasn't his game plan to study the individual/art/style and then adapt his way to work better against his foe. He would have been too quick for it to end up on the floor.

It's never too quick to end up on the floor ;)

If that was Chuck Norris he would have eaten the snake and pi$$ed out it's venom. Chuck Norris uses a live python as a condom.

2 guys trying to break eachothers arms, dropping big elbows/forearms/punches is hardly hugging.

It's never too quick to end up on the floor ;)

True, but it tends to be more of an advantage to be quicker than your opponant.

True, but it tends to be more of an advantage to be quicker than your opponant.

Well I do tend to come first myself ;)

Someone always has to lower the tone!! :)

voting will be pointless...the thread might as well say...

who is more popular...

royce gracie isnt a publicity hound or anything, just a damn fine fighter who has beaten any style thrown at him. end of.

voting will be pointless...the thread might as well say...

who is more popular...

royce gracie isnt a publicity hound or anything, just a damn fine fighter who has beaten any style thrown at him. end of.

Bruce Lee would still have kicked several shades of sh*te out of his ass though.

Bruce Lee would still have kicked several shades of sh*te out of his ass though.

:hihi: :thumbsup:

For someone who likes wrestling, you make a good point :clap:

Bruce Lee would still have kicked several shades of sh*te out of his ass though.
i think rik flare would take em both.

:help:

i think rik flare would take em both.

:help:

Considering he wears tights and make up, im sure Rik Flair would love to take em both :heyhey:

Considering he wears tights and make up, im sure Rik Flair would love to take em both :heyhey:

Oi you, Ric Flair is a Legend! Who else can take sledgehammers and steel chairs to the noggin on a regular basis and still walk out of the ring under his own strength eh?!

And yes Spyro I know the sledgehammers are probably plastic and the steel chairs false.

No, snuffing it is an expensive business these days.. Sorry, bad taste joke, Mods feel free to tell me off.

Oi you, Ric Flair is a Legend! Who else can take sledgehammers and steel chairs to the noggin on a regular basis and still walk out of the ring under his own strength eh?!

And yes Spyro I know the sledgehammers are probably plastic and the steel chairs false.
a man that can get beat up by 5 men at a time and then walk to the centre of the ring and go 'woooooo' then collapse...... yeah he's one tough cookie, and the worst actor in the world!


please note there is sarcasm in this post

Although I'm a fan of Bruce Lee I must admit that he's not the best actor. It's a good job then that his acting ability did not cause him to lose the number one spot in the Martial Arts Hall of Fame in 1999.

Although, having said that the fifth annual ceremony was themed around martial arts in the media and Robert Lee did accept on Bruce's behalf several awards.

Bruce Lee vs Royce Gracie - who would win?
Are you all bloody insane?

Bruce Lee is a bloke who learned a lot of the martial arts out there and thought sod this- they are all crap, I know 'I'll invent my own'
And so was born Jeet Kune Do.

Bruce is also the guy who is master of the 1 inch punch by the way.

Bruce would kick Royce's arse all over the shop, pick up his battered corpse and 1 inch punch it all over again just for the sheer hell of it.

No contest- Bruce would kick the hell out of any fighter on the planet.

Bruce Lee vs Royce Gracie - who would win?
Are you all bloody insane?

Bruce Lee is a bloke who learned a lot of the martial arts out there and thought sod this- they are all crap, I know 'I'll invent my own'
And so was born Jeet Kune Do.

Bruce is also the guy who is master of the 1 inch punch by the way.

Bruce would kick Royce's arse all over the shop, pick up his battered corpse and 1 inch punch it all over again just for the sheer hell of it.

No contect- Bruce would kick the hell out of any fighter on the planet.
and royce gracie was 2nd generation of the familys own style of brazilian ju jitsu. Gracie masters every style and adapts to each one, bruce lee had one style, gracie would let it go a few mins to see his style then take him to the mat and get a tap out.

and royce gracie was 2nd generation of the familys own style of brazilian ju jitsu. Gracie masters every style and adapts to each one, bruce lee had one style, gracie would let it go a few mins to see his style then take him to the mat and get a tap out.

I have heard of Royce, although, I still beg to differ.

Bruce mastered every martial art he ever learned and got fed up with the fixed positions and the overall weaknesses of them all- thats why he created his own martial art- Jeet Kune Do.

Bruce Lee did not have one style at all - far from it - having learned and trained in all the major martial arts he could use any particular style dependent on his opponent.

Royce could give it a few minutes true- but then he would be on the floor unconcious.. you dont beat someone who invents his own martial art mate.

Ive just invented my own martial art. Its called "Try and dodge my bullet". Can I be beaten ?

I have heard of Royce, although, I still beg to differ.

Bruce mastered every martial art he ever learned and got fed up with the fixed positions and the overall weaknesses of them all- thats why he created his own martial art- Jeet Kune Do.

Bruce Lee did not have one style at all - far from it - having learned and trained in all the major martial arts he could use any particular style dependent on his opponent.

Royce could give it a few minutes true- but then he would be on the floor unconcious.. you dont beat someone who invents his own martial art mate.
well in that case what about bruce lee against royce gracies father.....who invented a style of ju jitsu that is prob spreading faster then any current martial art.

http://www.gracieacademy.com/helio_gracie.html

Ive just invented my own martial art. Its called "Try and dodge my bullet". Can I be beaten ?

Can I come and join your martial arts club Mr Spyro sir??
Sounds good to me :hihi:

Although can we use rubber bullets though at the moment until I'm an expert?

well in that case what about bruce lee against royce gracies father.....who invented a style of ju jitsu that is prob spreading faster then any current martial art.

http://www.gracieacademy.com/helio_gracie.html

Bruce would still kick his arse mate- even his dads.

It still remains to be seen who would have beaten Bruce in a martial arts match, I doubt anyone would as the guy was the perfect martial artist for me and sorely missed in this day and age.

Bruce would still kick his arse mate- even his dads.

It still remains to be seen who would have beaten Bruce in a martial arts match, I doubt anyone would as the guy was the perfect martial artist for me and sorely missed in this day and age.
more like cult status over quality.

the martial arts equivilant of kurt cobain :hihi:

even chuck norris could beat him ;)

I have heard of Royce, although, I still beg to differ.

Bruce mastered every martial art he ever learned and got fed up with the fixed positions and the overall weaknesses of them all- thats why he created his own martial art- Jeet Kune Do.

Bruce Lee did not have one style at all - far from it - having learned and trained in all the major martial arts he could use any particular style dependent on his opponent.

Royce could give it a few minutes true- but then he would be on the floor unconcious.. you dont beat someone who invents his own martial art mate.

Bruce Lee is one of the most influential martial artists who ever lived, but he never, NEVER had to fight the best in the world, in fact if you read about the guy he simply didn't have the attributes to do that (for example he had poor sight). Joe Lewis, the great karateka and student and friend of Bruce once remarked that saying Bruce was the greatest fighter ever was like saying that someone who had never been in a pool was the worlds' greatest swimmer, and i wholeheartedly concur. Of course we'll never know, but so far i'ev not seen many objective points made in this thread - people just seem to be buying into the Bruce Lee legend without any critical appraisal. Of course Royce is far from the complete fighter, but in the early 90's he showed that BJJ ruled, and even now almost every top MMA fighter incorporates some BJJ stuff - without it, as Bruce was, they'd be demolished. With the exception of 1 or 2 familiar names on this thread, i didn't realise we had quite so many knowledgeable MA enthusiasts! :hihi:

This is an interesting thread and its great reading some of the responses.

I think that people are missing the point somewhat though.

Even though Bruce had dodgy site, a shorter leg than the other one and was addicted to medication, he could still beat the best that martial arts had to offer, Royce Gracie or not.

The guy was so quick, you would be on your arse very very quick indeed.
He was like the Muhammad Ali of martial arts.

Some interesting facts for you all about the great man as well

Bruce studies all types of fighting from American Boxing to Thai Kickboxing. His simple philosophy was rather than block a punch and hit back with two distinct motions, why not intercept and hit in one, fluid stroke.

Another interresting thing about Bruce Lee is his true ability to perform martial arts. He criticized Karate for its brocken motions, and Wing Chun for its flashy techniques. Both, he said, were not ideal to use in actual combat. This is the reason for the creation of Jeet Kune Do (JKD). JKD was designed to be used in real life situations. It's style is no style. The goal of JKD is not to master certain techniques, but to let your body express the techniques in its own way. Everyone has his own style, and JKD is a form of bringing it out.

Bruce remains undefeated throughout his life, except for a lost fight when he was 13 years old (this prompted Bruce to begin taking Martial Arts lessons). People jealous of Bruce, or people just thinking they could beat him, would frequently approach Bruce, tap their foot on the ground (this symbolizes a challenge), and they would begin to fight.

The fact above points out how good bruce was- UNDEFEATED throughout his life.

Just found this as well.. which I never knew about Bruce.

Private Students

* Mike Stone
* Chuck Norris
* Joe Lewis


Can you see the two star names at the bottom- Chuck Norris and Joe Lewis.

I think we should ask Chuck who would win in a battle between Bruce and Royce- I think he would tell you what I am telling you now.

I reckon Mr Myagi (sp) would beat them both..with one arm tied behind his back.

Even though Bruce had dodgy site, a shorter leg than the other one and was addicted to medication, he could still beat the best that martial arts had to offer, Royce Gracie or not. The fact above points out how good bruce was- UNDEFEATED throughout his life.

Bruce was undefeated cos he didn't fight ANYONE of any note. There is NO evidence whatsoever that he could beat anyone of any note.

i know that chuck norris and joe lewis were taught by bruce lee - i referred to joe lewis and his opinion of bruce's fighting prowess in my last post. Joe has stated (and quite rightly in my opinion) that Bruce simply couldn't withstand being hit by a bigger guy of someone like his (joe's) ability. Chuck Norris has also been taught by the Gracie's and the Machado's.

Bruce wasn't big enough or strong enough to live with the best in the world today, people like silva, couture, ortiz, liddell, shamrock, rickson gracie - they are too big, too good. they all practice what bruce preached - they take what is useful, but they have a bigger pool to take from. They've also learned what works in reality - bruce never did. sure he was undefeated - i know lots of people who've fought nobodies and remain undefeated - undefeated means nothing.

the stuff about JKD is contentious at best - JKD was/is more a philosophy than a style, in fact it's well documented that bruce regretted naming it. wing chun is one of THE least flashy martial arts out there - it can be criticised for a whole host of reasons (as can any other MA), but i'm not sure being 'flashy' is one of them. searching for random quotes on websites but not having the experience to relate them to reality still doesn't make for a solid argument i'm afraid - i'm no expert on bruce, but i am a longstanding martial artist (not an especially good one mind you!) and i have read comprehensively about him, as well as the evolution of the martial arts since the early 90s, and this is they key - martial arts have evolved in a way that something like boxing cannot, because martial arts has had the freedom to do so. even since royce first competed in UFC, the competitos are bigger, faster, stronger and most importantly, better skilled. bruce just didn't ahve access to the information and feedback that martial artists of today have. he was ahead of his time then, but this is now.

tell me who bruce beat and their credentials - their own records, their height and weight, then, and only then, will anyone have anything resembling an argument. sorry. bruce lee may be the ultimate martial artist, cos that's what he did, martial arts - but he wasn't the ultimate fighter cos that's not what he did, pure and simple.

Bruce was undefeated cos he didn't fight ANYONE of any note. There is NO evidence whatsoever that he could beat anyone of any note.

i know that chuck norris and joe lewis were taught by bruce lee - i referred to joe lewis and his opinion of bruce's fighting prowess in my last post. Joe has stated (and quite rightly in my opinion) that Bruce simply couldn't withstand being hit by a bigger guy of someone like his (joe's) ability. Chuck Norris has also been taught by the Gracie's and the Machado's.

Bruce wasn't big enough or strong enough to live with the best in the world today, people like silva, couture, ortiz, liddell, shamrock, rickson gracie - they are too big, too good. they all practice what bruce preached - they take what is useful, but they have a bigger pool to take from. They've also learned what works in reality - bruce never did. sure he was undefeated - i know lots of people who've fought nobodies and remain undefeated - undefeated means nothing.

the stuff about JKD is contentious at best - JKD was/is more a philosophy than a style, in fact it's well documented that bruce regretted naming it. wing chun is one of THE least flashy martial arts out there - it can be criticised for a whole host of reasons (as can any other MA), but i'm not sure being 'flashy' is one of them. searching for random quotes on websites but not having the experience to relate them to reality still doesn't make for a solid argument i'm afraid - i'm no expert on bruce, but i am a longstanding martial artist (not an especially good one mind you!) and i have read comprehensively about him, as well as the evolution of the martial arts since the early 90s, and this is they key - martial arts have evolved in a way that something like boxing cannot, because martial arts has had the freedom to do so. even since royce first competed in UFC, the competitos are bigger, faster, stronger and most importantly, better skilled. bruce just didn't ahve access to the information and feedback that martial artists of today have. he was ahead of his time then, but this is now.

tell me who bruce beat and their credentials - their own records, their height and weight, then, and only then, will anyone have anything resembling an argument. sorry. bruce lee may be the ultimate martial artist, cos that's what he did, martial arts - but he wasn't the ultimate fighter cos that's not what he did, pure and simple.


what he said :hihi:

bruce lee - iconic, superstar, cult figure........ it blurrs peoples vision and opinions.

what he said :hihi:

bruce lee - iconic, superstar, cult figure........ it blurrs peoples vision and opinions.

haha! lmao :D

yes, sorry, that was a bit of a rant over a rather silly subject - how do i get sucked into this stuff! anvil <<<<<<:loopy:

What seperated Bruce's art from many others at that time the fact that the indivdual was in control of the art not the other way round.

As for the his hang up about the name I think that it was mainly because he did not want people to be too concerned with the name. He did not want it to be JKD this and JKD that. He wanted people to see that they could take the raw material of self defence and make it theirs not just stand there and copy him move for move.

There's always talk of whether smaller people can last against larger foes but pound for pound I'm sure Bruce would be able to hold his own (I'm not claiming he would beat them all). I don't think many people would be able to stand a good old fashioned smack to the chops from some of todays top fighters.

I'm sure if Bruce was alive today he would have allowed his art to grow with the changing times, using any new/recent inovations in training. I'm sure many of todays artist would still have had a lot to learn from him and also the other way round.

Chuck Norris would beat both of them put together.

A study showed the leading causes of death in the United States are:
1:Heart disease
2:Chuck Norris
3:Cancer

He once pulled out a single hair from his beard and skewered three men through the heart with it.