Hi this is brian aiken from the world of martial arts & fitness studio in sheffield. Braulio will be holding a seminar at my studio on SUN 26th FEB 4pm-7.30
£30 for 3.5 hour session. Seating, drinks machine, lockers, changing rooms & shower facilities are available.

Brian aiken world of martial arts & fitness studio will then be affiliated with the Gracie Barra and I BRIAN AIKEN will start teaching BJJ with the training from Braulio.

Times and days will be different to John Goldsons Grace Barra at the 393 club so there won't be any classes running at the same time.

ADDRESS: BRIAN AIKEN WORLD OF MARTIAL ARTS & FITNESS STUDIO, UNIT 3, 67 EARL STREET "on the juntion with Eyre Lane" SHEFFIELD S1 4PY.
Between GATECRASHER Night Club & DECATHLON Sports Store & Situated behind the LUCAS GARAGE opposite the Council Car Park.
FOR MORE INFO
CONTACT DETAILS: STUDIO No : 01142013690 MOBILE: 07859909963
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If you phone my moblie, i will gladly call you back.

The Seminar will be Braulo showing basic to advanced techniques using the gi' and you with a partner will practice & learn them straight after. Near the end of the session everone will have a roll with each other to see if you pull off the techniques been shown, and also to see if you can tap the other person out.
You will get a chance to roll with him youself. I'm going to see how long it takes before he taps me out ha ha.

Braulio Estima Is A Black Belt Brazilian Jiu-jitsu Instructor & World Champion
4 X Pan American Champion
7 X Pernambuco State Champion

There Are 9 Spaces Left for the seminar.

Hi Brian, sorry I can't be at the Braulio seminar in February I'll be working elsewhere in the city centre that day! I just have a question/concern? You say that you will be teaching BJJ after the Braulio seminar. I was wondering what is your experience in BJJ as opposed to other forms of ju jitsu and grappling? I been training with Jon at Gracie Barra for a few months. I started because someone in my traditional ju jitsu club said that 'big strong people always win on the ground'. I went to Gracie Barra to try and disprove this guy - which I've done subsequently with him on the mat - and after thrity years of training in various martial arts at forty years of age I'm learning so much and having the best time of my martial arts life (even though I get tapped all the time!). However, BJJ is also the most technical martial art I have been involved with and it's a huge step from knowing a couple of subs, passes and sweeps to the sort of in depth and comprehensive knowledge someone like Jon has. I'm not being cheeky Brian (I'm too old for that-and I'm not sticking my tongue out at you through the anonymity of the internet...My name is Noel, I work at Victoria Hall across from the Crucible and from my nick you can guess what my job is there, so Im easy to contact!!) this is a genuine enquiry and if you have the knowledge and experience of BJJ to be a teacher I will be down the road for a class.

Nice one Brian!
its about tiem you got yourself affiliated to gracie barra!

for your info madrev , brianaiken used to train with royce gracie absolutely loads when he was based at castle bba
he also trained a hell of a lot with carley gracie as well
but i will let brian aiken answer these questions himself

I would recommend anyone who is into martial arts at any level to take advantage of Braulio being in town as he is a not only a great martial artsist but a really nice guy. I hosted a seminar with him last year and he was amazing.
Good luck with the seminar and the new affiliation Brian, it will go great.

Went to Brian's grappling class last night and thought it was quality, so I'm 75% sure I'll be attending this seminar.. Let me just get a couple more classes in first before I decide :thumbsup:

Cheers to CBBA & thanks to freedylee as i've been waiting for this for a long time. At first i was trying to get Roger Gracie before christmas but that was all up in the air, but with great links now i,ve achieved my goal.
GazB hoped you & your mate enjoyed it last night and thanks for coming to the studio. Are your bodies aching all over :gag:. ha ha well if they are the only thing to do is to do it again soon, or have a good stretch to stop that ache.:thumbsup:

Hello themadrev, well i started judo more or less the same time as ju-jitsu in '92'. my first experience with BJJ was in '98' when Carly Gracie came over & did a 2 day seminar and a few months late in sheffield ponds forge one day seminar then i was hooked. You can learn a lot from videos,UFC,and magazines. After was Royce Gracie in '2001' at Castle Black Belt Academy and went to about four seminars to Royce's seminars. Andy, Ross & I trained together when Andy came back from Royce Gracie camp in the states for a week and learned techniques from andy and improved our fighting skills. Ross and andy continued to train together as i had nothing to do with castle from 5 yrs ago. I now am catching up as i've learnt so much of other blue belts and will be taught by braulio and i will get my black belt, oh yes i will:mad:

Brian,
So let me get this straight, according to Freddylee, you used to train with royce gracie "absolutely loads" and also trained "a hell of a lot" with carley gracie", you're not a blue belt, you haven't trained for 5 years, yet your teaching classes and are going to be affiliated with gracie barra ?

I'm not being funny or anything but this doesn't make sense.
How can you have trained "absolutely loads" with some of the gracies but not have a blue belt ? And after 1 seminar with braulio become affiliated with gracie barra ?

Also isn't there already a gracie barra in sheffield ? If so does anybody have any info on them ?

Barracuda, yes. We're at the 393 club, Langsett Road, Hillsborough.

Training is Monday 1800 - 1930, Wednesday 1800 - 2000, Sunday 1100 - 1300. There's further info in other threads in this section including the instructors phone number somewhere.

I've trained with Brian before and he runs a good class, I'd go more often if I had time (not enough days in the week!). Wish I could afford to go to the Braulio seminar but, I can't.

Brian,
So let me get this straight, according to Freddylee, you used to train with royce gracie "absolutely loads" and also trained "a hell of a lot" with carley gracie", you're not a blue belt, you haven't trained for 5 years, yet your teaching classes and are going to be affiliated with gracie barra ?

I'm not being funny or anything but this doesn't make sense.
How can you have trained "absolutely loads" with some of the gracies but not have a blue belt ? And after 1 seminar with braulio become affiliated with gracie barra ?

Also isn't there already a gracie barra in sheffield ? If so does anybody have any info on them ?

As you quite rightly point out yourself, it was freddylee, not Brian, who claimed that he had trained with Royce absolutely loads - depending on what is meant by 'absolutely loads' i'm not sure that anyone in Sheffield could claim this, and Brian certainly hasn't claimed it. Also, Brian said he'd not been at CastleBBA for 5 years, not that he hadn't trained for 5 years. As for how anyone can become affilaited to Gracie Barra after 1 seminar, wll maybe there's more to it than that and Brian can explain, or maybe you could go to the seminar and ask Braulio :D

Hi Anvil, any news of the Royce visit or not yet........

I haven't heard anything, but then again i've been laid up for the last 2 weeks with a cold, sorry

Does this mean there are now 2 branches of Grace Brothers in Sheffield?

when has the cash got to be in Brian?

Hi everyone. there seemed to be some confusion with what people were saying and what they've read. I've not trained with Royce loads as he only comes over once a year or twice if your lucky! But I've continued training even though i did'nt train at castle. Now as Royce says its not what belt you are but what you have up there in your head. He would say "wear what ever belt you want" and you would still get tapped out. I.ve fought many people in judo and bjj, and tapped a 3rd dan in judo and i only graded once to green belt but i still trained, however i continued without grading & went on to win the North of England Heavyweight Judo chapionships 'Gold' That shows its not the BELT. In bjj i've fought a few and i aint a blue belt and i've tapped out blue belts but not with ease, like a good 15/20 minutes fight. Does'nt prove that im better in techniques as the bjj guys i,ve trained with are great & had far more moves than i but its also the experience really of fighting and having different variations on techniques. That's what makes it that little bit different. I intend to work with Andy Roberts, Roger Gracie, Braulio Estima & John Goldson to become lined with the Gracie Barra.
The Braulio Seminar is 3/4 booked and have paid up, but you can leave a deposit or you can pay asap. Its your risk for a space on the day as i don't want to be over full but have space to roll.

What blue belts have you sparred with for 15/20 mins and tapped?


Just wondered where to start training and want to figure out where to go.

By the sounds of it I think you might be best training with Jon Goldson at Gracie Barra Sheffield in Hillsborough as it seems like he's got the greater technical knowledge and experience.

Hi bjjman, I'm not naming names as this may cause upset and the blue belts i've trained with do vistit my studio often and we all have a good friendship. It would sound like i'm showing off and i do want to do that at all. As for which club you go to well, thats up to you but it does'nt stop you visiting both clubs as most of the adults in my grappling classes are from other clubs.
The blue belt twins trained with me last night and loved it and will be training wednesday as well & attending the braulio seminar. They haven't trained since andy roberts left sheffield when he was teaching bjj at the 393 club.

5 spaces left for the braulio seminar

i've heard good things about brian's place (i'm determined that i WILL get down there in the next week or so!). why don't you try both places - if you like them both, train at them both - you'll get a better idea than from listening to people on here, that's for sure.

Hi Anvil, any news of the Royce visit or not yet........

You might want to pm jitsu-brazil or bjjmonkey on this forum for news on royce's visit...

Cheers Anvil....I have been speaking to Steve via email re this so thanks.

cool - as i haven't been for a couple of weeks i wasn't sure when it was going to be announced, but i see bjjmonkey has announced it officially on another thread - hope to see you there :)

What blue belts have you sparred with for 15/20 mins and tapped?


Just wondered where to start training and want to figure out where to go.

or you could always try the roycegracie club at dronfield if it's not too far out for you - royce is due over next week:D

Steve & Lyn from the Royce Gracie Club in dronfield are great and open minded cause like me they don't mind where there students train when they're not open. Thanks for sending down your students on saturdays as it was a great class & a couple others from different clubs trained too, even more great having hassan the unbeaten cage fighter who trains with ian freeman has been down the last two saturdays. He trains with the best fighters in the world and even he says he's learning off me & i also learn off him. he just wants 1 2 1s with me now. wow he's a great fighter. If people are training with me and are from different clubs i must have good expirence and good technical abilities and different variations. I have a student and he trains at a different ju-jitsu club but does'nt tell them that he trains with me and the students who use to tap him out all the time are now getting tap out themselves.

i agree that it's good to train at different clubs, get a mix of instruction. every one, including instructors, has their own strengths and weaknesses, so it's good to get a variety of experiences. i'm sure most of us can learn from each other, and particularly for someone with my (low!) level of ability i certainly wouldn't be so arrogant to assume that there are people i can't learn from.

i've said this before but a city of the size of sheffield should be able to accomodate more than just a couple of clubs and i don't see any reason why they shouldn't exist happliy together, without any bickering or people making snap judgements without ever having trained at a place. i certainly would like to increase my knowledge and train with as many people as i can (as i'm encouraged to do), and i'd like to think i was welcome to train anywhere, regardless of where i usually train or where my loyalties are perceived to lay.

thats great anvil
you are the voice of reason as for braccuda and bjjman
what is your beef with brian?

I have no "beef" with brian. I was only asking about his experience/knowledge of bjj and if he's competed in any comps.

I'm currently looking for somewhere to train and possible find somewhere to hold seminars

hi barracuda, the last comp i was at was with andy roberts, ross pettifer and it was son goku somewhere near towards pontifrac i think in 2002. i fought the heavy weight valy tudo champ who's weight was about 25 stone. it was gi or no gi and i wore gi and the other guy did'nt . what a mistake but i took hom down and got mount. he was that big my knees did'nt even touch the ground. i was trying a new move from royce and did it wrong and got turned over and could'nt get guard cause he was so wide. Anyway he just layed on me and it felt like i was under a car but he could'nt submit me and i had a choke and time ran out. i nearly got him and the bloody buzzer went time. I was the only person to nearly win him and he toldme you nearly had me cause he was turning blue. He ended up winning the comp and the others got hammered and layed on more then me. It was a great experience and i would like to fight the gezer now im more skilled. As for comps im training my assistant up for cage warriors as they've phoned me and i'm to tell them when he's ready. I would fight in hillsborogh but i'm teaching all day sunday.

Hi to everybody, well I trained 121 with hassan muridi on saturday as a training partner because he did'nt want to train in the class. now I can understand as we did standing fighting , Thai Boxing, Boxing, Ground and pound and we helped each other on different techniques and so far he's the best fighter i,ve ever trained with in my life. He is best friends and training parner with junior aka king kong the brazilian cage fighter the mean looking guy who looks like he would beat king kong himself. I am learning from the best cage fighters and some people ask me / am i pure bjj. Well no because all other styles come into it like wrestling and hassan is many times wresting champion and he also trains with bjj fighters too. Hassan trains with all the best fighters in the world and im so happy that he want to train with me and he has 121's with christian at wicker camp the 8 times Thai boxing champion at the weekends. Im going to train with him every week and i told braulio about him and braulio said to invite him to the seminar this weekend if he can make it. I think the may have a roll.

No offense to Hassan, I have seen him fight and thoroughly respect his skills but if they 'roll' braulio will toy with him.

well that will happen but first i want to roll with braulio and for him to toy with me & then i want to roll with jon. Everybody is wanting me to roll with jon Goldson to see if his techniques are good and whether or not he can tap me out.

won't the fact you are much bigger than jon have anything to do with the outcome??

No cause its all about techniques is'nt it as people have said on this site and apparently jon has many good techniques so really he should be all over me. size can be used against you when fighting a good technical fighter wh o may be smaller, but saying that, if you have size, strength and good techniques you do have an advantage.

So its come to this!!

I come to your club to offer to work with you as a team under Gracie Barra, not only that but i would pay YOU to do it. I offer you MY students that I've worked to bring in on nothing but my reputation at the end of the year and carry on running Gracie Barra Sheffield as your own as it may be possible I'm unable to carry on.

and YOU CALL ME OUT!!!!!

Let me tell you something Brian, I've trained constantly for the last 3 and a half years in bjj. I recently broke my collarbone training and miss only one lesson because I felt I was letting my students down. I’ve trained with as many high grades as possible, I've travelled the country to do so all the major and minor seminars. I’ve brought brown and black belts to Sheffield to further my own and my student’s skills often at a cost to me.

And in that 3 years did I ever see you………..NO.

I travelled to America to train with three of the best instructors in the world for two weeks to give me a further boost.

Recently I have worked my a## of to secure a world renowned black belt to instruct in Sheffield to bring an even higher standard to the club rather than rest on the fact that my students are happily paying for my tuition.

So what have you been doing in this time to develop yourself to instruct bjj?? Read a few books, watch Royce in UFC 1 a couple of times, ask for a seminar and a name to sell your business bring in a bit of money of that name.

Well I can happily say I will not be working with you and have no intention of supporting your seminar.

You want to tap me you know where I am…….I’ll be training with a world champ! :rant:

1st of all i train my A**S off and teach seven days a week and i don't just teach grappling, i teach ju-jitsu for children, women,and adults and children are the biggest classes. I'm training mma and i'm training my assistant instructer for cage warriors too so my classes involve mma as an option. Don't knock books and videos as i have learn't alot from them and thats why including my other training i've tapped out blue belts in bjj. don't tell me to come down to your place as you know i teach every evening and you have visited me, so you have the time to come to me and we will roll with no hard feelings. I have not slandard you or pulled you down in any way & Besides all that I,ve trained with many other people not in bjj. Thats not all i do you know cause i,ve trained with james naylor ex champ who teaches thai boxing in Ireland and i used to fly out every month and a half. he's my uncle who started with andy marlow, then moved on to wicker camp with mick melany then move to master sken then moved to london the train with some triad fighters who he said were unbelievable. i also trained with tiger who is the highest judo instructor 6th dan in the north of england and trained with some of the british squad like steve gawthorpe silver olympic medalist. im training with hassan muridi every week now not every two weeks and will soon be twice a week as he as asked. I'm getting my ground techniques in other ways. I'm not that desparate to have gracie barra cause i'm training with a champion wrestler and look at pat hughes, he is dangerous and he's a wrestler. why jon would i want someone else to teach at my studio when its my name above the door paying me to teach at my studio. that like me saying let me bring my students to your club and take over your classes how would you feel. My studio is nice and well equiped and brand new and your not the only one thats offered to teach at my place once the've seen it and i am central. I'm trying to get with the gracie barra but is seems that your too selfish to have another gracie barra in sheffield and want it all to yourself - Why when we're the 5th largest city in england and is large enough for 2 gracie barras.
I did'nt call you out just wanted to see your skills for myself and just wanted a roll at the seminar and it's what alot of people are asking.

Anyway jon why have you spat your dummy out when all i asked for was a roll. you've heard im good and im not the best thing since sliced bread but is the fact that it worries you what people will think if i do tap you. To me it does'nt matter if you tapped me as it would be a learning experience and being tapped just shows that you've more expirence. Hassan choked me out with no gi but i can gice him a good fight with a gi, so what i'm learning and it is a privillige to be tapped out by a really good fighter.

Looks like you've put your time in training, funny how none of its in bjj!?! Don't see you wanting to teach those styles.

To be honest you can have the name and do with it all you like, I hope you make lots of money off it. My goal is to progress in the sport I do, not be the best in town.

I've not seen anyone mention us rolling EVER!

I've trained at most Gracie Barra schools and been tap by many, hell even my guys tap me(from time to time:D ). I've trained with Pep at Shoot, he's tapped me does he try to promo his club on it? Means jack! Technical ability has nothing to do with how many people you tap or how long you last.

I have nothing to prove, your the one telling everyone how talented you are all the time and nobodys debated it. So get on with teaching what you know.

I have no insecurity about my talant and only look to better it with includes bringing in a more talented instructor in my martial art to teach.

I won't say anything for/against either of you as I'd like to train at both clubs, but I will say that any disputes/arguments between you both would probably be better dealt with in PM as it doesn't look good for either club :(

actually all this argybargying is good drama
eveeryone in BJJ wants to know whats going on in the BJJ gossip scene :)

Great stuff Brian keep it clocking up

Your right its not for the forum and to be honest I dont usually get sucked in.

I'll agree to disagree. It safe to say that I dont think if and when there is two Gracie Barras in Sheffield I'll have much to do with Brian and his club. A shame as I tried to be proffessional about two clubs and made the effort.

My advace to anyone wanting to train in bjj is to try both clubs and Steve in Dronfield. We're all different and do the sport for different reasons.

All due respect to Brian and what he's done, does and hopes to acheive.


PS I'm starting a tai boxing school next week!!!:hihi:

sorry to change from the drama but what days will the thai boxing classes be jon??

I think he is kidding! ;)

maybe everyone should chill out and take up tai chi.

Where teaches it??

For me training bjj is about having fun. i don't want to be an MMA fighter (good luck training takedowns, submissions, clinch, wrestling, guardwork and striking to anyone who does) I don't have any designs on being the next abu dahbi grappling champion, and I really don't think that i'll ever require my training for self defense. BJJ is fun to me because you get to learn about body mechanics, balance,leverage and a bunch of other stuff that most likely sounds the opposite of cool but gives me a tremendous kick. I've been training for roughly 6 months and it's been 3 months since I got any satisfaction from tapping anyone out. Its all about the half guard sweeps for me :cool:

The reason that I've developed this attitude is because of where I have trained (including Barra Sheffield) and the people who have trained with me. A teacher should not be judged by his ability to tap people out but by his ability to pass on his knowledge and by giving us a reason to train other than those listed above, which are ultimately fruitless. I blame students thinking otherwise at least partly for this whole mess!

For me training bjj is about having fun. i don't want to be an MMA fighter (good luck training takedowns, submissions, clinch, wrestling, guardwork and striking to anyone who does) I don't have any designs on being the next abu dahbi grappling champion, and I really don't think that i'll ever require my training for self defense. BJJ is fun to me because you get to learn about body mechanics, balance,leverage and a bunch of other stuff that most likely sounds the opposite of cool but gives me a tremendous kick. I've been training for roughly 6 months and it's been 3 months since I got any satisfaction from tapping anyone out. Its all about the half guard sweeps for me :cool:

The reason that I've developed this attitude is because of where I have trained (including Barra Sheffield) and the people who have trained with me. A teacher should not be judged by his ability to tap people out but by his ability to pass on his knowledge and by giving us a reason to train other than those listed above, which are ultimately fruitless. I blame students thinking otherwise at least partly for this whole mess!

top attitude as far as i'm concerned - a refreshing change!

1st of all i train my A**S off

What's this word? Arms? It'll be a bit hard to train without them.

Anyway, let's all get along. Like the Get Along Gang. Anyone remember those, or am I showing my age (which I know for a fact is still younger than over half of you)?

Er...yeah. Jiu-Jitsu. Good stuff. Get down to all three clubs and decide for yourself that Barra is best. etc.

LMBHAO@Bassmonger
LOL LOL LAWL LOL LMAO ROLF *makes rolf harris noises while rolling*

Anyway, I say fight after school outside the main gates.

I've got next weeks dinner money on John to win by nunchucks

some people just can't stop themselves can they...if you're going to join forums like this one, at least TRY to make worthwhile contributions :loopy:

here, here.....I quite agree !

Yeah, it should be about fun. Maybe some people will have enough fun to do it lots and get good at it, but that shouldn't stop it being fun for them or give them a MASSIVE BIG **** OFF EGO!?!

Now stop squabbling before I tickle you all into submission :@

NB: This was actually meant for another thread but what the hey, still applies here to be fair

i agree totally
what makes me laff is that previously the striking arts had a chip on their shoulder
some idiots from wicker camp were like "no! thaiboxing is the best and if you disagree your ignorant and well kick you in!"

similar parallel here

I've trained at lots and lots of clubs - really wish I still had time to but I'm only training about once a week at the moment due to University commitments... fact is, the good ones are all good, for different reasons. I wouldn't go so far as to say that all clubs are good, but from the subset of one's that I'd consider to be so, I wouldn't be able to pick one out and say 'this club has given me more fighting ability than any of the others, after correcting for time spent there'.

However, the fact I'm only training once a week and choosing to spend that time at Gracie Barra Sheffield does say something I guess - about the atmosphere and enjoyment factor as much as anything.

I don't really see the point in 'this instructor could hammer this instructor' comparisons - although John has a point that people should maybe teach the arts they know, I primarily train BJJ and do several other arts as offshoots - but I wouldn't consider myself able to teach BJJ and also say, kickboxing. Well, not that I could teach BJJ either.. but y'know. Even if there were 50 local BJJ clubs, most people would still flock to the best one or two, so time will tell which club offers more to students.

It's a shame that Jon and Brian will at this point not be able to have any 'friendly' rolls. I am sure that Jon has a lot of pointers about BJJ that he could give Brian as he has learnt from the best, and in turn Brian may be able to share some things in the arts he has studied .

Freddy Lee, put yourself in Jon's position (although Jon has largely stayed clear of any arguements). If a muay thai practioner decided to open up a kick boxing school, and claimed the two arts to be the same, you may be somewhat miffed. Not because you are angry that there is new competition for students, but because you worked your butt off learning all the particular nuiances specific to kick boxing only for someone to come in and assume that they have the right to teach the same art because what they have learnt involves punching and kicking so must be the same.

JimanJim is the voice of reason.

It was funny at first but it's getting a bit heated and there is no point in there being big arguments over little differences.

People should just go to both classes and then go to the one you feel more comfortable at or the class you enjoy more.

some people just can't stop themselves can they...if you're going to join forums like this one, at least TRY to make worthwhile contributions :loopy:

Jeez, you need to chill out a bit ;) Nothing wrong with trying to lighten the mood a bit:cool:

so........ who'd win in a fight between steven segal and van damme :huh: :suspect:

seriously i have them both locked up in the basement, i'm taking bets :hihi:

Seagal, he's about 9 feet tall

Jeez, you need to chill out a bit ;) Nothing wrong with trying to lighten the mood a bit:cool:

..........:help:

OH MY GOD, PEOPLE ARE POSTING ****E ON THE INTERNET, I'LL HAVE TO GET INTO A LATHER ABOUT IT. WHATEVER NEXT? PEOPLE SAYING THAT THE EARTH ISN'T FLAT?

Being serious is overrated. Doing serious training while having a laugh is the future. I've seen it.

It's all over when Chuck Norris turns up though.

but that doesnt sort out my problem..... van dammes up set because segal has better hair... and he wont come out from under the bed:(

ohhhh chucks the man..... hes in the shed

Does the misses know you've got old men locked up in the house ?

Sssssshhhhhh..... she'll never know
:hihi:

He might come from under the bed if you take his chains off:thumbsup:

So how did the Braulio seminar actually go?! Were any belts handed out or any other significant events?

No belts were given but Braulio and Victor did spank everyone.

big up the estima bros

well jon whilst you were going to seminars i was teaching Ju-Jitsu & teaching grappling else where at andy marlows club so guess what , thats why you did'nt see me. to everyone for me & john i will leave it at that. we've said what we had to say and won't be working together and i'll just stick to what i do anyway by teaching 3 styles instead of four. I don't go around saying i can tap out every club and the people that wanted us to roll together did'nt say it on the forum but came to me and said so. thanks anyway jon and good luck to you with your club and the future. Well enough of all that well the seminar went brilliant and braulio & victor did toy with us all at the end and we all learnt good and new techniques and i will gladly have them back soon. even though i might not be with gracie barra i can still learn bjj but not as often as i want. maybe i will get the bjj training videos andy roberts insisted to get as he has learnt loads from bjj vids too. Hey,my students watch all the ufc knockouts and submissions and have put them on tape or cd and it is amazing the moves you get from the ufc because, let's face it they are the best fighters in the world and why not copy their techniques.

Pride has the best fighters by far, but thats just my opinion.

good night all

I agree

But I think the reason I prefer Pride is the atmosphere. The crowd understands whats going on and don't boo when it goes to the ground . The latest show was pretty damn good even without the top name fighters (yoon dong sik must be most improved fighter ever)

Saying that i'm definitely looking forward to Penn/GSP at the next UFC, could be fight of the year.

I'll be watching Penn - GSP tonight!!!!!!! Yeah, can't wait. Gonna be fight of the century