ive started my family tree and to be honest im sick of money hungry websites feeeding of people like they do, ancestry.com wants £200 for a year memebership. Ive already paid them £70!

I keep hearing about free resources that librarys should have including all the census records on CD-ROM.

Does anybody know where i could access any free resources within sheffield???

the ZC

Latter Day Saints, Wheel Lane

Sheffield Archives

Central Library

1841 census is on line http://sheff-indexers.thewholeshebang.org/index.html

1881 census is on line
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=census/search_census.asp

There's Sheffield Archives at the town end of Shoreham Street, and the Local Studies section at the Central Library. Both have a wealth of genealogical material freely available.

You could also join up with the Sheffield and District Family History Society for a modest £8.00 annual subscription.

I believe some of the Sheffield census returns have been put on-line by a local group, but they're not now at the URL I have for them.

And I forgot Free BMD http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/

And I see there is much more than just the 1841 census available from Sheffield Indexers these days - a good place to start by the lookof it

Hi Zerocool. go on to the Sheffield genalogy web site, to post enquiries you will have to subscribe, the term does not mean that you have to pay it is free, go on to the first page it gives you lots of options and help.
I started on that site and have gone back with my ancestors to the 1500s and my husbands to the 1600s.
Go on to the page "Browse archives' or 'Search archives'. at the top of the page is 'Maling lists' click on there, when the page comes up scroll down to ENGLAND and there you will find loads of different sites for all counties of England etc. DO NOT go to SURNAMES as most of them are American.

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~engsheffield/

Please ask if you want anymore help, I had a lot of it when I first started searching.
Cynthia, Ontario, Canada.

You can get a long way without paying out large sums if you find out where the people with a similar interests hang out and join them :D

Like Cynthia I would recommend the ENG-Sheffield mailing list. Here is a direct llink to the subscription instructions http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-SHEFFIELD.html. The site Cynthia quotes is the list owner's own site which supports the Rootsweb mailing list.

Another active place is the message board on the Sheff & Distr FHS site (you don't have to be a member) http://www.sheffieldfhs.org.uk

The Sheffield Indexers site listed above also has a forum where you can ask questions and request look-ups.

I also visit the Rootschat Site http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php

Hugh

ancestry.com wants £200 for a year memebership. Ive already paid them £70!

Why do they want £200 ?

Your local public library should have a copy of a new leaflet on Looking for Local & Family History in South Yorkshire. It has contact details for the libraries and archives and a list of web sites - some free and others which charge.

I've compiled a list of links you should need to get you started researching your family tree.
Please pm me additional links, and I'll add them to this post -
we can then keep the main thread free for general genealogy discussions.

NEW TO GENEALOGY?
GO (http://www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html) Newbies’ Guide - A newcomers’ guide to researching your family tree, by Roy Stockdill
GO (http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/familyhistory/) The BBC’s Family History Webpages

GENERAL SITES
GO ( http://www.familia.org.uk/) Familia - A directory of family history resources held in public libraries in the UK and Ireland
GO (http://www.ancestry.co.uk/) Ancestry - A huge website, offering occasional free trials. Costs £6.66 pm, £79.95 pa, or pay-per-view. Many features are free.
GO ( http://www.findmypast.com/) Find My Past.com - An alternative to Ancestry. Prices from £65 to £125 pa
GO ( http://www.historicaldirectories.org/) Historical Directories - A wonderful free digital library of local and trade directories for England and Wales
GO (http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/) Genes Reunited - Build an online family tree. Price unclear on their FAQ (“9.95 for .“)
GO (http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/) The National Archives - UK government records, inc. passenger lists and military records
GO (http://www.a2a.org.uk/) Access To Archives (A2A) - English strand of the UK Archives Database. Useful free search tool
GO (http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_IGI.asp) International Genealogical Index - Another free search tool
GO ( http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/) General Registry Office (GRO) – Official information on births, marriages and deaths
GO (http://www.parishregisteruklook-upexchange.co.uk/index.htm) UK Parish Register Look-Up Exchange - Post your information request, and wait for a reply from parish register enthusiasts

SHEFFIELD & YORKSHIRE RESOURCES
GO (http://www.sheffield.gov.uk/?pgid=2929&fs=n) Sheffield Archives - Information on Sheffield City Council's magnificent free service on Shoreham Street
GO (http://www.familia.org.uk/services/england/sheffield.html?pgid=2929&fs=n) Sheffield Archives – additional information
GO (http://sheff-indexers.thewholeshebang.org/) Sheffield Indexers - An excellent resource for Sheffield genealogists.
GO ( http://www.sheffieldrecordsonline.org.uk/) Sheffield Records Online (SRO) - An excellent resource for Sheffield genealogists. Free registration necessary
GO (http://www.sheffieldfhs.org.uk/) Sheffield & District Family History Society – An excellent resource for Sheffield genealogists.
GO (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~engsheffield/) Sheffield Genealogy
GO ( http://libplugins.sheffield.gov.uk/bmd/home.aspx) Sheffield Registry Office – Searchable births, marriages and deaths index
GO (http://sheff-indexers.thewholeshebang.org/DirectoriesIndex.html) Trade Directories – Sheffield Indexers' trade database – was your Great-Grandfather a chimney sweep?
GO (http://www2.shu.ac.uk/sfca/) Sheffield Flood Claims Archive - Sheffield Hallam University database
GO (http://sheff-indexers.thewholeshebang.org/ParishBaptismIndex.html) Sheffield Baptisms - Sheffield Indexers database
GO (http://sheff-indexers.thewholeshebang.org/ParishMarriageIndex.html) Marriages and Banns - Sheffield Indexers database
GO (http://sheff-indexers.thewholeshebang.org/ParishRecordsOther.htm) Marriages and Baptisms - Sheffield Indexers database
GO ( http://www.sheffieldrecordsonline.org.uk/searchapp.php) Hallamshire Cutlers Apprentices - Database of SRO. Free registration required
GO (http://sheff-indexers.thewholeshebang.org/SchoolsIndex.html) School Admission Registers - Sheffield Indexers database
GO (http://www.picturesheffield.co.uk/about.html) Picture Sheffield - An excellent - if incomplete - collection of images from the Local Studies Library
GO (http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl) Free Births, Marriages & Deaths (FreeBMD) - Excellent free (if incomplete) searchable database
GO ( http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-SHEFFIELD.html) Sheffield Genealogy Mailing List - A service of the RootsWeb.com website
GO ( http://yorkshirebmd.org.uk/) Yorkshire Births, Marriages And Deaths - A very promising site that currently doesn't include Sheffield

FREE CENSUS INDEXES
GO (http://sheff-indexers.thewholeshebang.org/1841Census_Index2.html) 1841 - Search the 1841 database of Sheffield Indexers
GO (http://www.sheffieldrecordsonline.org.uk/search51.php) 1851 - Search the 1851 incomplete database of SRO. Registration required
GO ( http://www.baseportal.com/cgi-bin/baseportal.pl?htx=/sheffieldfhs/full_search) 1851 – “Strays” index from the SFHS website (ie those not born locally)
GO (http://www.sheffieldrecordsonline.org.uk/search61.php) 1861 - Search the 1861 incomplete database of SRO. Registration required
GO (http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=census/search_census.asp) 1881 - Search the 1881 database of Family Search.org
GO (http://www.1901census.nationalarchives.gov.uk/) 1901 - Search the 1901 database of 1901 Census Online

CEMETERY DATABASES
GO (http://www.cwgc.org) Commonwealth War Graves Commission - WWI/WWII casualties from cemeteries and memorial records
GO (http://sheff-indexers.thewholeshebang.org/BurialIndex.html) City Road/Intake Road and St Michael's Roman Catholic, Rivelin - Sheffield Indexers database

LINKS, LINKS, MORE LINKS
GO (http://www.cyndislist.com/) Cyndi’s List – More links than you could shake a stick at

PRIVATE GENEALOGY RESEARCH SERVICES
None of these groups, obviously, are endorsed by SF
GO (http://www.researchingrelatives.co.uk/) Researching Relatives - A family based business run by Phillip and Janet Ford



Very few of these links are mine.
Thankyou to everyone who has supplied the links in other threads, and anyone who pm's me links in the future.
I won't give a long list of credits to save space, but thanks.

I have deliberately avoided linking to other forums.

Thanks for this. Been looking into my family tree for a short while now and its facinating. Managed to trace one strand of my tree back to 1803, but have started to draw blanks on some others, so hopefully these links will help.

Thanks very much for that Ant, I've been thinking of starting for a while, and you've spurred me into action!:thumbsup:

So how far has everyone got with their research, and do any of us share common ancesters? - Unlikely, but it's possible.

The names I'm researching are (in order of significance) -

Atkin
Burn
Deakin
Dawson
Duffy

And these names crop up way back in the tree -

Smedley
Hutchinson
Meahan
Fisher
Bailey
Kendill / Kendall

The earliest I have pinned a relative down to is 1786. All my research has been on my mother's side (the Deakins/Burns) - I've hit an immediate brick wall on my father's side (the Atkins).

My mother's family were grocers, photographers (one of whom had a claim for the damage sustained to his photography shop due to the Sheffield Flood), combmakers and, almost inevitably at some point, cutlers. Oh, and publicans.:thumbsup:

Why not post details of your brick walls, then see if anyone can come up with ideas to help?

the names i am researching at the moment are

sykes in shefield
nicholson in sheffield and doncaster
foster in sheffield, beighton
hunter in sheffiled
warrington in sheffield
goulder/goulding/goulden in sheffield
sorby in sheffield
wilson in sheffield mostly norton
dalton in sheffield mostly norton and in derbyshire
dunster in sheffield and lancashire
damms in sheffield and rotherham
marriott in sheffield and rotherham

mine have been in pit,cutlery trade and steel,farmers, some shoe and clogg makers one started of as a policeman but left to take up making cloggs.

one started of as a policeman but left to take up making cloggs.

If he was a policeman in Sheffield then you could possibly find his service records at Sheffield Archives and see why he left. It is a little complicated as you need to first get permission to view the records from South Yorkshire Police:-

Copied from A2A

[Access Conditions]
Police records may not be made available to research workers unless permission has been sought in each case.
This is done by sending a letter to
PR Officer
Press and PR Office
Police Headquarters
Snig Hill
Sheffield
S3 8LY
Tel: 0114 220 2020 ext 3848
Fax: 0114 252 3154

Hi.

www.sheffieldfhs.org.uk
Sheffield & District Family History Society, with a message board for posting your queries. Also inline indexes to 1851 census and stray marriages at the cathedral.

http://libplugins.sheffield.gov.uk/bmd/home.aspx

Sheffield Register Office with the facility to search Births Marriages and Deaths registered in the Sheffield, Ecclesall Bierlow and Ecclesfield registration districts.
This is an ongoing project between the register office and Sheffield Family History Society so keep checking back.

Tuppie

Hi Ant,
I have Fishers in my family but some generations back. I have a lot of contact with other Fisher families from around Sheffield so you never know. The number of people I have found a distant contact with is quite high so never say never. My main names are
Lincoln,
Turner
Garrett
Riley,
Norburn
Norton.
Kitson
Fisher
Robinson,
Green
Grayson

Hi Ant,
I have Fishers in my family but some generations back. I have a lot of contact with other Fisher families from around Sheffield so you never know.

My Fishers look like this:

James FISHER..........Mary A. ?
...1809 -...........=......1808
(Master Tailor)....\
........................\
........................\
................Miriam FISHER........William Henry BURN
..................1847-1885......=..........1831 -
............................................(Photo grapher)

==================================================

I've just downloaded the Woodhouse section of the 1901 White's Trade Directory to browse through the businesses. This entry caught my eye:

Name: Turner, William
Occupation: Builder, joiner, plumber, painter, gasfitter, undertaker.

Talk about a jack of all trades.

If he was a policeman in Sheffield then you could possibly find his service records at Sheffield Archives and see why he left. It is a little complicated as you need to first get permission to view the records from South Yorkshire Police:-

Copied from A2A

[Access Conditions]
Police records may not be made available to research workers unless permission has been sought in each case.
This is done by sending a letter to
PR Officer
Press and PR Office
Police Headquarters
Snig Hill
Sheffield
S3 8LY
Tel: 0114 220 2020 ext 3848
Fax: 0114 252 3154

no he was a policeman in lancashire i can get his records if i pay but not got round to it yet, dont know if he got into making cloggs as his father in law was a shoe maker or his brother was a clogg maker and with what i have found one of his realtives and one of his wifes brother came to live in sheffield and putting two and two together think thats why he came to sheffield.

no he was a policeman in lancashire i can get his records if i pay but not got round to it yet, dont know if he got into making cloggs as his father in law was a shoe maker or his brother was a clogg maker and with what i have found one of his realtives and one of his wifes brother came to live in sheffield and putting two and two together think thats why he came to sheffield.

The Traditional Heritage museum on Ecclesall rd is an interesting place to visit, they have preserved old workshops and shops, and recreated them in the museum. One of them is a clog makers workshop with all the tools and workbenches etc in place to give you an idea of how they worked.

It has open days on the last Saturday of each month, and on bank holiday Mondays. http://www.ucl.ac.uk/museumstudies/websites04/davison/

The Traditional Heritage museum on Ecclesall rd is an interesting place to visit, they have preserved old workshops and shops, and recreated them in the museum. One of them is a clog makers workshop with all the tools and workbenches etc in place to give you an idea of how they worked.

It has open days on the last Saturday of each month, and on bank holiday Mondays. http://www.ucl.ac.uk/museumstudies/websites04/davison/


My uncle helped build the replica shop - in fact he did most of the carpentry in that place.

Glad to see it get a mention.

The Traditional Heritage museum on Ecclesall rd is an interesting place to visit, they have preserved old workshops and shops, and recreated them in the museum. One of them is a clog makers workshop with all the tools and workbenches etc in place to give you an idea of how they worked.

It has open days on the last Saturday of each month, and on bank holiday Mondays. http://www.ucl.ac.uk/museumstudies/websites04/davison/


thanks for that will have to go and have a look

Why not post any queries you might have on the Sheffield Family History Society message board at http://www.sheffieldfhs2.org.uk/cgi-bin/forum/Blah.pl?

So how far has everyone got with their research, and do any of us share common ancesters? - Unlikely, but it's possible.

The names I'm researching are (in order of significance) -

Atkin
Burn
Deakin
Dawson
Duffy

And these names crop up way back in the tree -

Smedley
Hutchinson
Meahan
Fisher
Bailey
Kendill / Kendall

The earliest I have pinned a relative down to is 1786. All my research has been on my mother's side (the Deakins/Burns) - I've hit an immediate brick wall on my father's side (the Atkins).

My mother's family were grocers, photographers (one of whom had a claim for the damage sustained to his photography shop due to the Sheffield Flood), combmakers and, almost inevitably at some point, cutlers. Oh, and publicans.:thumbsup:

Any idea where the Dawson, Smedley and Atkins names are associated with?

Hi Rivelin6

Where are your Garretts from? I have done some research into a Miss Ethel Garrett of Kineton, Warwickshire.

Hi Hennypenny,
Mine are from Sheffield but I've not got any further back that Charles Garrett c 1850's so anything is possible. I will take another look at them and get back to you. It was my mother's maiden name.
Thanks,
Lois

Hi Hennypenny,
Mine are from Sheffield but I've not got any further back that Charles Garrett c 1850's so anything is possible. I will take another look at them and get back to you. It was my mother's maiden name.
Thanks,
Lois

Hi Lois

Probably not related then, as Ethel didn't come to Sheffield until around 1911, when she married an Ackerill.

My mother's family name was Garrett, my grandad served in the army during the 1st world war, he was knocked down by a lorry on Hatfield House Lane and killed. He was a pearl button maker by trade. My step grandad , my Dads step father was called Twelvetrees, anyone come across that surname?

My step grandad , my Dads step father was called Twelvetrees, anyone come across that surname?

There are 10 Twelvetree/s in the 1891 Sheffield census.

Tuppie

Hi Janner,
Do you know anymore about your Garrett family? What were their names? I have a Herbert Garrett born 1890 who was my grandfather and his father was Charles Garrett born 1855 both in Sheffield. I have not been able to trace them back any further. I know someone called Twelvetrees today they are the Headteacher at Rivelin Primary School.
Lois.

Hi Ant,
Sorry none of my Fisher contacts have a James:(
Lois

Sorry I've not got back to you Hennypenny but have just been snowed under with work.

Hi Ant,
Sorry none of my Fisher contacts have a James:(
Lois

Ne'er mind, thanks for looking.

Sorry I've not got back to you Hennypenny but have just been snowed under with work.

Lucky you - lol :)

Ne'er mind, thanks for looking.

We did an extensive research project into a Fisher family from Scrooby, Bawtry and Whiston a few years ago. We have a huge amount of data if you have any of these areas in your Fisher family tree. Unfortunately it is quite a common name so there are a lot of unconnected families.

Hi HennyPenny,
Looking at my Garretts again Charles' father (also Charles) came from Ampfield in Hampshire but I'm yet to locate him in an earlier census than 1861. Maybe it is one of nearby villages. I will take another look.
Lois

Hi HennyPenny,
Looking at my Garretts again Charles' father (also Charles) came from Ampfield in Hampshire but I'm yet to locate him in an earlier census than 1861. Maybe it is one of nearby villages. I will take another look.
Lois

I don't think there is a connection, because her father Edward Garrett gives his birthplace as Ashford in Kent on the 1901 census. I haven't gone further back as my only interest was in Ethel Akerill nee Garrett, as I bought a lot of her letters in an auction.

Hi Janner,
Do you know anymore about your Garrett family? What were their names? I have a Herbert Garrett born 1890 who was my grandfather and his father was Charles Garrett born 1855 both in Sheffield. I have not been able to trace them back any further. I know someone called Twelvetrees today they are the Headteacher at Rivelin Primary School.
Lois.
I know that my Grandads family, the Garrett's lived on Pearl St.

Ant I have Atkin in a branch of my tree Rose Atkin born 1885 (Sheffield) married Herbert Storer 1884 (Brewood Staffordshire) married Sheffield 1908 Her parents were Joseph Atkin (1856) Attercliffe, and Annie Hill (1864) Chowbent Lancs, married in Sheffield 1879.

Ant I have Atkin in a branch of my tree Rose Atkin born 1885 (Sheffield) married Herbert Storer 1884 (Brewood Staffordshire) married Sheffield 1908 Her parents were Joseph Atkin (1856) Attercliffe, and Annie Hill (1864) Chowbent Lancs, married in Sheffield 1879.

Thanks, Duckweed. I'm seeing a cousin in a few weeks who's researched all of the Atkin side of my family. I'll let you know if we have a match. :thumbsup:

I know that my Grandads family, the Garrett's lived on Pearl St.
The family my Garretts married into,the Turners, lived in Pearl Street will have to look them up further.
Lois

Thanks, Duckweed. I'm seeing a cousin in a few weeks who's researched all of the Atkin side of my family. I'll let you know if we have a match. :thumbsup:

My husband says he heard there are 2 distinct branches of Atkin locally, 1 branch stems from Norton, the other from Attercliffe. Hope that helps.

Hi Janner,
My grandfather's family lived in West John Street but my grandmother's father was born on Pearl Street in 1871. When were your Grandparent's there and can you give me their names so I can check if they are the same family. It is quite likely as there weren't many Garretts in Sheffield at the time.I believe my grandad was one of 11! ( In Ancestry listed as Garratt in 1891) Herbert Garrett born 1890 and was a cutler like his father Charles. If you don't want to post their names on the open forum just pm me.
Thanks,
Lois

Hi HennyPenny,
Looking at my Garretts again Charles' father (also Charles) came from Ampfield in Hampshire but I'm yet to locate him in an earlier census than 1861. Maybe it is one of nearby villages. I will take another look.
Lois

Hi R6,

Are those details correct? I was having a quick look to see if I could push it back the 51/41 for you, as my own research has taken me wandering through Hampshire villages, but couldn't find the 1861 census return...

Red

Hi R6,

Are those details correct? I was having a quick look to see if I could push it back the 51/41 for you, as my own research has taken me wandering through Hampshire villages, but couldn't find the 1861 census return...

Red
Hi Red Wizard,
Thanks for looking for me. I got the details from Find my Past website, it wasn't on Ancestry. There was only one Charles Garrett at the right age in Sheffield(3) in 1861 and it said his father was from Ampfield Hants Looking at Ancestry they have mistransribed the name to Garratt and there seems to have been another Charles Garratt of a similar age to mine from Thorne . I think that's why I gave up the search before because I couldn't be 100% sure which one it was! Hopefully I might get some more information soon.

Hi Red Wizard,
Thanks for looking for me. I got the details from Find my Past website, it wasn't on Ancestry. There was only one Charles Garrett at the right age in Sheffield(3) in 1861 and it said his father was from Ampfield Hants Looking at Ancestry they have mistransribed the name to Garratt and there seems to have been another Charles Garratt of a similar age to mine from Thorne . I think that's why I gave up the search before because I couldn't be 100% sure which one it was! Hopefully I might get some more information soon.

Hi,

Hope you don't mind me having a quick pry into your family history but I love a challenge!

Are you sure it's Ampfield? Looking at the census return it looks almost definitely not to be, perhaps Wakefield although I haven't zoomed in and played around with it.

Red

Hi.

The Sheffield and District FHS 1861 index...also has Charles (Snr) born Wakefield.

Tuppie

Hi Red & Tuppie,
Thanks for your help,
I think I might have to order either Charles junior's birth or marriage certificate to make sure I have the right father and maybe that will give us some more clues about where they were from. Like I say it was the Find My Past website that stated he was from Ampfield. As we know they can often be wrong but I sometimes find Census returns on there which don't appear on Ancestry. The certificate may show if it was spelt Garratt earlier but looking myself at the returns it certainly looks like an e to me.
Lois

Morning Lois!

Yes, I think it's is definitely Wakefield (although Ancestry have written it as Wappefield), the place of birth is shown here:

http://s184.photobucket.com/albums/x186/TheSteelRedWizard/?action=view&current=ampfield_edited.jpg

Conjures up interesting questions about the family, especially as the only feasible marriage I can spot is back in 1844-ish (between Charles and Elizabeth), which fits in with their ages but means they waited 14 years to have children.

Hope this has helped and I'd better get back to my 18th century butchers!

All the best,

Red

Hi Red,
Thanks for your help, it looks like I can push back my Garrett family a few more generations. Sometimes when the spelling is so close it's difficult to determine which family is right and with a name like Charles where do you start :roll: I will get back to you when I have some more news. It proves you shouldn't believe everything you see or read:!:
Thanks again,
P.S. If you want any help with your butchers just give us a shout:hihi:

Hi Janner,
My grandfather's family lived in West John Street but my grandmother's father was born on Pearl Street in 1871. When were your Grandparent's there and can you give me their names so I can check if they are the same family. It is quite likely as there weren't many Garretts in Sheffield at the time.I believe my grandad was one of 11! ( In Ancestry listed as Garratt in 1891) Herbert Garrett born 1890 and was a cutler like his father Charles. If you don't want to post their names on the open forum just pm me.
Thanks,
Lois
Hi R6, I'm on holiday at the moment , I'm using my daughters PC. I will get in touch again when home and have access to the info.

Thanks Janner

Hi R6, a bit more info on the Garratts, my great, great grand father was called Charles born march 1830, married Charlotte Joesbury. Great grand father was called John born 1855 , married Martha Lockwood . My grand father was called John Arthur born 1880 , my grand mother was called Clara Marriott , they lived at 205 Pearl St. Is there a connection ? It seems very likely. My grand dad was knocked down and killed by a lorry in 1934 , I was 2 at the time. When he died he was living at 116 Hatfield House Lane , Shiregreen.

Hi R6, a bit more info on the Garratts, my great, great grand father was called Charles born march 1830, married Charlotte Joesbury. Great grand father was called John born 1855 , married Martha Lockwood . My grand father was called John Arthur born 1880 , my grand mother was called Clara Marriott , they lived at 205 Pearl St. Is there a connection ? It seems very likely. My grand dad was knocked down and killed by a lorry in 1934 , I was 2 at the time. When he died he was living at 116 Hatfield House Lane , Shiregreen.
Hi Janner,
Not that I can see at the moment, the only John Garrett( Garratt Ancesry's Spelling) in the 1861 census has a father called John too. Do you have the census reference for Charles born 1830. Were all your Garretts born in Sheffield? After Red and Tuppie help the other day I believe my Charles Garrett originally came from Wakefield.

Hi Red,
Thanks for your help, it looks like I can push back my Garrett family a few more generations. Sometimes when the spelling is so close it's difficult to determine which family is right and with a name like Charles where do you start :roll: I will get back to you when I have some more news. It proves you shouldn't believe everything you see or read:!:
Thanks again,
P.S. If you want any help with your butchers just give us a shout:hihi:

Cheers R6,

The butchers are fine, its the sheep dealers I'm slightly concerned about!!!!

In 1871 census, William is born in 1862, his sister Nellie in 1863.

In 1901 census, husband William born 1862, 'wife' Nellie in 1863 - supposedly in the North East, but there is no mention of her in any previous census, no record of the marriage......... and according to the 1901 this 'husband and wife' have four children........

Hi Red,
What's that phrase- keep it in the family? well I think they have taken it literallly unless the transcriber is having a laugh:hihi:

Shame on you Red, having such suspicions of your ancestors!

Have a look at the 1891 census RG12/949 folio 21 page 4 bottom of the page for Williams wife. If you don't have ancestry pm me and I will send you the image.

Also look at RG12/949 folio 28 page 18 for sister Nellie whose marriage was Sep qtr 1888 Alresford ref 2c 257 :)

I do like puzzles :)

Hi R6, my grandad born 1880 is in the register Vol 9c p. 418, there maybe a Coventry connection, 1851 Charles was 21, his father was John, mother Sarah. Does any of that fit the jig-saw?

Shame on you Red, having such suspicions of your ancestors!

Have a look at the 1891 census RG12/949 folio 21 page 4 bottom of the page for Williams wife. If you don't have ancestry pm me and I will send you the image.

Also look at RG12/949 folio 28 page 18 for sister Nellie whose marriage was Sep qtr 1888 Alresford ref 2c 257 :)

I do like puzzles :)

You star! Cheers, HP!!!!

Having said that, does that mean the census return for 1901 is a mistake..... or I am just being sludgy-headed after a shocking week at work? (URL PMed)

Hi Red

If you need to look for her on the 1891, for some unknown reason they have transcribed her as Sarah Ellen Northcott!

I don't think it is a mistake on the 1901, just that people often had a Sunday name (the one they were christened with, usually named after a family member) and then their everyday name which could be quite different. For instance my great-grandad Charles James Evans, was known as Joe! In this case, I would guess her proper name was Sarah Ellen, but her nickname was Nellie (Nellie is a form of Ellen). Her place of birth is the same, her year of birth is the same, and her eldest child is the same, and as Effie is quite an unusual name, it is fairly safe to assume they are the same person.

If you get the birth certificate for Effie, you will get Sarah Ellen(Nellie)'s maiden name which would be the final proof (or not!). Effie is on the bmd at ancestry.

There was marriage of a William James Stubbs who is a possible match with a Sarah Ellen Atkinson in the right time frame 1888, but in St Germans, Cornwall, so I am not sure why they might have wandered over there - maybe a runaway match?

I think this is her on the 1881, born Durham but living in Alresford, it does seem to fit together.
http://content.ancestry.co.uk/iexec/?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=7572&iid=HAMRG11_1243_1245-0276&fn=Sarah+E.&ln=Atkinson&st=r&ssrc=&pid=7014556

It was quite fun finding this family, seeing as you did not mention their surname or where they lived - I love a challenge ;)

Fantastic, thanks again. Certainly some answers, but quite a few new questions too!

Hi, could anyone tell me how I could find out who owned a property in the 1840s and 1850s?? I know who lived there, from the census, but I need to know if they actually owned the property or were just tenants....

Is there something like the land Registry which would have these records?? Thanks!!!

Hi.

You could try the rate books...they are on film at the archives...this lists the owner.


Tuppie

The Rate Books at Sheffield Archives are certainly worth a look, although this might be a bit early for them to have much information. This would be the first step.

If it is freehold property or long lease property (over 21 years) then The Registry of Deeds at Wakefield should have a copy of the deeds, however it is indexed on vendors and purchasers, not on the address, so you need a name first. If you get the owner from the rate book then it is theoretically possible to find out when and to whom the property was sold by checking the deeds.

The Registry of Deeds is difficult to use, it might be worth using a professional genealogist who knows what they are doing ;)

Hi HennyPenny,
Do you know anything about where the bastardy bonds/ orders are kept?
Are they down at the Archives.?
Lois

Hi Janner,
I have received the birth cert this morning for Charles Garratt born 1857 and the jury is still out on whether it's the right one. It says his father was Charles Richard Garratt. Tin plate maker, mine seem to all have been cutlers but I suppose many changed trades. I'm still not sure about the Garratt either as it's always been was Garrett.However I know until 1875 spelling wasn't standardised It's not just the transcriber though as it was definitely with an a on the certificate. I will have to do some more reseach on this family- just had a breakthrough on another so there is hope yet!!!

I have ancestors married at Manchester Cathedral, except it wasn't a cathedral then, on 4-2-1836. Anyone know what information would be recorded? I don't fancy a trek over there if their fathers aren't mentioned.
Thanks in advance.

Hi HennyPenny,
Do you know anything about where the bastardy bonds/ orders are kept?
Are they down at the Archives.?
Lois

There are some at the Archives, but not many survive for Sheffield Parish. There is a card index for the ones that have survived.

I have ancestors married at Manchester Cathedral, except it wasn't a cathedral then, on 4-2-1836. Anyone know what information would be recorded? I don't fancy a trek over there if their fathers aren't mentioned.
Thanks in advance.

You are not going to get a fathers name prior to civil registration (July 1st1837). All you will get is the name of the bride and groom, parish of residence for both parties, the names of the witnesses and possibly an occupation for the groom.

You don't have to visit Manchester though, you can write to the local studies unit of the central library, and they should send you a copy.

You are not going to get a fathers name prior to civil registration (July 1st1837). All you will get is the name of the bride and groom, parish of residence for both parties, the names of the witnesses and possibly an occupation for the groom.

You don't have to visit Manchester though, you can write to the local studies unit of the central library, and they should send you a copy.

Knew I'd come to the right place! Thanks for the information, anything is better than a visit.

I am intrested in finding someone named Justin Gordon born outside the Uk possibly Jamaica Aged Between 55 & 65 he maybe have worked for Sheffield railway for along time i believe.

I am intrested in finding someone named Justin Gordon born outside the Uk possibly Jamaica Aged Between 55 & 65 he maybe have worked for Sheffield railway for along time i believe.

We need some ideas of the time period. If it's someone who lived within living memory, you're better off posting a specific post in the Sheffield History & Expats section.

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Back to front, Ms Macbeth. We've now lost the links.

I am intrested in finding someone named Justin Gordon born outside the Uk possibly Jamaica Aged Between 55 & 65 he maybe have worked for Sheffield railway for along time i believe.

If this is a person who is living in the present day, then you could try http://www.b4usearch.com/ There are two J Gordons come up in Sheffield.

Back to front, Ms Macbeth. We've now lost the links.

Sorry but there's nothing we can do about that. The post are auto-sorted based on the time and day that they were originally posted.

I had an ancestor who died in Sheffield in 1935. I wonder if he left a will and if I could find out at the Archives or would have to go to Wakefield. Does anyone know?

I had an ancestor who died in Sheffield in 1935. I wonder if he left a will and if I could find out at the Archives or would have to go to Wakefield. Does anyone know?

Sheffield Archives holds annual name indexes for the period 1858-1934. For 1935 and beyond, indexes are available from the Probate Sub Registry at the Law Courts, Sheffield. Some pre 1858 (Sheffield) wills are listed by name in our subject index under 'Wills'.

Hope this helps

I don't know the Sub-Registry. How do you get to see the registers. Does it have specific opening hours for you to search or do you have to book?

I don't know the Sub-Registry. How do you get to see the registers. Does it have specific opening hours for you to search or do you have to book?
SHEFFIELD
Sheffield Probate Sub-Registry
P.O. Box 832
The Law Courts
50, West Bar
Sheffield
S3 8YR
Tel: 0114 281 2596
Email : sheffield.psr@hmcourts-service.gsi.gov.uk
Hi duckweed,
I think you have to send them £5.00 and they investigate the records for you, this was the procedure anyway when I used it.

Thanks I'll email them and see what they need me to do.