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Bago
19-01-2006, 15:16
Hi All,

I've read some threads about the job agencies mentioned and the jobs available within IT in Sheffield. Which there is not an awful lot of choices.

Can anyone tell me whether they too work in IT AND lives in Sheffield ? Is it even possible ? Are u contracting or are you commuting ? How do u stay afloat ?

At the moment, I'm quite disillusioned as to what I should do next. Whether to give up the skillset which I gathered within the past 4 years on an ERP system, or do I try and find other jobs within IT, but not ERP types ? On top of that, I have a mortgage payment to upkeep too, and I don't really wanna sell up and move away from here just yet. Cos I have families here.

As I was made redundant from my position cos they were cost-cutting, and after reading what a few ppl have said here, there isn't an awful lot of IT jobs within Sheffield. How do u IT professional work and still live in Sheffield ? What I really don't want is to find myself in such a situation again, and be tied down with a mortgage this way. Any advices are welcomed.

Cyclone
19-01-2006, 15:26
I've waited 5 years and found a new job in sheffield. I was working at Capgemini, which whilst based in Rotherham meant I was generally working away from home.

There is some work around, but there's just not much as you've noticed.
Leeds is commutable, and has a lot more IT work, other than that all I can suggest is keep checking out the websites (such as gojobsite) and send your cv off to the agencies (huxleys, and all the rest).

neeeeeeeeeek
19-01-2006, 15:30
I work as a support engineer in Sheffield and think I am quite lucky. If I were to loose this job I would be forced to be a field engineer again which I don't really want to do. I think commuting to Leeds would be your best option if you have useful IT skills, seems more work there. Good luck.

dxmedia
19-01-2006, 18:08
Lol, there's loads of IT jobs in Sheffield - not sure where you've go the idea that there isn't. Before I took the posisiton I'm in at the moment, I was getting several phone calls a week of agencies. I recommend looking at www.jobsite.co.uk and posting your CV, there's also a couple of other online places, but keep away from Monster - far to many people and far to little jobs...

firecracker
19-01-2006, 18:14
Try Jobserve, and don't rule out other nearby cities like Leeds, Nottingham or Manchester if nothing crops up in Sheffield.

Bago
19-01-2006, 19:43
Well, I've searched on Jobserve, and on Cwjobs quite a bit. Coupled with reading the threads here as well. Thanks for the people who mentioned agencies like Modis and Tek. Though they don't seem to be permanent roles. More like contracting. My last role started as project support, then onto application support (3rd line helpdesk) with developments/enhancements. All on the same ERP system.

I once went into a high street agency and was surprised at the lack of IT jobs available. I didn't go back again. They didn't have many data-entries role, cos I asked about whether I should do those to tie myself over. They thought that I'm too qualified for some of the support roles (!) The irony of wanting to get a job but couldn't get a job.

The handful of jobs from the likes of Jobserve seems to be web-based or java orientated...

dxmedia - do u mind me asking what kind of IT positions were they ? Was it developers or support or ...even multi-media as suggested by your nickname ?

[Added] Firecracker / DXmedia - do both of you actually live and work in Sheffield or do u commute to your workplace, and its outta the city ?

wendygs
29-01-2006, 10:07
This link will provide you with a whole host of Graduate Jobs (http://www.shu.ac.uk/alumni/careers.html)
At least 62 jobs with an immediate start (http://www.prospects.ac.uk/cms/ShowPage/Home_page/job_search__prospects_net_integration_/p!edcaefX?mode=search&frmToWcodes=AGC-M:UCS-M). Yesterday evening when I searched through links from the Sheffield Hallam University site I found a whole host of IT jobs in the Sheffield environs.

I suggest you identify the sort of organisation you REALLY REALLY want to work for, find out as much as possible about them, do your best to develop contacts with them (students and at other level tp mentor you on how to gain employment with them) AND practice on all of the rest because practice makes perfect.

Hope this is of some help, keep trying and dont give up because as they say if you dont kick the ball you cant score a goal :D

dxmedia
29-01-2006, 13:05
I work in support in Sheff, and have done for 6 years now, never ever go with high street agencies (possibly TEC, in bells square off tripet lane is the only exception), Computer People, Hays IT, MSB, they're all reasonable agencies with IT companies, put your CV on jobserve or job site, make it avalible for public viewing, and wait, you'll get a few calls initially for recruitment companies will put you on their books, and then you'll start to get the interview offers...

Bago
01-02-2006, 16:01
Thanks for all the information and advice people.

I got my last job from Jobserve years ago. Though at that time, I was single and free. Was able to commute anywhere and work in any IT jobs. I think it's only dawned on me in the last year or so that I may have to work and commute away from Sheffield if I need to get other positions. It seems that there isn't such a movement of IT ppl in Sheffield in general, so I did get a tad disillusioned.

Believe me, I've thought about changing careers too like nursing or teaching just because the demands are there, and it means I can stay in Sheffield. Though for now, I think I will stick with IT, and see where it leads...

Thanks for the replies people. It's definitely 'food for thoughts'.

[Added] Wendy: Just a note on Graduate positions. I still am registered to the Prospects' website. I went to a graduate careers fair last year in Manchester. I have asked the recruiters about their positions for graduates. Apparently (majority of) companies will only take graduates which have finished university within 2 years of their graduation. So I fall outside of this category too.

I know companies may still take on someone who is not a graduate, or have graduated a long time ago for their graduate positions, but maybe at their discrepancies. As my sister was almost offered this at HSBC a while back where she temped.

I suppose I have to be upbeat, but sometimes such realism about jobs availability and prospects doesn't half dampen you.

sanman
01-02-2006, 16:08
Keep looking, like people say don't rule out anything. I live in Sheffield and have worked in IT for 22 years, of which about half were actually based in Sheffield. I now work for a company based in Cheshire, my site is in Wilmslow but I work from home two days a week. If a company wants you enough then they will accomodate your needs. More & more companies are now getting switched on to the Home/work life balance.

Good Luck

Bago
01-02-2006, 16:28
Thank you. I hope I can sustain myself in this industry too.

To get to the point of where 'people want you', means specialising, right ? At the moment, I still feel that I'm at the early point of my career, and is unsure what to do to sustain it.

I often wonder how people can stay in an industry where its changing so fast, yet not move very much. I know my last boss had to contract and work part-time too, even when she had a baby. She's managed to stay in the industry for the last 20 odd years too. These days, you can get a typical graduate like myself, ten-a-penny.

JoeP
01-02-2006, 16:47
I've lived in Sheffield for 20 odd years and worked as an IT contractor / freelance / consultant / permie for all that time either in Sheffield or Leeds. The Leeds commute isn't TOO bad if you live in the north of Sheffield.

My main specialisms are VB / SQL / Oracle or web development, and I've rarely had problems getting contracts. The slackest times were early 2000 and spring 2004, and on each occasion I was off work for maybe a month or so.

Yes, it is possible, but you need to have sellable skills and be willing to accept lower rates than you might get in Leeds / Manchester. Modis is a good agency here in Sheffield, I've also had work through Tec, Hayes, Spring, Rullion, MSB and a few others. Use Jobserve, get your CV out to agencies, etc.

Good Luck.

Joe

steviewonder
02-02-2006, 09:24
I moved to London just for the opportunities in IT and to broaden my horizons!

It was a good decision.

Dotlink
14-02-2006, 04:52
agree with above, if you want a job in IT get one in London as theres loads of IT jobs, and the down side is its expensive to live there

wendygs
20-02-2006, 09:44
Just got back after an extended absence from home and heard this really wonderful story about this lad who decided he wanted to work in IT (he is extremely bright mind), left school, didnt go to Uni and got hired on his 30th application letter by writing to companies based on their post code and its proximity to his home. Result he is working within walking distance from home.

bielby
20-02-2006, 11:26
I'm kinda starting out with an IT career at the moment too - ended up having to commute to Leeds too, but I have quite a few friends who found good jobs in Shef ok..

Jingo
22-02-2006, 20:58
Try

http://www.graduatelink.com

robwillow
25-02-2006, 21:51
I lived in South West Sheffield for 14 years since I graduated the first time(except the 15 months in Croydon). I have worked in Dronfield twice, Manchester, Midsomer Norton, Grimsby, and I am currently working near Wakefield. Because it's not easy getting an IT job in Sheffield I have moved to the north of Sheffield for an easier commute.

Companies I can think of are Fretwell Downing, Capita, EDS. Get yourself on jobserve and any other auto emailing joblist you can think of. You only need one job!

robwillow
25-02-2006, 22:08
Much of the problem I have had is that I have very specific skills. Not just the language but the package. Really employers are often too keen to get exactly what they had before, or someone who so exactly matches the profile that they will, in fact, be bored. So as my 'cv' shows I have had to move about. The somerset job was a contract. however I worked there for over two years, and it was my longest job. Grimsby was also a contract, through Modis as it happens who were fine.

Psycologically it is easier to work away on a contract than permie, you always think it might end next week. After your first month or so you start to get a build up of money which offsets the possible instability. Do it for long enough and mortgages stop worrying you unless you buy a bigger house of course. You might be able to work 4 long days. I went home early on Friday from the Somerset job and had Wednesday off from Grimsby. BTW top tip Grimsby may be miles away, but barely any one goes there. I took just 1:15 to get there and the same to get back. On the four day week my travelling times were outside of rush hour and as I say the M1,M18,M180,A180 are practically desserted. There are few end-user positions out there.

robwillow
25-02-2006, 22:08
What are your skills BTW?

Bago
28-02-2006, 01:57
Thank you for replying everyone. I do appreciate the replies to this thread. I really do. Commuting to Leeds is feasible, if only I earn a certain level to sustain things. I've just worked that out recently. Anyhow, I won't go into the nitty gritties of that, but... just wanted to say thanks for the replies as it's given me a new perspective on the situation.

I am uncertain whether I am contracting material. As I have picked up a lot of things (to me) which seemed neither here nor there in my last job. My skills lies in ERP Application support, part development, and some installation skills and upgrades. I've been scanning a lot of jobs related to this ERP package, and there seems to be loads of jobs out in Australia ! >.< I don't think I'm prepared to go all that way just yet. There are only like 5 or so jobs every now and then, asking for something which I am not quite sure whether I'm of that calibre. i.e. either PM or Senior consultants. This particular ERP package was used a lot within the manufacturing companies. (Yes, I've just realised that UK's manufcturing industry is declining....)

When I was at uni, I did learn some SQL queries, C++ (which I won't count as a skill, cos it's never applied and used within the industry), VB, and of course, basic web development. I never did maximise on these skills when I was in my last job. Well, I will keep trying and applying to see where things will lead, I suppose.