View Full Version : Parking chaos outside Moss Way/Crystal Peaks tramstop


Johnh
19-01-2006, 13:09
Has anyone any views on motorists parking without consideration on Ochre Dyke Lane, opposite the Moss Way/Crystal Peaks tramstops? Its obvious that most of these people are commuting to Sheffield on the Tram, electing to park for free on the public road as oppose the purpose buit Park & Ride at Halfway Tramstop.
Ochre Dyke Lane has now become a one way road during the day due to parking on one side of the road. There is not enough room for a bus/heavy vehicle and a car to pass.

beza
19-01-2006, 13:19
I have just come from town on the bus,the bus driver was moaning about the cars,he has been told that they are not parking illegally,but they are causing problems.
I think they should put up limited times,eg.parking 2hrs min.

Johnh
19-01-2006, 13:48
Originally posted by beza
I have just come from town on the bus,the bus driver was moaning about the cars,he has been told that they are not parking illegally,but they are causing problems.
I think they should put up limited times,eg.parking 2hrs min.
Well said Beza! Although 2hrs max parking would not solve the congestion problem. I've been on to the Council, Star and Mainline. Action is afoot, apparently!!

HotPhil
19-01-2006, 14:12
Finding somewhere free to park and then commute on the tram should be encouraged. It's a shame for the majority of those that park there that a few people park inconsiderately and hence they all get a bad rep. Even more of a shame that the council will do it's usual knee-jerk reaction and spend thousands restricting the parking and further alienating themselves from the people they're supposed to represent.

Johnh
19-01-2006, 14:18
Originally posted by hotphil
Finding somewhere free to park and then commute on the tram should be encouraged. It's a shame for the majority of those that park there that a few people park inconsiderately and hence they all get a bad rep. Even more of a shame that the council will do it's usual knee-jerk reaction and spend thousands restricting the parking and further alienating themselves from the people they're supposed to represent.
On the whole length of Ochre Dyke Lane it is people parking irresponsibly. Its all to save £4 a week on the purpose built park and ride at Halfway. To be quite frank, if you can't afford £4 a week, you shouldn't be running a car. Whilst there are no yellow lines, it is an offence to 'cause an obstruction' by parking your vehicle in a vulnerable position. According to the council there are specific rules on width of access on bus routes. All we need is one police officer down there issuing a few tickets, the word will then get around.

HotPhil
19-01-2006, 14:23
Personally I'd rather our Police force were catching 'real' scumbags.

If it's causing an issue, perhaps the road should be marked out with bays. But putting 2hr or other nonsense restrictions doesn't help anybody.

HotPhil
19-01-2006, 14:27
£4/week is £200/year. I'd save that if I could. Especially factoring in the massive percentage price increases on the MegaRider price over the last couple of years, I'd feel aggrieved. Enough to make me look at parking at Moss Way.

Johnh
19-01-2006, 14:28
If you put bays in the road it wouldn't solve anything. Ochre Dyke Lane is simply not wide enough for cars parked and vehicles to pass each other ... thats the issue! If two buses/hgv come head to head, one simply has to back up. Imagine that if its a fire engine or ambulance on a 999 call???

Johnh
19-01-2006, 14:30
Originally posted by hotphil
£4/week is £200/year. I'd save that if I could. Especially factoring in the massive percentage price increases on the MegaRider price over the last couple of years, I'd feel aggrieved. Enough to make me look at parking at Moss Way.
Make the most of it, its about to end. A forum has been created by Mainline and the Sheffield City Council to discuss parking restrictions. I take it you live outside the area with the 'not in my backyard attitude.'

HotPhil
19-01-2006, 14:33
Imagine that if its a fire engine or ambulance on a 999 call???
A bit melodramatic - emergency vehicles can't easily get down half the roads in Sheff.
When I suggested bays, I assumed people would realise that that also includes leaving gaps every so often - passing places if you will. Or widen the road. Also, I'm not familiar with the whole length of it, could it be made one way?
I'm all for people complaining, but if they can't suggest viable alternatives then they shouldn't bother.

HotPhil
19-01-2006, 14:35
I live the complete opposite side of the city. I work nearby.
As for "nimbyism", you should see my road! The parking's atrocious, sadly I can't think of any viable solutions for my road's parking issues, so I don't whinge about it.

Johnh
19-01-2006, 14:40
It couldn't really be made one way as there are houses on one side and the tram track on the other, as you must have observed.
Another underlying problem is the reluctance of Crystal Peaks management to allow people who work in the retail shops on the complex to park, therefore forcing out onto the surrounding residential roads.
It take it you are one of these employees.
You can't rely on commonsense where motorists are concerned, they'll park anywhere if they can get away with it. I myself drive and use a park and ride, like most considerate people would do.

HotPhil
19-01-2006, 14:44
I don't work at Crystal Peaks. I work nearby. I get the tram to Moss Way from Malin Bridge each day. So clearly I'm not one of those that parks at Moss Way, but I do think that others should be allowed to. Perhaps with some common-sense bays marked out. Sadly, I suspect that either the residents'll get all in a tizzy like those in Broomhill, The Groves etc and ask for a ludicrous resident's parking scheme, or the council will waste almost as much money putting time-restricted bays in place.

Johnh
19-01-2006, 14:49
Originally posted by hotphil
I don't work at Crystal Peaks. I work nearby. I get the tram to Moss Way from Malin Bridge each day. So clearly I'm not one of those that parks at Moss Way, but I do think that others should be allowed to. Perhaps with some common-sense bays marked out. Sadly, I suspect that either the residents'll get all in a tizzy like those in Broomhill, The Groves etc and ask for a ludicrous resident's parking scheme, or the council will waste almost as much money putting time-restricted bays in place.
How much would some yellow lines cost?? Trouble is today people don't care, so long as it doesn't bother them. I agree there are much more pressing issues than parking on Ochre Dyke Lane, its just part of the bigger picture.

HotPhil
19-01-2006, 14:59
I guess they'd cost upwards of £10k. By the time they've been through the "consultation process", had various meetings, held studies and further meetings on the type of yellow paint for that particular road surface, held a focus group, submitted the budget proposal to be turned down, resubmit it, commision a study on the type of signs that would be needed, ordered the signs, ordered the paint, held meetings with StreetForce to sort out the union concerns that the slight gradient/proximity of tram/sound of nearby pigeons constitutes a H&S risk, realised that this stretch of restricted road would require a new enforcement officer, advertised, confirmed candidates comply with their "equal opportunuites" policy, recruited, issued with fancy raincoat and PDA, liaised with Police and bus companies to cone off the road for a day to get the marking down and then finally try to set an implementation date the cost has got to be immense.
And all to restrict OUR use of OUR roads by OUR elected reps. We should be ashamed if it comes to that.

Johnh
19-01-2006, 15:03
Originally posted by hotphil
I guess they'd cost upwards of £10k. By the time they've been through the "consultation process", had various meetings, held studies and further meetings on the type of yellow paint for that particular road surface, held a focus group, submitted the budget proposal to be turned down, resubmit it, commision a study on the type of signs that would be needed, ordered the signs, ordered the paint, held meetings with StreetForce to sort out the union concerns that the slight gradient/proximity of tram/sound of nearby pigeons constitutes a H&S risk, realised that this stretch of restricted road would require a new enforcement officer, advertised, confirmed candidates comply with their "equal opportunuites" policy, recruited, issued with fancy raincoat and PDA, liaised with Police and bus companies to cone off the road for a day to get the marking down and then finally try to set an implementation date the cost has got to be immense.
And all to restrict OUR use of OUR roads by OUR elected reps. We should be ashamed if it comes to that.
Wow!!! If thats what it takes hotphil, thats cool!! Lets roll!!

willman
19-01-2006, 15:07
i completely agree with making it restricted parking. however where are the cars going to go when they are moved on. i thik probably into the nearby estates.
the predicament on the road has only been created by crystal pekas installing "traffice wardens" in their car parks.

Johnh
19-01-2006, 15:09
Originally posted by willman
i completely agree with making it restricted parking. however where are the cars going to go when they are moved on. i thik probably into the nearby estates.
the predicament on the road has only been created by crystal pekas installing "traffice wardens" in their car parks.
I'll second that Willman! I take it you're a local resident.