Reading the report in last night star about the good citizen who challanged 2 guys for queue jumping, at the HSBC bank in High St. After challanging the 2 guys, he was attacked and had part of his ear bitten off (neading 19 stiches).
The main perputrator has been spared jail and given 200 hour community punishment (which no doubt he will not do). His defence being that he had not intentionally bit off his victims ear because it was Ramadam and was not allowed to eat between sunrise and sunset, as a devout Muslim (so who did bite off the poor victims ear?). His defence also indicated he had been out all night gambling at a Casino and had lost over £3000, so this incident was the straw which broke the camels back and led to the attack.
My thoughts go to the victim and his family who must have suffered, and feel totally let down by the justice system, for trying to challange anti-social behaviour such as this. Probably why people just dont get involved anymore.

WTF????????

can you provide a link to this

please tell me its not right

"it wasnt me because its ramadam so im not allowed to eat!!!"

if he didnt swallow would he have been jailed?

if this is true then i have no faith at all in our justice system and may as well pack up and go home

Originally posted by boston
as a devout Muslim . His defence also indicated he had been out all night gambling at a Casino and had lost over £3000,
These two things do not go together.Lock him up.

story seems unreal,
but if its true , as a devout muslim he shudn't have been in a casino gambling !!!

Its not completely true!

After reading the story when it was first released, It revealed that the bloke was waiting patiently in the "q" to use the cash-point, the asian bloke as suggested jumped in front of the waiting "q", and as stated when challenged a scuffle started in which the victim tried to restrained the asian man, the asian man started to get the better hand in this scuffle and put the victim in the headlock, at this point he bit a piece out of the victims ear, which need (22 STICHES)!

Prosicutors issued the asian man with 200 hours of Unpaid Work (community service) and also £2500 compensation to the victim.

Believe it or not, the assailant used Ramadam as an excuse, claiming it made him very aggitated and angry!

Originally posted by boston
After challanging the 2 guys, he was attacked and had part of his ear bitten off (neading 19 stiches).

I don't know why I find that amusing, it's just the mental image of one bloke biting another blokes ear in a fit of anger.

wtf is going off with this world if this kind of behaviour is happening !?

i dont know why im even bothering to teach my 6 yr old son the rights and wrongs in this world as they appear to be of no importance at all!!!

maybe i should tell him to work out get fit and then he can beat the **** out of anyone who challenges him or what he does maybe i should teach him its ok to hurt other people and disrespect them in any manner he likes and that hurting other people to get what he wants is acceptable!

:rant:

i honestly dont know why we all bother i really dont!!

soo sad really:(

Why is anyone surprised with a sentence like that? If true, it's not unusual - and the news last night talked of certain offences being taken from the magistrates courts system, as its too full.

Irish terrorism problem - release terrorist prisoners early
Drug problem in society - reclassify cannabis
Drink problem in society - extend licensing hours
Too many people being put before the courts - remove offences from the current justice system

Is it just me, or is there a pattern emerging from our govt and masters?

Originally posted by barnie41
Why is anyone surprised with a sentence like that? If true, it's not unusual - and the news last night talked of certain offences being taken from the magistrates courts system, as its too full.

Irish terrorism problem - release terrorist prisoners early
Drug problem in society - reclassify cannabis
Drink problem in society - extend licensing hours
Too many people being put before the courts - remove offences from the current justice system

Is it just me, or is there a pattern emerging from our govt and masters?

Meh, Blair and chums are useless muppets anyway... But then again so are the rest of the major politicians and their parties IMO :loopy: :rant:

Originally posted by Rich
Meh, Blair and chums are useless muppets anyway... But then again so are the rest of the major politicians and their parties IMO :loopy: :rant:

Yeah but sentences are set by the courts, not by Tony Blair. The justice and political systems are, quite rightly, seperate.

i must agree, it is the judiciary that are out of touch with reality and always have been. Teach kids right from wrong at an early age, and cases like this 'whats the point' when the perputrator (which was a serious offence in my estimation) is handled with kid gloves treatment.
200 hours CP is no punishment, he will probably be given a cushy individual placement, or work on a luncheon club, for some of the hours then, not attend the remainder through work commitments or some other excuse.
Matbe the government wants us to be all model citizens and tackle anti-social behaviour, and this sure sends out the right message

You've just got to hope it was a good tasty piece of ear? lol

After all it cost him £2500

Mind you, what's the point of sending him to prison, when the first thing he's going to have to do to when he gets there is batter the first person who tries to "tax" him (extort his stuff), or be abused by all the other cons for the rest of his sentence. Hardly going to improve his behaviour, is it?

SO what woudl you rather we did.

ive got an idea, lets follow th eexample of the social workers who got a judge to amend a young offenders bail so they could take him and some other scrotes on a holiday to Jamaica to "boost his self confidence"

Todays world

Work hard, be good, get **** on

Do bugger all, take from others, go to Jamaica

Originally posted by matt1889
Its not completely true!

After reading the story when it was first released, It revealed that the bloke was waiting patiently in the "q" to use the cash-point, the asian bloke as suggested jumped in front of the waiting "q", and as stated when challenged a scuffle started in which the victim tried to restrained the asian man, the asian man started to get the better hand in this scuffle and put the victim in the headlock, at this point he bit a piece out of the victims ear, which need (22 STICHES)!

Prosicutors issued the asian man with 200 hours of Unpaid Work (community service) and also £2500 compensation to the victim.

Believe it or not, the assailant used Ramadam as an excuse, claiming it made him very aggitated and angry!

In that case then can i go and jump queues then bite ears of asian people in October because im sick of shops full of christmas stuff by then

Im sure as you can see that was'nt the point I was getting at!

But never the less I find your comments weird, but amusing??

I don't think its right what-so-ever, and I think a custodial sentnce of at least 3 yrs would be suitable?

Originally posted by matt1889
Im sure as you can see that was'nt the point I was getting at!

But never the less I find your comments weird, but amusing??

I don't think its right what-so-ever, and I think a custodial sentnce of at least 3 yrs would be suitable?

3 years?! Shyeah right... He'd get sent down for 3 years, and he'd be out in 18 months or less on parole or whatever :rolleyes:

Thats a quite harsh sentence, people get less for killing someone while drink driving.

I dont think it's harsh at all!

He has permanent scarred another Human Being?, He's delibrately tried to hurt this person?

I think if tougher sentences were introduced, Crime rates might start to drop a little personally1

The only problem we have is that the government tell us prisons are full?

Matt

Originally posted by boston
...as a devout Muslim ... His defence also indicated he had been out all night gambling at a Casino and had lost over £3000...


Originally posted by matsalleh
These two things do not go together. Lock him up.


Absolutely agreed.

I'm disgusted at his loutish behaviour, and appalled that he attempted to blame it on his fasting.

Originally posted by matt1889
Believe it or not, the assailant used Ramadam as an excuse, claiming it made him very aggitated and angry!

It's a pity the prosecution didn't remind him that Muslims are supposed to show patience during the month of Ramadan, not act like idiots.

With fellow Muslims like that, who needs the Republican Party :loopy:

Throw the thug in jail :mad:

Originally posted by sheffbag
SO what woudl you rather we did.

ive got an idea, lets follow th eexample of the social workers who got a judge to amend a young offenders bail so they could take him and some other scrotes on a holiday to Jamaica to "boost his self confidence"

Todays world

Work hard, be good, get **** on

Do bugger all, take from others, go to Jamaica


I'm not suggesting he goes to Jamaica, it's just that 67% of criminals who go to prison reoffend withing two years, as opposed to 53% of people who get community sentences. stats from this article (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1953079,00.html)

I would like to see people like this get whatever sentence reduces their likelihood of reoffending, so he doesn't bite my ear off next. That's what the judiciary and probabtion services are there to try and achieve, but something ain't working.

Originally posted by TeaFan
I'm not suggesting he goes to Jamaica, it's just that 67% of criminals who go to prison reoffend withing two years, as opposed to 53% of people who get community sentences. stats from this article (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1953079,00.html)

I would like to see people like this get whatever sentence reduces their likelihood of reoffending, so he doesn't bite my ear off next. That's what the judiciary and probabtion services are there to try and achieve, but something ain't working.

telll you what then instead of giving him 20 hours community service since he did it during ramadam lets just lock him up during it next year then he wont reoffend will he if its all Ramadams fault

zero percent reoffending!!!!!

Abdul - arent we all supposed to show patience at all times????

Originally posted by sheffbag
Abdul - arent we all supposed to show patience at all times????

Yes, you are correct :)

But in this particular case, the thug was blaming his violent behaviour on Ramadan.

I wonder did he also blame Ramadan for his poor performance at the casino table?

crimenals just laugh at our judicial system, most of the judges are on a different planet . refuse to pay your council tax you,d
be banged up straight away :mad:

tell that to Prescott.

as a devout muslim after a night out on the tiles gambling and drinking he shouldn't be expected to stand in a queue like a normal person should he?

one things for certain, I will not be eating at the resturant he works at - never know what tasty treat he'll have dropped in there....

Originally posted by Internetowl
as a devout muslim after a night out on the tiles gambling and drinking he shouldn't be expected to stand in a queue like a normal person should he?

one things for certain, I will not be eating at the resturant he works at - never know what tasty treat he'll have dropped in there....


me to, i read his restaurant was on the Wicker, lets hope he gets punishment where it will hurt, IN THE POCKET, and people show support to the victim

Fellow Sheffielders

Take a look at this (http://www.sheffieldtoday.net/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=58&ArticleID=1284584) story in the Sheffield Star (14th Dec 2005)

According to the story, it was the other guy who was jumping the queue, not the defendant - the defendant thought he was being attacked, so fought back in self defence.

Originally posted by sheffbag




if this is true then i have no faith at all in our justice system and may as well pack up and go home

why where you wanna go, im sure we could pesuade roy and his cronies to "send you back"

in fact maybe we should book our holidays this way in future :)



"fly bnp airlines"

Originally posted by Abdul
Fellow Sheffielders

Take a look at this (http://www.sheffieldtoday.net/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=58&ArticleID=1284584) story in the Sheffield Star (14th Dec 2005)

According to the story, it was the other guy who was jumping the queue, not the defendant - the defendant thought he was being attacked, so fought back in self defence.

how come the other guy wasnt prosecuted? If this is true it sounds like he started the fight and the muslim guy gets a sentence for simply trying to defend himself?? Whilst the other guy gets off scot free?

Originally posted by nightrider
how come the other guy wasnt prosecuted? If this is true it sounds like he started the fight and the muslim guy gets a sentence for simply trying to defend himself?? Whilst the other guy gets off scot free?

I don't know - does anyone have links to an updated story?

Originally posted by melthebell
why where you wanna go, im sure we could pesuade roy and his cronies to "send you back"

in fact maybe we should book our holidays this way in future :)



"fly bnp airlines"

???? explain please>?

Originally posted by nightrider
how come the other guy wasnt prosecuted? If this is true it sounds like he started the fight and the muslim guy gets a sentence for simply trying to defend himself?? Whilst the other guy gets off scot free?

If this story is right, surly it doesn’t matter what someone does there is no excuse for biting their ear off!!!!
:|

Originally posted by PatzB
If this story is right, surly it doesn’t matter what someone does there is no excuse for biting their ear off!!!!
:|

In cases of self-defence though, anything goes...

It could be argued there's no excuse for queue-jumping, either ;)

Anyone have a link to a later edition of the story?

Seems to me that there's one thing missing. The other guys side of the story. No one can objectively judge anything without first hearing both sides. I would hazard a guess that the allegation of queue jumping would have been rubbished and who attacked who first would have been under debate as well.
Obviously the magistrates saw through the story and prosecuted as they saw fit. Pity the sentence wasn't a harsher one as this just makes a mockery of the judicial system and sends out the message that to attack someone in this way gets you just a slap on the wrist (provided you get caught in the first place).

http://www.sheffieldtoday.net/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=58&ArticleID=1284584

there you go....

Man bit off ear in cashcard queue row

A MUSLIM man who bit off part of a security guard's ear told police he couldn't have deliberately carried out the attack - because he was fasting for Ramadan.

Mohammed Sarfraz, of Cliffe Field Road, Meersbrook, said he was fasting for Ramadan at the time of the incident, and it was forbidden for him to eat or drink during daylight hours.

When interviewed after his arrest, he said: "I don't know why I've done this. I'm a Muslim, I was fasting, the last thing I should ever have done is eat something."

The 31-year-old is accused of attacking James Thorpe, aged 55, who works at Sheffield Family Court, in revenge for jumping the queue at the Lloyds TSB cash machine in High Street, city centre, at about 8.50am on October 12.

Sarfraz admits biting Mr Thorpe but claims he attacked him to get free after being held in a bear hug.
The defendant, who is married with two young children and works as a chef at his family's restaurant in the Wicker, claimed the trouble was initiated by Mr Thorpe.
Sarfraz told the jury sitting at Doncaster Crown Court: "I went forward to put my bank card into one of the machines and this gentleman came and tried to snatch my card out of my hand. I thought I was going to be robbed.
"My arm smashed into the cash machine. The card dropped on the floor, and I picked it up, then the man started to kick me."
Sarfraz said there was a pause in the incident, but he didn't run away because he was "scared" he would be chased by a crowd which had gathered.
He continued: "The man then got me in a bear hug. There was nothing I could do to get away.
"I saw his ear and I bit it. At the time I didn't think - I just thought it would be enough to make him let go of me."
"I was wrong and I feel sorry and disgusted with myself."
Following the incident, Sarfraz ran because he "thought he was going to get attacked again," the court heard.
Sarfraz said he was at the machine to check his bank balance ahead of making a withdrawal to donate to the relief efforts for the victims of the Kashmir earthquake.
He admitted staying up all night before the attack, gambling at the Grosvenor House casino, in the city centre - where he lost £3,000 - but denied prosecution claims this had made him angry.
Prosecutor Fiona Swain said: "The final straw was when this man pushed in front of you at the cash point."
Sarfraz replied: "No".
He denied spitting Mr Thorpe's ear onto the ground, ripping his headphones from his ears, or shouting "Get in line next time" at the victim.
The defendant admits causing grievous bodily harm but denies grievous bodily harm with intent.

Originally posted by Internetowl
http://www.sheffieldtoday.net/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=58&ArticleID=1284584


Err... that link takes you to the original story dated December 2005, and I had already included it on one of my previous posts.

I was looking for summat a little more recent, Mr Owl... ;)

oh sorry - it was in last weeks paper - wasn't a big enough crime to make the front page headlines due to the lack of a punishment...

funny how after a night out, losing 3k gambling instead of being home with his family he just happened to be checking his account to make a charitable donation and this bloke just attacked him in the queue - dream on :)

more likely as the judge decided he was ****** off at losing the cash, and took it out on the first whitey he came into contact with..

perhaps Griffin is right?

Mod note:

Warning! If this turns into a race thread it's going to be closed and bans dished out.

Stick to the topic. No more warnings.

Originally posted by PatzB
If this story is right, surly it doesn’t matter what someone does there is no excuse for biting their ear off!!!!
:|

if you push me on the floor, start kicking me and then get me in a headlock I dont have aproblem biting your ear if it will result in a cessation to the attack!!! You cant expect people not to defend themslves in a situation like this.

Originally posted by TeaFan
I'm not suggesting he goes to Jamaica, it's just that 67% of criminals who go to prison reoffend withing two years, as opposed to 53% of people who get community sentences. stats from this article (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1953079,00.html)

I would like to see people like this get whatever sentence reduces their likelihood of reoffending, so he doesn't bite my ear off next. That's what the judiciary and probabtion services are there to try and achieve, but something ain't working.

It shouldn't only be about reducing their likelihood of re-offending, it should also be about society punishing them severely and taking REVENGE on these scum for their anti-social antics. If their stint inside was harsh enough then it would also serve the purpose of sending the message to them that they should never re-offend, unless they want a repeat dose, only for longer next time.

What puts this sentence in perspective is that last week magisrates gave a woman a 12 month sentence for fiddling the DHSS out of £20,000. Now that should have surely been a case for a 200 hour community service order. Then you get an ar****le like this who gets away with taking a piece out of another human being. It defies belief.

You can guarantee that if I had done the same to him, I would have gone down the steps, but then again I don't celebrate ramadam do I?

Originally posted by hagardriley
It shouldn't only be about reducing their likelihood of re-offending, it should also be about society punishing them severely and taking REVENGE on these scum for their anti-social antics. If their stint inside was harsh enough then it would also serve the purpose of sending the message to them that they should never re-offend, unless they want a repeat dose, only for longer next time.




I'm not aware of any research that shows that harsh sentences reduce the reoffending rate. Don't you worry that if they have a "hard stint inside", this might mean that they are an even more violent and unpleasant person when they get out? From what people have told me about their stints inside, it seems to be culture of drugs and violence - hardly conducive to rehabilitation.

The do-good brigade are missing the point. I don't CARE what happens to 'em inside as long as they're not on the outside doing it again:loopy:

Originally posted by SheShe
The do-good brigade are missing the point. I don't CARE what happens to 'em inside as long as they're not on the outside doing it again:loopy:

But unless you're going to put everyone away for life for every crime there is, surely we do need to worry about what kind of person comes out of prison - one who is going to reoffend, or one who is not. Put it this way - is it better that people commit a crime once, or several times?

Originally posted by TeaFan
I'm not aware of any research that shows that harsh sentences reduce the reoffending rate. Don't you worry that if they have a "hard stint inside", this might mean that they are an even more violent and unpleasant person when they get out? From what people have told me about their stints inside, it seems to be culture of drugs and violence - hardly conducive to rehabilitation.

So what is your solution TeaFan?

Originally posted by sheffbag
So what is your solution TeaFan?

Blimey sheffbag, I'm not setting myself up as the new justice system! All I'm saying is, it's better to be pragmatic about these things. Some sentences might make some people "feel better" in the short term, but is it not better to give out sentences that might not make us feel so good, but actually do more to reduce reoffending rates. If crime is bad, then surely we want to reduce the rates of both offending and reoffending.

"Solutions", I would have thought, would be about looking at individual cases and what is going to work to stop them reoffending. The figures speak for themselves with prison, I think. If 67% of kids came out of school not being able to read or write, there'd be uproar. But 67% of people come out of prison and reoffend within 2 years, and it seems to be very low up the political agenda. Surely that means prison, as a rule, doesn't work (except that obviously people aren't offending while they're in prison, although that's not true, because they are full of drugs and violence. Drugs and violence are criminal acts, IMO)