Crime isn't as bad as it used to be around Ecclesfield, Southey, Parson Cross, Grenoside and even Chapeltown. At the moment the main problems are anti social behaviour and youth nuisance.

What sort of things would you like to see introduced? Where should the police and council be spending more time and to combat what? What sort of projects around the theme of neighbourhood safety would be beneficial to these areas?

It doesn't matter how big or small. I know someone who'll be keeping an eye on this thread who may have some power to set projects in motion - so all ideas are welcomed.

I'm not sure, but I will add, in my experience over christmas, even anti social behaviour seems less prevailing, there seem to be less 'gangs' hanging around the shops (at eccesfield/parson cross anyway)...

I've heard that many of them have been moved on by safety wardens.

Then keep the safety wardens is the main priority :)

I suppose better policing of closed off spaces, ie the parks is needed as well, although I'm not sure if its as bad as it used to be...

I'm not sure what else do add, we've had no experience of burglary, car theft or anything other than the odd bit of vandalism, so as far as I'm concerned, things are OK at the moment :)

there seems to be an incease in incidents at Longley of late - perhaps moving them on is only moving the problem to a new venue?

What sort of incidents have you noticed the most? I agree that moving people on isn't always the best idea, but what could be put in place to help the issue?

Yea but move them on where.. some of the kid,s don,t want to be on street corner,s I am sure then again what do I know.. I think some sort of club would help. I too live at longley and I am scared to walk to the shop,s at night..

I thought there was a curfew on Parson Cross and Southey, I am sure it was in the Star a while ago. But there was not one on Longley.

One of my work colleagues lives in Grenoside, and is concerned that the curfews in places like Parson Cross has simply moved the problem somewhere else.

Instead of youngsters hanging round the streets pf Parson Cross or Chapeltown or wherever, they simply catch the bus to Grenoside and cause trouble there :|

Then there's the small matter of the local rabble in Fox Hill making their way up to Grenoside :roll:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Abdul
[B]One of my work colleagues lives in Grenoside, and is concerned that the curfews in places like Parson Cross has simply moved the problem somewhere else.

Yes i had noticed more kids hanging around the Greens on Longley after the curfews had started.

OK, so what sort of project should be invented to deal with this? Someone is reading this who is looking for ideas to combat these problems. You could make a difference by putting your ideas forward!

On Longley they have opened up a youth club but as far as i know it is only on about once a week. And there was talk of using one of the greens to make a football pitch or some type of playground but i think that got turned down as there are a lot of houses and flats round the greens and would cause a disturbance to residents.

may be a snooker room, a room with playstation,s in a bar selling soft drinks etc.. a room with music.. dance.. open every night . don,t know .. where can these kid,s go? maybe we could ask our own kid,s what they would like.. maybe trip,s to bowling, etc.. at a small price ..

they are currently building the flood lit playing surface on the greens' - it'll be a magnet for every little scroat in the area (and surrounding areas) when it opened - I bet all the oaps in the flats around it are really looking forward to it and the noise it will bring. They are also re-doing the facilities in the local park - so they'll have plenty of new things to destroy...

Theres nothing wrong with people hanging about on parks or whatever - I did it, and never caused anyone else a problem, parks are there for everyone to enjoy and use.

Like I say, policing these would help, i've never seen police inside ecclesfield park, and you get a lot of people drinking or whatever over by the playground.

ASBOs should be publicised - people won't know if someones breaking the conditions of their ASBO if they don't know someones got one.

Cracking down (further) on underage drinking and older people buying drink for young 'uns - this means going further than just cracking down on shops, go after people in alleyways or on parks, patrol areas with this in mind.

Unfortunatly, some of the more expensive ideas, ie CCTV cameras at shops, help points in streets would be vandalised.

The national anti social behaviour hotline will be useful when it comes into force, at the moment, theres no specific way of contacting these 'safety wardens'

As for some kind of 'teenage club' - these are great, but their costly, and a lot of the people aiming to cause trouble outside of a club will either a) not go to it, or b) go and cause trouble there.

There isn't as much of a lack of activities as people make out - go for a walk, go to the park, go to the cinema, go to meadowhall (yep, next time you complain about all the 'chavs' there, realise that they're probably better there than somewhere else 'bored'), play football, go biking etc etc...

Finally: this curfew is no longer in effect. It was in effect, and worked, but is now gone. Moving people on does help, often they'll just end up at someones house.

Originally posted by Abdul
One of my work colleagues lives in Grenoside, and is concerned that the curfews in places like Parson Cross has simply moved the problem somewhere else.

Instead of youngsters hanging round the streets pf Parson Cross or Chapeltown or wherever, they simply catch the bus to Grenoside and cause trouble there :|

Then there's the small matter of the local rabble in Fox Hill making their way up to Grenoside :roll:

Very true,Abdul.Its a shame that a lot of the younger residents of Grenoside now feel intimidated in the village,thanks in no small part to the influx of gangs from Parsons Cross,especially.

Theres nowt wrong with Foxhill though-I was born there after all;) Salt of the earth them people...

Originally posted by Annoni_mouse
Theres nowt wrong with Foxhill though-I was born there after all;) Salt of the earth them people...

Fear not, that comment wasn't meant at all Foxhill residents - only the small minority of idiots who go up the hill to Grenoside to cause trouble ;)

What are the main concerns in the Grenoside area then? Are there certain hot spots where there are recurring problems?

Originally posted by Classic Rock
What are the main concerns in the Grenoside area then? Are there certain hot spots where there are recurring problems?

I would say the main problem area is probably around the park/community centre.The car park on there has been something of a gathering point for all kinds down the years..

i llive in p cross an the area asbo worked,but as it has been said their jst go some where eles,we are not looking at the bigger picture want are these yobs up bringing like,not all the parents are bad people i must stress,but in my job i go into a lot of peoples houses an some of the kids stand no chance of knowing what respect for others,clean living and ,why gettin things like a job an not living of benifits is not a bad thing,when some of the parent openly smoke weed ,cuss,violence and the worst i think "sorry sweety we would rather go to the pub" leaveing the kids to bring up them selves on the streets,so the problem isent just what do we do with the kids,more what do we do with the yobs giving birth to yobs an the circle continuing

Originally posted by trudge72
what do we do with the yobs giving birth to yobs an the circle continuing With you 100%:thumbsup: Ive lived on or around the cross for 24 years and its the same old story..... That Family down the road etc etc... they just dont know anything different.... the local yob family near to me is on their 6th kid... while her eldest daughter is on the 2nd?? who ever said havin kids doesnt pay ?? There was a car accident a few wks ago around fox hill stolen car damaged 2-3 parked cars had to be cut out etc etc..... her son...

But just because they are like that and give places like the cross, fox hill, a bad name, the minority does not make the majority.....

yeah most of the people are great,friendly,helpfull and still look out for each other isent that how its supposed to be,but with the yob families breeding like they are it just time,coz has any 1 eles noticed whie the majoraty of good people are having 1 to 3 kids these guys an girl are like you said having 5 or 6,wat was that quote from that women in i think liverpool who had 11 kids an niether of the parents worked "i was born to be a mother" ok then pay 4 them

o an dont get me wrong,i think all couple,an single parents should get some help,eg some one i know is a single parent and its not easy but she has been going to college to get qualifcatons so when her child gets to full time school she can get a job an suport them both,full respect.but the yobo families who have never worked an hav no intetion to are not setting a good example to these kid,so what hope have these kids got for a future

Originally posted by Classic Rock
What are the main concerns in the Grenoside area then? Are there certain hot spots where there are recurring problems?

There are a lot of problems in the Cowper/Grimsell area between Foxhill and Grenoside where there are a lot of elderly residents.

It's not just vandalism and thefts from gardens but constant taunting and even smutty comments made at pensioners.

It's gone from a lovely community to one where the kids rule the streets thanks to just a couple of families. The police just don't seem to have the manpower to sort it out and the last incident didn't get followed up by the police until a fortnight later.

a friend of my dads was running along chaucer road just past the shops. he saw a gang of kids walking in the opposite direction as he got towards them they started shouting and giving him abuse. he ran past them then one of the lads pushed him in the back. he turned to confront the lad when next thing he is been set uppon by the full gang. this guy is nearly 60 so didnt stand a chance he took a bit of a beating and then was reluctant to ring the police and only did this a number of days later

then this morning come to move my car of the drive and the little gits have done in my passenger door and taken a few cds

one word WHY!!!!!!

people getting beaten up and small items that cost nothing all for what?????

Originally posted by grenosideowl
a friend of my dads was running along chaucer road just past the shops. he saw a gang of kids walking in the opposite direction as he got towards them they started shouting and giving him abuse. he ran past them then one of the lads pushed him in the back. he turned to confront the lad when next thing he is been set uppon by the full gang. this guy is nearly 60 so didnt stand a chance he took a bit of a beating and then was reluctant to ring the police and only did this a number of days later

then this morning come to move my car of the drive and the little gits have done in my passenger door and taken a few cds

one word WHY!!!!!!

people getting beaten up and small items that cost nothing all for what?????

I can sorta understand the CDs part (I don't condone it, the opposite in fact) - something has been taken which they can then try and sell for 50p or whatever.

I cannot understand (and don't think i ever will be able to) where the fun in beating someone up is. The other week, I was walking along an alley and two kids started throwing bricks at me - heavy bricks, from a distance. They couldn't throw, but I could not understand how them throwing bricks at me gave them a laugh...

So what do you think that the area needs (other than re-educating parents) which will keep the youths content?

I'm looking for project ideas to reduce crime.