What should this country do to stop crime .and from getting any worse? My friend says national service would be a good idea these are his thoughts if you break the law from 15years of age to 18 you do 2 years national service. Would this help I think it would what about you and have you got any other ideas of what could be done before this great country of ours goes to the dogs.And did you do national service was it any good for your up bringing.

i think they shoulb bring back the old style borstals and approved schools,my uncle said you only got sent there once:gag:

Hmmmm......the thought of the defence of this country being in the hands of criminals and law-breakers seems to have a lot of potential. How would it work though?

Would the navy get the arsonists and other serious offenders, or just the riff-raff low-level offenders? Would the army get the wife beaters and those found guilty of common assault or GBH, or would there be some opportunity for the airforce to take at least a couple of muggers and suchlike?

Which branch of the armed forces gets to take claiment fraudsters?

Once these issues have been settled, I'm sure it will all work out perfectly. What an excellent idea - the armed forces populated by convicts. :thumbsup:

Sack the justice system and get a real one.

Read in the paper today of a man who has been sentenced to 12 years in prison for raping a 12 week. Yes 12 WEEK old baby. Surely someone as sick as this should be put to death?.

Jon Venables and Robert Thompson served a whopping 8 years for murdering poor jamie bulger. and then were given new identities and set free.

I know these are major crimes but the sentences for lesser crimes are just as pathetic.

Think about it.

A typical law abiding family man who has a nice home, a TV, Video, Nice furniture and a few orniments e.t.c. The total cost to him would probably be 10 years hard labour at work.

Along comes a burgular, Breaks in, Nicks everything and trashes the house. The total cost to him would probably be 6 months community service.

Crime doesn't pay - But it's a hell of a lot cheaper.

Only a decent deterant will stop the criminal or at least make him think.

Bring back Public Execution
Bring back Public Flogging
Make drugs free and plentiful so that those who use them Overdose.

kill everybody

errrrrrrrm

Originally posted by melthebell
kill everybody

errrrrrrrm or ban them,ok ill get me coat:hihi:

Originally posted by Snotty
Sack the justice system and get a real one.

Bring back Public Execution
Bring back Public Flogging



Sound's like you want an Islamic Republic.

Originally posted by doddy
What should this country do to stop crime .and from getting any worse? My friend says national service would be a good idea these are his thoughts if you break the law from 15years of age to 18 you do 2 years national service. Would this help I think it would what about you and have you got any other ideas of what could be done before this great country of ours goes to the dogs.And did you do national service was it any good for your up bringing.

Hi Doddy

National service would be an excellant idea.
The problem's in this country stem from the do gooders, the removal of the beat Bobby, the CPS and the banning of the stick in schools. This has led to a generation of anarchist parents who in turn do not discip[line thier children.
Each subsequent generation has less respect for law and order and I dont know where it will all end!

Simmo

Originally posted by kensimmo
Hi Doddy

National service would be an excellant idea.
The problem's in this country stem from the do gooders, the removal of the beat Bobby, the CPS and the banning of the stick in schools. This has led to a generation of anarchist parents who in turn do not discip[line thier children.
Each subsequent generation has less respect for law and order and I dont know where it will all end!

Simmo

I vote for sending them all to the salt mines in the Urals. What we need is a communist society like in the USSR to instil common values and respect

I joined the Royal Navy straight from school at 15. I immediately became the lowest from of life that a sailor would scrape off his shoe. Life was harsh, discipline was extremely strict and came as a complete shock to the system. Punishment came in all forms, the most severe being "Cuts" or caning and the ceremonial with which it was administered was frightening. This type of recruitment stopped in 1972,when the school leaving age was raised to 16. I completed 15 years service and hopefully contributed a little as a law abiding citizen with respect for my fellow human beings.
National Service was mandatory from the age of 18 to complete 2 years in the Army and RAF, 3 years in the Navy. This conscription finished in 1960.
I would suggest that 2/3 years of regimented life, learning respect and discipline would harm no one. You certainly leave the services a better man.
Unfortunately the PC brigade and Tree Huggers would never condone National Service being re-instated, which would frighten the government through loss of voting power. Also note that none of the serving cabinet have undergone military service. Sermon over.

Doddy, Probably this topic should be in General Chit Chat.
It makes sense to me to bring some sort of National Service Scheme back. A lot of the youths who get into crime are just plain bored. Fit young men need a challenge, need to burn off all their energy and need to experience the feeling of 'a job well done'. Perhaps a 12 month stint without war service would be a good idea, then if they have got a taste for the life, they could then sign up. It should be made compulsory for all british males unless they are studying or in a vital occupation. There's tons of stuff that they could do in the UK during their year. At the very least they would learn what camararderie and teamwork is and perhaps learn respect. We should all write to our MP's to put the idea forward - I will definitely.

Hi that was my intention but im new to this and got it wrong .But we need to help the young generation in some way . And this could be a start .

Bring back the Borstals
Bring back the approve schools
Bring back some form of National Serive
Get rid of the CPS
Let the police decide a law breaker as to face court
Deprive creminals freedom untill the full sentance served.

Originally posted by Jossman
I joined the Royal Navy straight from school at 15. I immediately became the lowest from of life that a sailor would scrape off his shoe. Life was harsh, discipline was extremely strict and came as a complete shock to the system. Punishment came in all forms, the most severe being "Cuts" or caning and the ceremonial with which it was administered was frightening. This type of recruitment stopped in 1972,when the school leaving age was raised to 16. I completed 15 years service and hopefully contributed a little as a law abiding citizen with respect for my fellow human beings.
National Service was mandatory from the age of 18 to complete 2 years in the Army and RAF, 3 years in the Navy. This conscription finished in 1960.
I would suggest that 2/3 years of regimented life, learning respect and discipline would harm no one. You certainly leave the services a better man.
Unfortunately the PC brigade and Tree Huggers would never condone National Service being re-instated, which would frighten the government through loss of voting power. Also note that none of the serving cabinet have undergone military service. Sermon over.

Well said! :thumbsup:

Served 27 years myself in the RN and it certainly made me a far better person than I ever could have imagined.

Originally posted by kensimmo
National service would be an excellent idea.
The problem's in this country stem from the do gooders, the removal of the beat Bobby, the CPS and the banning of the stick in schools. This has led to a generation of anarchist parents who in turn do not discipline thier children.
Each subsequent generation has less respect for law and order and I dont know where it will all end! [/B]

Couldn't agree more. Frightening to think where this country will be in 10 or 20 years time - anarchy will probably rule and those of us older generation will either shoot on sight and get jailed or just cower in our houses (if they haven't already been burnt down)!

That a bit drastic or am I thinking realisticly :confused:

I totally agree, bring back national service, but i dont think we should use it for criminals i think we need to sort out the justice system for them so that they serve the time they deserve in prison.

I think we should send those who sit on their backsides all day doing nothing not getting a job and claiming the dole, i think they should be allowed a certain amount of time when they finnish school to go on to further education or find a job if they do neither say after a year or so then they should be drafted into the national service to learn a trade and to do something productive for their country.

This may lower crime by potential criminals learning disclipline in the service, a disclipline they no longer learn at home or in the schools, it may also cut down on teenage pregnancies as i believe this should apply to women as well as men.

150 years ago there was very little crime on paper, because the rich and powerful could get away with almost anything, form working children to death, to the abuse of their domestic staff. Somewhere between then and now we passed through a happy medium where ordinary people got rights and there was little crime.

But it's no good trying to solve modern day problems with solutions from the past. That era's gone.
If you brought back national service now, you'd probably be responsible for producing the best trained armed robbers and general gangsters in history, because it wouldn't instil respect. It would instil resentment.

A lot of people don't have respect for government anymore, because most people are educated enough to realise a lot of them are hypocrites and swindlers. Both parties.
So how does a government which does not have the trust of the people get rid of crime.

It's all very well Tony Blair going on about respect and the Tories building more jails, but until they stop demonstrating that the way they get ahead is by lying and cheating, there's can be no serious attempt to make our society more decent.

oh Donkey please do not say that you condone slavery and rape. I am utterly horrified by what I have read in these posts.

Personally, I think we're past the point of no return no matter what government is in power, no matter what they introduce. The PC brigade amongst many other groups have rapidly chipped away at our societies previously unwritten rules and we now find ourselves in the semi-anarchic world we live in. I'm open to suggestions as to how we get our society back on track but alas, I think it may well be too late :mad:

Originally posted by Babooshka
oh Donkey please do not say that you condone slavery and rape. I am utterly horrified by what I have read in these posts.

You could hardly misinterpret me more.

What I'm trying to point out is that back in the days when crime was dealt with harshly, it was one law for some people and another for others (the poor) and that is the way it still is today in countries where there is widespread executions and flogging - which is being advocated by some people on this thread.

What I meant was that horrific crimes were carried out in those days but were never recorded as such, because if you had money and power you could trample all over the lower orders.

Some people hark back to these days as a golden era. Victorian vaues and all that.

I'm now going to edit that post as I can see how it would be misinterpreted.

I thought you were saying that due to the way things were 150 years ago there was much less crime and therefore this was a good thing. Misread your post completely. I do apologise. I am fading in to extreme tiredness and just saw post after post of very upsetting arguments, and then misread the first few lines of YOUR post. Time for bed me thinks!

LOL are you kidding National Sevice as the answer???

If you think its bad on the streets now; as I do. Imagine what it would be like with 10 million plus trained soldiers???

The Governments saw the problem years ago!!! Well done to them. If the National sevice continued, i'm positive we would've had a Cival War by now! And the Government realised this too. They can treat us civvies like $h*t! But they'd struggle if we were all trained soldiers.

Yay National Service! Pow pow!

I wanna learn how to shoot stuff!

Where do I sign up??

CM x

if you don't want crime, then there must be no criminals. The only solution is to rescind all laws, then there will be no crime.