Is this the real truth about the Nazi camp.
Debate plz.

http://judicial-inc.biz/Auschwitz.htm

Polish lady,
Please take your nonsense and conspiracy theories elsewhere, My dad visited Auschwitz just after the war on National Service, that place is a monument to evil if ever there was one.

Oh, go away....

i'm not going to pass any comment on the post, other than to say i think this is going to get ugly... as it did last time.

i'm staying well clear.

Originally posted by kay_cee
Polish lady,
Please take your nonsense and conspiracy theories elsewhere, My dad visited Auschwitz just after the war on National Service, that place is a monument to evil if ever there was one.


I have been to the camp 5 times as its in my country and I think many things are not right about it.

No, it's a lot of nonsense polish_lady. Try reading Martin Gilberts "Holocaust" or "Auschwitz" by Laurence Rees. Wladyslaw Bartoszewki (former Polish Foreign Minister and former inmate of Auschwitz) says that " I believe that Rees's book will be included in tha canon of fundamental works shaping our knowledge of the holocaust"
Who produced your holiday camp fiction?

This website does not deserve debate. It is an obscenity.

I suppose Simon Wiesental was a liar as well ?

Innocent Nazis hanged at Nurembourg ? I dont think so. :loopy:

Is this the real truth about the Nazi camp..... This is a white thing . . .

Oh dear, another insecure, angry, bigoted, brain washed sucker tries to bring extreme right wing politics to the masses.

The world has moved on in the past 61 years. Not only are your views out of date but new medication/therapy methods have been discovered that can help you come back into mainstream society.

The only person your hatred hurts is yourself.

Originally posted by polish_lady
I have been to the camp 5 times as its in my country and I think many things are not right about it.

Like it being the venue for mass murder and inhumanity on a truly epic scale?

Originally posted by livestrong
i'm not going to pass any comment on the post, other than to say i think this is going to get ugly... as it did last time.

i'm staying well clear.

ditto, will check in and if a guenuine debate is taking place i will join in. i just cant see it :roll:

Originally posted by Preacher Man
ditto, will check in and if a guenuine debate is taking place i will join in. i just cant see it :roll:

another one joining you.

I think you need to take a trip to the Anne Frank museum in Amsterdam. That may open your eyes to what happened in the holocaust.
You say you have been to the camp 5 time and you still don’t think that it was the site of the most horrific crime of the 20th century?
10’s of thousands of the victims were from Poland.

This is absolute bunkum and should not be allowed public airing.
Please remove it from this forum

will check in and if a guenuine debate is taking place

another one joining you.

What is to debate? Are you both holocaust deniers?

Originally posted by 12bore
I think you need to take a trip to the Anne Frank museum in Amsterdam. That may open your eyes to what happened in the holocaust.
You say you have been to the camp 5 time and you still don’t think that it was the site of the most horrific crime of the 20th century?
10’s of thousands of the victims were from Poland.
Sadly 12bore I don't think it would make the slightest bit of difference to polish_lady. She's twisted. Hate has made her blind.

Originally posted by Halibut
Sadly 12bore I don't think it would make the slightest bit of difference to polish_lady. She's twisted. Hate has made her blind.

I fear you are correct my friend.
There are none so blind as those who will not see

Your Signature - "This is a white thing . . ."

Are you a Fundamentalist Muslim masquerading as a Polish citizen...

:suspect:

I'm surprised this thread is still here, to be honest. There's no need to debate the truth about Auschwitz, unless it's to discuss the nature of evil.

It is obviously a load of rubbish. There are various false 'facts' in the link.

Examples....

1) http://judicial-inc.biz/Auschwsaw2.jpg The Red Cross - This is clearly the KKK and not Red Cross Inspection Teams

2) http://judicial-inc.biz/Auschw14.jpg Camp Nurses - They dont look very camp to me.

This is absolute bunkum and should not be allowed public airing.
Please remove it from this forum

I agree it is bunkum, I don't believe it should be removed from the forum however. Bunkum should be proven to be what it is.. bunkum (nice word btw).

This is an arguement that is backed up by so much historical literature, fact and evidence that it can't be reasoned to be untrue by anybody but the completely moronic.

Over here you have renowned historians, scientists, survivors and historical documentation which say the truth is X. over there you have a bunch of extreme right leaning nazi sympathizers who want you to believe Y is the truth. Hey, do you believe the indepenent minds of the great thinkers or the people with the agenda?

Originally posted by Terrorist
Your Signature - "This is a white thing . . ."

Are you a Fundamentalist Muslim masquerading as a Polish citizen...

:suspect:
No, she's a Nazi apologist masquerading as a decent human being. As ppn_2204 points out - "There's no need to debate the truth about Auschwitz, unless it's to discuss the nature of evil."

Originally posted by polish_lady
Is this the real truth about the Nazi camp.
Debate plz.

http://judicial-inc.biz/Auschwitz.htm


Other Controversies
For many years, a memorial plaque placed at the camp by the Soviet authorities and the Polish communist government stated that 4 million people had been murdered at Auschwitz. This number was never taken seriously by Western historians, and was never used in any of the calculations of the death toll at Auschwitz (which have generally remained consistantly around 1-1.5 million for the last sixty years) or for the total deaths in the Holocaust as a whole. After the collapse of the Communist government, the plaque was removed and the official death toll given as 1.1 million. Holocaust deniers have attempted to use this change as propaganda, in the words of Nizkor: "Deniers often use the "Four Million Variant" as a stepping stone to leap from an apparent contradiction to the idea that the Holocaust was a hoax, again perpetrated by a conspiracy. They hope to discredit historians by making them seem inconsistent. If they can't keep their numbers straight, their reasoning goes, how can we say that their evidence for the Holocaust is credible? One must wonder which historians they speak of, as most have been remarkably consistent in their estimates of a million or so dead. In short, all of the denier's blustering about the "Four Million Variant" is a specious attempt to envelope the reader into their web of deceit, and it can be discarded after the most rudimentary examination of published histories."[1]

Recently the Polish media and the foreign ministry of Poland have voiced objections to the use of the expression "Polish death camp" in relation to Auschwitz, as they feel that phrase might misleadingly suggest that Poles (rather than Germans) perpetrated the Holocaust. Most media outlets now show awareness of the offence this may cause, and try to avoid using such expressions (or issue an apology after using them.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auschwitz_concentration_camp

Polish Lady the last paragraph says it all
just bury your head in the sand & pretend it never happened
but that will not alter the truth

Is holocaust denial still around? I thought that after the David Irving libel trial, the whole thing had been completely blown out of the water?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/war/genocide/deniers_01.shtml

Originally posted by Daley
Is holocaust denial still around? I thought that after the David Irving libel trial, the whole thing had been completely blown out of the water?

it has for most people but some other people will never see the truth only their version of it

In response to a post by Sony on the thread "Is there a jewish community in Sheffield" in which Sony expressed the view that there may be a Jewish community in Leeds but he/she thought there wasn't one in Sheffield, polish_lady said this -
" you are lucky....hehehe "

polish_lady - holocaust denier, anti-semite and nazi apologist. Oh, and of course,big friends with royjames your local BNP representative.

polish_lady - holocaust denier, anti-semite and nazi apologist. Oh, and of course,big friends with royjames your local BNP representative.

But of course, she is to stupid to realise the BNPs agenda to kick foreigners out of Britain isn't exclusive to skin colour.

Erm I'm sorry but these photos are to be classed as evidence?

http://judicial-inc.biz/Auschw17.jpg

This building could be anything!

The photo of the nurses, could be photos of ANY nurses!

http://judicial-inc.biz/Auschwww4.jp

A complaints office?

where inmates could register complaints or make suggestions. Camp Commander Hoess had a standing order that any inmate could approach him personally to register a complaint about other inmates such as "Kapos" and even guards.

* A system of strict discipline for guards and also for inmates, with severe punishment being handed out against those found guilty (for even slapping an inmate)


Give me a break would you?

So the holocaust survivors were making all the stories of mistreatment up for attention were they?

Polish_lady would you care to explain the millions of dead people (including women and children ffs) that the Allies discovered in these camps?

It seems you have already made your twisted mind up anyway....

Originally posted by Appolo


Polish Lady the last paragraph says it all
just bury your head in the sand & pretend it never happened
but that will not alter the truth

David Irving, the discredited 'historian', currently standing trial in Austria, claimed that the Holocaust never took place, and that Auschwitz was merely “a labor camp with an unfortunately high death rate.”

In his failed libel action, the judge described Irving as follows -
"Irving has for his own ideological reasons persistently and deliberately misrepresented and manipulated historical evidence; that for the same reasons he has portrayed Hitler in an unwarrantedly favourable light, principally in relation to his attitude towards and responsibility for the treatment of the Jews; that he is an active Holocaust denier; that he is anti-Semitic and racist and that he associates with right-wing extremists who promote neo-Nazism. "

Edit: Crossed posts with Daley.........
Originally posted by Daley
Is holocaust denial still around? I thought that after the David Irving libel trial, the whole thing had been completely blown out of the water?

Seems that active holocaust deniers may still be around. :suspect:

Originally posted by redrobbo
Seems that active holocaust deniers may still be around. :suspect:

Unfortunately there are thousands, possibly tens of thousands.

Look on any extremist right wing forum, particularly in the US, and you will find loads of the nutters.

http://judicial-inc.biz/Auschwitz.htm

What a load of Garbage.

You silly mare.

:shakes:

Originally posted by punk
But of course, she is to stupid to realise the BNPs agenda to kick foreigners out of Britain isn't exclusive to skin colour.

Not to mention that hitler hated Poles and called them Slavs - a race he deemed inferior - and had 5 million of them murdered.

I wonder what her fellow Poles think of her and her views. Maybe that's why she lives here.

Does Polish Lady realy exist or is she a figment of somebody's imagination.

As I child I actuallyy saw the newsreels of soldiers going into the death camps and will never forget the piles of skeletons some of who were waving stick like arms and legs--- thrown on the pile before they were dead. I also spoke with an exsoldier who said they were paid one and six ( about 7p ) extra to clean up the bodies.

Polih Lady is --- can't say in pollite words.

hazel

I'd like to appologise to the whole forum for being stupid and clicking yes before I saw the link :( :( :( :(

In my defense, I'm new to the forum and thought I was clicking affirmation of Auschwitz's history not denying it :(

Mod note:

This thread is now closed. We received what is probably a record number of complaints in a single hour.

koritsi, we have adjusted the poll to reflect your last comment.

Thank you for your contributions.