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Ive recently graduated with a first class science degree from sheffield yet cant get a job anywhere, well not one over about 6 pounds an hour.
Im not the only one, quite a few people i graduated with still havnt found jobs.
Firstly, is anyone having this difficulty finding a job in Sheffield with a good degree, and secondly, is there anyone out there who is willing to take on a hard working, enthusiastic scientist?!
Dont understand these people who want to live on benefits, what is the point?!
Frustrated.
WallBuilder 07-01-2006, 01:42 I suppose the problem is that a city can only have positions for so many scientists or media consultants or business studies or anything else you can imagine.
I knew a few students who when qualified seemed to expect a job to turn up on their doorstep and they wouldn't or couldn't consider a job in a different part of the country or worse still a job abroad.
One of my friends who got a degree and specialise in a rather way out science ended up going to work in Switzerland and is now working in America where they throw money at him but he had to be prepared to move.
CharleyF 07-01-2006, 01:45 I understand your frustration! I graduated from Uni of Sheffield last summer, have just been offered a job (not in Sheffield though - I'll be commuting to Chesterfield) but it took me six months to get anyone to offer me anything and I was wondering how I was ever going to get anything! Even an agency offering 'basic admin' work wouldn't take me on - because I hadn't got enough Previous Experience. That was meant to be the back up plan... It's a pain, I found that everyone wants Previous (professional) Experience, which a lot of people who have only just finished education don't have, and jobs that don't want Previous Experience aren't interested in anyone with a degree... It does sometimes make you wonder what the point was. Good luck with the job hunting, I hope you find something soon!
Back in the 1960's the problem of unemployed graduates did not arise, in the way it has today.
At that time upon leaving school most people had a job to go to, or were on a firms books that when they obtained their degree they would be guaranteed a job.
However when the reccession bit in the 70's this cosy world fell apart.
Then came Thatcher.
She destroyed what was left of our industry and we have what we are left with today
Unfortunatley, Further and Higher Education is just a job creation scheme, to massage figures to make it appear that unemployment among young people is not high.
So therefore unless you are Daddys little rich boy do not expect a life of milk and honey.
While ever we are a 'coolie' economy expect 'coolie' wages
Good Old Maggie
Unfortunately you need experience in your job to progress.... even Doctors and nurses have this problem.... you have to start at the bottom rung again with "practical experince."
You must be young enough to do this.... you will progress though.
evildrneil 07-01-2006, 10:21 What do you want to do? If you want to do research then you will need a PhD. If you want to work in a hospital lab (or similar) then you will need to be state registered. There are some jobs out there (jobs unlimited tends to have quite a lot of medical type ones e.g. this (http://jobs.guardian.co.uk/browse/health/general/vacancy-HealthJobsUK1170811207.html)) but you wil have to be prepared to do some more training I'm afraid and even then don't expect to be well paid!
pete_jim 07-01-2006, 10:56 I was going to ask the same thing as evildrneil, what do you want to do?
If you can't get something straight away then take the most appealing one at a paltry £6 an hour, you will gain experience in something, meet other people and widen your horizons. If you choose it carefully and approach it with the right attitude it could serve you well.
You can't blame it all on Margaret Thatcher (artisan), this Government has done done as much as anything else to raise peoples expectations to a far too high a level and saturate the employment market with people qualified to do squat diddly.
Your life outside the academic world is just begining and should be an exciting adventure of discovery, both of the world in general and of yourself. Don't let your own pre-conceptions and the blinkers of the academic world stop you seeing opportunities that are around you. Good luck.
RozeePozee 07-01-2006, 11:10 My partner's little brother completed his PhD in sciences last summer and he's only recently got a job . He held out for one he really wanted (and claimed benefits so he had something to live on - the benefits system does allow for this!) rather than take one that suited him less. Once you take a job, chances are you're stuck in it for a while and you're not so free to make sure you're not missing ads, making applications and going to interviews. He had to move though, from Liverpool to Manchester, so I think may have to go where the jobs are if the market in Sheffield is small or non-existent. Best of luck!
Well, has had been said above, you must be prepared to relocate and, depending on what you want to do, gain a further qualification.
If you want to do research, you don't necessarily have to do a PhD, you could get taken on with an MSc. Although the standard route for research is PhD, postdoc etc, you may get the chance to do a PhD 'on the job', usually following an MSc. Rare though, these days. If you want to work in academia (become a lecturer, senior lecturer and so on) you do need a PhD.
If you want to do lab work, but not necessarily work on your own research project, then you could go down the clinical scienitst route. The entry requirements (officially) are a first or a 2:1. Then there are the lab technician, research officer jobs. I'm not up to date on the job titles or entrance requirements for these, but you'd be working in a research lab as opposed to the clinical, diagnostic lab of the clinical scientist.
So, summary: You must be prepared to move away from Sheffield - or at least a longish commute - think about an MSc or similar and remember that although Sheffield Uni is fantastic, there are many Oxford science graduates with firsts going after the same jobs. The science industry is, usually, less mindlessly snobbish than some other disciplines when it comes to where you went to university, but there's lots of competition out there. I think if you want to stay in science (or at least the specific area of your degree) you'll have to go for a further qualification.
evildrneil 07-01-2006, 11:29 Originally posted by ppn_2204
If you want to do research, you don't necessarily have to do a PhD, you could get taken on with an MSc.
Could yes - but with the glut of PhD's on the market at the moment you will need something VERY special to offer (or a bit of nepotism!) to get a research post without one!
Originally posted by evildrneil
Could yes - but with the glut of PhD's on the market at the moment you will need something VERY special to offer (or a bit of nepotism!) to get a research post without one!
That's why I went on to say it's rare these days... though not unheard of, even without the nepotism.
northernboy 07-01-2006, 11:41 I too had a 1st from Sheffield (in a different subject) and came across the obstacle of not having any 'experience'. In the end I took a lower paid job and worked my way up in the company, becoming a manager a few years later - something I could have done without my qualification (although I don't regret my time at Uni for one second)
Originally posted by northernboy
I too had a 1st from Sheffield (in a different subject) and came across the obstacle of not having any 'experience'. In the end I took a lower paid job and worked my way up in the company, becoming a manager a few years later - something I could have done without my qualification (although I don't regret my time at Uni for one second)
I think that is the dilemma these days. Which route is best and most financially beneficial.
i had the problem too - lack of experience - in the end ( a year after graduation) i sent my CV to every firm relating to my degree in Sheffield and got 2 offers so that would be my advice to you.
Having a degree doesnt seem to have the same status in my opinion as it used to, most of my mates from uni have only got what i would call 'average jobs' which im sure u could get without a degree, it seems experience is what matters these days.
when i started uni i thought employers would be fighting over employing me but that is certainly not the case, i suppose it depends what area u are studying though and the demand.
i wouldnt knock getting a degree though, its not just about getting a job (IMO) its about achieving something fantastic, having a wicked time and meeting great friends! ( u can tell i loved uni)
StarSparkle 07-01-2006, 12:59 Originally posted by artisan
Back in the 1960's the problem of unemployed graduates did not arise, in the way it has today.
At that time upon leaving school most people had a job to go to, or were on a firms books that when they obtained their degree they would be guaranteed a job.
However when the reccession bit in the 70's this cosy world fell apart.
Then came Thatcher.
She destroyed what was left of our industry and we have what we are left with today
Unfortunatley, Further and Higher Education is just a job creation scheme, to massage figures to make it appear that unemployment among young people is not high.
So therefore unless you are Daddys little rich boy do not expect a life of milk and honey.
While ever we are a 'coolie' economy expect 'coolie' wages
Good Old Maggie
Ain't it just the spot-on truth. :(
It's been like this for graduates at least since the early 80s - there's no such thing as getting a good degree automatically followed smoothly by a good job with prospects.
How can there be today especially, when such a large percentage of school-leavers go on to higher education? There is a finite number of well-paying, graduate-type jobs. Back in the 60s when maybe only 5% of the population went to university the situation was different, but not now. Unfortunately, students' expectations have not kept pace with reality. Much of higher education is indeed designed nowadays to stop large numbers of young people from inflating the number of unemployed, and that's about it.
It's a hard fact of life that hits a lot of students on grauation. Sorry to be harsh, but it's the truth. Welcome to the real world.
StarSparkle
fnkysknky 07-01-2006, 13:27 As above there's that many people with the relevant qualifications nowadays that you need something else to differentiate yourself from other candidates.
You'll learn more in 6 months on a job then you will 2 years in a classroom. Take a job doing anything for now and stick it for 6 months or so and then at least you've got experience in a work environment, obviously you keep looking for a job in the field you're interested in while you're earning.
was this thread started because of my thread? yez its true i inspore people. your all welcome!
Don_Kiddick 07-01-2006, 13:45 Sheffield University Degrees - Please take one (http://www.homedecorations.com/Kohler/Revival%20Toilet%20Tissue%20Holder.jpg)
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Originally posted by TopMan
was this thread started because of my thread? yez its true i inspore people. your all welcome!
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StarSparkle 07-01-2006, 14:03 Originally posted by Don_Kiddick
Sheffield University Degrees - Please take one (http://www.homedecorations.com/Kohler/Revival%20Toilet%20Tissue%20Holder.jpg)
:hihi:
Oh you are awful! :o :D
But it is getting like that! :P
StarSparkle
pete_jim 07-01-2006, 14:59 Originally posted by RozeePozee
Once you take a job, chances are you're stuck in it for a while and you're not so free to make sure you're not missing ads, making applications and going to interviews.
I've never read such rubbish.
Originally posted by westons
Ive recently graduated with a first class science degree from sheffield yet cant get a job anywhere, well not one over about 6 pounds an hour.
Im not the only one, quite a few people i graduated with still havnt found jobs.
Firstly, is anyone having this difficulty finding a job in Sheffield with a good degree, and secondly, is there anyone out there who is willing to take on a hard working, enthusiastic scientist?!
Dont understand these people who want to live on benefits, what is the point?!
Frustrated.
Hi Westons, you've not said what kind of job you are looking for. Also, is your degree from Sheffield Uni or Hallam?
The thing is, you could probably get a really good graduate position down south, with a first, especially if its a physical science you graduated in. Are you looking to continue as a scientist?
Phanerothyme 07-01-2006, 15:12 Originally posted by westons
Ive recently graduated with a first class science degree from sheffield yet cant get a job anywhere, well not one over about 6 pounds an hour.
Im not the only one, quite a few people i graduated with still havnt found jobs.
Firstly, is anyone having this difficulty finding a job in Sheffield with a good degree, and secondly, is there anyone out there who is willing to take on a hard working, enthusiastic scientist?!
Dont understand these people who want to live on benefits, what is the point?!
Frustrated.
Teach!
We need science teachers....especially ones with charisma and social skills.
StarSparkle 07-01-2006, 15:23 Originally posted by Phanerothyme
Teach!
We need science teachers....especially ones with charisma and social skills.
Not to be difficult, but the concept of a science teacher with charisma and social skills doesn't quite gell..... :suspect:
StarSparkle :D
I'm sure if you keep trying, then eventually you will succeed ... if not where you live now, there are jobs out there in the wide world for people with an education - and you've got age on your side.
It could be worse, I've got a 1st class hons degree and am out of work (redundant - excess to requirements) ... on the scrapheap at the age of 50. Nobody will give me a real job - because plenty of people like you will do it for a much lower salary.
No state help for people like me either - I don't qualify for UB, Social Security or anything else. What a great country we live in (NOT)..
Internetowl 07-01-2006, 16:51 If you've been paying National insurance contributions then you're entitled to Unemployment Benefit I'm sure...
Anyhow Crapita are always looking for graduates on minimum wages - give them a ring at Nunnery
evildrneil 07-01-2006, 16:52 Originally posted by StarSparkle
Not to be difficult, but the concept of a science teacher with charisma and social skills doesn't quite gell..... :suspect:
StarSparkle :D
Hey I had a fabulous physics teach for my O levels (ooops just given away how old I am!) and got an A for it then a lousy one for my A levels and it all went pear shaped! While I can't blame this on my teachers they do certainly have an impact! And no we scientists aren't ALL white labcoat wearing geeks with no social skills :P
Originally posted by Internetowl
If you've been paying National insurance contributions then you're entitled to Unemployment Benefit I'm sure...
Anyhow Crapita are always looking for graduates on minimum wages - give them a ring at Nunnery
Not anymore - they changed the rules and now it's means tested. My redundancy payments and savings are all taken into account, hence I get nothing except my NI Stamp paid ... and for that I would need to sigh once every two weeks. That's all you get for working for 30 years and never claiming anything. If I'd frittered everything away and been totally irresponsible, they'd roll out the red carpet and give me benefit and pay my Council Tax ... in this country, any saving are held against you.
Internetowl 07-01-2006, 17:04 and now you've declared your savings they'll want to know where it went before helping you - should have stashed it elsewhere....
;)
StarSparkle 07-01-2006, 17:07 Originally posted by evildrneil
Hey I had a fabulous physics teach for my O levels (ooops just given away how old I am!) and got an A for it then a lousy one for my A levels and it all went pear shaped! While I can't blame this on my teachers they do certainly have an impact! And no we scientists aren't ALL white labcoat wearing geeks with no social skills :P
:( Sorry, Evildrneil - I stand corrected. Only 98% of science teachers have no charisma or social skills! :P
And scientists as socially-challenged, white lab-coat weaing geeks? Perish the thought! :cool:
Only kidding..... :)
StarSparkle
As Ive said before education is meaningless at present.
There is no work to be had.
Millions are chasing non existing opportunities, carry on in higher education and as Mr Micawber says 'hope something will turn up' because they have us by the balls
Sorry to be so negative, its just the way it is
Kthebean 07-01-2006, 17:19 Education isn't meaningless, even if it doesn't shoot you onto the career path you'd always dreamed of.
I'm doing my degree because I'm really interested in it, and I feel like its enriching my mind. I probably won't earn much more when I graduate than I would have done if I'd gone straight into work after my A levels but I love the degree I do and the life that I have.
I admit to watching my mounting debt with apprehension but if you are careful with money its manageable. I have managed with a series of crazy part time jobs that have really taught me a lot.
Education isn't just about getting on the right career path, and neither is life - a lot of people I know that have achieved a lot have done it outside of their careers.
Sorry I came across there in the wrong sense.
To me education is the be all and end all of life
If I went a single minute without learning something, I have wasted that minute.
I meant it was useless to the capilalist swine who are using us
I apologise for any offence
Kthebean 07-01-2006, 17:36 No offence taken :)
I get sick of people (not you) telling me my degree isn't 'worth' anything when to me its worth more than money. After all, for everything else there's mastercard...:hihi:
miniminch 07-01-2006, 17:47 Originally posted by kathythebean
I'm doing my degree because I'm really interested in it, and I feel like its enriching my mind. I probably won't earn much more when I graduate How is the degree in advanced mooneying going?
StarSparkle 07-01-2006, 17:47 Originally posted by kathythebean
No offence taken :)
I get sick of people (not you) telling me my degree isn't 'worth' anything when to me its worth more than money. After all, for everything else there's mastercard...:hihi:
The point is though, a degree nowadays is worth very little out there in the employment market. Its currency has been totally de-valued by the number of degrees there are out there now, mostly in subjects not related to any particular profession, and the number of 'universities' there are.
A degree's a great thing to have for personal satisfaction and personal development, but it's not a passport to a good job.
And as for Mastercard - to my way of thinking, anything that can be bought with Mastercard ain't really worth having.
StarSparkle
Originally posted by StarSparkle
Not to be difficult, but the concept of a science teacher with charisma and social skills doesn't quite gell..... :suspect:
StarSparkle :D
Lol, so true... My old science teacher at Gleadless Valley was a ****... And I'm sure DaBouncer will concur as he had the same bloke, and spent many a time outside his classroom as he regularly got chucked out if I recall.
Yes, DaBouncer and I went to the same School many moons ago (It'll be 14 years in April since I left).
Kthebean 07-01-2006, 17:49 Yeah, the mastercard thing was a crap joke, I don't believe in credit cards.
Originally posted by StarSparkle
A degree's a great thing to have for personal satisfaction and personal development, but it's not a passport to a good job.
And thats just exactly what I said:
I'm doing my degree because I'm really interested in it, and I feel like its enriching my mind. I probably won't earn much more when I graduate than I would have done if I'd gone straight into work after my A levels but I love the degree I do and the life that I have.
my posts keep getting mixed up so i will leave off :D
Kthebean 07-01-2006, 17:56 My point was, really, even if my degree isn't worth anything in the employment market (at least I can now apply for jobs that state 'must have a degree'!) its worth something to me.
Cheezy, maybe, and it certainly won't pay the rent...anyone know of any lonely millionaires..:hihi:
It was suggested before in this thread about being a science teacher.
The govt are giving a training salary of £7000 for people with at least a 2;2 degree to train to be a teacher 1 year PGCE course. Science teachers are much in demand and I think it wouldn't be too hard to get a job. New teachers cost a lot less :D so schools can be more inclined to take them on, especially if you are sociable and charismatic:hihi:
StarSparkle 07-01-2006, 18:07 Originally posted by kathythebean
My point was, really, even if my degree isn't worth anything in the employment market (at least I can now apply for jobs that state 'must have a degree'!) its worth something to me.
Cheezy, maybe, and it certainly won't pay the rent...anyone know of any lonely millionaires..:hihi:
I think we're broadly in agreement, Kathythebean. :)
I do feel though that a lot of young people are being 'conned' into thinking all they need for a financially-rewarding future is to get a degree, and that's just simply not the case today. A lot of people are getting into a lot of debt on what effectively amounts to false promises.
Then there's the sharp fall to earth when jobhunting after graduation - and you can be sure creditors aren't going to forget about all that debt.....
If students know what the real world of jobs is like, and are doing their degrees for personal development reasons, then that's fantastic. But I do think many of them aren't really aware of the true situation, and that isn't right.
StarSparkle
Science jobs really aren't that hard to come by. However, you will have to be prepared to relocate. There are many graduate positions down south, as I think someone has already mentioned. They are also notorious for not paying very well in comparison to other graduate jobs.
Originally posted by Twiglet
They are also notorious for not paying very well in comparison to other graduate jobs.
Understatement!!!!!!
You work hard (well sort of) and get your science degree with anticipation of working in industry as a "proper" scientist. You get there and realise you are just an underpaid lab monkey...........
You really need a PhD is you want to get a management position in the science industry.
evildrneil 07-01-2006, 18:47 Originally posted by spicey
Understatement!!!!!!
You work hard (well sort of) and get your science degree with anticipation of working in industry as a "proper" scientist. You get there and realise you are just an underpaid lab monkey...........
You really need a PhD is you want to get a management position in the science industry.
Then you work hard to get you PhD and still end up as an underpaid lab monkey - assuming you can find a job in research at all. Add to this the fact that nearly all research is short term contracts it makes you wonder why we do it!
Originally posted by evildrneil
Then you work hard to get you PhD and still end up as an underpaid lab monkey - assuming you can find a job in research at all. Add to this the fact that nearly all research is short term contracts it makes you wonder why we do it!
Absolutely. The research career track and pay scale for a science postdoc in academia is absolutely rubbish. Three years (minimum) for a degree three years (ha! I don't think so!), usually four for a PhD, then you're of to a future of short-term contracts, furious grant writing in search of funding and the 'publish or die' ethos. Lovely. All that so that you can do your own research. Well worth it :rolleyes: . Get a job in industry. Or, if you're a physical scientist, move to the City. You'll be working like mad, but at least you'll get shed loads of cash.
As for the scientist as geek; stereotype much? You've obviously never been near a lab :) .
My reply probably isn't going to be very helpful to you, but if i was in your shoes now i would learn a trade while you're still young. Everyone i know who hasn't got a trade wishes they had, and you'll never be stuck for work or money.
I'm not including yours here, but there are far too many degrees that are there for the sake of it and which give little hope of a meaningful career at the end.
To any young person reading this and who is wondering what to do with their lives as i was, my advice is to learn something practical, that as well as earning you a living (a lot of the time as self-employed with no boss), will also save you a fortune as you can do things for yourself!
DaBouncer 08-01-2006, 18:02 Originally posted by Rich
Lol, so true... My old science teacher at Gleadless Valley was a ****... And I'm sure DaBouncer will concur as he had the same bloke, and spent many a time outside his classroom as he regularly got chucked out if I recall.
Yes, DaBouncer and I went to the same School many moons ago (It'll be 14 years in April since I left).
We may have shared the same teacher but I never got chucked out science Richard.
Given I got an A* in science since it was my best subject it seems pretty strange that you have some illusion I was chucked out of the class on numerous occasions.
Maybe Lyons was an arse with you because you were thick/slow and didn't pay attention? :roll:
Or maybe it was just the Burberry cap :roll:
Originally posted by artisan
[B]Back in the 1960's the problem of unemployed graduates did not arise, in the way it has today.
At that time upon leaving school most people had a job to go to, or were on a firms books that when they obtained their degree they would be guaranteed a job.
However when the reccession bit in the 70's this cosy world fell apart.
Then came Thatcher.
She destroyed what was left of our industry and we have what we are left with today
you meen that which the unions hadn't already destroyed in the 1970s and and uncle arthur and his bootboy cronies finished off with the miner's strike?
StarSparkle 08-01-2006, 19:51 Originally posted by zippy
you meen that which the unions hadn't already destroyed in the 1970s and and uncle arthur and his bootboy cronies finished off with the miner's strike?
No.
StarSparkle
goldenfleece 08-01-2006, 19:56 Unfortunatley, Further and Higher Education is just a job creation scheme, to massage figures to make it appear that unemployment among young people is not high.
So therefore unless you are Daddys little rich boy do not expect a life of milk and honey.[/B]
Very true. Most graduates end up in crap jobs....the gravy train died years ago.....its just a few extra years off the dole Q being a student, thats all.....
One problem is that there are so many degrees out there. Sheffield Uni is part of the elite Russell group, which is renowned for high quality teaching. No disrespect to the old polytechnics but some of them have a long way to catch up. However, employers see all degrees as the same and don't consider the depth of work a person may have done in their department, and the extra-curricular stuff they would have done. For example, at Uni I coordinated large scale events for the Union. When I went for a job interview to work in a large office I didn't get it as someone had more 'office experience' than me!
Originally posted by goldenfleece
Very true. Most graduates end up in crap jobs....the gravy train died years ago.....its just a few extra years off the dole Q being a student, thats all.....
And your source for such a statement is? I don't think most graduates end up on the dole. Depending on what subject you do, you might take a bit of time finding a job, but then again the search for a job is difficult for most people.
goldenfleece 08-01-2006, 20:12 Originally posted by go4it
One problem is that there are so many degrees out there. Sheffield Uni is part of the elite Russell group, which is renowned for high quality teaching. No disrespect to the old polytechnics but some of them have a long way to catch up. However, employers see all degrees as the same and don't consider the depth of work a person may have done in their department, and the extra-curricular stuff they would have done. For example, at Uni I coordinated large scale events for the Union. When I went for a job interview to work in a large office I didn't get it as someone had more 'office experience' than me!
Yep, agree. Fat too many people have degrees, so many in fact they are now totally useless. In the old days when Univrsity was for the priveleged few, a degree was respected, and highly admired. A man or woman with a degree was an upstanding member of the community and one of the elite. But since the 80s expansion of education to the point that hundreds of thousands of degrees are issued annually, all meaning and status has been lost completely.
These days ANYONE can get into Uni, and I mean ANYONE, and some of the cretins that graduate each year who are no more than jumped up yobbo chavs really **** me off!!!!
A degree is USELESS. What counts is experience of the REAL WORLD and not pampered student life which gives you as much insight into real world as watching Celebrity Big brother.
Originally posted by goldenfleece
Yep, agree. Fat too many people have degrees, so many in fact they are now totally useless. In the old days when Univrsity was for the priveleged few, a degree was respected, and highly admired. A man or woman with a degree was an upstanding member of the community and one of the elite. But since the 80s expansion of education to the point that hundreds of thousands of degrees are issued annually, all meaning and status has been lost completely.
These days ANYONE can get into Uni, and I mean ANYONE, and some of the cretins that graduate each year who are no more than jumped up yobbo chavs really **** me off!!!!
A degree is USELESS. What counts is experience of the REAL WORLD and not pampered student life which gives you as much insight into real world as watching Celebrity Big brother.
There are far too many generalised statements and hyperbole in that post;) . A degree isn't useless. There are certain jobs and disciplines for which a degree is absolutely essential.
HottyMcBuff 08-01-2006, 20:27 I disagree with some of the points not all degrees are worthless. My degree is in radiography without it i would not be qualifed or allowed to do my job. Admittedly it is a more vocational style degree but it's still a BSc(hons). More vocational in my case meant that i had to do 25 weeks a year of hospital placement and still complete a degree level course in the remaining time.
Although it meant that i qualified with exeperience and had a job secured by march of the 3rd year.
A couple of my friends did science degrees they have ended up training to be accountants?!
Originally posted by HottyMcBuff
I disagree with some of the points not all degrees are worthless. My degree is in radiography without it i would not be qualifed or allowed to do my job. Admittedly it is a more vocational style degree but it's still a BSc(hons). More vocational in my case meant that i had to do 25 weeks a year of hospital placement and still complete a degree level course in the remaining time.
Although it meant that i qualified with exeperience and had a job secured by march of the 3rd year.
A couple of my friends did science degrees they have ended up training to be accountants?!
Sorry this was meant to be my post didn't realise it was his login on computer:rolleyes:
Originally posted by zippy
you meen that which the unions hadn't already destroyed in the 1970s and and uncle arthur and his bootboy cronies finished off with the miner's strike?
I think you will find that the boots were on the feet of the Coppers.
Any adult who lived at that time knows what an evil cow Thatcher is.
I think with a degree you have to be clever in your choice if you want to make life easy for yourself. Find a niche in the market. Also it depends on your reasons for doing a degree. Pleasure or career.
If you manage to fulfill both you are lucky or pursuing a really wierd vocation. ;)
Reading this has been an insight into the future. Some very good points here.
I am in my 3rd (out of 4) year at Sheffield University doing a Masters in Mathematics (Msc), hoping to achieve a 2:1.
The one thing I thought I could always fall back on with a maths degree was teaching as it is widely known there is a drought in science/maths teachers.
It looks like from what I have read, I need to get some office experience as quickly as possible and as much as possible. I only have about 8 weeks office experience to my name!
I agree with people who are pointing out the saturation of the graduate market.
There is no point going to university and then ending up £20k in debt on an under-average salary, whereas your mate who left at GCSE or A-Level has 3 years of experence on an average wage (probably better than what you will be getting offered) and best of all has no debt.
The mind boggles.
StarSparkle 09-01-2006, 18:37 Originally posted by byb3
There is no point going to university and then ending up £20k in debt on an under-average salary, whereas your mate who left at GCSE or A-Level has 3 years of experence on an average wage (probably better than what you will be getting offered) and best of all has no debt.
The mind boggles.
It's become a strange world, indeed :(
But I don't think you have too much to worry about - as you say, there is a shortage of teachers in maths and science, so I really don't think your relative lack of work experience would be a hindrance at all.
Lack of office experience is much more of a problem for Arts and Social Science graduates.
StarSparkle
Take a £6 an hour for a few months then try and get another job, it is allways easier to get a job while you are employed rather then unemployed. If that fails go to collage and become a plumber, they are quids in at the moment due to a shortage in the skilled work force.
I think you will find that the boots were on the feet of the Coppers.
Any adult who lived at that time knows what an evil cow Thatcher is.
didn't see many police officers dropping breezeblocks onto taxis or stoning buses ... don't see many police officers crossing roads of leaving pubs and shops because someone who didn't strike is present...
the pickets broke the rules and recieved the full force of the law - to allow those who wished to go about their lawful business to do so ...
striking in the modern era is ultimately counter productive - what may have worked pre globalisation would not work in the modern era - as wel have seen.
Start an anarchistic community, and trade your skills with other intelligent, resourceful people without the need for, monetary gain/economic dependancy, on a corrupt incompetant, wasteful system.
(I wish)
brummieade 10-08-2006, 12:14 sheffield is rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrubbish for graduates....there is simply not enough jobs for the 60,000 or so students here...
like other posters have said on this you are probs gonna have to relocate to find work, get that 6months - 2 yrs experience then flock back...
Agree with 90 percent of the above so won't repeat all that stuff. Reading this thread has made me feel a lot better about my (our) situaiton. I graduated in 2003 with a Psychology degree from Hull. Since then I have never earned more than £11,000 a year. However I am starting teacher training in September. My graduate boyfriend is really stuck though £6.70 an hour in a Rotherham call centre. He's not a happy man. Academia or teaching seems to be the only route out for him.
NEKRO138 10-08-2006, 12:59 Take a low paid job, get some experience under your belt. That's what employers really want.
Blade1983 10-08-2006, 13:10 Back in the 1960's the problem of unemployed graduates did not arise, in the way it has today.
At that time upon leaving school most people had a job to go to, or were on a firms books that when they obtained their degree they would be guaranteed a job.
However when the reccession bit in the 70's this cosy world fell apart.
Then came Thatcher.
She destroyed what was left of our industry and we have what we are left with today
Unfortunatley, Further and Higher Education is just a job creation scheme, to massage figures to make it appear that unemployment among young people is not high.
So therefore unless you are Daddys little rich boy do not expect a life of milk and honey.
While ever we are a 'coolie' economy expect 'coolie' wages
Good Old Maggie
I love the way labour supporters blame everything on "Good Old Maggie" - the fact is Labour have been in power long enough now that they could have "Put right" or at least started to "Put right" the things that Maggie did wrong...
.... the truth is though, that Labour are rather pleased that Maggie did what she did, because that means they can continue to blame the Torries for the state of the country, knowing that they would have done EXACTLY THE SAME... and knowing that they continue to perpetuate what she did - privatisation, moving away from industry etc.
Blade1983 10-08-2006, 13:18 unfortunately - Degrees are now 10 a penny - I know a "Science" degree is most likely a very hard degree with a lot of work involved, but I'm afraid you're having your degree devalued due to the "Micky Mouse" degrees that are around:
Examples:
Degree in Media studies & Eating cornflakes
Degree in Sports Studies & wax model sculpting
Degree in Sheep sheering & and bacon sandwich making
Degree in Buttering bread & trumpet pollishing
you get the picture - fact is, if your after a science job you'll probably need a masters, and if you just want a high paid job in some other industry then employers couldn't give a rats what your degree is in - they just see another graduate with a piece of paper in his hand who 6 weeks previous was wearing a long black dress and a funny square hat.
CockneyMafia 10-08-2006, 13:18 I was going to ask the same thing as evildrneil, what do you want to do?
If you can't get something straight away then take the most appealing one at a paltry £6 an hour, you will gain experience in something, meet other people and widen your horizons. If you choose it carefully and approach it with the right attitude it could serve you well.
You can't blame it all on Margaret Thatcher (artisan), this Government has done done as much as anything else to raise peoples expectations to a far too high a level and saturate the employment market with people qualified to do squat diddly.
Your life outside the academic world is just begining and should be an exciting adventure of discovery, both of the world in general and of yourself. Don't let your own pre-conceptions and the blinkers of the academic world stop you seeing opportunities that are around you. Good luck.
I have to agree with much of this thread.
The bottom line is we are producing far too many "graduates" for the same avount of vacancies. This means (like a lot of my friends) that graduates end up doing jobs that a school leaver could do, simply because there is no other employment out there. In short, degrees are becoming devalued and meaningless.
I would also add though that as lovely as Sheffield is, it isnt the best place to look for work if you are a graduate.
Personally, I blame a lot of the curent situation on two things.
1. The devaluation by careers sevices on vocational careers such as plumbing, electrcis etc.
2. This ridiculous notion that everyone should be entitled to sit a degree course irrespective of their previous qualifications. You should EARN the right to go to university, not just be given it.
The country, and its academic qualifications, are being dumbed down.
Blade1983 10-08-2006, 13:20 Thatcher's Brittain!
brummieade 10-08-2006, 13:27 unfortunately - Degrees are now 10 a penny - I know a "Science" degree is most likely a very hard degree with a lot of work involved, but I'm afraid you're having your degree devalued due to the "Micky Mouse" degrees that are around:
Examples:
Degree in Media studies & Eating cornflakes
Degree in Sports Studies & wax model sculpting
Degree in Sheep sheering & and bacon sandwich making
Degree in Buttering bread & trumpet pollishing
you get the picture - fact is, if your after a science job you'll probably need a masters, and if you just want a high paid job in some other industry then employers couldn't give a rats what your degree is in - they just see another graduate with a piece of paper in his hand who 6 weeks previous was wearing a long black dress and a funny square hat.
couldnt have put it better myself!
sayloubay 10-08-2006, 13:32 I did Media Studies. I now have a good job which is related to my degree and am on quite good money.
So not every situation is the same and you shouldn't judge people when you don't know what you are talking about. :)
karatemma 10-08-2006, 13:43 I am just finishing a Business Property Management course at Sheffield Hallam (2:1) and have a well paid job to go to in September but only because i'm prepared to commute to Nottingham each day (which is the only bit i'm not looking forward to).
I have two friends who finished uni last year, one of them still hasn't got a job and has been unemployed until this week (she just started doing admin work) and the other had to commute to Wakefield (until finally finding a job in Sheffield 2 months ago).
As other people have said, you need to be prepared to travel or move.
The Universities seem to be attracting more and more students each year, they cannot realise that there aren't going to be any jobs here for them once they finish... what can be done?
Blade1983 10-08-2006, 13:43 I did Media Studies. I now have a good job which is related to my degree and am on quite good money.
So not every situation is the same and you shouldn't judge people when you don't know what you are talking about. :)
but did you take the extra credit part of your degree? the eating cornflakes module? :D
I'm going to add you to my buddies list "Sayloubay" - we have some good banter :thumbsup:
sayloubay 10-08-2006, 13:47 but did you take the extra credit part of your degree? the eating cornflakes module? :D
I'm going to add you to my buddies list "Sayloubay" - we have some good banter :thumbsup:
No actually my extra credit was in watching 'Trisha' and rolling spliffs
:o
I thought you were going to add me to your ignore list 'Blade1983' but that's made me happy now I'm your buddy instead haha :) :) :)
Blade1983 10-08-2006, 13:51 No actually my extra credit was in watching 'Trisha' and rolling spliffs
:o
I thought you were going to add me to your ignore list 'Blade1983' but that's made me happy now I'm your buddy instead haha :) :) :)
I enjoy a good bit of banter - even if you are wrong most of the time :hihi:
this may have been said.but sod it
why don't people have a career in mind before doing a degree.
surely the point of having specialist knowledge is to carry out a specialised occupation. if you dont know what you want to do how the heck is an employer going to know.
having a science dgree is like having a maths degree - useless unless you know what comes next.(i've got one so i talk from experience)
further more, everyone has always had to commute.
i had to commute to ossett to do an office job then leeds to be a salesperson.
every shef uni "pupil" cant expect a job in sheffield - most of them aren't from sheff in the first place,and any job they take prevents a local getting one.
sayloubay 10-08-2006, 13:54 I enjoy a good bit of banter - even if you are wrong most of the time :hihi:
:o :o :o Me wrong? Well I don't know about that. :hihi: :hihi:
I just think that we all have our own opinions and obviously stick up for our own choices and the way we have chosen to live our lives. There is nothing wrong with that. :) :)
Plus, as you are a Blade I have every respect for you. If you were an Owl, well then it would be a different matter..............
RazorSHarp 10-08-2006, 15:20 Macdonalds are recruiting at the moment !!! :thumbsup:
CockneyMafia 10-08-2006, 15:43 I did Media Studies. I now have a good job which is related to my degree and am on quite good money.
So not every situation is the same and you shouldn't judge people when you don't know what you are talking about. :)
My mate did "Media Science" at Hallam Uni. I think his course amounted to 4 hours of lectures a week.
He ended up with a 2:1 after copying someone elses notes (it was all coursework based)
No wonder this country is going to the dogs.
CHAIRBOY 10-08-2006, 15:52 Westons, you have my sympathy, it must be very disheartening. Don't panic, however, and succumb to going into the teaching profession.
Throngor 10-08-2006, 16:06 My mate did "Media Science" at Hallam Uni. I think his course amounted to 4 hours of lectures a week.
He ended up with a 2:1 after copying someone elses notes (it was all coursework based)
No wonder this country is going to the dogs.
They've changed the way they've calculated Degrees at Hallam this year, whereby they either calculate it the traditional way, by taking the highest 25% from your second year and the highest 75% from your final year OR alternatively, completely ignore your first two years and base you degree entirely on your third year average.
I'm annoyed at this for two reasons, firstly, under the new system I would have gotten a grade higher and secondly, it basically invites the students to do absolutely nothing for the first two years. I've spoken to people at work about this (I work at SHU) and no-one seems to understand why they've changed it. Pretty obvious to me, on the course I deal with, last year we had about 3 first class students, a smattering of 2:1's and the majority on 2:2's. This year, under the new system, we have 9 first class students, the majority 2:1's, a smattering of 2:2's and only one 3rd Class student - out of just over a 100? Surely, in order to maintain standards, they should go back through all the previous students and upgrade their results under the new system.
Obviously they won't, because it costs and makes them look silly, but what it does show is that the standards have blatantly dropped - a student scraping a 2:1 this year solely due to their final year results most likely would have gained a 2:2 last year.
Back in the 1960's the problem of unemployed graduates did not arise, in the way it has today.
At that time upon leaving school most people had a job to go to, or were on a firms books that when they obtained their degree they would be guaranteed a job.
However when the reccession bit in the 70's this cosy world fell apart.
Then came Thatcher.
She destroyed what was left of our industry and we have what we are left with today
Unfortunatley, Further and Higher Education is just a job creation scheme, to massage figures to make it appear that unemployment among young people is not high.
So therefore unless you are Daddys little rich boy do not expect a life of milk and honey.
While ever we are a 'coolie' economy expect 'coolie' wages
Good Old Maggie
And I am thinking what about the unions.
last warrior 10-08-2006, 16:59 I did a science degree and moved in IT. There are very few positions in science available these days.
Reading this has been an insight into the future. Some very good points here.
I am in my 3rd (out of 4) year at Sheffield University doing a Masters in Mathematics (Msc), hoping to achieve a 2:1.
The one thing I thought I could always fall back on with a maths degree was teaching as it is widely known there is a drought in science/maths teachers.
It looks like from what I have read, I need to get some office experience as quickly as possible and as much as possible. I only have about 8 weeks office experience to my name!
I agree with people who are pointing out the saturation of the graduate market.
There is no point going to university and then ending up £20k in debt on an under-average salary, whereas your mate who left at GCSE or A-Level has 3 years of experence on an average wage (probably better than what you will be getting offered) and best of all has no debt.
The mind boggles.
its not so much getting office experience, but work experience, which a lot of students lack. i worked my ass off through uni (at hallam) and became a manager/supervisor at two places that i worked. i was never unemployed while at uni, and this has meant that i am employable. three weeks after leaving uni i got a job as a manager at a big retail store in birmingham, cos i couldnt find good work in sheff, but i wouldnt have got this job had i not built up a very good employment history, since i was 13.
i have just finished uni, and i have to say a lot of students expect to have everything handed to them on a plate! what is wrong with getting paid £6 p/h? its more than i was on while working as a manager in an offie (on £4.25 p/h). yes, you may well have to do jobs that arent your first choice, but that is life! unless youve built up a cv with good refrences and skills, then how are you any different from anyone else?
I really wanted to stay in Sheff, but have realised that there is nothing career wise here for me (Materials engineering). I have just had an interview for a PhD at Manchester uni today, and really hope I get it. Not only am I fascinated by the topic, I know that I need a PhD to get anywhere in my career. 3 years more on crap pay, but I think it's the safest move I can make for my career. Still, it's an absolute wounder to leave Sheffield, I love the place, but what can you do?
if their aint enough jobs to go round the government should make more, build new factories to make chemicals, drugs etc and research new ones. Build stuff (practically owt) more firemen, medics, jails, etc gardeners especially in sheffield we have nice gardens lets make em better and plenty of green space.
nightrider 11-08-2006, 09:13 I did a science degree and moved in IT. There are very few positions in science available these days.
Yes. I have been looking round in case my contract isnt renewed next year and there seems to be very little in the way of science jobs in this country. I may well be forced abroad just to find a job :(
Or will have to change career to IT or finance which I dont want to do, but there may be no choice.
if their aint enough jobs to go round the government should make more, build new factories to make chemicals, drugs etc and research new ones. Build stuff (practically owt) more firemen, medics, jails, etc gardeners especially in sheffield we have nice gardens lets make em better and plenty of green space.
Unfortunately the real world is not like Sim City.
I really wanted to stay in Sheff, but have realised that there is nothing career wise here for me (Materials engineering). I have just had an interview for a PhD at Manchester uni today, and really hope I get it. Not only am I fascinated by the topic, I know that I need a PhD to get anywhere in my career. 3 years more on crap pay, but I think it's the safest move I can make for my career. Still, it's an absolute wounder to leave Sheffield, I love the place, but what can you do?
Good Luck! Hope it works out for you. My boyfriend is just waiting on a PhD decision from Glasgow and he's very nervous about it!
lalaland 11-08-2006, 11:59 This seems to be quite a common problem and while I don't think that everyone who goes through higher education ends up like this, it appears quite a few do.
I know several. One mate did a degree in something to do with medicine (not a doctor) but couldn't get work in this for 2 years. Another mate of mine did an HND in graphic design and isn't happy with his salary (think around £17,000). I know several others that went to Uni or similar to further educate themselves and all are earning less than £20,000 a year.
I didn't go to Uni. I did one college course at Norton college and was taken on by a company as a trainee. I earned crap money for the first few years but now earn just under £30,000 a year with a lot more of the ladder to climb over the next few years hopefully. I enjoy my job most of the time because I am good at it and because there's lots to do.
It just shows that further education isn't always the way to get a decent career.
I am not saying that further education is a waste of time, far from it. I know several people that went to Uni and earn a hell of a lot of money and are happy in their jobs.
I think the main thing about work isn't the cash you earn though (as long as you have enough to be comfortable), it's how much you enjoy the job, put in to it etc. and if it's the right job for you.
this may have been said.but sod it
why don't people have a career in mind before doing a degree.
surely the point of having specialist knowledge is to carry out a specialised occupation. if you dont know what you want to do how the heck is an employer going to know.
having a science dgree is like having a maths degree - useless unless you know what comes next.(i've got one so i talk from experience)
further more, everyone has always had to commute.
i had to commute to ossett to do an office job then leeds to be a salesperson.
every shef uni "pupil" cant expect a job in sheffield - most of them aren't from sheff in the first place,and any job they take prevents a local getting one.
That all depends on how much your careers advisor lied to you. As a rather nieve sixth former I took it as gospel that my Psychology degree would allow me to work as a some kind of Psychologist. I know how silly that sounds now but at seventeen you just sort of trust those sort of people to know what they're on about. It wasn't till later on I realised about a) the tens of millions of other Psychology students out there b) the tens of thousands of pounds it would take to fund post - grad study if i still wanted to be one. Silly ole me.
CockneyMafia 11-08-2006, 12:18 I blame the Blair government, and all the right on pressure groups who insist everyone should have a right to go to university.
I hope they have got what they want now; a totally devalued academic qualification, and a generation of increasingly stupid, inexperienced, debt ridden young adults.
I remember the days when you had to pass things called A levels to get into University. The last open day at Hallam Uni looked like an audition run for the Jeremy Kyle show.
Westons, what kind of scientist are you? I do know of a company that's turning away work right now because they need someone new. It's science-related. Probably not a huge payer, but would probably be great first job experience given the current climate, and climate change. PM me and we can maybe chat. I'm not a recruitment bod by the way, but someone watching one of his best mates work far too hard at the moment!
I know several. One mate did a degree in something to do with medicine (not a doctor) but couldn't get work in this for 2 years. Another mate of mine did an HND in graphic design and isn't happy with his salary (think around £17,000). I know several others that went to Uni or similar to further educate themselves and all are earning less than £20,000 a year.
A few years ago (not sure what is now) the national average salary for graduates was £18,000, compared to about £8-12k for School leavers. Plus you can start a few steps higher up the ladder and will normally find it easier to move up the ladder quicker (if that's what you want to do).
I think some people see degrees as a free ticket to a high paid job, if you look at it like I did and see it as a way to make progression easier and start with a slightly better salary it is more realistic.
Greybeard 12-08-2006, 17:26 I think some people see degrees as a free ticket to a high paid job, if you look at it like I did and see it as a way to make progression easier and start with a slightly better salary it is more realistic.
Hardly a 'free' ticket. I'm sure though that many parents convince their kids they won't be going anywhere without a degree, and many of these kids mistakenly believe the debt they accrue paying for their degree will be easy to clear because they will be starting their careers a few rungs up the ladder.
The might still be true in the public sector but is generally not so with private employers.
imroberts 12-08-2006, 20:17 Yes. I have been looking round in case my contract isnt renewed next year and there seems to be very little in the way of science jobs in this country. I may well be forced abroad just to find a job :(
Or will have to change career to IT or finance which I dont want to do, but there may be no choice.
Got a Computer Science degree from York (second in the country for the subject, sixth in the country overall), the best A-levels I know, very good GCSEs, even have some experience in the field... and I've been unemployed since I finished university. Applied for about 30 jobs a week on average
absynthfairy 13-08-2006, 12:28 Westons, you have my sympathy, it must be very disheartening. Don't panic, however, and succumb to going into the teaching profession.
This post made me smile somewhat ruefully....I graduated with a degree in Theology in 2000 from Birmingham University. I'd worked in retail (saturday jobs and the like) since I was 17 so I took a "graduate" position at the carphone warehouse - £8k basic + comission - I used to get about 1k a month after tax. After 2 years decided I wasn't enjoying it anymore so went into recruitment - after 6 months I knew i HATED that and crawled back to carphone warehouse with my tail between my legs - got a job as assistant manager but knew deep down it wasn't for me.... thoughts turned to my up until now utterly pointless degree and yep, you guessed it trained to be a teacher...
I did the graduate teacher training programme - got paid 17K to do so and whilst I wouldn't say I loved my job it has it's moments. In my 4 year career I have already been promoted to head of department and will be on 29k in september, and at this time of year when I wrinkle my brow and try to think of something I could do that would mean I didn't have to go back in september I suddenly realise no other job is going to pay me as much money with the work experience I have had - all be it I haven't had a time without a job of some sort in 10 years.
It's all very depressing and if I could have my time again I would tell my parents that a theology degree (which i hated) wouldn't necessarily be the "sensible option" and that I WAS going to london to study musical theatre.
The last open day at Hallam Uni looked like an audition run for the Jeremy Kyle show.
LOL!!!! :hihi:
Could drive yourself mad by thinking down the 'i wish i was 17 again' road, but I do know what you mean absynthfairy. Deep down I think an awful lot of people day dream about a life on stage / screen. Ain't real life dull?
reditiger 14-08-2006, 14:39 I graduated with a 2:1 in english from Liverpool University in 2002. I wouldnt do this degree again if i had the chance as it hasnt been at all useful in helping me to get a well paid job, i would definately do something more vocational
curlycurlz 15-08-2006, 09:39 ive just graduated with a 2.1 in sport and exercise science from hallam and im hopeing that the volunteering and work ive done at a leisure club will help get me a decent job somewhere in sheffield this year!
i think that the universities are just getting as many students in and its almost like a conveyor belt where the students go in and out without the lecturers caring very much at all! when we got assignments they were often given last minute around other big assignments (because most lecturers didnt have a clue what the other lecturers of different modules were doing!) and often students were unsure what we had to do! also if we were unsure we were invited to talk to come and see the lecturer, but then it was clear that when you got there they had little interest in your work and couldnt wait to get rid of u!
by the end of the 3 years id had enough of the course, i could have learnt the course from home and got more from it! i dont regret going though as i wouldnt have met the great people i have or been involved in so many different sports and actvities!
Ive recently graduated with a first class science degree from sheffield yet cant get a job anywhere, well not one over about 6 pounds an hour.
Im not the only one, quite a few people i graduated with still havnt found jobs.
Firstly, is anyone having this difficulty finding a job in Sheffield with a good degree, and secondly, is there anyone out there who is willing to take on a hard working, enthusiastic scientist?!
Dont understand these people who want to live on benefits, what is the point?!
Frustrated.
What degree did you get?
Has anyone else noticed how 'Westons' hasn't replied to anyone in 8 pages and doesn't seem to be taking a blind bit of notice of the thread - I think therein lies the problem.
The most important thing is to supplement your degree with pratical experience, your degree will start to pay off after a few years in a job (you should start to move up the ladder quicker) but to start with you need to start at the bottom.
Keep looking start in a company that you want to work for in the long term and then try and move up within the company.
Good luck!! To all you graduated students
Ive recently graduated with a first class science degree from sheffield yet cant get a job anywhere, well not one over about 6 pounds an hour.
I'm not trying to be rude, so please don't take offence at this massive generalisation, but aren't people who get firsts a bit too 'academic' and therefore completely lacking in common sense?
What was the degree in?
[Crap - i've already posted to this...wonder if he's got a job yet?]
Ive recently graduated with a first class science degree from sheffield yet cant get a job anywhere, well not one over about 6 pounds an hour.
Im not the only one, quite a few people i graduated with still havnt found jobs.
Firstly, is anyone having this difficulty finding a job in Sheffield with a good degree, and secondly, is there anyone out there who is willing to take on a hard working, enthusiastic scientist?!
Dont understand these people who want to live on benefits, what is the point?!
Frustrated.
Well you could get a job as a fibreglass laminator which can pay very well i was on a great wage for the 2 years that i was doing it as well.
What made me laugh was i was earning more than some of my mates who had loads of qualifications.:hihi:
What also made me laugh some of the people who worked at the place i worked had qualifications coming out of there ears so to speak, yet they could not do as good a job as i could qualifications mean sod all in most jobs especially as a fibreglass laminator.
Blade1983 28-09-2006, 07:48 Well you could get a job as a fibreglass laminator which can pay very well i was on a great wage for the 2 years that i was doing it as well.
What made me laugh was i was earning more than some of my mates who had loads of qualifications.:hihi:
What also made me laugh some of the people who worked at the place i worked had qualifications coming out of there ears so to speak, yet they could not do as good a job as i could qualifications mean sod all in most jobs especially as a fibreglass laminator.
give it 10 years and Fibreglass will be the new Asbestos.... mark my words!
curlycurlz 30-09-2006, 16:45 its a bit unfair to say that all those who got firsts are too academic! The majority will have worked hard and got the most out of their degrees. Fair enough some might not have had lives at uni but many will have juggled uni, part-time work and their social lives. It is possible to do them all, depends on how important your uni work is to you!
I can honestly say i made the most of uni, worked alot outside and did voluntary work while coming out with a respectful 2:1. However i dont feel i was prepared enough for how hard it is to find jobs after graduating, and feel the need for unis to get students to enrol outweights the importance of provided good service when the students are actually at uni.
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