Sorry to start another thread! Hehe!

Did anyone see the (appallingly abruptly ended, i.e. unfinished sentence, no full stop...) article in the Star about those idiotic kids that hang around in Meersbrook/Heeley (near Steve's Convenience's at the bottom of Meersbrook Park mostly)? I don't know if this affects any of you, but they hurl abuse, among other things, and threaten you if you won't buy them fags etc. The shop owners are worried about having to close because they are losing so much business.

I get even more flak because they recognise me from last year (I'm only a year or two older than them) at school. What exaceterly can be done about situations like this?

Zero tolerance policing.

Get a riot van down there, lock em all up for the night... couple of weeks without their warm beds and they'll think again about messing about near the shops...

Originally posted by RPG
Zero tolerance policing.

Get a riot van down there, lock em all up for the night... couple of weeks without their warm beds and they'll think again about messing about near the shops...
Gotta agree with RPG on this one!

ooh that would be sweet!

I know there might be a lot of people that think it's just an un justified prejudice against these kids, but they spent 3 or 4 years terrorising kids in the area and at school, they really are just horrible! One of my friends went into said corner shop, and on exiting was punched in the face by a girl from the group, because she decided my friend was a 'Goth' (or 'Goffikal').

Imagine trying to walk down a school corridor and a line of them on either side pushing you into the other side, then into the other side, then back again, etc, for about 6 or 7 metres. Not targetted bullying...they just did it to smaller people (like me! lol). They're just....intimidating to locals.

Originally posted by RPG
Zero tolerance policing.

Get a riot van down there, lock em all up for the night... couple of weeks without their warm beds and they'll think again about messing about near the shops...

I'm also inclined to agree too. Apparently we've had some problem with this type of thing down near the chip shop at the bottom of Wincobank to the extreme that the man in the chip shop had to abandon his shop for fear of what might happen.

It's really not on when people can't earn an honest living for this type of thing or even just go about their normal life. I can't help but wonder if it wouldn't also be an idea to lock up their parents because the apathy has to start somewhere. I don't know about the rest of you but if you challenge the parents (when you know who they are) you get the same type of behaviour from them. Fruit not falling far from the tree comes to mind!

Can't the shopkeepers put in a legitimate complaint to the police if they are causing an obstruction and causing them to lose business? Just a thought, I don't know that for sure.

I know they'll only go somewhere else but it's about time this yob problem was taken care of, IMO.

Other than that, what RPG said.:D

Sigh...I don't think there's any laws over them losing business...?

Apparently (According to 'S8' magazine), the police ahve been 'involved' whatever that means.

Originally posted by RPG
Zero tolerance policing.

Get a riot van down there, lock em all up for the night... couple of weeks without their warm beds and they'll think again about messing about near the shops...

uv hit the nail right on the head there, I am also getting sick of people like that, iv been threated with screw drivers by ppl demanding money. lucky some m8s came and helped me out

Originally posted by RPG
Zero tolerance policing.

Get a riot van down there, lock em all up for the night... couple of weeks without their warm beds and they'll think again about messing about near the shops...

off with the goolies

never fails

:)

Having experience gangs of idiots hanging around outside a pub I used to have and driving the customers away, the shop owners have my full sympathy. The police couldn't do anything, some cared, some didn't. The police didn't have the power or resources to move the kids away and keep them away. We eventually closed because of this.

Originally posted by wendy
I can't help but wonder if it wouldn't also be an idea to lock up their parents because the apathy has to start somewhere. I don't know about the rest of you but if you challenge the parents (when you know who they are) you get the same type of behaviour from them. Fruit not falling far from the tree comes to mind!

What crime exactly are you planning on locking them up for?

Originally posted by fnkysknky
What crime exactly are you planning on locking them up for?

good point...why not try something along the lines of what they are doing for parents who fail to send their kids to school

OR

adopt the system they use in America wher parents can sign a document declaring the kids "out of Control" and pack em off to boot camps,seems to work there

you ought to try the shops on buchanan road,theres one that looks like a bank inside,glass screens to protect the staff,muggings happen in broad daylight on those shops...lethal

I too live in Meersbrook and the problem with the kids has become out of control. The shop has now installed cctv cameras to try and discourage the kids from standing outside the shop.
Thing is i live on a quiet dead end road very close to the shop and now with the cameras outside the shop the kids have all taken up residence outside my house. 2 weeks ago i had a wheelie bin thrown at my car which put a huge dent in it.
i know a few of these kids parents and they behave worse than the kids, most of them don't give a damn about their kids - why else would 11 year old girls be out on the street at 11.30pm ?
i know i wasn't allowed out on my own at that time at 15 nevermind 11 and that was only a few years ago!

Could be another topic this,but what annoys me no end is when you go on the shops and theres these 16 or 17 year old girls,with fag in one hand,bottle of diamond white in the other and a poor little toddler sat crying in the pram,while some local wide boy sits on his Morphy richards 50cc impressing the pants of them. or am i just getting old

Originally posted by fnkysknky
What crime exactly are you planning on locking them up for?

It more about making them responsible for what their kids are doing to others. We wouldn't have got away with and my kids certainly don't get away with it. My kids have never done that and if I was ever informed that they had I would have made sure that something was done and not just continued the abuse. I seem to recall they were talking about introducing something into Law that makes this the case.

Originally posted by Memphis Bell

i know a few of these kids parents and they behave worse than the kids, most of them don't give a damn about their kids - why else would 11 year old girls be out on the street at 11.30pm ?
i know i wasn't allowed out on my own at that time at 15 nevermind 11 and that was only a few years ago!

This is exactly what I meant, and then they wonder where it comes from:loopy: As I said before - the fruit doesn't fall far from the tree:(

Sorry about the double posting I don't know to get 2 quotes into one posting, perhaps someone could pm me on how

Originally posted by wendy
It more about making them responsible for what their kids are doing to others. We wouldn't have got away with and my kids certainly don't get away with it. My kids have never done that and if I was ever informed that they had I would have made sure that something was done and not just continued the abuse. I seem to recall they were talking about introducing something into Law that makes this the case.

The point I'm making is you can't lock someone up when they haven't broken a law - also where are we going to put them being that for the last month the prisons have been within a few hundred inmates of the limit.

Originally posted by fnkysknky
The point I'm making is you can't lock someone up when they haven't broken a law - also where are we going to put them being that for the last month the prisons have been within a few hundred inmates of the limit.

I can see your point I was just expressing other people point of view as I have heard this said before. Besides it makes for a good discussion doesn't it?:D

It's time for masked vigilantes to sort em out (but not the sort that think that a Paediatrician is a Paedophile) The little scumbags wouldn't get away with it on either side of the sectarian divide in Belfast

It sounds to me that they are causing an obstruction which is an arrestable offence
They are loitering with intent?
They are guilty of being a public nuisance?threatening behaviour? disturbing the peace?

The Old Bill could do something if the will was there but it isn't, partly because this behaviour is so common.

Strange that in a spurious War on Terror, we invade another country with thousands of troops, spending billions of pounds in the process, in an act illegal under International Law, when the
real Terror is that experienced by many people in this country in that they daren't walk down the street, go to the shops, pub, chip shop etc. There's no will to do anything about it though.
Perhaps two squaddies armed with rifles and plastic bullets guarding the CO-OP at Tinsley would have been enough to stop it being closed by local mobs.
Put troops on the streets of Sheffield not Basra.

Has anyone been watching "Brat Camp" on Channel 4?

It's basically a group of kids who are, according to their parents, totally out of control.

The kids have been sent to a sort of boot camp in Utah, USA.

The tantrums and tears of one boy who had to remove his tongue stud was hilarious.

Perhaps kids would benefit from a boot camp?

I will be watching this prgramme in the next coming weeks to see if there is actually any change in the kids behaviour. According to the people who run the camp 85% of the kids that leave are "reformed".

Been having similar problems at our place on the Manor. The local "community PC" has seen the videos, talked to the kids in school, even had them down apologising (1 of them did anyhow) but as soon as he's gone, they're back to usual.

Last weekend they were down climbing all over the roof throwing debris down on the customers, rang 999, took 20minuted for the coppers to get there, and the remaining few just scarpered when they saw the police car. They caused damage to the value of £1600.

The coppers grabbed some but let them go, as there was no proof it was them! A complete waste of time expecting the police to do anything.

People here don't bother to call the police anymore as it's just pointless.

The kids are that blase that they will smash up the phone box, bus stop or even the bus and will then stand and wait for the police, they don't even run away anymore!

Originally posted by RPG
Zero tolerance policing.

Get a riot van down there, lock em all up for the night... couple of weeks without their warm beds and they'll think again about messing about near the shops...

Oh no ... you can't do that ... poor little johnny's ma & pa would prob sue the police ...

Originally posted by steelblade
People here don't bother to call the police anymore as it's just pointless.

The kids are that blase that they will smash up the phone box, bus stop or even the bus and will then stand and wait for the police, they don't even run away anymore!

It was like that when I was a kid, nothing changes - maybe they're doing it in areas they weren't before but believe me it's hardly a new problem.

Originally posted by Memphis Bell
I too live in Meersbrook and the problem with the kids has become out of control. The shop has now installed cctv cameras to try and discourage the kids from standing outside the shop.
Thing is i live on a quiet dead end road very close to the shop and now with the cameras outside the shop the kids have all taken up residence outside my house. 2 weeks ago i had a wheelie bin thrown at my car which put a huge dent in it.
i know a few of these kids parents and they behave worse than the kids, most of them don't give a damn about their kids - why else would 11 year old girls be out on the street at 11.30pm ?
i know i wasn't allowed out on my own at that time at 15 nevermind 11 and that was only a few years ago!

I think we live on the same street!

It's very probable!
Hasn't been much activity recently has there?
I think the demonstration outside the shop seems to have done the trick for the time being!
We all need to keep it up though
the kids will come back at some point.
I am happy for the moment though.
Thing is they're probably terrorising some other poor bugger now.

Originally posted by fnkysknky
It was like that when I was a kid, nothing changes - maybe they're doing it in areas they weren't before but believe me it's hardly a new problem.

This is very true, but it does seem to be more common / more kids doing it now.

There is no way anyone is going to stop them, the best you can hope for is that they go and do it somewhere else.

Grab the parents, put them in the stocks, let the the local populace let them now exactly how they feel, rotten eggs, fruit, bricks, small stones or pebbles.
and then after that watch the miraculous change in their kids, thats if they still want to live in the area!

Name and shame - they might think twice if their name and picture are displayed on the 'Known Local Thugs' board

Originally posted by Memphis Bell
It's very probable!
Hasn't been much activity recently has there?
I think the demonstration outside the shop seems to have done the trick for the time being!
We all need to keep it up though
the kids will come back at some point.
I am happy for the moment though.
Thing is they're probably terrorising some other poor bugger now.

My main problem is the fact that they (vaguely) know me, certainly they know my name. Also I'm an easy target being quite small (!) a girl, and the same age as them. Surprising really as I can get pretty agressive sometimes (not in a violent way, but I have already had to make two serious apologies to peopl this week alone!). I know everyone in the area is sick and tired of it. I'm not sure if the school's done anything, the new head doesn't have good 'reviews' if you know what I mean...

Originally posted by dinp
Name and shame - they might think twice if their name and picture are displayed on the 'Known Local Thugs' board

Good idea, but you'd get some idiot saying it's in breach of their human rights. Or something.

Originally posted by noseyrosie
Good idea, but you'd get some idiot saying it's in breach of their human rights. Or something.

True you would. Shame they can't bring back the cane in schools. I'm too young to have had it, but I didnt step out of line. Legislation et all can't compare to physical pain!!

hmm, iv noticed nearly all these kids parents claim benefits, so i think if every time there kids were reported, got low grades in school, were arrested etc, their benfits drop....they will soon change how they act.

Originally posted by Ned Ludd
Put troops on the streets of Sheffield not Basra.
Ha ha, jesus christ, you people are pathetic! A group of kids around a shop in Meersbrook and calls for locking them up, troops, zero-tolerance, how their parents are all on benefits, blah blah blah...

Get a life :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Mike
Ha ha, jesus christ, you people are pathetic! A group of kids around a shop in Meersbrook and calls for locking them up, troops, zero-tolerance, how their parents are all on benefits, blah blah blah...

Get a life :rolleyes:

Yeah I was thinking along the same lines to be honest. Stand up for yourself people they're kids ffs.

Yeah it's ok for you to say that but when you live here it is a different matter.
You can't say anything to them, these kids know you can't lay a finger on them. Not saying we should go round hitting kids but now they know it is an empty threat.
A few months ago when somebody "dared" to go out and defend their property the kids buggered off. good yes?
No, the kids were back about half an hour later and put a brick through the window. So no we can't go out and give them a clip round the ear and no we can't even tell the kids to bugger of for fear of reprisals.
These are not just kids.
If these "kids" think are old enough to smoke, take drugs, drink and shag in the park then they are old enough to take the consequences.

Personally I'd pick out the biggest one of them and chin him. Then again I'd probably get arrested for gbh on a minor and whilst I'm banged up they'd be able to rob my house!

There is only one solution!

Originally posted by Memphis Bell
Yeah it's ok for you to say that but when you live here it is a different matter.
You can't say anything to them, these kids know you can't lay a finger on them. Not saying we should go round hitting kids but now they know it is an empty threat.
A few months ago when somebody "dared" to go out and defend their property the kids buggered off. good yes?
No, the kids were back about half an hour later and put a brick through the window. So no we can't go out and give them a clip round the ear and no we can't even tell the kids to bugger of for fear of reprisals.
These are not just kids.
If these "kids" think are old enough to smoke, take drugs, drink and shag in the park then they are old enough to take the consequences.

Hear hear!...although that makes me sound like I should go 'ding DONG' when someone attractive walks past... ;)

Originally posted by Mike
Ha ha, jesus christ, you people are pathetic! A group of kids around a shop in Meersbrook and calls for locking them up, troops, zero-tolerance, how their parents are all on benefits, blah blah blah...

Get a life :rolleyes:

It's not pathetic, it really isn't. I have been followed through dark streets by gangs of kids threatening to 'bang me aht'. As I think I said, my friend was punched in the face as she left the shop, for absolutely no reason apart from her being 'a goff' (i.e. black hair).

My sister was taking our pet ferret for a walk in Meersbrook park (yes, really!) and the kids threatened to bang her aht too. They subsequently set their dog on her and she had to go to hospital for stitches and a tetnus from the dog bite.

Of course I don't think we should send troops in, I think the people who said that were being slightly sarcastic tbh, but something needs to be done - the mere fact that we feel intimdated surely proves that?

But fine, call me pathetic.

Ok, I apologise for my tone being a little harsh, but some of the things people were suggesting were just ridiculously over the top for what isn't exactly a major crimewave.

I used to live on Meersbrook Park Road and I was more concerned by the people who kept trying to kick my door in and steal the wheels from my car, but there we go.

Has anyone suggested to the shop that they install a camera system?

And don't let them know they bother you, or that you're scared of them, it'll only make things worse. Once they know they can't intimidate you, chances are they'll leave you alone.

He has installed a camera outside and watches it all the time. I wonder if he's gathered anough footage by now to justify an antisocial behaviour order.

Originally posted by Mike
Ok, I used to live on Meersbrook Park Road and I was more concerned by the people who kept trying to kick my door in and steal the wheels from my car, but there we go.


Do you not realise that these are probably the same kids that just spend their "days off" hanging around outside the corner shop, ot even maybe the "apprentices".

Once they know they can't intimidate you, chances are they'll leave you alone.


Are you serious! That is just wishful thinking. After working on the Manor for 5yrs + (before that working front of house in clubs / events in and around Sheffield center) anything they say or do is just water off a ducks back to me. But that doesn't mean I take any BS either.

Do you think that has made any difference to what they do! Not one bit. As soon as one lot grow up and move on to "better" things than a bit of vandalism and intimidation, there are twice as many waiting to take their place as "menaces of society".

Originally posted by garrence
He has installed a camera outside and watches it all the time. I wonder if he's gathered anough footage by now to justify an antisocial behaviour order.

Forget it! It's a joke. We have hours and hours of CCTV footage, all of which has been shown to the police. Complete waste of time, and the main problem is, the kids know it.

I dont live in the area, I knew about him watching the cam because a friend on Valley Road phoned up earlier, mentioned the kids and was surprised I knew about it.

So what's the problem with securing ASBOs? Seems like this exactly what they are for? Do the police want to issue one but "don't have the resources" or "not the right evidence" or is it because they're minors or ... ? It's just that the nice "you can trust me" Mr Blair made a big thing about how he wanted police forces to use ASBOs and how everyone would feel safer, so I'm wondering wassup.

I'm thinking that they're all big and hard when they're in a group but individually are screwed up kids. Perhaps someone should follow them to their respective homes to gather intelligence about where they live.

Originally posted by yorkiepudd
Do you not realise that these are probably the same kids that just spend their "days off" hanging around outside the corner shop, ot even maybe the "apprentices".

Maybe - but you can't assume that...the people who tried to burgle me on many occassions were (according to the police) not locals, but a gang who just happened to be targetting the area at that time.

Originally posted by yorkiepudd
Are you serious! That is just wishful thinking....
I was talking about personal intimidation. If they know they can get at you then they will. If they don't then often they'll pick an easier target. This is Meersbrook, not the Manor - I imagine things are much harder up the manor, though I've never lived there so don't know for sure.

Im about to move to the meersbrook park area opposite the park on meersbrook park rd is this what the areas like all the time?

If you can get their names I can get addresses.

Personally I'd get some blokes not big kids to go down and threaten them. 4 Well built men telling them if they come round there again and theyll break their legs normally does the trick. As long as you outnumber and size them when you scare em you'll have no worries.

The afore mentioned bootcamp idea is certainly worth a go I reckon - if TV crews and camp organisers targetted areas where these no-hopers congregate I'd bet they'd all be up for it in front of each other and it would be interesting to watch them crack and come to their senses. Otherwise I reckon national service should be compulsory for repeat offenders - I'm sure they'd all grow up pretty quickly then.

It's no wonder our communities are all living in fear today, especially since kids seem to have more rights than anyone else today (maybe that's an exaggeration but it's how I feel). My own street sometimes looks like Beirut when the children have finished playing but if I should complain about the mess to these children on my own front then the parents march immediately to my doorstep and I'm called, 'a snob', and asked if I never had a childhood!!!!!!!! I've also been threatened with having my face smashed in so you can understand why her daughter pleases herself and does whatever she likes - she knows she has an ally in her mother.
If I did wrong I got a clout and learnt about the boundaries of society - don't swear, spit or litter in public etc. Respect the authorities including teachers and your elders. Knowing how some poor people live in fear night after night, cowering in the darkness for fear of attracting the attention of yobs..........it makes you wonder how it'll be in a few years time if it's not stopped now. It just shouldn't be like this.

Originally posted by tiffy
It's no wonder our communities are all living in fear today, especially since kids seem to have more rights than anyone else today
Spare us the drama please - our communties aren't all "living in fear".

Originally posted by Blue Shock
Im about to move to the meersbrook park area opposite the park on meersbrook park rd is this what the areas like all the time?
Don't worry about it - Meersbrook is just fine.

Did I say 'all' sir?

I did say it - hush my mouth

Of course not all communities aren't living in fear but there are a fair few.

Originally posted by Mike
Don't worry about it - Meersbrook is just fine.

Meersbrook Park Road is really nice, because your house will look out onto the park, I used to live on Brook Road. The kids don't go up on to that road much anyway, but it really depends where on the road (anyway if you live nearer Chesterfield road than not, your nearest corner shop will be a different one!) Meersbrook's got a nice community spirit, and, in my opinion anyway, it's an unusual mixture of class, ethnicity and wealth that doesn't happen a lot. There's many many ex-hippies too...but don't let that put you off! ;)

Who puts those stupid anoyung quotes on these forum pages?

Originally posted by prioryx
Who puts those stupid anoyung quotes on these forum pages?

:confused: :confused: :confused:

what do you mean?

Sending kids to bootcamp whatever next.....

Originally posted by fnkysknky
Sending kids to bootcamp whatever next.....

Public floggings for recurring offenders. :lol:

Its a sad day when I ever thought I'd say this but,
newter them I say.End the Scrubber bloodline .
Get them spade like Dogs.
Thing is when they leave school,(though I've seen no evidence they attend) what are they gonna do then.
Live of the working mans taxes.
Sick of it.
Feel sorry for ther dibble as well.They have no power.

Got to say though what the hell are the parents thinking.
I've seen a 20 odd year old asian lad out there asking for sexual favours from a group of youngs lasses ( no older than 10 or 11) in return for weed.

In fact I'm not gonna mention it any more it just winds me up.

Passed here the other night and saw one of those riot vans with cameras on my bf was braught up on rushdale rd and is alway making it out to be brill round thr whats going on!!!! these stupid youths need to learn a lesson or 2 !

Thing is other than these scrote its a great area.
I've loved every minute of living there but when a time comes when you have to escort your missus to the shop because she's too intimidated to go on her own then somethings wrong with the world.

Anyone know where I can buy and electric cattle prod.

As an often tired working mother, what sort of place is meersbrook when you can't send your teenage daughters out to buy a pint of milk from the local (valley rd) shop because they are too intimidated by the yobs outside?
No, really I think it is a great place to live in many ways as noseyrosie has recently pointed out, but as a newcomer to this site I would agree that the shop problem on Valley Rd is a big issue in the area.


>>>>>>>>>Can I just Point out that the above was written by my mum when she logged in as me. I'm not a teenage mum! Anyway she did it again under her username below.

As an often tired working mother, what sort of place is meersbrook when you can't send your teenage daughters out to buy a pint of milk from the local (valley rd) shop because they are too intimidated by the yobs outside?
No, really I think it is a great place to live in many ways as noseyrosie has recently pointed out, but as a newcomer to this site I would agree that the shop problem on Valley Rd is a big issue in the area.


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The kids where I live have gone a right rampage this week.

As I went into the foyer yesterday morning there were police and council officials there. The kids have spray painted all of the cameras, the intercom, the walls, the stairs, the floors. They have wiped s**t all over the phone box, peed on people's front doors, on the carpets outside their homes, destroyed all the flowers, peed in the soil, ripped all the covers on the the seating area and broken the fire doors.

The police have arrested two kids who can't be charged because they are under age. :confused:

But I am sure they are just bored and if they had a somewhere to go they wouldn't have done this! Oh I forgot they've just had a brand new shelter and seating area put up for them which they haven't even bothererd with!!