i dont think paedophiles can be cured & i dont think they should be slipped back in to the community,where people have no idea
what they are. (& the people who decide to allow them out
after counsling etc, would they feel easy to leave them alone
with their kids i doubt it) . so should paedo,s be moved back in to unsuspecting communities ? your views

anyone who messes with kids all the same punishment,
executed,
no second chances,you do it once that the punishment,,,,

Originally posted by pk014b7161
i dont think paedophiles can be cured & i dont think they should be slipped back in to the community,where people have no idea
what they are. (& the people who decide to allow them out
after counsling etc, would they feel easy to leave them alone
with their kids i doubt it) . so should paedo,s be moved back in to unsuspecting communities ? your views

what do you suggest as an alternative?

Originally posted by julie23
anyone who messes with kids all the same punishment,
executed,
no second chances,you do it once that the punishment,,,,

and what should we do when the first mistake is made, execute you in recompense?

Originally posted by Cyclone
what do you suggest as an alternative?

well i dont suggest letting them loose on a community so they can strike again. which they do all to often .i suggest build a village place the paedos and all those who think they deserve a second chance, and they can all live together side by side

Originally posted by Cyclone
and what should we do when the first mistake is made, execute you in recompense? why execute pk ?he like the rest of us is reliant on the proffessionals,the ones who attend court as expert witnesses,so when the guilty are allowed back out in to decent peoples way of life then re offend i believe that it is these same experts that should be held to account, it wasnt so long ago these self proclaimed experts helped the court to give a woman a life sentence for infanticide,only later to be proved wrong,the same with the birmingham bombers,convicted on an experts evidence then after many years inside released.

the whole system is wrong, science and technology are more reliable than the expert witness, the judicial system needs reforfming,, the law is at times fallable

Originally posted by pk014b7161
i dont think paedophiles can be cured

Why not? Do you have any evidence for this or is it just personal opinon?

i dont think they should be slipped back in to the community,where people have no idea what they are.

What's the alternative? this (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/901723.stm)?

These is some (http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn2943) evidence that paedophilia is a mental illness should it not be treated as such?

Them paediatricians should be locked up!

[QUOTE]Originally posted by evildrneil
[B]Why not? Do you have any evidence for this or is it just personal opinon?

well how many re offend? and if they can be cured why didnt gg spend some of his money on a cure & then he wouldnt have put those kids through what he has

Originally posted by pk014b7161

well how many re offend? and if they can be cured why didnt gg spend some of his money on a cure & then he wouldnt have put those kids through what he has [/B]

and

so they can strike again. which they do all to often

which is it, do you know or don't you know?

The figures are less than 1 in 10 reoffend within 6 years of being released. And indeed smoething like 80 - 90 % of offenders are family members or friends in the first place.

I didn't say pk should be executed depoix. That reply was directed at julie since she's advocating killing people. Experts get things wrong and forensics isn't infallible. You can release someone who's been locked up, you can't resurrect them though if they're dead.

the tv news reports say the man arrested was in ahalf way house for convicts, it doesnt say as yet what he was in prison for,if by chance it was for child rape then it proves that he can not be re trained etc, if it was for some un related crime then it goes to show that he had no intention of rehabilitation but used the system of early release to a hostel to get a shorter time in prison

what im on about is convicted & freed paedos have re offended
not might do, have done simple as that. so why take a chance on leaving them free to come & go. & like i said earlier would any of these experts who free these paedophiles confident they wont strike again leave them alone with their young children

If you execute all offender then whats to stop them killing the child to keep them quiet? They've more chance of getting away with it then. There would be a hell of a lot less children found alive like the children recently.

allright we dont execute paedophiles. my post was should they be slipped back in to unsuspecting communities yes or no

Originally posted by pk014b7161
allright we dont execute paedophiles. my post was should they be slipped back in to unsuspecting communities yes or no

What do you suggest they do? If they let everyone know then they may well be murdered. The government cannot possibly condone that. Or innocent people could be murdered through gossip and rumour started by people with grudges.

I doubt there is an acceptable solution available at this time. If they lock them up more kids may well be killed to cover up their tracks as the punishment is the same.

can they be cured? do they re-offend ? read tonights headlines in the star

Originally posted by pk014b7161
can they be cured? do they re-offend ? read tonights headlines in the star

No thanks I'd rather read facts than journalists' sensationalism. Have you any facts available that you have based your opinions on?

Originally posted by pk014b7161
can they be cured? do they re-offend ? read tonights headlines in the star

According to HO figures the reoffending rate is 16% so it looks like for the majority of cases the answer to your questions are yes they can and no they don't...

The bloke on the front of the star did - perhaps he was a random exception to the rule.

I thought it was generally accepted that most paedophiles would re-offend...and often get caught because of prompt police intelligence.

I can only going on what the Home Office reports but that certainly seems to indicate relatively low (but still not good enough in this case) reoffending rates.

the home office are hardly impartial are they?

they're not going to say - oh our policies are failing (yet again) are they ;)

There probably the most impartial we can hope to get - certainly immesurably more so than the Star headlines!

Originally posted by pk014b7161
can they be cured? do they re-offend ? read tonights headlines in the star

I can't sit here and let pk stand the flak from the soft-hearted views of his oppressors on this thread!

Look in the Star tonight...... disgraceful behaviour by one of these monsters. I don't care if they are ill, I don't care if they have had an unhappy, misguided childhood etc.

8 years then out on license..... what sort of sane society would allow this...... we should be protesting, all of us, to the rooftops.

How disgusting can the protectors of these people's so-called rights get who would tolerate this situation. Their arguments have failed children, society, even humanity.

We don't want these (God knows what you call them) on our Planet, in our society, and our innocent children to be corrupted by them. I have kept quiet up to now, but if good people don't stand up to the (God knows what you call them) "evil beings" I suppose as the best I can come up with, and their stupid apologists, humanity is grossly diminished.

Good for you pk..... you can rest easy in your bed tonight. The smug supporters with all their PC views, I hope, won't.

What flak? And no-one 'wants' them in society but knee jerk reactions to complex situations rarely come up with any reasonable and rational results...

saddest part of it is his defence barrister asking for a reduced jail term as his client was claustrophobic and would suffer in confinement...

did he expect the judge to give him a suspended sentence so to not upset him?

Originally posted by Internetowl
the home office are hardly impartial are they?

they're not going to say - oh our policies are failing (yet again) are they ;)
But they're not going to make up the figures and hide the true ones either. Can you imagine them doing that, when so many different bodies contribute to establishing these sorts of statistics?

soft hearted oppressors, where did you lift that line from. Send it back anyway, it's attrocious.

This post nicely illustrates the points made on the thread about PC.
If you post anything other than a rant about 'killing the animals' then someone brands you PC.

WE AREN'T BEING PC. We are being rational and balanced. You however are being irrational and emotional.

Originally posted by shoeshine
I can't sit here and let pk stand the flak from the soft-hearted views of his oppressors on this thread!

Look in the Star tonight...... disgraceful behaviour by one of these monsters. I don't care if they are ill, I don't care if they have had an unhappy, misguided childhood etc.

8 years then out on license..... what sort of sane society would allow this...... we should be protesting, all of us, to the rooftops.

How disgusting can the protectors of these people's so-called rights get who would tolerate this situation. Their arguments have failed children, society, even humanity.

We don't want these (God knows what you call them) on our Planet, in our society, and our innocent children to be corrupted by them. I have kept quiet up to now, but if good people don't stand up to the (God knows what you call them) "evil beings" I suppose as the best I can come up with, and their stupid apologists, humanity is grossly diminished.

Good for you pk..... you can rest easy in your bed tonight. The smug supporters with all their PC views, I hope, won't.

Originally posted by evildrneil
What flak? And no-one 'wants' them in society but knee jerk reactions to complex situations rarely come up with any reasonable and rational results...

My knee never jerked:confused:

These kids of ours, or in my case Grandkids, are at threat because of woolly minded individuals (no names mentioned) who protect the rights of the perpetrators and not our kids.

If we are to eradicate this evil in our midst, it is no good ever letting them out of incarceration after having been caught.

Similarly, let them live in a normal prison society, whilst incarcerated, instead of separating them out to be kept with similar offenders in a cocoon. The prison society will sort them out, the Prison Guards can collect the pieces later

:rant:

I think Paedophiles should be locked up FOREVER. I wouldnt say a death sentence, I wouldnt give that to anyone, but I dont think they should be allowed back out under any circumstances.

Originally posted by shoeshine
I can't sit here and let pk stand the flak from the soft-hearted views of his oppressors on this thread!.....
Sorry to not quote your entire post, but it would take up too much room and would be just be reiterating what you said above. I'm sorry, but your post reads like a Daily Mail editorial.

I'm not soft-hearted when it comes to paedophiles, or any other pond life who abuse children, animals or indeed other human beings in general, but I'm also not suppressing anyone's views!

We obviously have a right to say whatever we want, within the obvious laws etc, but I think that rhetoric about boiling people in oil or whatever else has been said achieves absolutely nothing.

I don't believe anyone here is apologising for them; they're simply backing up their statements with facts, not journalists headlines. My opinion is that if the death penalty were to to be reintroduced, innocent people would be sentenced to death. I also believe that it is a minority of paedophiles who reoffend; and yes, I agree, even one reoffending is too many.

However, I hate this trial by newspaper, the naming and shaming culture, and rabid pronouncements which achieve precisely nothing.

No, I don't have any solutions. I suspect that there is no one on this forum who is qualified to comment about how convicted paedophiles should or shouldn't be treated.

What I really do object to though is being called a stupid apologist, or any suggestion that I might not be a good person, because I don't happen to share the views of some others on this forum.

Originally posted by shoeshine
My knee never jerked:confused:

These kids of ours, or in my case Grandkids, are at threat because of woolly minded individuals (no names mentioned) who protect the rights of the perpetrators and not our kids.

If we are to eradicate this evil in our midst, it is no good ever letting them out of incarceration after having been caught.

Similarly, let them live in a normal prison society, whilst incarcerated, instead of separating them out to be kept with similar offenders in a cocoon. The prison society will sort them out, the Prison Guards can collect the pieces later

:rant:

Kneejerk:

1. Easily predictable; automatic: “quick, easy laughs and knee-jerk responses” (New York).
2. Reacting spontaneously in the expected manner: a knee-jerk cynic.

Originally posted by Cyclone
soft hearted oppressors, where did you lift that line from. Send it back anyway, it's attrocious.

WE AREN'T BEING PC. We are being rational and balanced. You however are being irrational and emotional.

Send it back where?
(By the way the word atrocious is the way I spell it here).

You mentioned PC... I didn't! Do you subliminally think you might be?

Yes I aaaammmm emotional... and the way things are going in this so called "civilised society", I am entitled to the privilege.

Irrational NO!:)

Originally posted by shoeshine
Send it back where?
(By the way the word atrocious is the way I spell it here).

You mentioned PC... I didn't! Do you subliminally think you might be?

Yes I aaaammmm emotional... and the way things are going in this so called "civilised society", I am entitled to the privilege.

Irrational NO!:)
But you did mention PC:
Originally posted by shoeshine
Good for you pk..... you can rest easy in your bed tonight. The smug supporters with all their PC views, I hope, won't.
Besides, it's nothing to do with PC views. It's about being rational. Yes, the subject is emotional, and you've every right to be angry at the pondlife who abuse children, but don't accuse those who don't agree with some of your views of being "wooly-minded". I'm not wooly-minded, nor am I a stupid apologist. I just don't happen to agree with some of the views expressed on here.

Originally posted by ppn_2204
But you did mention PC:

Besides, it's nothing to do with PC views. It's about being rational. Yes, the subject is emotional, and you've every right to be angry at the pondlife who abuse children, but don't accuse those who don't agree with some of your views of being "wooly-minded". I'm not wooly-minded, nor am I a stupid apologist. I just don't happen to agree with some of the views expressed on here.

I apologise for my error re PC... but for nothing else....by the way I like you cos you love cats:)

Originally posted by shoeshine
I apologise for my error re PC... but for nothing else....by the way I like you cos you love cats:)
I do distinguish between the person and his or her views too (in most cases) ;) .

However, I still say you're wrong about the wooly-mindedness, and the stupid apologist quotes.

Because you like cats too, you don't go on my ignore list. But you are walking on very thin ice :) .

Originally posted by ppn_2204
I do distinguish between the person and his or her views too (in most cases) ;) .

However, I still say you're wrong about the wooly-mindedness, and the stupid apologist quotes.

Because you like cats too, you don't go on my ignore list. But you are walking on very thin ice :) .

If you look back to my posts on this thread...you will not see any reference to my describing opposing views as being PC.

I may be wrong but point out the offending bit to me please

Can we really have a rational debate on the issue? The automatic reaction is to call for one of three things to happen:

Kill the paedophile
Lock him up forever ('cos it is almost exclusively a male crime)
Torture said paedophile

There are those who call for compassion, once the paedophile has served his sentence, treat him as normal member of society. We know this doesn't always work, as with any crime there are recidivists.

However, if we do go for one of the 3 options above then we will have the situation, as already hypothesised, that paedophiles will kill their victims rather than face being caught.

I don't know the answer, but I would hope that we could explore some options without recourse to the usual insults about liberals versus hang 'em and floggers.

Come on, we're a well read lot on Sheffield Forum, we just might be able to come up with reasonable answers.

Originally posted by shoeshine
If you look back to my posts on this thread...you will not see any reference to my describing opposing views as being PC.

I may be wrong but point out the offending bit to me please

Apologies pk...I did! Just double checked

Originally posted by evildrneil
Kneejerk:

1. Easily predictable; automatic: “quick, easy laughs and knee-jerk responses” (New York).
2. Reacting spontaneously in the expected manner: a knee-jerk cynic. You used the term regarding me, not vice versa

I feel rather insulted:surprised

Originally posted by shoeshine
If you look back to my posts on this thread...you will not see any reference to my describing opposing views as being PC.

I may be wrong but point out the offending bit to me please

I'm sorry if you think I've misrepresented you. Who were you talking about when you referred to PK's soft-hearted repressors, the stupid apologists, the smug supporters with their PC views etc?

I presumed you were referring to people in this thread who have expressed views other than the ones expressed by PK (sorry, I can't remember the rest of his username!), julie23 and those who have expressed similar sentiments in the other threads on this forum about paedophiles.

It does seem that anyone who expresses a view other than execute them, or chop off their dangly bits is accused of being a PC looney.

Originally posted by ppn_2204
I'm sorry if you think I've misrepresented you. Who were you talking about when you referred to PK's soft-hearted repressors, the stupid apologists, the smug supporters with their PC views etc?

I presumed you were referring to people in this thread who have expressed views other than the ones expressed by PK (sorry, I can't remember the rest of his username!), julie23 and those who have expressed similar sentiments in the other threads on this forum about paedophiles.

It does seem that anyone who expresses a view other than execute them, or chop off their dangly bits is accused of being a PC looney.

Sorry ppn, my post at 8.11pm was directed at you...not pk..plse refer to that one

It's a good job it's all down in black and grey, because some people seem to have difficulty remembering what they've written.

There should be very little room for emotion in any discussion about legislature. You don't pass laws emotionally, you don't pass sentences emotionally and you don't try people in court emotionally. At least if you're doing it properly.

I can think of some options that are better than either extreme for treatment of these people. But I see little point in iterating them, they won't satisfy the emotional needs of the 'hang em and flog em' brigade and there is no room for rational discussion when that's the case.

As to protecting peoples rights. The rights of all the people involved should be protected with the exception of those rights specifically taken away as part of a punishment.
To act in any other way is to loose whatever moral superiority you claim to have and lower yourself.

Originally posted by shoeshine
Sorry ppn, my post at 8.11pm was directed at you...not pk..plse refer to that one

Two post errors in a row... must be Alzeimers starting:confused:

Originally posted by shoeshine
Two post errors in a row... must be Alzeimers starting:confused:
Don't worry about it :) . It's an emotional subject. I can't type fast enough to keep up with it!

hang them
flog them
wind out their entrails on a stick in front of their eyes
chop them up into little bits
dance on the pieces
gather the bits up
burn the bits
mix the ash with faeces
chuck faeces at their living relatives
go home, job well done.

Originally posted by ppn_2204
Don't worry about it :) . It's an emotional subject. I can't type fast enough to keep up with it!

Same here.

Originally posted by Phanerothyme

hang them
flog them
wind out their entrails on a stick in front of their eyes
chop them up into little bits
dance on the pieces
gather the bits up
burn the bits
mix the ash with faeces
chuck faeces at their living relatives
go home, job well done.

I Knew you were well educated... you can spell faeces:clap:

Originally posted by ppn_2204
But they're not going to make up the figures and hide the true ones either. Can you imagine them doing that, when so many different bodies contribute to establishing these sorts of statistics? COME ON .....WAKE UP
thats what the government do best......juggle figures and make suit

unemployment
illegal imigrants
dead military personel
black / white ratio to court appearances
w m d 's
voters
to name a few,this government could twist 4 + 4 to equal 11

:gag: :gag: :suspect: :suspect: :suspect: :suspect: :suspect:

Originally posted by depoix
COME ON .....WAKE UP
to name a few,this government could twist 4 + 4 to equal 11

actually it does....

and of course nowadays it's commonly spelled 'feces'.

Originally posted by Phanerothyme
actually it does....

and of course nowadays it's commonly spelled 'feces'.

Nowadays...correct spelling is not taught anyway.... aaaahh bring back Latin:)

Originally posted by depoix
COME ON .....WAKE UP
thats what the government do best......juggle figures and make suit

unemployment
illegal imigrants
dead military personel
black / white ratio to court appearances
w m d 's
voters
to name a few,this government could twist 4 + 4 to equal 11

:gag: :gag: :suspect: :suspect: :suspect: :suspect: :suspect:

There's no need to shout at me, and I'm quite awake, thank you.

I was specifically commenting on the likelihood of the Home Office making up or modifying statistics concerning the reoffending rate of convicted paedophiles. My views on their figures concerning WMDs, dead military personnel et al, will be expressed on the appropriate thread.

Originally posted by Phanerothyme
...and of course nowadays it's commonly spelled 'feces'.
Yes, if you're American.

Originally posted by ppn_2204
There's no need to shout at me, and I'm quite awake, thank you.

I was specifically commenting on the likelihood of the Home Office making up or modifying statistics concerning the reoffending rate of convicted paedophiles. My views on their figures concerning WMDs, dead military personnel et al, will be expressed on the appropriate thread. is it my fault that you appear to be gullible enough to believe the figures given by this government?

Originally posted by shoeshine
You used the term regarding me, not vice versa

I feel rather insulted:surprised

I actually used knee-jerk to refer to several of the posts on here. The definitions there came from answers.com - though more frequently it is a term used to refer to a unthinking, reflexive, emotive response which is (I think) hardly unfair comment!

Originally posted by depoix
is it my fault that you appear to be gullible enough to believe the figures given by this government?

Which figures do you suggest we use? Government figures are by no means perfect but aren't they likely to be as close to accurate as we can reasonably get?

Originally posted by ppn_2204
Yes, if you're American.

They can't spell it but they are good at spreading it worldwide...thanks to Dublya and Tony

Originally posted by evildrneil
Which figures do you suggest we use? Government figures are by no means perfect but aren't they likely to be as close to accurate as we can reasonably get? no way will the government let you know the truth,it doesnt suit them,thats why we have disclose rules that span decades,to ensure that the government are kept safe from their mistakes,some of these disclosers are not allowed to be accessed by the public for one hundred years, so if the figures they belch out were true, then why lock away the reports for so long ?

every so often you see it on the news where the years have passed and the public records office release a few files, some are blocked out in black ink,so why bother releasing them as they are unreadable

Originally posted by evildrneil
Why not? Do you have any evidence for this or is it just personal opinon?



What's the alternative? this (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/901723.stm)?

These is some (http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn2943) evidence that paedophilia is a mental illness should it not be treated as such?

Yes it should, give them jobs in schools, poor loves, no one understands.

Neil, are you trolling by any chance? :loopy:

Originally posted by evildrneil
I actually used knee-jerk to refer to several of the posts on here. The definitions there came from answers.com - though more frequently it is a term used to refer to a unthinking, reflexive, emotive response which is (I think) hardly unfair comment!

Ok..Idon't want to get into pedantics:)

What about Mr Crosby then?

A VILE paedophile raped and indecently assaulted two young boys after luring them to his Sheffield "Santa's Grotto" home packed full of toys and sweets.

Michael Crosby, aged 43, lured vulnerable youngsters from the Manor estate to his flat which was described at Sheffield Crown Court as an Aladdin's Cave, Santa's Grotto and Old Curiosity Shop rolled into one.



He gets 8 years sentencing, all that legislation will allow.

So he'll be out in 5...

Not like it was a one off either.

Crosby, who admitted four counts of rape and one of indecent assault was jailed for 18 months in 1984 for admitting five counts of buggery and one of indecent assault. In 1993 he was jailed for 15 months after admitting three counts of indecent assault against a minor.

From the Sheffield Star (http://www.sheffweb.co.uk/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=58&ArticleID=1305414)

Now, where's that rope? :mad:

Originally posted by depoix
is it my fault that you appear to be gullible enough to believe the figures given by this government?
I believe these specific figures, yes. I don't believe I mentioned anything about 'fault'; yours or anyone elses.

Please try to refrain from personal insults. It does your argument no good at all.

Originally posted by shoeshine
They can't spell it but they are good at spreading it worldwide...thanks to Dublya and Tony
In certain specific circumstances, I agree with you; particularly about Dubya.

Now that we've settled now to spell faeces, maybe we can get back on topic.......

It is interesting to note in the Star report tonight, that the judge in the case stated he wished he could have sentenced the offender to a longer sentence, but the law didn't allow it.

The offender had indecently assaulted a boy aged 7 or 8, and had five times raped a 14yr old boy over a period of seven months. For his crimes, he got eight years in jail, and supervision for a further 4 years.

Yet in 1984, the offender was jailed for 18 months for five counts of buggery and one of indecent assault, and in 1993 he was jailed for 15 months on three counts of indecent assault on a minor.

With a history of paedophile activity such as this, I, like the judge, am not convinced that an 8 year prison sentence is sufficient for this particular offender. The offender is 43, and will, in my opinion, remain a risk to children for the rest of his life. I personally would advocate life imprisonment for paedophile recidivists such as this offender.

Originally posted by depoix
no way will the government let you know the truth,it doesnt suit them,thats why we have disclose rules that span decades,to ensure that the government are kept safe from their mistakes,some of these disclosers are not allowed to be accessed by the public for one hundred years, so if the figures they belch out were true, then why lock away the reports for so long ?

every so often you see it on the news where the years have passed and the public records office release a few files, some are blocked out in black ink,so why bother releasing them as they are unreadable
I think you've been watching too many episodes of the X-Files ;). In most cases, blacked-out information is to protect the identities of the people involved, or their relatives, or people whose identities need to be protected for other reasons, for example the nature of their jobs.

Additionally, certain information is sensitive for political reasons, as it may give potential enemies information that may be used against the UK.

did the community know about him ? no, thats my point how many are being slipped on to our streets. & if they have to be released to soceity, why arnt they kept under observation

Originally posted by pk014b7161
did the community know about him ? no, thats my point how many are being slipped on to our streets. & if they have to be released to soceity, why arnt they kept under observation
In most cases, convicted paedophiles are kept under observation.

Do you think that the community should be aware of the location of all paedophiles, even those that are highly unlikely to offend again?

Originally posted by redrobbo
[B]...It is interesting to note in the Star report tonight, that the judge in the case stated he wished he could have sentenced the offender to a longer sentence, but the law didn't allow it...[B]
I agree with redrobbo's comments. This is exactly the point I was trying to make earlier in the thread. Sentences in such cases are unduly lenient; but this doesn't imply that the death sentence should be brought back, in my opinion, as others have suggested.

well i think the cosby fellow had a good track record to merit being watched, if he,s not considered worth watching i hate to think what they must have to do to be watched

Originally posted by pk014b7161
did the community know about him ? no, thats my point how many are being slipped on to our streets. & if they have to be released to soceity, why arnt they kept under observation

observation is the obvious way forward.
What do you think would have happened if the community had known about him. Who should take the responability for his subsequent murder and someones conviction for that?

Originally posted by pk014b7161
well i think the cosby fellow had a good track record to merit being watched, if he,s not considered worth watching i hate to think what they must have to do to be watched
Yes, I agree, I'm surprised that he wasn't under the supervision of some body or other.

Originally posted by redrobbo
With a history of paedophile activity such as this, I, like the judge, am not convinced that an 8 year prison sentence is sufficient for this particular offender. The offender is 43, and will, in my opinion, remain a risk to children for the rest of his life. I personally would advocate life imprisonment for paedophile recidivists such as this offender.

Hope this is not a party political broadcast - your comments are woefully out of step with your leftie comrades generally - perhaps the council elections are not soooooo far away after all.

;)

Originally posted by Internetowl
Hope this is not a party political broadcast - your comments are woefully out of step with your leftie comrades generally - perhaps the council elections are not soooooo far away after all.

;)

Talking of being woefully out of step, how does this post gell with your sig:

Being nice to all forummers in 2006 ?

Originally posted by shoeshine
Ok..Idon't want to get into pedantics:)

pedantics??? (http://www.wunderland.com/WTS/Renee/PedsHome.html)

Originally posted by Don_Kiddick
Yes it should, give them jobs in schools, poor loves, no one understands.

And where, pray tell, did I suggest anything like that?

Neil, are you trolling by any chance? :loopy:

Nope I'm trying to approach a complex social and psychological problem rationally and with some thought rather than engaging in unthinking, reflexive 'hang em all' type statements which hardly help in any type of debate.

Originally posted by evildrneil
And where, pray tell, did I suggest anything like that?



Nope I'm trying to approach a complex social and psychological problem rationally and with some thought rather than engaging in unthinking, reflexive 'hang em all' type statements which hardly help in any type of debate.

You didn't, I was just being reactionary - like wot u do innit :P

Originally posted by Don_Kiddick
You didn't, I was just being reactionary - like wot u do innit :P

You should hardly accuse others of trolling if your going to engage in it yourself!

I was asking, not accusing.

Geese n ganders mate

heads, buckets, sand

Slightly skewing the thread but

Look At This (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/norfolk/4591850.stm)

And Then This (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/4590840.stm)

Food for thought stories, aren't they

The one about the PE teacher is a bit odd, especially as he would have had the usual police checks before being given employment in a school.

For Ruth Kelly to then (potentially controversially) uphold the previous decision to give him a job suggests that there is more to this than meets the eye, or is being reported.

Originally posted by Tony
The one about the PE teacher is a bit odd, especially as he would have had the usual police checks before being given employment in a school.

For Ruth Kelly to then (potentially controversially) uphold the previous decision to give him a job suggests that there is more to this than meets the eye, or is being reported.
the police check in place have proven inadequate as with previous situations where 2 young girls were murdered by the janitor.

the other thing is ..paedophiles are protected by the powers that be and they are let/ allowed to be housed close to schools etc by the authorities.

there are cases of multiple convictions and after release, multiple re offending taking place yet the powers that be and the do gooders say nothing...

bring back hanging....kill them on the first offence and there would be no re offending.....do the same with all perverts and this world will be a better place
am i being paedophobic?

Originally posted by Delboy3

am i being paedophobic?

No.

The murderer of 3 young children from one family, who impailed them all on wrought iron railings after their killing , will no doubt get his day release organised for him outside the Merseyside Police Area..... there must be lots of suitable wrought iron accessories he can use within a day trip distance of Liverpool:rant:

Originally posted by Delboy3
am i being paedophobic?

no. that would mean that you are afraid of children.

If we executed litterbugs on the spot there'd be a lot less litter too.

The Chief Constable of Merseyside has got it right in his web cast.
Click on the link then play the video http://www.merseyside.police.uk/html/news/video/index.htm

Well done Bernard Hogan-Howe. Let's hope that other Chief Constables follow your lead. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Originally posted by owdlad
The Chief Constable of Merseyside has got it right in his web cast.
Click on the link then play the video http://www.merseyside.police.uk/html/news/video/index.htm

Well done Bernard Hogan-Howe. Let's hope that other Chief Constables follow your lead. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Yep lets hope they do :thumbsup:

Originally posted by Phanerothyme
no. that would mean that you are afraid of children.

If we executed litterbugs on the spot there'd be a lot less litter too. I agree.....lets get a law society like singapore.....Jokes aside, I have 2 grandaughters.....if ever touch wood anyone touches them..I would not let the police know anything as I would make them suffer a long and terrible demise.

Problem with this country is we allow these perverts to be protected by the law after they have been let out.....and when they strike again...no one is held accountable.
What we need is a system where the people/do gooders that allow these dregs of society to intergrate, be accountable for the actions that follow.

i think we all know that capital punishment will never come back . so why not just make sure, that when these type of crimenals are senteneced to life it means life full stop.and i
i dont mean locked up on pleasure island ,3 sqr meals, sky tv, games rooms ,and any other luxury they dont deserve . hard time, what a joke these beast,s live better than your average law abiding citizen

Originally posted by pk014b7161
i think we all know that capital punishment will never come back . so why not just make sure, that when these type of crimenals are senteneced to life it means life full stop.and i
i dont mean locked up on pleasure island ,3 sqr meals, sky tv, games rooms ,and any other luxury they dont deserve . hard time, what a joke these beast,s live better than your average law abiding citizen

Give them a Pack of Band Aids and make them mix with other prisoners too for their full Life Term

Originally posted by Phanerothyme
no. that would mean that you are afraid of children.

If we executed litterbugs on the spot there'd be a lot less litter too.

i,d rather pick a bit of litter up than a broken child

Originally posted by pk014b7161
what a joke these beast,s live better than your average law abiding citizen

Really? You're not tempted to go to prison to enjoy these luxuries at the taxpayers expense? Credit to you.

Originally posted by pk014b7161
i think we all know that capital punishment will never come back . so why not just make sure, that when these type of crimenals are senteneced to life it means life full stop.and i
i dont mean locked up on pleasure island ,3 sqr meals, sky tv, games rooms ,and any other luxury they dont deserve . hard time, what a joke these beast,s live better than your average law abiding citizen this is unfortunatly true,they get segrigation from other prisoners which i feel is wrong,if found guilty there should be no special privilages,they know that they have done wrong ,i can imagine them weying up the end result when they are planning their vile attacks

if caught will get automatic protection from other inmates

own cell, well room ,with central heating ,tv running water etc

some social worker in prison will be on call 24/7

chance to mix with own kind and swap expieriances

a short term stay if they can convince some psychologist (who probably doesnt have any kids ) that they are remorsefull

a fresh start anywhere in britain,courtesy of the government and council housing rules


not to mention anoniminity

the worlds gone mad, who said crime doesnt pay ? sadly i know this to be true, as one of these scum actually worked his way into our family circle, he was in receipt of a military pension for when he worked in northern ireland, he was paid almost £90 per week,as the law stands ,no one can stop his pension,so after pay rises in pensions etc you could say he is earning £5000 per year whilst bieng kept and cared for by the government, when after 6 years he came out he has the grand sum of £ 35000 in his bank account, plus he is automatically rehoused without waiting in a que or bidding for a property

i cant see as scum like him have anything to worry about apart from they cant get their hands on a child for the x number of years they are put away,but with the contacts they make inside it opens up a whole new world for them, they may have thought they were alone in their city but now they have many addresses they can visit accross the country thanks to their friends in prison,and of course theres always the internet and mobile phones they can keep in touch with each other with after swapping e mail addresses

Originally posted by Phanerothyme
Really? You're not tempted to go to prison to enjoy these luxuries at the taxpayers expense? Credit to you.

not just yet i,ll wait till im an oap then go. mind you the way the pensions are going they,ll be a queue to get in

Originally posted by depoix
this is unfortunatly true,they get segrigation from other prisoners which i feel is wrong,if found guilty there should be no special privilages,they know that they have done wrong ,i can imagine them weying up the end result when they are planning their vile attacks

if caught will get automatic protection from other inmates

own cell, well room ,with central heating ,tv running water etc

some social worker in prison will be on call 24/7

chance to mix with own kind and swap expieriances

a short term stay if they can convince some psychologist (who probably doesnt have any kids ) that they are remorsefull

a fresh start anywhere in britain,courtesy of the government and council housing rules


not to mention anoniminity

the worlds gone mad, who said crime doesnt pay ? sadly i know this to be true, as one of these scum actually worked his way into our family circle, he was in receipt of a military pension for when he worked in northern ireland, he was paid almost £90 per week,as the law stands ,no one can stop his pension,so after pay rises in pensions etc you could say he is earning £5000 per year whilst bieng kept and cared for by the government, when after 6 years he came out he has the grand sum of £ 35000 in his bank account, plus he is automatically rehoused without waiting in a que or bidding for a property

i cant see as scum like him have anything to worry about apart from they cant get their hands on a child for the x number of years they are put away,but with the contacts they make inside it opens up a whole new world for them, they may have thought they were alone in their city but now they have many addresses they can visit accross the country thanks to their friends in prison,and of course theres always the internet and mobile phones they can keep in touch with each other with after swapping e mail addresses

treating and calling people scum makes you worse than them - in fact i'd say you were far worse than a paedophile.
They are sick, most of them you are just ****ing evil beyond belief IMO. If there is a god you will burn for your intollerance to your fellow man. IMO

Originally posted by miniminch
treating and calling people scum makes you worse than them - in fact i'd say you were far worse than a paedophile.
They are sick, most of them you are just ****ing evil beyond belief IMO. If there is a god you will burn for your intollerance to your fellow man. IMO

Well there's nothing like being polite:D

Originally posted by shoeshine
Well there's nothing like being polite:D thanks - i have my moments;)

Originally posted by miniminch
treating and calling people scum makes you worse than them - in fact i'd say you were far worse than a paedophile.
They are sick, most of them you are just ****ing evil beyond belief IMO. If there is a god you will burn for your intollerance to your fellow man. IMO perhaps when you grow up into an adult and meet a girl you may have children,then pehaps,just perhaps you will realize that scum exist, now im sure i can hear your mum shouting you in for bed, or could it possibly be youy have some hidden agenda and my post managed to tap a nerve ?

i wonder ?

Originally posted by miniminch
thanks - i have my moments;)

Believe you me....it was NOT a compliment. Your last comment on the Karma thread was also disgraceful.

Originally posted by pk014b7161
not just yet i,ll wait till im an oap then go. mind you the way the pensions are going they,ll be a queue to get in

there already is, because prisons are quite overcrowded already.

depoix - grow up for a change


No – it just ****** me off that there are thousands of people (and children} starving to death and being bombed and killed in your name – and let’s face it – most of you don’t give a ****. The ‘scum’ that do this are sitting in comfy offices and you elect then and do not comment or challenge them. But when someone who is perhaps ‘mentally ill’ or has a fetish, there are no shortage of you moralising, holier-than-thou, Mail readers queuing up to lynch, beat and kill them without trial or a proper understanding of the facts.
I know who the real scum in this society is – and it’s not some bloke who fiddled with a kid.
Do you know how many children are living below the poverty line in this country? – loads. But they can be starved, beaten and exploited as long as no one touches them between the legs…

It seems so backward and perverse to me. Let’s hunt and kill the real child abusers – this government and anyone who voted for them – I say let’s kill them all.

Originally posted by shoeshine
Believe you me....it was NOT a compliment. Your last comment on the Karma thread was also disgraceful. I will explain irony and sarcasm to you one day - until then carry on being grossly thick;)

Isnt this getting away from the original subject?

Originally posted by miniminch
I will explain irony and sarcasm to you one day - until then carry on being grossly thick;) how about next sunday..? between 2 and 3 30 in the white rails,upperthorpe,or send some one in whos old enough and ill meet you out side

be there ,or show your self up on here for what you are.........

ps

i have no feelings towards compasion for scum or the " people " who defend them

see you sunday then ????????

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