Simple question out of personal interest, no need to close or remove this thread I am sure.

Just peoples opinions please ?

Not at all. For something they do out of their own time they do a gret job. Maybe once or twice they do step in at the wrong time but i would prefer this than not at all and the forum attract the wrong types which can easily happen if left alone.

No, not really. If it was completely unrestricted, I suspect it would become dominated by hate politics.

Ditto, think they do a smashing job.:thumbsup:

No, I don't think it's over-moderated. I think that on rare occasions some mods may be a little, ahem, over-enthusiastic in moving and closing threads, but ultimately I think they do a great job. They are always going to to something that someone, somewhere will find annoying. I'd sooner have that than have the forum descend into an unmoderated morass of rubbish.

I think one of the problems is that when controversial topics are discussed, some people occasionally use inappropriate language etc, as they become (perhaps justifiably) angry. It doesn't bother me, but this is a family forum, so get rid of it I say.

Then there are the truly racist 'contributers' and those who post only abuse or troll for a bit of a laugh withoug contributing anything useful to any other thread. Theyusually appear and disappear again pretty quickly. Again, get rid.

Sometimes, someone might post a serious question, the aim of which gets lost amidst the subsequent hijack of the thread for comedy value. All well and good in some instances, and usually most of it can be ignored, but sometimes new posters might become intimidated and log off, never to be seen again. Which is a shame. When a serious thread about a controversial subject, or a subject that some see as ripe for having the wee ripped out of it, gets contaminated by abuse, then it's time to start pruning.

No, this is a family forum and needs a fairly high level of moderating, i don't think it is the moderating that gets out of control but the language we use.
Not just swearing but sarcasm and deliberate flaming, some very good threads end in chaos because of an inabillity to moderate ourselves.
I can really respect some posters who can carry on with the debate letting the personal insults go without responding.
Personally i react to sarcasm and insults when i know i should'nt, so on the whole i stay out of a lot of the subjects that interest me, i'm sure others do also.
To me the rules are clear but having said that some times the edgy debates make better reading.

I think the quality of posts and behaviour of posters has gone down, resulting in an increase in modding.

Sometimes they don't step in quicky when chats get too personal and downright rude.One can read the chats and know instantly who wrote it.Just one or two cruise looking for fights and contribute nothlng.

I got banned for using the letters BNP which is a political body of Her Majesty's Government. I asked someone a question about a turkey of all things. (I'm not a BNP person either)

But I agree we should have the MOD's in!

OK.....time for me to prove a point, I guess.

We've taken a great deal, of time in the last three months explaining why we Moderate in the way we do.

Now, no-one forces anyone to use Sheffield Forum.

If you wish to use a less moderated site, there are other sites which you're more than welcome to go and use.

Moderating policy is set on SF by the site owner and the Mods, and implemented by the Mods.

Some of the posters on here don't know how to debate without being abusive or just plain stupid. They will not be allowed to ruin the Forum for other users.

And Frodo, you were trolling - you were taking the Michael and you got pulled on it. Given the fun and games on numerous threads regarding the BNP over Christmas it shouldn't have taken an intellectual giant to realise that trolling on such a topic would get you in trouble.

Joe

:heyhey: Now be nice Joe and don't mention the BNP again, or I will have to ban you... you have been warned...

:thumbsup:

Oh Frodo,

Trolling does not suit you one bit.

And you're not that good at it, either.

Joe

Originally posted by JoeP
OK.....time for me to prove a point, I guess.

We've taken a great deal, of time in the last three months explaining why we Moderate in the way we do.

Now, no-one forces anyone to use Sheffield Forum.

If you wish to use a less moderated site, there are other sites which you're more than welcome to go and use.

Moderating policy is set on SF by the site owner and the Mods, and implemented by the Mods.

Joe

I go with all of that, just feel that there has been an increasingly tighter grasp on longer standing ways the forum has been run.

Official volunteers mostly do a good job in my opinion although I sometimes get the impression that now and then some might get a little power p*ssed.

I posted poll to gather some other peoples opinions.

Aw shucks, I will have to go back to being the normal loveable me!!

I do love the Mod's....:D

I don't often think this forum is over moderated.

But occasionally I have posted on a good discussion that's been interesting with no slanging matches.

Then the next day I return and I can't find it. I don't always know if it's cos' I can't recall the title ( or it's been changed) or been removed.

Could we have list of recently removed threads just so I don't think I am losing the plot when I can not find threads?

Originally posted by samc
Could we have list of recently removed threads just so I don't think I am losing the plot when I can not find threads?

Er... the computer says... no

Venger,

The 'level' of moderating does vary.

We've been thin on the ground due to illness and holidays for the last three weeks or so, so we don't have the time or inclination under those circumstances to always be as patient as we might be when there are lots of Mods and things are cool.

If people get 'daft' and just keep pushing their luck when someone's been Moderating the forum for three or four hours a day, 7 days a week for a couple of weeks, then it's quite possible that a few bans will get dished out.

Also, in the last month or so there have been a number of occasions when a few members have decided that the normal rules no longer apply to them and they've somewhat stretched the limits of Moderating tolerance.

So yes, in some ways things have been tightened up; in other ways I think we've become more open about process and also more tolerant in some respects.

Cheers,

Joe

the reason this board is a success is the users.
So when a valid discussion of something like moderating is taking place, the throwaway line "you can always leave" is probably best left out of it. IMO. Unless of course you are deliberately trying to give the impression that the management are in no way interested in the views of the punters, which I don't think is the case.

Anyway, on topic, I think the moderating is pretty good generally.

Originally posted by Frodo
Er... the computer says... no

Dunno about the computer, but this human being says 'We're trying'.

For a while now we've been trying to lock threads rather than remove them, or replace them after 'pruning', and so in these cases using 'Search' will give you the threads even if locked.

If we do remove a thread, we have been posting a note to that effect if the thread is a 'non-trivial' one. If threads are removed for trolling, spamming, etc. we don't post a note.

This isn't perfect yet; we slip up sometimes, but there are fewer threads being removed now than previously, and we are trying to keep people aware.

Joe

Quote:
Originally posted by samc
Could we have list of recently removed threads just so I don't think I am losing the plot when I can not find threads?


Originally posted by Frodo
Er... the computer says... no



Have to agree with that, some of the threads which have been removed have generated a lot of heat and if we put in links saying they had been removed it would be like a red rag to a bull to some posters.

Originally posted by samc
I don't often think this forum is over moderated.

But occasionally I have posted on a good discussion that's been interesting with no slanging matches.

Then the next day I return and I can't find it. I don't always know if it's cos' I can't recall the title ( or it's been changed) or been removed.

Could we have list of recently removed threads just so I don't think I am losing the plot when I can not find threads?

Thats the sort of thing I was looking for.

This has happened to me several times, my memory is selective at best and start to question my recollection, or sanity :suspect:

Sometimes also notice fashions of collective Modding, this could be my imagination, anyone else noticed this at all over the last few months ?

Now I am scared! 2 Mod's at once! It's like the invasion of the Daleks... :help:

Originally posted by max


Have to agree with that, some of the threads which have been removed have generated a lot of heat and if we put in links saying they had been removed it would be like a red rag to a bull to some posters. [/QUOTE]

But those whom would be really angry and abusive are the ones who know its' been pulled cos' they were the ones who caused the hassle. So why would a list annoy them any further?

Like Venger I sometimes have to question 'was I dreaming? ' about disappearing threads.

The absence of some contributors, and one in particular, in 2006 so far, has made the forum a much better place in my view.

Originally posted by Cyclone
the reason this board is a success is the users.
So when a valid discussion of something like moderating is taking place, the throwaway line "you can always leave" is probably best left out of it. IMO. Unless of course you are deliberately trying to give the impression that the management are in no way interested in the views of the punters, which I don't think is the case.

Anyway, on topic, I think the moderating is pretty good generally.

Cyclone, I'm sorry, but sometiems 'you can always leave' is valid.

There are people on here who do little to contribute to this board except troll and cause problems for other users.

We're very interested in the vast majority of the users of this forum who post valuable, silly, frivolous, useful, thought provoking, interstesting and irritating posts.

But, those who just troll, spam and generally go out of their way to abuse the Forum and the membership - I am more than happy to see them go away.

I stay with my original words. We have nearly 20,000 users - many are occasional users, and they're the ones who may be put off by idiotic behaviour that the 'regulars' tolerate. I would rather lose the trolls than occasional posters who wish to use SF in a more civilised manner.

Joe

agreed, i'm just not sure that trotting out the phrase whenever someone questions a board policy is going to set the image you want.
Everyone knows how the board is run and that users are the guests here. You don't have to rub it in peoples faces, it upsets them.

I dont think its being overmoderated, sometimes its not moderated enough, but I am sure MODS do have lives.

I know of late with the influx of new people the same threads have been started (the seafrch button isnt best thing to use)and I`ve posted the link in my post and reported it so the MODS can merge them, but this has not been happening, :mad:

Not sure if I am doing this bit right, or maybe I am just being ignored, lol :o :o

Oh dear, is Peter trolling there?

Here come the Daleks...

:heyhey:

Originally posted by peter41
I`ve posted the link in my post and reported it so the MODS can merge them, but this has not been happening, :mad:


90% of the posts you've reported for merging have been merged, the remaining ones have had subjects sufficiently different to not justify merging - despite being reported 3 times.

We have dozens of reported posts every day and unfortunately we don't have the time to respond to all of them.

Oh Frodo, do be quiet...

Peter41 i do the same sometimes as the mods don't have eyes all over the place and need to be shown things sometimes just to make their lives eaiser. I think at the mo the problem is not enough mods to do all the jobs that need doing, so some reported posts jsut don't get dealt with.

posted by a new person
Oh dear, is Peter trolling there?

is it not the other way round, lol. Its called "having my say"
:P

yawn! New people same moans, if your are around long enough, you will see this thread will be repeated in a few months time with different people asking the questions.

As Joe said, if you don't like a) go away or b) go away and set up your own Sheffield forum so you can make yourself feel important by being an admin. :hihi: (Mind you it isn't fun, believe me)

The only gripe I have on moderation is when your posts get edited and you are not informed of the matter, let alone why there were edited in the first place.

Now come on guys give the people that run the place a break, and lets have some interesting topics for me to read! :clap:

Originally posted by Cyclone
agreed, i'm just not sure that trotting out the phrase whenever someone questions a board policy is going to set the image you want.
Everyone knows how the board is run and that users are the guests here. You don't have to rub it in peoples faces, it upsets them.

Cyclone, we're happy for people to debate board policy, and we take on board a lot of constructive criticism.

I'm not sure how many people feel that they're having their faces rubbed in anything, Cyclone. Most users seem to be quite comfortable on the Forum, and value the fact that we do try and keep the idiots out.

There are, however, users who on visiting the forum act like a houseguest who pours Scotch in the fish bowl, throws up on the carpet and kicks the TV screen in. They're not welcome, and I genuinely believe that the vast majority of users on the Forum know the type of user I'm talking about when I use that phrase.

Joe

The answer is quite simple; Don't dish it out if you are unable to take it. It always amuses me how some of the very people complaining about the standards of moderation never give a second thought when it comes to running to the mods, tale telling.

Originally posted by Skatiechik
yawn! New people same moans, if your are around long enough, you will see this thread will be repeated in a few months time with different people asking the questions....
Yes, but a lot of people haven't been around that long, and it's not beyond the realms of possibility that those who joined later than you might want their say too.

Additionally, as some of the Mods have already said, they do take on board constructive criticism, so moderator policy may be subject to modification itself. As such, it's always good to have new imput and have any changes made clear. Transparent mod policy is good mod policy :).

It isn't really fair to say 'if you don't like it, go away'. True, if someone really objects to most aspects of the moderation policy for some strange reason, then they might as well bugger off. However, others may like to contribute suggestions (whether they're taken onboard is a different matter), ask questions or might generally find a discussion of moderator policy informative. It does, at the very least, save the help desk getting swamped with lots of emails, when those who run it could be busy kicking out the trolls.

Originally posted by ppn_2204

It isn't really fair to say 'if you don't like it, go away'. True, if someone really objects to most aspects of the moderation policy for some strange reason, then they might as well bugger off. However, others may like to contribute suggestions (whether they're taken onboard is a different matter), ask questions or might generally find a discussion of moderator policy informative. It does, at the very least, save the help desk getting swamped with lots of emails, when those who run it could be busy kicking out the trolls.

The people to whom the phrase, 'if you don't like it, go away' does tend to be those who object to most things that the Mods do, or even object to moderation at all. Sort of like joining a soccer team then demanding the rules be changed to those of tennis.

In the last two months I think there have been 3 or 4 threads at least like this one that usually all run in a similar fashion, and we do try and take on board what's said.

Also, quite a few people PM me and the other Mods with ideas, which we look at and see if we can apply.

The main reason we are sometimes reluctant to discuss policy is quite simply that past experience has ended up in these threads becoming 'Mod baiting' sessions, which are not fruitful and a waste of time and energy to all concerned.

Joe

Personally I'm fine with the 'if you don't like it, go away' concept. Sure it's fun sometimes to sail a little close to the wind with a spot of trolling, infighting or teasing, but I see it as a privilige to have the forum here, functional and friendly every time I open my laptop.

I neither expect to be permitted to abuse my membership of the forum nor wish to see others spoiling it for the rest of us.

On balance IMO the mods do an excellent (unpaid, let's not forget) job.

:thumbsup:

I have never been banned :clap: :clap: :clap:

I have. Hopefully the Daleks have learned their lesson and won't do it again. :suspect: :heyhey:

But there again, I am a new boy...

Good job mods.... keep it up!

I wouldn't say that it is at all, i would say that some users have been trying to get away with stuff that a new user wouldn't be allowed to say or do, just because they have been here a long time.

but all in all i think that sometimes its good to have a lively debate and the mods do there best to keep this going!!

Joe might be surprised to read that I think this forum is generally moderated very well. I did have problems with one mod but he seems to have disppeared, or is just leaving me alone now. I think Joe and the others are absolutely fantastic and most of the time when people are out of hand (including me) they deal with it very well.

I think you're doing a fantastic job, thankyou very much

I think most of the Mods on here do an excellent job and their efforts are generally under-appreciated.

However, I find that their personal opinions can sometimes get in the way of them making fair decisions in certain threads, particularly in the political arena. What I would suggest is that if an individual Mod has strong feelings about a thread - whether for or against - they take the decision NOT to moderate that thread. I appreciate that this would be affected by the number of Mods available at the time who could moderate instead.

And it does cause confusion and sometimes irritation when threads suddenly vanish, especially if you've put a lot of thought and energy into postings to them, so an explanation would be most welcome when a thread is removed.

Overall, keep up the good work! :thumbsup:

StarSparkle :)

Originally posted by JoeP
...The main reason we are sometimes reluctant to discuss policy is quite simply that past experience has ended up in these threads becoming 'Mod baiting' sessions, which are not fruitful and a waste of time and energy to all concerned.

Joe
Which is a shame, and undoubtedly initiated by those who aren't really bothered anyway. I agree though, given such contributers it probably is virtually impossible to have a transparent moderator policy if some aren't able, or willing, to discuss it sensibly. Actually, I feel pretty much up to date about the current policy, as a mod (I think it was JoeP, but I might be wrong), recently posted a good outline.

I think that perhaps some contributers might have become a bit peeved if they happen to disagree with why, for example, one of their posts might have been edited or moved, and a request for an explanation or further information might have been overlooked or ignored. Given the busy nature of this forum, though, I can see why it might happen.

Originally posted by Frodo
I got banned for using the letters BNP which is a political body of Her Majesty's Government.

The BNP is a political party but has nothing whatsoever to do with HMG. Perhaps the ban was for giving two short planks a close run thing in the IQ stakes..............

IMHO the mods do a great job - I would certainly never volunteer to done such a thankless job for nowt.

I think the moderators are quite lenient. people get away with more on this forum than on the other one I use.

Where were you when I was being slagged off the other night?

Well Im not normally one for saying what I think at the best of times but I will now if no one minds of course.

I think in certain areas of posts on the forum the Mods let far to much go before action is taken. Now I admit, I do frequently wind one or two forummers up, call it banter if you will (it was one of my resolutions to pack that in :hihi: )

However, the mods let certain things get to far ahead or heated before action is taken and I think this is what causes tension amongst members leading to arguments on threads and abuse by PM, even in Chat! If you think something is going to get heated then pull it, explain why, don't just delete it without explanation as this is what winds several members up who in turn will start a new thread, only for that to get pulled, start another one and then get banned for spamming/trolling!

I consider myself lucky that I haven't been banned over the last few days after threads I have read have really made me lose my temper (not something that happens often or easily either)

I have no issues with this 'freedom of speech' malarky but have no desire to see racist/facist posts remain on here, its in the Forum rules, I don't see why racist posts are given several warnings, you sign up you agree to the rules, simple as!

Time for Cardy and Slippers I think :help:

I've been taking the advice of the Mods in more recent times, and have started reporting posts which contain libellous statements, or for excessive swearing.

On some emotive subjects, it is very easy to get overheated at times. I've actually been warned a couple of times by the Mods, and have taken their kindly and well-meaning advice. I'm also aware that some of my posts have been deleted. I don't take it personally, and just accept that the Mods are doing their job as they see fit, and I never question their decisions.

I too get frustrated when threads get closed. I composed a reply to a poster the other day, only to find I couldn't post it as the thread had been closed whilst I was composing my reply! Aarrgghh!

Overall, the Mods get my vote for doing a voluntary and unpaid job extremely well. They make SF what it is - a successful family forum. Keep on modding - you're a great team! :thumbsup:

Originally posted by Craig7777
I have never been banned :clap: :clap: :clap:

Mods.....quick! I spy a troll! :hihi:

Originally posted by Craig7777
I have never been banned :clap: :clap: :clap:

Watch it pal - I'll have you extradited to (poor one coming up) planet telex. ;)

Yes - the moderators do a great job. If I find something inappropriate, then I'll RTP it - I'm a big user of RTP.

:)

D2J,

With respect to letting things go too far, sometimes we just don't see stuff until it's too late.

That's why we NEED people to report posts. We don't answer reports, and we may not appear to act on them, but I guarantee that everyone is looked at and checked out by one or more Mods. Sometimes, we'll all have a look and debate the issue. Typically, we get over 50 reports a day, plus a few PMs from people asking for help or action to be taken. And we keep an eye on posts when we're online, so we probably act on anywahere between 60 and 100+ posts a day.

As for giving warnings - it's not just people expressing racist views who get warnings, rater than bans. Posters from the other side of the political coin have also been repeatedly warned. We tend to let things go more in 'I'm really bored' , where the banter is allowed to flow more freely, and on some of the 'Meet' threads, even though chat would be a better way of communicating on some occasions.

Sometimes it's difficult to know when things will get heated - we're not mind-readers and if we do pull stuff too early we will get a lot of stick.

One thing I will say - it's in everyone's power to stop things going too far in the threads that get abusive. Just walk away from the threads for an hour and let it calm down. One approach we take sometiems to force this is to close the thread for an hour or two.

Joe

ive said all my thoughts on the subject before

and i voted no ...................cos its been the same since i joined :P

Joe,

Thats just how my mind sees things sometimes. I know every thread/post cannot be monitored 24/7.

As for the Im Bored section of the forum, you guys deserve credit for letting that forum do exactly what it says on the tin, bit of banter goes on in there :thumbsup:

We'll have to agree to dis-agree on some of the heated debate threads, on some of the latest ones you can tell from the first post that it's going to cause tension amongst posters (for which I have been guilty of :blush)

All in all though, D2J is happy that he got a response :clap:

Good Advice Joe Thanks

When you have posts like this (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=81730) I'm glad the forum is well moderated. Without Joe and co I'm pretty sure that by morning a forum vigilante mob would have smashed every silver car in the area.

One thing that can get annoying is the whole 'on topic thing' - by the very nature of discussion boards, discussion can evolve and change the subject - having someone posting every other post in an evolving topic with "back on topic" does seem a bit over the top...

Originally posted by alchresearch
When you have posts like this (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=81730) I'm glad the forum is well moderated. Without Joe and co I'm pretty sure that by morning a forum vigilante mob would have smashed every silver car in the area.
Looking at your logo (Moe) it always seems to be Moe who is leading the vigilanties ( Lets go burn down the ob-serve-a- tory)

Just joking mate

Originally posted by artisan
Looking at your logo (Moe) it always seems to be Moe who is leading the vigilanties ( Lets go burn down the ob-serve-a- tory)

Just joking mate

Well observed! I think Moe was the one who bust up the natural history museum, torched the christian science reading rooms, and led the vigilante mob to take Maggie Simpson's bear Bobo for Mr Burns!

Homer, Moe, Mayor Quimby, and Barney are my favorites

Originally posted by Alex C.
One thing that can get annoying is the whole 'on topic thing' - by the very nature of discussion boards, discussion can evolve and change the subject - having someone posting every other post in an evolving topic with "back on topic" does seem a bit over the top...

You'll usually find we use the 'get back on topic' phrase when we want something to get away from an area that is likely to cause trouble - abuse, trolling, etc.

However, it is valid to ask people to stay on topic - it takes all of...oooh...two minutes for someone to kick a new thread off and link to it from the original one.

That way someone that wants to comment on the original topic can still do so, and people who've evolved the topic out of the ball park can also carry on.

Loving the fact that it's mostly only in the mod's own postings that "Mods" is capitalised:hihi:

Originally posted by bensonhedges
Loving the fact that it's mostly only in the mod's own postings that "Mods" is capitalised:hihi:

Well, allows Mods as in Moderators to be differentiated from mods as in fans of a certain type of 60s music.

:)

Ive listened to all the views that everyone has posted re:- over moderating on sheff forum. I work as a sysop{system operator} called moderaters on this site on an australian chat room site which is international which presents a load of probs with the way ppl speak and say things in a diff way.I once said "be back in two mins going fo a fag" {ob inference} and also mentioned "sellotape" {condoms in australia} and being a sheffield lad say "hello love" {like we all do! }oops major problems in the USA!So despite me being fluent in french and my partner who is also a sysop spks fluent dutch german and swaheli we do encounter lots of probs and WE get filtered as well sometimes through pre-set "outs" When I found sheff forum I was chuffed to little pieces to find out that there's ppl and areas I know! w.r.t. how far does a mod go b4 kicking someone out ...mods have to tread a very thin line as to whether to kick someone out with a warning or THINKS* hmm.. will this spoil the chat? I am a recent user of sheff forum and am thrilled to be a part of what evryone regards as their forum.So please bear in mind that the mods are here to keep YOUR chat and threads safe free from predujice age sex religion or crede and like Joe and Max I also work on a voluntary basis.I think this is not a site that is over-moderated and time zones covering the world by various mods does not present a prob here..............SO to Joe ,Max and the team ..keep up the good work lads!

WOW! how quick can mods get .. thanx tracie for the IMMEDIATE reply sorry I said "lads" should have said "girls" as well.Thanx love he he ..I can say this here! xxx

Do you think this forum is becoming over-moderated ?

Yes. I've had a post removed for defending someone who was getting some unnecessary grief from another forummer. :loopy:

Originally posted by jeffinsheff
WOW! how quick can mods get .. thanx tracie for the IMMEDIATE reply sorry I said "lads" should have said "girls" as well.Thanx love he he ..I can say this here! xxx

Ah well I was going to point out that you obviously don't listen to the Mods (ahem) because you're still calling them 'mods' hehe....:D

Great to speak to people from other cultures!!!

:thumbsup:

Originally posted by venger
Simple question out of personal interest, no need to close or remove this thread I am sure.

Just peoples opinions please ?
I'd feel happier if it was moderated consistently. It's difficult to tell what you can or can't post when the goal posts keep moving :confused:

the_rudeboy - without knowing the details, I can't comment.

But sometimes we will adopt the policy of 'pull everything and let God sort 'em out'. Not perfect but settles problems.

Strix - consistency is soemthing we strive for but we're unlikley to get all of us being exactly the same. I would agree, though, that there is room for improvement.

What we try and do is moderate posts on the basis of impact to the smooth running of the Forum, as well as whether the rules are broken. If there's what might be called a 'good humoured' breach of the rules we might cut some slack. If someone is just being nasty then we might be much tighter. The rules are still applied, but we may react to breaches of them in slightly different ways.

Joe

Just out of curiosity, How does a New Topic get 2 views in the time it takes to press enter to it appearing on screen?
Do the Mods have ferrari processors or am I easily impressed?
:cool: ;)

Originally posted by scottishdude
Just out of curiosity, How does a New Topic get 2 views in the time it takes to press enter to it appearing on screen?
Do the Mods have ferrari processors or am I easily impressed?
:cool: ;)

Maybe it was just such a good topic that two members could take a quick look in the time it took to press Send? ;)

the-rudeboy what would you do if you talked to a robot?..the good thing about moderaters are that THEY ARE HUMAN!..and if THEY didn't have faults would you like that? I think they are just ppl that try their best to make the chat the forum enjoyable and safe..Would you want a "mickey mouse site?" I wouldn't so sorry to disagree with you on that one SHsheff remember I'm new to this site but I love your style! my partner is dutch as previously said but yea i think its nice to know other ppl's cultures and style.. omg she says "innit" and "dunnit"now.I'm not too sure I like her learning the sheffield lingo{perhaps a new thread?} Strix I know where youre coming from and I was born on the Littledale Estate off prince keep in contact I'm sure we'll have a few chats at some stage.

I can assure you that The Sheffield Forum is a prime example of an excellent mod-ed forum; on another forum I use (nothing to do with Sheffield) I was told to "F***outtahere" from an administrator! Tsk, tsk - disgusting.

</end whinge>

:)

Originally posted by scottishdude
Just out of curiosity, How does a New Topic get 2 views in the time it takes to press enter to it appearing on screen?
Do the Mods have ferrari processors or am I easily impressed?
:cool: ;)

Well, one is accounted by you looking at your own post when it automatically comes back to it.

The other may well be someone who clicks it in between the time you press send and the forum software bringing you back to your thread and then you looking how many views its had.

:)

Originally posted by the_rudeboy
Do you think this forum is becoming over-moderated ?

Yes. I've had a post removed for defending someone who was getting some unnecessary grief from another forummer. :loopy:
I was removed (by me) because I also removed the abuse. It would have been silly to not remove yours as well, seeing as it quoted the original abuse.

Thanks for supporting the other member, but the best way to deal with these things is to report the post, like the abused member did, then it gets dealt with. That particular thread seems to be back on track now.

And someone's swiped my spit or swallow thread!!! :mad:

Originally posted by Strix
I'd feel happier if it was moderated consistently. It's difficult to tell what you can or can't post when the goal posts keep moving :confused:

Strix, 10,000 posts tells me that you are fairly happy with this forum :)

It would have been 20,000 by now but they keep getting snatched! :hihi:

I cruise a lot of U.K forums and some in Canada, but I always come back to S.F,for its well laid out style and its Mods,they do a fine job, even when working with the 5% sub-human.

Personally, I'm against censorship, it goes against freedom of speech. But at the same time it's up to the individual to use that freedom responsibly. The moderator is faced with the awesome task of deciding what is right and what isn't. If I say somebody is bloody foolish, it ought to be decided by the justice of whether I was right to call him foolish, or whether I used a mild profanity. If the latter is the reason, then the moderator needs to face tha facts of modern speech, and I don't mean the F word

Teh F word is censored on most boards mate, except American ones it seems, apparently their policy is that almost anything goes... Including randomly insulting me and accusing me of retardedness :rant:

The very point I'm making is not to use the Fword, for chrissake. But don't use insults to make your point. Now you have to use your anti Americanism to make your point. We have heard it all, and guess what, we don't care. We're happy in our own place I hope you are in yours

Originally posted by buck
The very point I'm making is not to use the Fword, for chrissake. But don't use insults to make your point. Now you have to use your anti Americanism to make your point. We have heard it all, and guess what, we don't care. We're happy in our own place I hope you are in yours
Bit of an over-reaction there. What bit of Rich's post was anti-American, as opposed to expressing an opinion about some of the forums he's visited which happen to be American?

Originally posted by jeffinsheff
... Strix I know where youre coming from and I was born on the Littledale Estate off prince keep in contact I'm sure we'll have a few chats at some stage.
Where's that? Is it anywhere near Bootle?

Originally posted by Yodameister
Strix, 10,000 posts tells me that you are fairly happy with this forum :)
Who has 10,000 posts? :shocked: :suspect:

Does it not just tell you that I have too much to say for myself? :P :hihi:

Why would Rich even have to mention America, except for the fact that I live there? This is a country that does not willingly send out messages with the F word in it . In fact AOL censors it willingly. I am always on the lookout for these little digs against us. I thought I was talking Sheffielder to Sheffielder. I'm sure you can talk about stuff like the Jerry Springer show, but most Americans are appalled by it too. Don't paint a nationblack without you know it.

This isn't about America or the F word - I would, however, say that the F word turns up just as frequently on US based sites as UK sites - AOL may prune them just as the filters on thsi site does but AOL is not the only US ISP.

Please don't get in to a row about whether SF is anti-American or not - it's not terribly useful and isn't what this thread was supposed to be ablout.

So - Rich, buck - please desist.

Joe

Thanks JoeP, you're right. I don't know why it is but any time I try to post somebody gets all anti, and I react. If I even keep America out of the conversation it gets mentioned. Let me try to say something and hope it offends nobody. I live in a quiet community in Northern Connecticut made up of decent people of all races who maybe go to church or go on the river bank looking for a nice fat big mouth bass for supper. We hurt nobody. We aren't out to conquer the world, or even like the leaders some of us elect. We are lucky to live in a superb and beautiful and massive country with desert, meadow, and tundra
the like of which exists nowhere else with the kind of freedoms we have. If that offends, then I'm sorry, but I will defend to the death my right to it. Be warned if anyone thinks otherwise

Buck,

I haer what you say - and I don't think anyone on here would stop you saying it. But some may disagree with it, and if they disagree abusively then that's when we step in to take action, IF the offending posts are reported.

We moderate this Forum the way we do because we DO have some users who, if we didn't moderate, would threaten the way that other people use the Forum.

I dislike censorship and banning people; I don't like anti-Americanism, or any other -ism you can shake a stick at. But we do try and walk that line between allowing people to express themselves wiithout breaking teh rules of the Forum or the laws of England.

Joe

i dont know if anyone agrees,but do some people get away with being insulting on here ,whilst others get reprimanded for the slightest thing,why is it that whenever a good thread gets going it starts getting personal and the thread gets closed,what a shame:confused:

Once again Joe, thank you for your fairness

i agree..................

well **** off then









:)

I don't see the point in insulting anyone on messageboards, messageboards are for topical discussions. If someone is insulting then get rid of them, what does insults add to topics?

I'm against censorship but I understand why threads get removed when they result in name calling. Insults why???

Originally posted by melthebell
well **** off then









:) which way do we take that then:suspect:

Originally posted by roughy101
which way do we take that then:suspect:

notice the smiley face?

:)

Originally posted by roughy101
i dont know if anyone agrees,but do some people get away with being insulting on here ,whilst others get reprimanded for the slightest thing,why is it that whenever a good thread gets going it starts getting personal and the thread gets closed,what a shame:confused:

because everybody is different & has different values & thoughts wouldn't it be a boring world if we were all the same
even though i don't agree with everybody on here i don't think
i have ever insulted anybody
people have the right to say anything as long as they stick to the rules laid down by the service providers
you can get people talking together on a topic then individual
feelings & thoughts take over whilst some people will step back
& ponder or calm down other people will vent their feelings &
let rip thus inflaming the situation

it is a pity when a good thread gets pulled because of some
stupid comment often said in anger or frustration

Originally posted by melthebell
notice the smiley face?

:) yes i did,and i knew you were joking,lol,but thats what i mean,we all know how far to go and make sure we put the smiley or whatever on and everyone knows its banter,but on more serious threads i do believe some people are allowed to get away with a lot more than others:hihi: not mentioning any names.in other words are there (mod) oops teachers pets;)

Originally posted by melthebell
notice the smiley face?

:) do you think the mods should use thes smilies when closing threads or giving warnings to emphisise their point ?

Originally posted by depoix
do you think the mods should use thes smilies when closing threads or giving warnings to emphisise their point ?

lol for a second then i thought that said use their willies


erm

*goes back to the do you find dogs attractive thread*

Originally posted by depoix
do you think the mods should use thes smilies when closing threads or giving warnings to emphisise their point ? ok then is this how you want it to be, sorry depoix but after the insults you and shoeshine recieved from miniminch you are now banned for 48 hrs;) ;) ;)

this is slightly of thread i know but....

what really winds me up is when people do not have the ability to make their point they just tell someone that they are deluded..........Nothing annoys me more.

Why can't people write instead "i disagree with you because ......" on a few occassions people have told me i'm deluded or have used sarcasm because they are certain they are 100% correct. I beleive in my own opinions but i'm also aware that i may be wrong about things and i'm open to other viewpoints, thats why i come on here, and thats why i do not use the d word.

i beleive when threads are destroyed because they become arguing matches, both the person who was first insulting and the main arguer should get discaplined.

Originally posted by roughy101
ok then is this how you want it to be, sorry depoix but after the insults you and shoeshine recieved from miniminch you are now banned for 48 hrs;) ;) ;) ok ill get me coat:clap:

Originally posted by roughy101
ok ill get me coat:clap:

don't you think you'd better get out of those pjs first & get dressed:D

in my view, people should be allowed to express an opinion, but where is the need for abuse,? there isn't any really. but unfortuantely we don't live in a world where all people can respect the views of others for what they are, which is just someone being honest, saying what they think however misguided it may be. we don't have to agree. hell no! i have seen what i would view as some extreme and twisted opinions out there.

What does forum mean? (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/forum)

i just get annoyed when i find what is a realy good thread only to waste time surfing through post after post of abuse, back and forth. like a game of tennis.

as for the mods, i don't envy you, all i can say is that i think that you do a good job and that this forum is damn good. keep up the good work.

for all of those of you who may be abusive on posts, haven't you got something better to do? like breathing for example?

just a thought...

rant... of sorts now over, enjoy the rest of your evening everyone...

and stop playing with that banana

Originally posted by Appolo
don't you think you'd better get out of those pjs first & get dressed:D well i have never been so insulted in aaall my life:mad: i am the best dressed banana on here,your looking for a bunch of fyfes:clap: :clap:

Originally posted by roughy101
your looking for a bunch of fyfes:clap: :clap:

isnt that a town in scotland?

Originally posted by melthebell
isnt that a town in scotland?

I thought they made banana's :confused:

Originally posted by roughy101
well i have never been so insulted in aaall my life:mad: i am the best dressed banana on here,your looking for a bunch of fyfes:clap: :clap:

why you yellow skinned cowardly bananas you can only fight when theres a bunch of you:D

Originally posted by Appolo
why you yellow skinned cowardly bananas you can only fight when theres a bunch of you:D oh here we go again the custards started flying, you think im a slippery customer well im not and im not a yellow belly either:clap:

Hmmmm, have to agree with the original gripe here. I have reported a post (long ago now) where I was unhappy with the level of insult dished out to another user, but the mod who picked it up was happy the posters could deal with it amongst themselves.

I pointed out it was painting the wrong picture about SF to guests and newbies - and the decision was revised :thumbsup:

I think most of us regulars now know each other a little too well, and forget that we are not a cliquey little group with a private little corner of the world wide web all to ourselves - the rest of the world is watching our petty squabbles ;)

Originally posted by Strix
Hmmmm, have to agree with the original gripe here. I have reported a post (long ago now) where I was unhappy with the level of insult dished out to another user, but the mod who picked it up was happy the posters could deal with it amongst themselves.

I pointed out it was painting the wrong picture about SF to guests and newbies - and the decision was revised :thumbsup:

I think most of us regulars now know each other a little too well, and forget that we are not a cliquey little group with a private little corner of the world wide web all to ourselves - the rest of the world is watching our petty squabbles ;) oh my ugly sister has just appeared,lol,happy new year:thumbsup: iv forgot how to spell b*tch:clap:

I think that some people simple enjoy being insulting and putting others down due to their own inadequacies.
It makes them feel 'clever' to be rude and ignorant, even to people they don't know.
There is a big difference between people 'having a difference of opinion or trying to be amusing' and those who are being downright nasty.

I think there are some great threads on here and some real a**h**es who spoil them.

Fortunately they are in the minority.

Originally posted by roughy101
... iv forgot how to spell b*tch:clap:
Yeah, loads of people mistake us both for blokes :rolleyes:

(butch ;) ) :hihi:

Happy New Year, oh rough one :thumbsup:

Maybe I don't pay attention to what foes on half the time - I just read posts as posts.

mention the BNP and watch the thread killers swarm like bees to the honeytrap ;)

Originally posted by Strix
Yeah, loads of people mistake us both for blokes :rolleyes:

(butch ;) ) :hihi:

Happy New Year, oh rough one :thumbsup: as you know, i cant spell,but batch,bitch,botch,butch,oh im gonna get my coat:D

It's funny that this thread has been started, because I've been thinking all day about starting something similar.

Today alone, I've seen a few examples of over-zealous modding, where innocent threads have been pulled but, on the other hand, someone can post "WTF" over and over again and nothing is done about it.

This is supposed to be a family-friendly forum, but there's an awful lot that gets left that's far from family-friendly. I was trying to work out why this is, and was wondering how many of the Mods/Admin actually have children of their own, and would have first-hand understanding of what constitutes "family-friendly"?

Someone, maybe one of the Mods/Admin, might be able answer that question for me?

I think we can sometimes post something in haste.... but there is nothing like an apology to overcome it.... we sometimes over react in situations.... that is what makes us all individuals.

It also tells people about what is really inside us.

The Mods are not responsible for abuse.... only deleting it.

Originally posted by Ann_x
It's funny that this thread has been started, because I've been thinking all day about starting something similar.

Today alone, I've seen a few examples of over-zealous modding, where innocent threads have been pulled but, on the other hand, someone can post "WTF" over and over again and nothing is done about it.

This is supposed to be a family-friendly forum, but there's an awful lot that gets left that's far from family-friendly. I was trying to work out why this is, and was wondering how many of the Mods/Admin actually have children of their own, and would have first-hand understanding of what constitutes "family-friendly"?

Someone, maybe one of the Mods/Admin, might be able answer that question for me?

Just use the report a post button if you feel posts are inappropriate for a family forum

We're mods, not gods and, as such, are not omni-present.

Originally posted by max
Just use the report a post button if you feel posts are inappropriate for a family forum

We're mods, not gods and, as such, are not omni-present. Sorry Max, but isn't that just a standard response, which doesn't actually answer the points I've raised?

I know about the report this post button, but have actually noticed that Mods/Admin have actually posted on threads in which there has been unsuitable content for children, and some of those posts have been very near, if not over, the line IMO. Those are the type of threads to which I'm referring when I say they get left.

Originally posted by Ann_x

This is supposed to be a family-friendly forum, but there's an awful lot that gets left that's far from family-friendly. I was trying to work out why this is, and was wondering how many of the Mods/Admin actually have children of their own, and would have first-hand understanding of what constitutes "family-friendly"?

Someone, maybe one of the Mods/Admin, might be able answer that question for me?

But doesn't one need a partner of the same species and opposite sex to achieve this? :hihi: :hihi: :hihi: :hihi: :hihi: :o :D ;)

Where did my spit or swallow thread go? :suspect:
Talking of innocent posts being lifted???

Originally posted by Ann_x
Sorry Max, but isn't that just a standard response, which doesn't actually answer the points I've raised?

I know about the report this post button, but have actually noticed that Mods/Admin have actually posted on threads in which there has been unsuitable content for children, and some of those posts have been very near, if not over, the line IMO. Those are the type of threads to which I'm referring when I say they get left.

The same applies when a mod responds on a thread as a forummer not a mod. Site admin sets the rules and the mods do their best to implement them. However, it's up to all forummers to report when they think a post has gone over the top. If I post something, or contribute to a thread, which anyone considers inappropriate for a family forum then they should report it.

We have a band enough reputation as being over-censorious in some quarters so I stand by my contention that where it is NOT obvious that something is in-appropriate then report it.

could someone explain to me why my original post for this thread has been removed and changed,i didnt ask if the forum was overmoderated the question i asked was do some people get away with more than others on here with regards to being insulting,and do mods have favourits,i suppose this thread will also get pulled.

roughy101 - couldn't tell you, I didn't pull it. But here we go.

I explained above that soemtimes we cut slack - it's not playing favourites - it's analogous to the situations in a game of soccer where the referee orders 'play on' to keep the flow of the game smooth.

Other times, we will edit posts and pull them if we feel that things are just getting daft. There are a good half dozen posts further up this thread that are nothing to do with Moderating and all to do with bananas, for example, that we've left in the thread. Flow of the game. ;)

Don_Kiddick - you know as well as I do that if you post a thread with a provoicative title it's quite possible that we'll pull it. And the usual reason is that some people can't rise above teh humour of the playground.

Ann_x - if you really object, then report it. We'll do a judgement call on it. Sometiems a Mod may post inappropriately - if so, collectively we'll discuss it, and try and ensure it doesn't happen again. Sometiems we will get inappropriate postings from users, and the Mods will, in the same way, have quiet 'off the record' words with the posters about the threads. Believe it or not, things go on behind the scenes that only the Mdos and the posters concern ever know about - and that's the way it should be, unless someone really just won't take the message on board.

Joe

The thread has been merged with another and renamed "Moderating questions".

In answer to your question, no, there aren't any favourites. Newer members may get cut more or less slack depending on how they appear. IE, trolls get little sympathy, but inexperienced users may get more.

As for older members, well it really depends on that member. If they have a reputation for disruption or the like then again, we tend to nip things in the bud.

I can only reiterate Max's comment that we rely heavily on the members reporting things, especially when things get heated. It's pot luck if a mod sees things early. All reports are actioned in some way, even if it's 'No action' on checking it out. There are occasions where I guess we try to keep things on track, (BNP threads for example), but where they can get more heated because of the subject matter. There is sometimes a fine line between killing a thread and giving it its head.

There is little science about it I'm afraid, but on the whole I'm pleased with the way the Mod Team operates on a day to day basis. Like they say, it's a dirty job...!

And, like Tony, I too am on the whole happy with teh way the Moderating runs and also how the users of SF work with the Mods to help us along! :)

Anyway...back to the joys of programming.

Joe

Originally posted by roughy101
i was not critisising the way the forum is moderated i was asking why the topic has been totally changed,and why have some of my posts been removed,when they were neither disruptive, insulting or rude:thumbsup:

Originally posted by JoeP
And, like Tony, I too am on the whole happy with teh way the Moderating runs and also how the users of SF work with the Mods to help us along! :)

Anyway...back to the joys of programming.

Joe joe if you look back at the original post you will find i wasnt asking if mods were over moderating i was asking if some members were allowed to get away withj more than others when insulting people:thumbsup:

it seems a little like manipulating threads more than moding is what roughy may be trying to say,imho :thumbsup:

Originally posted by depoix
it seems a little like manipulating threads more than moding is what roughy may be trying to say,imho :thumbsup: imo this thread has been totaly hijacked and manifactured by modding,if a thread is going to be merged then peoples post should be left intact,my posts were neither offensive insulting or rude to anyone all they were ,were honest:thumbsup:

Originally posted by roughy101
i was not critisising the way the forum is moderated i was asking why the topic has been totally changed,and why have some of my posts been removed,when they were neither disruptive, insulting or rude:thumbsup:
None of your posts have been removed. Nothing has been changed. The thread was simply merged into another and the title changed to reflect the general subject of 'moderating questions'.

Edit: The link is here: http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?postid=829191#post829191

Originally posted by JoeP


Don_Kiddick - you know as well as I do that if you post a thread with a provoicative title it's quite possible that we'll pull it. And the usual reason is that some people can't rise above teh humour of the playground.


Joe
but the title reflected the issue, and drew people to view it, and was posted in I'm Really Bored - where I was told to stick to with ''my humour'' - as a deal to stop me hijacking threads.

On that particular occasion it was considered to be a bit prurient and an unsuitable title which was then reflected in the subsequent posts. We have better things to do with the limited moderating hours available than clean up after playground level humour.

You can't win 'em all Don. :)

Originally posted by roughy101
imo this thread has been totaly hijacked and manifactured by modding,if a thread is going to be merged then peoples post should be left intact,my posts were neither offensive insulting or rude to anyone all they were ,were honest:thumbsup:


We pulled together a couple of threads on Moderating policy in to one place. The thread has not been 'manipulated' (Depoix) or manufactured or hijacked.

The answers given are still valid, the poll still relevant.

And sometimes what you might consider to be 'honest' can be construed as insulting and abusive by other people - that's something else that we take on board when Moderating threads.

We've tried to answer various issues on Moderating here in general - I've said on this and other threads that we will not get in to 'personal' details about individual moderating decisions on these threads, but give soem insight in to why we do what we do.

You may recall that these sort of threads used to get pulled immediately - part of the reason there was the amount of time taken to comment on them and the number of times they just descended in to 'Mod Bashing' fests or debates about a particular decision by a particular Moderator on a particular thread..

If people can keep to general constructive criticism and keep the indicidual cases off the threads, it makes them more likely to survive and also makes them more useful for the majority of posters.

Seeing a thread like this just degenerate in to a series of chats between Moderators and posters with particular questions isn't that helpful.

Joe

Moving a thread from the incorrect category is one thing, but what on earth is changing the thread title all about ?

Mods do a great job on here ,but they are Mods and not Gods.

This sort of thing is overused in my opinion :rant:

Originally posted by youwhatref
Not at all. For something they do out of their own time they do a gret job. Maybe once or twice they do step in at the wrong time but i would prefer this than not at all and the forum attract the wrong types which can easily happen if left alone.

these threads always bring out the brown nose brigade:rolleyes:

For the most part the Mods do a grand job and i dont have a problem with them.

However, sometimes they go way over the top and pull/prune/edit things unnecessarily, and their automatic response either seems to be "This forum is not a right" or "Your thread was inappropriate", neither of which really help too much.

I apprechiate that it is a difficult job to do, as i do it myself on another forum, and its not easy deciding where to draw the line, but sometimes i feel that the mods are a bit too quick to draw this line, and i am frankly VERY surprised that this thread has survived so long....perhpas Joes "We do not debate moderating policy in public" has changed?

Originally posted by kirky
these threads always bring out the brown nose brigade:rolleyes:

You'd prefer just post after post criticising the mod team then rather than a balance of views?

Originally posted by venger
Moving a thread from the incorrect category is one thing, but what on earth is changing the thread title all about ?

Mods do a great job on here ,but they are Mods and not Gods.

This sort of thing is overused in my opinion :rant:

The merge was carried out and yes, the title got changed as part of the Merge. The software does that automatically, as far as I know - the merged threads take on board the title of the oldest thread in the merge.

I accept, possibly we got it wrong here. But, as is constantly pointed out, we're human. And the posts are still here, as is the post.

As for merging, well, I personally dislike it, but policy is to merge similar threads. A lot of users do start threads that are the same as existing ones and in thsoe cases we are frequently asked to merge them by other suers as well.

No need for a rant - just accept that occasionally we might make a decsioon that people dislike. You tell us, we take it on board. You rant at us, then the thread may end up getting pulled by someone who doesn't like being ranted at.

Joe

Originally posted by Avalon
F "We do not debate moderating policy in public" has changed?

These style of threads have been running for a while - pre-Xmas, someone creates one of these a month; everyone gets the questions answered. It gets closed, same thing the following month.

:)

Originally posted by Avalon
I apprechiate that it is a difficult job to do, as i do it myself on another forum, and its not easy deciding where to draw the line, but sometimes i feel that the mods are a bit too quick to draw this line, and i am frankly VERY surprised that this thread has survived so long....perhpas Joes "We do not debate moderating policy in public" has changed?

Given that this is the thrid of fourth such thread in the last couple of months, why is it a surprise?

AND, we still do not debate the policy - we explain it. Policy is set by the site owner. We may tweak it and take on board constructive criticism of HOW the policy is implemented, but that's all.

And, we're not debating individual instances of Moderating policy.

Nothing's change that much - just trying to be slightly more helpful. What HAS changed is that there have been fewer efforts on these threadfs to take pot-shots at Mods - that's what tended to get them pulled in the past.

This one does appear to have run it's course - perhaps it's time to close it later today. As was pointed out by Kentboy above, there'll be another along next month! :)

Joe

Originally posted by JoeP
Given that this is the thrid of fourth such thread in the last couple of months, why is it a surprise?


Joe

Perhpas i have been out of touch for too long!

Originally posted by max
You'd prefer just post after post criticising the mod team then rather than a balance of views? but max, when i started the thread i was not critisising the mods, its just been made to look that way,imo. the ? iasked as i have repeated at least three times was do some people get away with insulting people more than others:thumbsup:

Originally posted by roughy101
but max, when i started the thread i was not critisising the mods, its just been made to look that way,imo. the ? iasked as i have repeated at least three times was do some people get away with insulting people more than others:thumbsup:

Now, if you read this thread carefully, you'll see that there have been comments that, IMO, answer your question.

If someone is new, and doesn't know the ropes, we may cut them some slack.

If two 'old hands' are having a set to with each other, we may again cut some slack.

If it appears that two users are 'giving as good as they get' we may cut some slack.

Otherwise, we deal with everyone equally.

As I also pointed out above, the length of ban or other sanctions taken may also depend upon circumstances to a small degree - if someone retaliated after being insulted, we might cut them some slack. If soemone was just being objectionable and not contributing much else, then they might get a slightly heavier sanction applied.

We try to play fair.

Joe

Originally posted by JoeP
Now, if you read this thread carefully, you'll see that there have been comments that, IMO, answer your question.

If someone is new, and doesn't know the ropes, we may cut them some slack.

If two 'old hands' are having a set to with each other, we may again cut some slack.

If it appears that two users are 'giving as good as they get' we may cut some slack.

Otherwise, we deal with everyone equally.

As I also pointed out above, the length of ban or other sanctions taken may also depend upon circumstances to a small degree - if someone retaliated after being insulted, we might cut them some slack. If soemone was just being objectionable and not contributing much else, then they might get a slightly heavier sanction applied.

We try to play fair.

Joe as i said joe it was a question asked to have a debate on peoples behaviour,not on how mods operate,there was nt critisism there it just looks that way now as no ones answered the ? because the title has been changed:thumbsup:

Originally posted by roughy101
as i said joe it was a question asked to have a debate on peoples behaviour,not on how mods operate,there was nt critisism there it just looks that way now as no ones answered the ? because the title has been changed:thumbsup:

I must be being incredibly dim here 'cos as far as I'm concerned the question you raised has been answered, if by no-one else then certainly by me in my last post.

Originally posted by JoeP
I must be being incredibly dim here 'cos as far as I'm concerned the question you raised has been answered, if by no-one else then certainly by me in my last post. joe i dont think we are going to agree here,the point im trying to make is it wasnt a post i directed at moderators it was meant to be a debate on peoples opinions on how some people react to insults on the forum but the title was changed:thumbsup:

roughy you are banging your head against a brick wall

joe has answered as best he can,the next post will more than likely be.......use the contact us button.........from other mods

i can see your point of view in your question, but you can not expect the mods to say " yes " ok, some people get away with more than others........have you tried attending a few meets and brown nosing ? maybe that would increase your invulnaribility ?

it does at times seem like some people get more leway than others on here , im lucky i havent had a ban ,because i always rise when kiddie fiddlers are mentioned, i know im wrong to be so staunch in my views but it doesnt stop me posting

i think your question was right,i also believe joe has done his best to answer,but i think its wrong to manipulate threads so that you look like you posted a thread having a go at the mods when all you did was ask a fair question,so in my opinion this time the mods are wrong

a thread should be kept seperate or deleted if it doesnt suit,not shuffled around until it is made to suit

OK Jenny, I can see we'll have to agree to disagree. In that case, no more need be said on the issue by either of us! :)

Again, I've said that we may have made a mistake merging the threads. I don't intend getting in to a pointless dialogue about this - I think the thread has answered the vast majority of the questions and issues raised, despite the confusion some people seem to have suffered.

Joe

Originally posted by JoeP
OK Jenny, I can see we'll have to agree to disagree. In that case, no more need be said on the issue by either of us! :)

Again, I've said that we may have made a mistake merging the threads. I don't intend getting in to a pointless dialogue about this - I think the thread has answered the vast majority of the questions and issues raised, despite the confusion some people seem to have suffered.

Joe thanks joe,but once again you are left to admit what someone else did was maybe a mistake but at least we can rely on you to clear evaryone elses mess:clap: :clap:

Not a very fair poll when the goalkeeper is allowed to move the posts.

Originally posted by roughy101
thanks joe,but once again you are left to admit what someone else did was maybe a mistake but at least we can rely on you to clear evaryone elses mess:clap: :clap:

It's collective - we as Mods MAY have made an error in merging threads - some folks objected, others didn't....anyway....perhaps this is a good place to close this off, as I promised earlier on.

So...closing this one.

Thanks for the input, folks. Give us time to digest this lot before we do the same again!

Thank you,

Joe