the muppets outside the town hall protesting about the widening of the M1 at tinsley........don't these lefty do-gooders know the meaning of the word progress........do we have any of the said tree huggers on the forum?

Tree huggers and lefties are great, so be nice to them - we'll need them in the next ice age when we run out of dog food.

The Police should use water cannons - but only when it's really freezing. Baton rounds should be used in warm weather - along with loads of CS gas.

Lefty do gooders ruined this country....
Watch Kes and learn how teaching should be done..

i'm certainly one of them but I do agree that the money spent on widening the M1 is a waste of money and could be better spent on getting the public transport sorted out and re-priced so the average person can afford to use it.

Regarding pollution, well If it does make it worse then we can surely do without.

Me, in favour of abandoning the widening.

Only give driving licenses to people with at least a couple of O levels or GCSEs, that way all the scumbags would have to walk and the roads would be clear for the better people.

Also, rather than handing out bans that get ignored, stop uninsured, unlicensed and untaxed drivers from re-offending by cutting their hands and feet off.

I can think of other suggestions but I think my suggestions would be erased from the forum pretty quickly - they aren't anything like as liberal as the ones above.

Originally posted by Cycleracer
i'm certainly one of them but I do agree that the money spent on widening the M1 is a waste of money and could be better spent on getting the public transport sorted out and re-priced so the average person can afford to use it.

Regarding pollution, well If it does make it worse then we can surely do without.

Me, in favour of abandoning the widening.

public transport on the M1? oh yeah perhaps they could put a cycle lane on it aswell:rolleyes:

funny that cos I'm all in favour of widening it to 5 lanes each way right up to the viaduct and have a freeforall at J34 :)

Originally posted by Cycleracer
i'm certainly one of them but I do agree that the money spent on widening the M1 is a waste of money and could be better spent on getting the public transport sorted out and re-priced so the average person can afford to use it.

That's not really going to help the people using the M1 though. On the 27th I was queued right from J35 to J32 because of a bit of snow slowed the two lanes of traffic going over the viaduct, particularly in this day and age when many motorways have 4 lanes as standard.

Originally posted by Bartfarst
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Also, rather than handing out bans that get ignored, stop uninsured, unlicensed and untaxed drivers from re-offending by cutting their hands and feet off.

I would love to hear some more of your suggestions, I am on the same page mate

Ow - don't agree with me - I'm only doing this to see how much I can wind up the lefties and do-gooders.

I'd also like to see on-the-spot littering fines (among other offences) dealt with by armed street judges who dish out involuntary euthanasia, weekly public hangings of burglars and car thieves, and castration for sex offenders. Using pliers.

Originally posted by Bartfarst
Ow - don't agree with me - I'm only doing this to see how much I can wind up the lefties and do-gooders.

I'd also like to see on-the-spot littering fines (among other offences) dealt with by armed street judges who dish out involuntary euthanasia, weekly public hangings of burglars and car thieves, and castration for sex offenders. Using pliers.

But there are some good worthwhile ideas in that lot. If Blair gets some of them in, he'd cut down offending rates at a slash :)

I'd be interested to see the two sides of the argument here. What benefits will the widening have, in terms of average journey time saving, capacity benefits, enconomic benefits etc. Also what negatives - enviromental issues, safety issues, poor cost benefit ratio etc...

If there is a good case for doing it then I'm happy with that. However I do also think funding should be made available a the same time for improving the railway line between Sheffield and Leeds via Barnsley, such as upgrading the track with high quality continously welded rail, resignalling, improved junctions etc to improve capacity and line speed (maybe an increase from 70mph to 100mph?).

Originally posted by kirky
public transport on the M1? oh yeah perhaps they could put a cycle lane on it aswell:rolleyes:
Kirky...Kirky.. listen carefully, I will say this only once.

I dont suggest putting public transport on the M1, but to use the money to improve public transport.:loopy:
Some of the dosh could go to make cycle lanes though, thanks for reminding me.

NOTE: regarding cycle lane, not on the M1.:|

Originally posted by alchresearch
That's not really going to help the people using the M1 though. On the 27th I was queued right from J35 to J32 because of a bit of snow slowed the two lanes of traffic going over the viaduct, particularly in this day and age when many motorways have 4 lanes as standard. I understand your situation there but it will not make it any better.
Snarl ups on Motorways are getting worse and will continue to get worse.
Something has to be done to encourage people to use alternative transport such as the train.
the trouble is people don't like leaving the car at home and use an alternative and would rather constantly sit in traffic jams.
As a car driver myself, its the bumper to bumper snarl ups that plague our roads day in and day out and something has got to be done.
Building or widening roads will not solve the problem with the accumaltion of traffic.
I know train fares have gone up and thats doing nothing to help the problem.

Train fares have gone up, but not dramatically. A cheap day return from Sheffield to Leeds has gone up from £7 to £7.30 and a Standard day return has gone up from £8.90 to £9.25 return.

The service is frequent, with 4 trains per hour, 2 of which take less than an hour.

At Sheffield station there is ample car parking, and at Leeds buses to most parts of the city depart from the station front, and both stations have taxi ranks plus plenty of facilities to make the wait for the train reasonably pleasant.

Any further improvements to the timetable will require infrastructure investment.

Originally posted by Cycleracer

I dont suggest putting public transport on the M1

As a matter of interest, during public questions at the Council meeting yesterday, someone from Friends of the Earth did suggest that bus lanes should be put on the M1.

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/transport/story/0,9150,479765,00.html

Originally posted by Andy C
I do also think funding should be made available a the same time for improving the railway line between Sheffield and Leeds via Barnsley, such as upgrading the track with high quality continously welded rail, resignalling, improved junctions etc to improve capacity and line speed (maybe an increase from 70mph to 100mph?).
And also trains that don't feel like riding an enraged bull at a rodeo once they do over 30 mph.

I have not read the business case for the widening, but surely there can be little benefit gained from an expansion of the M1 in South Yorks that does not include the viaduct and other current / potential bottlenecks. This approach results in the transfer of bottlenecks from A to B without people actually getting from A to B any faster (see M25 for a pertinent case study)! Hence, any expansion should be part of a plan to expand the whole M1 to 5 lanes each way (not going to happen so why fiddle round the edges). The treehuggers have the logical ground in this debate- endless expansion is not an option - people will have to stop driving cars as much.

Although I don't consider myself a "tree hugger", I do know that I would rather hop on a train from Sheffield to Leeds in the morning than spend 90 minutes tapping my steering wheel alongside hundreds of single-occupancy morons who prefer their personal space, no fresh air, and less spending money. I know some people have to drive (much maligned rural folk etc) but don't try and tell me that more than 20% of commuters genuinely need to be in their car...

Originally posted by alchresearch
That's not really going to help the people using the M1 though. On the 27th I was queued right from J35 to J32 because of a bit of snow slowed the two lanes of traffic going over the viaduct, particularly in this day and age when many motorways have 4 lanes as standard.

I don't think it was just a bit of snow slowing down traffic on the viaduct.

On the 27th the traffic was stood on the M1 when I joined at J33 and it took me over 2 hours to get past Nottingham (and then another 4 hours to get to South Wales).

Originally posted by jfoe

Although I don't consider myself a "tree hugger", I do know that I would rather hop on a train from Sheffield to Leeds in the morning than spend 90 minutes tapping my steering wheel alongside hundreds of single-occupancy morons who prefer their personal space, no fresh air, and less spending money. I know some people have to drive (much maligned rural folk etc) but don't try and tell me that more than 20% of commuters genuinely need to be in their car...

At least in your car tapping your steering wheel you have a seat to do it in, - lots of rail commuters are not so fortunate. Standing on a rickety swaying train for nearly an hour isn't a lot of fun :(

And as you say widening the M1 without widening the Tinsley viaduct is sheer bloody-mindedness :rolleyes:

Originally posted by kirky
the muppets outside the town hall protesting about the widening of the M1 at tinsley........don't these lefty do-gooders know the meaning of the word progress........do we have any of the said tree huggers on the forum?

I don't usually feed trolls, but have you ever looked at the air quality stats for the Tinsley area? It's really quite noticable how bad it is if you try to cycle to Concorde sports centre from Meadowhall. Do we really need more asthmatic children in that area?

:) i think bike lanes r a gesture, the money should be spent on the tram system(extending it around the city centre), the city centre and small amounts of the surrounding areas should be closed to all other vehicles, deliverys should be made after dark,
old people move faster when going to catch trams;) fat people would get thin;) asthmatic people would breath etc, i`m babbaling ,very tired sorry:help:

Originally posted by Greybeard
At least in your car tapping your steering wheel you have a seat to do it in, - lots of rail commuters are not so fortunate. Standing on a rickety swaying train for nearly an hour isn't a lot of fun :(

I commute from Sheffield to Leeds 3 days a week and have only stood up once in 2 years; and I have only gone without a table seat a couple of times. I always get the Virgin train as it has tables where I can work (laptops not great in cars or on the rickety northerns). That said, I do have to adopt selfish commuting tactics learned in London to get a seat:

(a) never stand on the edge of the platform waiting nervously to see whether a door stops next to you. If you don't end up stood next to a door when the train has stopped, luckier platform edge people will impede your path to the door and you will end up at the back of a queue = without a seat :(. ALWAYS stand well back until the train is slowing right down and then move swiftly to a door as the train stops - time this right and you will always be 2nd or 3rd on the train
(b) when it is really busy, get on the first class door (where less people get off and less people get on) and walk through to second class (you will effectively be first on the carriage) - this is a bit rude but when you rely on getting 45 mins hours work done each way on the train (and claim this as payable work time) you have little choice when it is really busy
(c) always insist that people get out of the bloody way / move their bloody bags so that you can sit in "protected" seats (do people need two seats?) - given a choice of two seats I always choose the "protected" one

Originally posted by ptigga
I don't usually feed trolls, but have you ever looked at the air quality stats for the Tinsley area? It's really quite noticable how bad it is if you try to cycle to Concorde sports centre from Meadowhall. Do we really need more asthmatic children in that area?
Coz the problem in Tinsley has nothing to do with the static traffic belching out fumes beneath the viaduct does it? :rolleyes: The M1 just acts like a lid on the whole mess.

Before discussing widening, they should address the problem of the M18 trying to plough 2 lanes of traffic into 3 lanes of bumper to bumper traffic where it dumps it's load onto the M1, and the queue for the A57, rapidly followed by the uphill slog that results in lorries crawling past the services, having to pull over out of the way of joining lorries (from the services), and the rest of the traffic that isn't doing 30mph all trying to squeeze past in the remaining lane :rant:

Perhaps the bit between the M18 and the A57 should be painted the same way as the A57 to Hansworth stretch of the parkway? (where the sliproads form a separate extra lane)

And another thing....

.... there should be speed cameras to catch the berleeding idiots that constitute *adopt Royston Vasey tone* 'local traffic', who join the motorway at 40mph, without looking anywhere other than 2 inches infront of their own bonnet :rant:

And yes, it would work - but they would have to be cameras that recorded several seconds of motion to record the outcome after being triggered by these suicidal killers :suspect:

Originally posted by Andy C
Train fares have gone up, but not dramatically. A cheap day return from Sheffield to Leeds has gone up from £7 to £7.30 and a Standard day return has gone up from £8.90 to £9.25 return.

The service is frequent, with 4 trains per hour, 2 of which take less than an hour.

At Sheffield station there is ample car parking, and at Leeds buses to most parts of the city depart from the station front, and both stations have taxi ranks plus plenty of facilities to make the wait for the train reasonably pleasant.

Any further improvements to the timetable will require infrastructure investment.

Commuters from Elsecar say hello as the train goes by without stopping

Originally posted by erb666
:) i think bike lanes r a gesture, the money should be spent on the tram system(extending it around the city centre), the city centre and small amounts of the surrounding areas should be closed to all other vehicles, deliverys should be made after dark,
old people move faster when going to catch trams;) fat people would get thin;) asthmatic people would breath etc, i`m babbaling ,very tired sorry:help:

hippy do-gooder:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: leave the bike at home and take the car keep the windows up and bobs ya uncle..no poluted air in ya lungs...not hard is it:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Originally posted by sheffbag
Commuters from Elsecar say hello as the train goes by without stopping

do you ever use the off licence near the station? if so next time your in say to the bloke...kirky says hello:D :D :D

Originally posted by kirky
the muppets outside the town hall protesting about the widening of the M1 at tinsley........don't these lefty do-gooders know the meaning of the word progress........do we have any of the said tree huggers on the forum? Nice to hear we won't be having them two poxy lanes either way on the viaduct... the hold up does go all the way to' parkway and traffic slows down a fair bit as you enter the M1 coming from the M18, needs 5 lanes between M18 and exists 33 and 31 to give traffic time to settle in its lane and get lorries to the far left side.

Well I commute by train from Elsecar to Leeds and the service is so pathetic that if i could drive and afford a car I'd buy one tomorrow!

All SYPTE/Northern Rail are concerned about are Sheffield and Barnsley commuters - anyone commuting from the smaller stations has to make do with one train an hour which diverts via Castleford and thus takes 20 minutes longer than it need do. It's usually crowded, often late and you can't even get a connection to change at Barnsley for the fast train, as SYPTE decided that Sheffield-Barnsley-Huddersfield trains should stop at every station EXCEPT Elsecar!


And the irony is that I work in the rail industry myseklf....

Originally posted by kirky
hippy do-gooder:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: leave the bike at home and take the car keep the windows up and bobs ya uncle..no poluted air in ya lungs...not hard is it:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
dont have a bike, have a car, but do walk to most places. do you ? even the off licence ?:suspect:

Originally posted by marinedrift
Lefty do gooders ruined this country....
Watch Kes and learn how teaching should be done..
Not quite on topic but when I watched Kes as a kid still at school, we all thought the school in the film was posh, they had showers after games and non of the teachers seemed at all homicidal.

Originally posted by kirky
the muppets outside the town hall protesting about the widening of the M1 at tinsley........don't these lefty do-gooders know the meaning of the word progress........do we have any of the said tree huggers on the forum? lefty do-gooders........ ive never been called that b4.... tree huggers .... yep im one of those.... i lv trees.... but i was not at this town hall protest.... what is a good price for progress? I dont have a car, i walk or use the bus/train when i need to... endless expansion is not an option long live the protesters...:clap:

we keep hearing talk about what to do with the cooling towers adjacent to the M1

Maybe they should build the new motorway lanes around them creating the worlds largest roundabouts !!!!



People claim those responsible for our infrastructure are always going around in circles so maybe its a possibility"""

keep smiling

Crikey. Can you imagine all of the extra on-going repairs that would almost certainly have to take place on top of all the ones being done at the moment? Ever since the viaduct was built, it has been under constant repair etc. when I was a boy, my dad told me that it had originally been constructed on the cheap, and that is what has lead to what we see today. I say "Don't bother widening", otherwise there will be more traffic trying to get to MeadowHELL.