Does any person have a photo of a back court e.g. 3 in court 1 Franklin Street, Sheffield ( Eccleshall Bierlow ), Thanks

There are photographs of Franklin Street, Sharrow, and, particularly the OLD cross-guns pub that stood there, on Picture Sheffield.

I don't know if thephotos themselves go back as far as 1901, but they are certainly photographs of buildings that were there from 1901 and before...?

Would that be any help?

PT

I've had many a pint in the Cross Guns on a sunday and a game of dominoes.

I've had many a pint in the Cross Guns on a sunday and a game of dominoes. Iknow this is going away from the ? but would that have been the original one or the one they built after knocking down all the terraced houses down.Reason i ask is because i was born on washington road and well remember my dad and all his mates going in , and the away days on the {charabang}to cleethorpes great times.

I've had many a pint in the Cross Guns on a sunday and a game of dominoes.

Can you remember any of the regulars names that used to
drink in there?

Heras a few I remember, Ron Kelly. charlie bones, frank white, frank bramall, frank and idris marples, chris toomey,stan white,there was also a chap called bob cant recall his second name but was big mates with ron and charlie could often be seen all rolling home together

Can remember being in the boy scouts at Sharrow Lane church opposite the Franklin which was just up from the Cross Guns. They were about to close it down before knocking it down so I went in and bought a load of the old pint glasses for 3d each. Still got them 40 years or so later. They all are marked with GR on them. If I remember right the houses on the left as you went from Sharrow lane had front and back doors but the houses on the right were back to backs and therefore had courts behind them. Had some good friends who lived on Franklin Street. We all seemed to go our seperate ways when we took our eleven plus at Sharrow Lane School.

We lived on Priory Terrace,my younger brothers Len and Brian Kay,Brian Nicholson,Maurice Elliott and his wife Dolly. there son Pete,played the piano at various pubs in south Sheffield,Jack Glossop. Same lot used to go in the Washington owned by a cripple,name escapes me,that was our snooker pub.

All in the 40s and 50s.

I lived on Fentonville st late 1950's to early 60's . I think I had relations on franklin St.
I went to Sharrow Lane school , also the cubs .

I remember the Cross guns pub as a young lad. I used to go there on a Sunday dinner time with my friend who was going for a jug of mild for his Dad from the'Jug and bottle' section. The landlord had a grown up son who suffered from Parkinsons (did'nt know this at the time)and he liked to stand outside the pub and watch the world go by. He was well known to all the school kids going to Sharrow Lane school. This was in the 30's of course.

The 30's was before my time (being born 1947) but the structure was still the same.
Only just be coming a new member, I initially broused 152 pages of entries to see if anything caught my eye.
The majority had dates 4 or 5 years old, I was supprised at the responce that I received to my entries.

It's been a couple of decades since I lived in Sheffield and sometime since I lived in the U.K. But I'm still proud of have coming from Sheffield.

Ilived on club garden road just round corner
spent a lot of time exploring Franklin street when people moved out
every house seemed to have a piano we had a big bonfire that year then scrap man came and took all remains away
i also went to cubs at sharrow st johns
and sharrow lane school

Hi Manxbiker,
What year(s) are we talking about , As I mentioned I also went to the cubs at st John's ( oposite side of the road to Sharrow Lane school & before washington Road ((trafic lights)))also Sharrow Lane school up to the age of 11 aprox 1958.

i was born 1954 so it would have been later than you

Manxbiker,
Slight diferrent in ages, we new the same places but a different age group.
It was good to talk.
I only can remember the Flints and possible Garton's living on Franklin st.
I remember the shops at the top end of Club Garden oposite the school.
Take care have a good day.

Ilived on club garden road just round corner
spent a lot of time exploring Franklin street when people moved out
every house seemed to have a piano we had a big bonfire that year then scrap man came and took all remains away
i also went to cubs at sharrow st johns
and sharrow lane school

Hi Manxbiker,
What year(s) are we talking about , As I mentioned I also went to the cubs at st John's ( oposite side of the road to Sharrow Lane school & before washington Road ((trafic lights)))also Sharrow Lane school up to the age of 11 aprox 1958.

You two would be heartbroken, if you saw the state of the old Sharrow Saint John's Church building, now.

It closed down as a church in its centenary year (the upper building of the two was opened in 1906/7) and is extremely dilapidated and overgrown these days.

I haven't been inside the "sanctuary" for some years (not since I and my ex hubby were caretakers there) but I have been told that the ceiling collapsed about 2 years ago.

There was rampant dry-rot all through the building, and the central heating system was ripped out and sold for scrap, many years ago.

It was a lovely building in its heyday, and it's sad to think that it is in such a sorry state, now.

i was born 1954 so it would have been later than you

Christ, your initials are AC aren't they ?

Christ, your initials are AC aren't they ?

Wouldn't Christ's initials be JC
All you Sharrow boys, do you remember the Sunderland Social club

yes they are AC ALLAN C

You two would be heartbroken, if you saw the state of the old Sharrow Saint John's Church building, now.

It closed down as a church in its centenary year (the upper building of the two was opened in 1906/7) and is extremely dilapidated and overgrown these days.

I haven't been inside the "sanctuary" for some years (not since I and my ex hubby were caretakers there) but I have been told that the ceiling collapsed about 2 years ago.

There was rampant dry-rot all through the building, and the central heating system was ripped out and sold for scrap, many years ago.

It was a lovely building in its heyday, and it's sad to think that it is in such a sorry state, now.

I have not been to Sheffield for sometime, everywhere was under drastic changes the last time I visited.
I was born on Meadow Steet S3 1947, I went to Netherthorpe school, infants. The supertram was just coming into operation the last time I was in Sheffield just as a visit.
We moved to the Sharrow area, which was my main home for growing up.

It's scary what they have done to the place.

Time stands still for no man, but to me it was a lot friendlier place (when growing up)

No problems walking the streets returning from the picture house (Abbeydale)
or the one on Ecclesall Road (I think that was called the Star, picture house) eating (Sheffield) fishcake & chips on the way home.

Can remember being in the boy scouts at Sharrow Lane church opposite the Franklin which was just up from the Cross Guns. They were about to close it down before knocking it down so I went in and bought a load of the old pint glasses for 3d each. Still got them 40 years or so later. They all are marked with GR on them. If I remember right the houses on the left as you went from Sharrow lane had front and back doors but the houses on the right were back to backs and therefore had courts behind them. Had some good friends who lived on Franklin Street. We all seemed to go our seperate ways when we took our eleven plus at Sharrow Lane School.

I lived on Fentonville St 2 roads up from Washington Rd. I did have family on Franklin St & I went to Sharrow Lane school, leaving the area about 1962.
My paper round included Washington road ,pearl St, top end of Sharrow Lane towards Nether Edge.

Can remember being in the boy scouts at Sharrow Lane church opposite the Franklin which was just up from the Cross Guns. They were about to close it down before knocking it down so I went in and bought a load of the old pint glasses for 3d each. Still got them 40 years or so later. They all are marked with GR on them. If I remember right the houses on the left as you went from Sharrow lane had front and back doors but the houses on the right were back to backs and therefore had courts behind them. Had some good friends who lived on Franklin Street. We all seemed to go our seperate ways when we took our eleven plus at Sharrow Lane School.

Hello Gordonb,
This thread has been revived again today and I was looking at the previous posts. From what you say, I think I may know you. Have you got a sister called Vicky and did your grandparents live on Thorp Road?

I remember playing marbles on the cobbles outside the Cross Guns on my way home from Sharrow Lane school.I was at the junior school from 1946-50.My sister started school there in the infants in 1948 and my mother taught there 1948-62.Mates I remember were Malcolm Hurt,Graham Ormesher,Michael Turner,Jimmy Green,Philip Lawson,Graham Jowett and a lad called Marcus whose parents had a corner shop the other side of London Road.Does anyone remember a temporary teacher,Mr Willey who was bald with a cyst on top of his head.He had a speech impediment in which he could only pronounce s as sh ,so we all got up from our seats to get him to shout his version of "sit in your seats"

We lived on Priory Terrace,my younger brothers Len and Brian Kay,Brian Nicholson,Maurice Elliott and his wife Dolly. there son Pete,played the piano at various pubs in south Sheffield,Jack Glossop. Same lot used to go in the Washington owned by a cripple,name escapes me,that was our snooker pub.

All in the 40s and 50s.
Hello Floriblade
Did you have a brother Dereck and sisters Margaret and Teresa if so i went to school with
them St.Matthias.
Cheers
Yorkyhells

I tell this story but I don't think many people believe it but it's absolutely true. My two younger brothers were coming out of the Cross Guns one Sunday bth in Army uniform, the oldest Len has just finished national service and the younger one Brian had just started 3 years. Neither had their berets on when a TA captain saw them and asked why they didn't salute. Len said , " shut thi mouth orall throw thee in't static watter tank ". The Captain unfortunately had a woman with him so he had to stand his ground and shouted, " stand to attention when you talk to an officer ". Brian and Len picked him up and carried him to the static water tank on Wostenholme Rd and threw him in. I often think about that incident and wonder what the Officer was thinking probably wasn't in fact, but one things for sure I bet he didn't try that on again.

Yorkyhells, yes I did, Derek died a couple of years ago Margaret and Tess are both doing well. Tess lives in Ekington and Margaret near Meadowhead. I went to St. Matthias for my last year and so did the two brothers in the story above.

Yorkyhells, I used to post as Floridablade.

Yorkyhells, I used to post as Floridablade.

Hi 911wasalie
Very sorry to hear about Dereck the last time i saw him was in the Chantrey pub
Woodseats i'm glad to hear that Tess and Margaret are both well my sister Jaqueline Hellewell was their school mate,do you by any chance have any school photos of St. Matthias i had two photos published in the Star a classroom photo
with Margaret and Tess in it and school football team with Dereck.
Cheers
yorkyhells

Hi 911wasalie
Very sorry to hear about Dereck the last time i saw him was in the Chantrey pub
Woodseats i'm glad to hear that Tess and Margaret are both well my sister Jaqueline Hellewell was their school mate,do you by any chance have any school photos of St. Matthias i had two photos published in the Star a classroom photo
with Margaret and Tess in it and school football team with Dereck.
Cheers
yorkyhells

Yes Derek became a heavy drinker due I think to his young child dying when she got hold of some pills and died. He was a very good cabinet maker but there was more money to made from shuttering so that's what he did. I liked Derek, he had a very good outlook on life but for that tragedy, which shattered him beyond measure, he would have done very well.

I have no photos of St Mathias, sorry, I left Sheffield in 1958 and never went back but I'll contact Magaret and Teresa and see what they have and tell them about this forum, they may contact you.

Have you a link to those photo's I'd be very interested to see them.

Hi Thorpy, sorry for the delay, just moved house closer to Sheffield and everything seems to have gone adrift. No I didn't have a sister called Vicky or any Grandparents who might fit your description. I lived on Priory Place just along Wostenholm Road hence going to the Sharrow St Johns Cubs who were the 139th if I remember correctly. Also attended Sharrow Lane School so knew loads of kids on Franklin Street, Club Garden etc.
Not sure where they all went when they pulled down Franklin Street

Hi Thorpy, sorry for the delay, just moved house closer to Sheffield and everything seems to have gone adrift. No I didn't have a sister called Vicky or any Grandparents who might fit your description. I lived on Priory Place just along Wostenholm Road hence going to the Sharrow St Johns Cubs who were the 139th if I remember correctly. Also attended Sharrow Lane School so knew loads of kids on Franklin Street, Club Garden etc.
Not sure where they all went when they pulled down Franklin Street

Hi Gordonb, thanks for replying. The Gordon B. that I knew was a bit younger than me and used to come to visit his Grandad and Grandma, who lived in our yard.( I was wondering if he had any old photos of them). He lived on Ashley Rd.(sp?) which ran parallel to Franklin Street, and like me went to Sharrow Lane Infants & Juniors.

Hi Thorpy, sorry for the delay, just moved house closer to Sheffield and everything seems to have gone adrift. No I didn't have a sister called Vicky or any Grandparents who might fit your description. I lived on Priory Place just along Wostenholm Road hence going to the Sharrow St Johns Cubs who were the 139th if I remember correctly. Also attended Sharrow Lane School so knew loads of kids on Franklin Street, Club Garden etc.
Not sure where they all went when they pulled down Franklin Street

Howdy all....this is my first post.....Please stick with it as I find my way around the layout of the site....// I am interested in any contacts..and history/photos of Franklin Street... I am David Johnson,d.o.b. 1946...I went to Sharrow Lane School./Then Newfield school/..Sharrow St.Johns....Sunday school./.Cubs./.scouts./.scout band./.youth club./.I lived at the 'open all hours' off licence shop on the corner of Salmon Street/Franklin St.//John Root.? Clive Bradshaw.?.Peter Kirk.? Tony Parks.? John Woodthorpe.? Mick Grayson.? John Wood from Foxholes Lodge at Rivelin,is a longshot,but you never know.. It would be great to hear from old friends...Cheers,DJ.

Hi David - welcome to the Forum! As Plain Talker wrote in post #2 there are a few photos of Franklin Street on the picture.sheffield site - here is a sample (http://www.picturesheffield.com/cgi-bin/picturesheffield.pl?_cgifunction=form&_layout=picturesheffield&keyval=sheff.refno=s21544)..:)

[QUOTE=hillsbro;7102130]Hi David - welcome to the Forum!

:)Gotcha'..- hillsbro.-.thanks a lot for that speedy reply....As I understand it then......the comment that is 'replied to'....is contained in the box ? above the message of the person who is replying / or continuing with the 'thread'.... I will grasp the format after sending this next text.... many thanks for the photo link... thats just what I am hoping for... Cheers from .. DJ.

Howdy all....this is my first post.....Please stick with it as I find my way around the layout of the site....// I am interested in any contacts..and history/photos of Franklin Street... I am David Johnson,d.o.b. 1946...I went to Sharrow Lane School./Then Newfield school/..Sharrow St.Johns....Sunday school./.Cubs./.scouts./.scout band./.youth club./.I lived at the 'open all hours' off licence shop on the corner of Salmon Street/Franklin St.//John Root.? Clive Bradshaw.?.Peter Kirk.? Tony Parks.? John Woodthorpe.? Mick Grayson.? John Wood from Foxholes Lodge at Rivelin,is a longshot,but you never know.. It would be great to hear from old friends...Cheers,DJ.


Hi there oscar,what were the names of your mum and dad. I remember going in "The Corner Shop" I lived on Washington Road and went to the schools you mention,although i am slightly younger than you.The thing i remember most about the chap who had corner shop was he had web fingers,had never seen them before and being only young ,well you know. Hope you have luck getting in touch with old friends.

[QUOTE=thai;7103162]Hi there oscar,what were the names of your mum and dad. I remember going in "The Corner Shop" I lived on Washington Road and went to the schools you mention,although i am slightly younger than you.

Howdy Thai..Thanks for your text..My dad did indeed have 4 fingers on each hand...his two middle fingers were ' joined' rather than webbed... and to us..(family) was nothing out of the ordinary. He was never handicapped by this at all, in fact his woodwork and drawing skills were better than most. We had the shop from around 1959 untill the demolition ...63 ?? ish ? They were Evelyn and George..Johnson. He had a motorbike and sidecar./. Washington road you say..? then did you know Linda Firth.. who married Peter Mosley.? /and did you have your hair cut with 'Horace Hull' the barber ? cor blimey... used to sit ages waiting for "next" ...Cheers mate ,,DJ. :)

Hi David - I have the 1968 Kelly's Directory (compiled in 1967) and it still shows "Mrs E. Johnson, grocer" at No 77; I imagine this was around the time of the demolition. Other occupants of Franklin Street are not shown in the directory, just the numbers of the "courts" so I imagine they were back-to-back houses. Horace Hull is shown at 41 Sharrow Street.

Hi David - I have the 1968 Kelly's Directory (compiled in 1967) and it still shows "Mrs E. Johnson, grocer" at No 77; I imagine this was around the time of the demolition. Other occupants of Franklin Street are not shown in the directory, just the numbers of the "courts" so I imagine they were back-to-back houses. Horace Hull is shown at 41 Sharrow Street.

that address (41 Sharrow Street) is on the section that backs onto London Road (the odd numbers run on the left with your back to the town.

It's this house with the fallen-down Wales flag in the window:
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Sharow+Street+Sheffield&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=19.196147,39.506836&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Sharrow+St,+Sheffield,+United+Kingdom&ll=53.369158,-1.478519&spn=0.009436,0.01929&t=h&z=16&layer=c&cbll=53.36907,-1.478442&panoid=00aUlJ6ykzmUrxTZH2olZw&cbp=12,52.26,,0,4.63

Hi David - I have the 1968 Kelly's Directory (compiled in 1967) and it still shows "Mrs E. Johnson, grocer" at No 77; I imagine this was around the time of the demolition. Other occupants of Franklin Street are not shown in the directory, just the numbers of the "courts" so I imagine they were back-to-back houses. Horace Hull is shown at 41 Sharrow Street.

Thanks for your message hillsbro... I'll get back to you later... I was replying to your message .. and everything suddenly got deleted... I could be hitting a wrong key or something.... or is a time limit in force ? on how long we can upload reply messages ? will be back.. cheers DJ.

Hope this could be of interest to some of you posting on this thread.
I was at Sharrow Lane 1951 - 58.
I remember Linda Firth who has been mentioned, a really good looking lass.

Did the Barber mentioned have a son Alan ?

I have a photo of a pantomine cast, Christmas 1954. There are both junior 1's and 2's on there, including Linda Firth. PM me please if you would like a copy.

There were many Franklin St lads at Sharrow Lane, but the only name I can remember was Mervyn Nichols.

Does anyone remember Barry Hall and his sister Linda, they lived on Washington Road near to the traffic lights at the Sharrow Lane junction. Their Mom was my cousin. I would like to contact Barry if possible.

Hi, I believe Barry and Linda Hall lived at 102 Washington Rd. I also attended Sharrow Lane School 1941- 52 and knew a lot of local lads, I remember Tony Glaves and he had an older brother they lived on Franklin St. I remember the following local lads some of whom may have lived on Franklin St. but certainly in the vicinity- Brian Chapman, John Wade, Roy Robinson and lots of others on neighbouring streets: David Foster, Ronnie Hibberd, Peter Wainwright, Brian Milner, Roy Powell, Michael Green and Michael Glossop.

Hi David - I have the 1968 Kelly's Directory (compiled in 1967) and it still shows "Mrs E. Johnson, grocer" at No 77; I imagine this was around the time of the demolition. Other occupants of Franklin Street are not shown in the directory, just the numbers of the "courts" so I imagine they were back-to-back houses. Horace Hull is shown at 41 Sharrow Street.
Howdy..hillsbro' Thanks for your info'...Funny.. I too have a 1968 Kelly's.and as you point out my Mother, as licensee of the beer off' is listed on Franklin st..no more names are mentioned.only the courts..which is a pity cos' I would be able to recall so many memories./.Henry White builders yard and the Franklin pub also mentioned. There was another small shop along the street too, open shorter hours than us...we knew it as 'Sidebottoms'..or 'Smalls' Then of course Horace Hull..the Barber...thanks again for your input. DJ.

Hope this could be of interest to some of you posting on this thread.
I was at Sharrow Lane 1951 - 58.
I remember Linda Firth who has been mentioned, a really good looking lass.

Did the Barber mentioned have a son Alan ?

I have a photo of a pantomine cast, Christmas 1954. There are both junior 1's and 2's on there, including Linda Firth. PM me please if you would like a copy.

There were many Franklin St lads at Sharrow Lane, but the only name I can remember was Mervyn Nichols.

Does anyone remember Barry Hall and his sister Linda, they lived on Washington Road near to the traffic lights at the Sharrow Lane junction. Their Mom was my cousin. I would like to contact Barry if possible.

Hello..Runningman..DJ.here..yes I remember 'Alan Hull' Horace the barber's Son..he was at School with me...and Linda Firth married 'Peter Mosley' from Franklin St.// I was born in 46 so I would be at Sharrow Lane same time as you ? I would certainly love to see the pantomime cast picture you have,,what's a PM ? private message ??? let me know please and I'll get back to you..thanks for your input..DJ.