Such a shame, even tho Me and vickie had our little input there, it is a shame that the pub will be closing down on Jan 28 due to being sold off to yet another business development company to turn into offices, (same company who took over Griffin)

Best wishes to Martine (Eric_The_Man) and Shelly in there new ventures, a pitty that the brewery could have seen this pub as a going concern and therefor it could still have been a viable pub in the community, however as always the people of Ecclesfield will suffer yet again a disposal of another good local. :(

To be fair the bear was closed for 6 months before.
It was re-opened on June 20th and was run for a month with a manager (solely on his own for Roger) before us four took over and spent the hours and time decorating the place to what it is now, but you would think the fact that we did £7 short of £3000 in our third week (we left on the 4th) and the apparent increase in business since we left back in September, would make the brewery think that they have a proffitable business on thier hands.

Ecclesfield square had four public houses, sadly looking as though it will go down to two.
Let's just hope The Black Bull does not go the same way

Oh for **** sake.

Nowt like killing the village is their.

What crap news. Thought they'd done a good job of bringing the pub on, but obviously not.

Not the best/nicest pub, but at least it was another option.

Shocking.

Property values will rise in Ecclesfield as its reputation improves.
an "olde worlde" village like this should never have had to suffer the behaviour of loonies attracted to "the square" on an evening.
This area has been blighted for too long with broken glass all over outside and disgusting behaviour.

The local residents will be delighted. :clap: :clap: :clap:

well i do have to say im not at all suprised that it is closing down...i think the wrong people have been running the pub for Rodger..it was only a matter of time?i have wondered what the managemant at present will do when its closed.....maybe a little modelling perhaps...or maybe he/she will go round the corner and manage the Black Bull....anyone want a bet on how many weeks it will be before the Bull closes too?


its a shame but it was inevitable....:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

Sorry 29th Jan not the 28th

Property values will rise in Ecclesfield

Totally agree, act now before they do.

Mod. Note

I've removed some postings from this thread because they were potentially libellous or might have bearing on legal matters.

If there is any other information about the closure of the pub, fine.

But if the users concerned wish to carry on with the bickering and accusations then I'll close the thread.

Thanks,

Joe

Yes a wise move, however I would have liked my response to have had the same airtime and views, however I made my point

well i fink its just pants innit. :mad:
not only is it bad 4 the people in eccelsfield, its bad 4 the staff who enjoy workin there.
woteva next?????

wat happened to george didnt he used to run it?

Originally posted by sue180
wat happened to george didnt he used to run it?

George left in January 2005 then the pub was closed until late June

It is not a great surprise that the White Bear is about to close yet again but this time; it seems, for the last time. This demonstrates again that operating and managing a pub is far from an easy task with the necessary crippling overheads that are made even worse by the vastly inflated fees charged by others providing services to the pub trade who think they are indispensable. With the challenges facing the pub industry at present it is a certainty that many other pubs will follow in the footsteps of the White Bear.

Originally posted by freespirit
It is not a great surprise that the White Bear is about to close yet again but this time; it seems, for the last time. This demonstrates again that operating and managing a pub is far from an easy task with the necessary crippling overheads that are made even worse by the vastly inflated fees charged by others providing services to the pub trade who think they are indispensable. With the challenges facing the pub industry at present it is a certainty that many other pubs will follow in the footsteps of the White Bear.


Totally agree, as with these type of pubs, Brewerys ask extortionate rent, then there's business rate, gas and electric is charged at a higher rate than domestic customers are, and then the brewerys want you to purchase only thier product at a higher rate than as such as Beer Express etc, on top of this if you employ someone such as Bar Staff you have to make sure they are adequately insured along with the general public that visit your premises. and all this before you get anyone in your pub.

Then we get to "how do we get people into the pub" let's take SKY for example, they charge 10 times more than a home domestic user, these days most people tend to be enticed into venues that have entertainment on, which has to be paid for as the entertainer has his/her runing costs of his/her own, all across the entertainment industry people charge various fee's.

More the case of the owners of the pub, a well known pub company, selling it to a private company to develop, rather than the pub going under because it hasn't been doing too well.

Whenever you are renting a pub, as most publicans are, you are at the mercy of the pub company and what they plan to do. If you're lucky then you have a long lease that simply has annual rent reviews, if you're unlucky then you have a short term one and anything could happen after that. I've had two pubs with short leases and the sword of Damacles is forever hanging over your head. You're always waiting for the phone call from the brewery to tell you what your future will hold.

What also happens with some pub patrons as well is that they can really make a good go of running the place, and ingratiate themselves well with the locals and people who regularly go in the pub, and then the Brewery will hike the rent up so much that the couple can no longer afford it...

They did it to Mick and Cath that had the Crown and Glove (Top House) near us last year, and got some useless muppet in instead who instantly put the beer prices up, didn't do sandwiches on quiz nights like they used to, and changed the format of the quiz itself making it too hard... :loopy:

Consequently hardly anyone goes in nowadays, most of the regulars stopped, even we stopped going, we're regulars for the quiz in the Robin Hood nowadays on a Wednesday night.

well from reading these reports i am interested in how you are such good man for giving concern for the pub as i saw the brilliant changes from the white bear. it is a real disapointment for the people as for Martine and shelly which i guess they are the runners of the pub. i have give them the best wishes and hope they keep there heads up high and give them all the support that you are also showing to give. I hope they take on another pub such as one local and make it a success.

Sad to hear about the White Bear closing down. Ex-girlfriend is from Ecclesfield so had a few nights out round there - did someone say another boozer in the square had shut as well???

It wasn't a bad nightout round Ecclesfield but i always thought the best two boozers were the Travellers (before it turned into a young persons boozer:) and the one further up on the right on the way to Chap, can't remember the name of it. Have to say i preferred supping round High Green though.

sorry to hear about white bear closing. used to go in quite a bit when the square was more like magaluf !!!! though in hindsight must have been bad for the locals. Nail in coffin when griffin closed i think....will be more like acorn antiques down there now

Well hope fully you all go and have one last drink! i know i am. good luck to the Landlords :thumbsup:

Originally posted by told_pinz
Well hope fully you all go and have one last drink! i know i am. good luck to the Landlords :thumbsup:

I'll be DJing there tomorrow night. Good night to come down and have one!

Hey, its just occurred to me that I'll need to start thinking of where to move my Ecclesfield rock and roll operation to on a Friday night. Any suggestions anyone?

Originally posted by Classic Rock
I'll be DJing there tomorrow night. Good night to come down and have one!

Hey, its just occurred to me that I'll need to start thinking of where to move my Ecclesfield rock and roll operation to on a Friday night. Any suggestions anyone?

why not dempseys at bottam of moor then you have not got far to trek your dj tackle

That's an interesting choice of venue. Do you think they're into rock music there? :suspect:

Originally posted by Classic Rock
That's an interesting choice of venue. Do you think they're into rock music there? :suspect:

only tried to get in once with a couple of mates but was told to use theback entrance :nono:

Originally posted by subliminal
only tried to get in once with a couple of mates but was told to use theback entrance :nono:

Oh dear :shakes:

Sad homophobic jokes used to be a thing of the past

So whats the latest on the bear closing?

Originally posted by D2J
Oh dear :shakes:

Sad homophobic jokes used to be a thing of the past


no pun intended :wave:
cool sheffzone website :thumbsup:

Originally posted by subliminal
no pun intended :wave:
cool sheffzone website :thumbsup:

As it says under my username.. I'm sarcastic :)

:banana:

have a good night at the white bear on friday i know you are a rock DJ there as i am the glasscollecter i used to work on fridays but i changed to saturdays

Originally posted by Classic Rock
That's an interesting choice of venue. Do you think they're into rock music there? :suspect:

Thats a mis-spelling, shouldnt it be cock music :heyhey:

i think u need togrow up a little.

Originally posted by told_pinz
i think u need togrow up a little.

No I dont, im tall enough as I am :hihi:

you mat be tall but ur brain is to small

Great News everyone, the pub IS staying open now, possibly for the next Ten Years as Roger has signed or about to sign a deal with the new owners 'Jaguar Estates'.

Myself and Shelly will be ending our time there on Saturday with one hell of a party where everyone is welcome, even Bruno as lets face it. as i have said all along to people who have come into the pub. there were four of us that started to build the pub back up and that can never change. four people with a vision, determination and hard work.
it was unfortunate that as we all know, business and friendship never go together as happend in this case. which is sad really as we were all good friends at one time.

Me and Shelly are looking at other at other options at the moment and will post details on here when the time is right


Me and Shelly would like to thank EVERYONE involved in raising the white bear from the gutter and hope that it goes from strength to strength with Roger running it as of 29th January.


Eric_The_Man

Thats great news. which is also good for the other Pubs in the village as well as the customers.

As said lets hope The Bear and the rest of the Pubs go from strength to strength.

Good Luck to Roger and Clare.

And echoing what Martine said: "Thankyou to the customers who supported us four when we took over.

And good luck to Martine and Shelly, who im sure feel gutted that thier time has come to an end. (we felt the same) but we all knew it was'nt going to be long term, even though all four of us put alot of hard work in cleaning/decorating/sorting the cellar and the behind the scenes of juggling our own jobs. Have a good Party on Saturday!

wow thats great news! i hope the party is good also. Thats right business and friendship doesn't last as i witnessed my self good luck also to Roger and Clair as they try to keep the pub up to the standard that martine and shelly did.

Great News everyone, the pub IS staying open now, possibly for the next Ten Years as Roger has signed or about to sign a deal with the new owners 'Jaguar Estates'.



Eric_The_Man

Is this the same Jaguar Estates that buy buildings, knock them down and then build luxury apartments.

Is this the same Jaguar Estates that buy buildings, knock them down and then build luxury apartments.

Yes it is, however I would assume The White Bear is a listed building, but not sure if any part of the building is 100 years old

i would like to say that martine and shelly has done a great job in running the white bear on their own were always in the pub and they make it the life and soul of what a pub should be likeTHANKYOU too them both its only you too that made that pub what it is today WELL DONE ure both great and good luck for the future too you both!!!!

you mat be tall but ur brain is to small

Im not going to take this abuse from a 15 year old..

i think you ought too leave her alone:loopy: how old are you?? you ought to be ashamed of ureself arguing with a 15 year old. told pinz is a great lass

have a good night at the white bear on friday i know you are a rock DJ there as i am the glasscollecter i used to work on fridays but i changed to saturdays


i think you ought too leave her alone:loopy: how old are you?? you ought to be ashamed of ureself arguing with a 15 year old. told pinz is a great lass

Is that Legally allowed? a 15 year old collecting glasses in a Pub?:wow:

Yes, fairly sure its allowed, providing they don't work behind the bar - although I'm not even sure on that, you can be served by a 16 year old now providing there is an adult there to 'authorise' the sales :)

Hi U and Me,

well it looks like me and shelly have fans, or at least a fan.
in this cut throat business of being a publican, it is so nice to be apreciated by customers rather than being stabbed in the back for doing your job.

I would just like to say that me and shelly have really enjoyed running the white bear and hope that we have put it back on the map for being one of THE places to be seen in Ecclesfield. Hopefully Roger will keep this up, the Square needs it, in order to survive.

in my opinion, and it is only my opinion, the Black Bull is still a pub on its way down, if thats possible after the last stand in Landlord ran it into the ground.:mad:

as i said before, we are having a party to beat all parties on Saturday, everyone is welcome.

Eric_The_Man

yes it is legal to work in a pub but ONLY collecting glasses its illegal to work behind the bar untill your 18.I would like to say THANKYOU to eric the man for apreciating his customers and what they have to say. hope you and shelly have a great life 2gether enjoy it to the full and we ALL hope that your next pub is agreat success like the white bear.
GOOD LUCK 2 THE BOTH OF YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!:thumbsup:

SHELLY WE LOVE YOU, YOU ARE GREAT you deserve the best in life :)
MARTINE YOU ARE SO FUNNY keep up the good work:)
SEE YOU BOTH SOON HOPEFULLY AT A PUB NEAR YOU!:hihi:

You maybe right about working as glass collector, however an employer needs to apply for a work permit for any child otherwise that child is not covered by the employers liability insurance, also a child can only work within the time periods of 7am till 7pm

according to this
http://www.sheffield.gov.uk/education/information-for-parentscarers/in-school-issues/children-working-part-time

thankyou for every one who has backed me up.. but as long as i know myself what my age is, then im certain that it shouldn't bother any one else, so who ever said i was 15.. can keep their nose out were it is not wanted. yes martine and shelly are brill and i wish the best of luck to them as they will be staying intouch.

Im sure that if i was 15 i am more grown up than the people who like to make stupid jokes.

hello 'u and me' how are you doing? if it is who i think it is then i will see you on sat x

if any one has anything else to say then dont keep it to your self this is a place for nice people.

who is this lol

who is you and me??

told pinz do u know who this is really? i

come on then pinz reply can u guess u will know straight away

yeah luv i know now lol

You maybe right about working as glass collector, however an employer needs to apply for a work permit for any child otherwise that child is not covered by the employers liability insurance, also a child can only work within the time periods of 7am till 7pm

according to this
http://www.sheffield.gov.uk/education/information-for-parentscarers/in-school-issues/children-working-part-time


So does this child work in the evenings?

After reading through these latest post's makes me wonder if the age of the staff is younger than 15, as this discussion thread looks like an instant messaging service between Told_Pinz and u and me:D

Age limit is only there to protect you and stop you being exploited

OOPS sorry about the double post

Sarah_B

Apart from me saying on numerous occasions that you are a bumb blond, have i offended you in any way. only it seems that every time i say anything you seem to come up with some stupid thing to try and down me.

as you will probably know, there are many thousands of people under the age of 18 working in pubs collecting glasses through out the country. as long as they dont serve alcohol and stick strictly to their job then it is perfectly legal.

if we all listend to you then every pub would shut down, people would not work, we would all be on the dole costing the government money paid in by honest tax payers like me.
why dont you give people a break sometime and take a chill pill, sit back and enjoy life for once instead of pulling people down at every oportunity..............


thanks for the vote of confidence Me and U as you say, we will be coming to a poub near you soon !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sarah_B
Apart from me saying on numerous occasions that you are a bumb blond,
Your avatar speaks for itself



have i offended you in any way. only it seems that every time i say anything you seem to come up with some stupid thing to try and down me.

Which part of this thread are you refering to?




as you will probably know, there are many thousands of people under the age of 18 working in pubs collecting glasses through out the country. as long as they dont serve alcohol and stick strictly to their job then it is perfectly legal.
Under the age of 18 is a total different matter, than to under the age of 16, the law clearly states from the link I provided that NO CHILD is allowed to work after 7pm, Here is the link again, maybe you should take time to read it http://www.sheffield.gov.uk/education/information-for-parentscarers/in-school-issues/children-working-part-time




if we all listend to you then every pub would shut down, people would not work, we would all be on the dole costing the government money paid in by honest tax payers like me..
I am not asking anyone to listen to me just purely stating a fact of law, however I do have my fear of exploitations in situations like these, you say we would all be on the dole, how can a school child be on the dole? perhaps by not adereing to the law and employing cheap labour you are infact keeping a honest jobseaker on the dole.




why dont you give people a break sometime and take a chill pill, sit back and enjoy life for once instead of pulling people down at every oportunity...............
I would like you to point me in the direction as to where I have pulled people down at every oppertunity, this is a discussion forum and in this particular thread I asked the question is it legal for a 15 year old to be working in a bar, a simple search in google found the link which I posted, which I would have thought you as an employer would have taken these steps, but obviously ignorrance and attitude has prevailed.

pubs these days.... there dropping like flies. ecco lovely little village. soon there will be no where 2go.altho iv only been white bear once. it was rock night... not my cup of tea!!!

Sarah_B

Apart from me saying on numerous occasions that you are a bumb blond, have i offended you in any way. only it seems that every time i say anything you seem to come up with some stupid thing to try and down me.

as you will probably know, there are many thousands of people under the age of 18 working in pubs collecting glasses through out the country. as long as they dont serve alcohol and stick strictly to their job then it is perfectly legal.

if we all listend to you then every pub would shut down, people would not work, we would all be on the dole costing the government money paid in by honest tax payers like me.
why dont you give people a break sometime and take a chill pill, sit back and enjoy life for once instead of pulling people down at every oportunity..............


thanks for the vote of confidence Me and U as you say, we will be coming to a poub near you soon !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Well said eric_the_man !!!!! I 2 think she needs to take some kind of pill,maybe not a chill pill though,You not got any Hormone Pills you can give her...It could be the change....YOU KNOW !!! It affects people in different ways...LOL

thankx for the vote of confidence everyone while we have been running the white bear in ecco.

As i have said before, we are having a farewell party on Satusday and everyone is welcome (even Bruno will be welcome), its going to be our way of saying a big thank you to everyone who has supported the pub and its staff, whatever their ages are (Ha Ha).
dont forget either that we will still be having the great rock night on friday supplied by the fantastic Buffy from 8pm till close and iof you sk her nice, she moght even play almost anything you ask for (as long as its ROCK).


but seriously everyone, keep a look out on here as i will be posting details of our next pub and whats on offer there very soon.

The White Bear was just the start, its onwards and upwards now.

OH, and before i forget, Sarah B. if you really knew me, then you would know that my avatar is a picture of myself and im not affraid to show it.

Eric_The_Man.

dont forget either that we will still be having the great rock night on friday supplied by the fantastic Buffy from 8pm till close and iof you sk her nice, she moght even play almost anything you ask for (as long as its ROCK).

Eric_The_Man.[/QUOTE]

Unless It's Iron Maiden's "Seventh Son Of A Seventh Son","2 Minutes To Midnight" Or "Wrathchild".:hihi: ;)

Anyway,Good Luck Martine.Sure You'll Do Well In The Future.:thumbsup:

Unless It's Iron Maiden's "Seventh Son Of A Seventh Son","2 Minutes To Midnight" Or "Wrathchild".:hihi: ;)



Don't you like those tracks either?

Got 'em on the laptop. :D

thankx for the vote of confidence everyone while we have been running the white bear in ecco.

As i have said before, we are having a farewell party on Satusday and everyone is welcome (even Bruno will be welcome), its going to be our way of saying a big thank you to everyone who has supported the pub and its staff, whatever their ages are (Ha Ha).
dont forget either that we will still be having the great rock night on friday supplied by the fantastic Buffy from 8pm till close and iof you sk her nice, she moght even play almost anything you ask for (as long as its ROCK).


but seriously everyone, keep a look out on here as i will be posting details of our next pub and whats on offer there very soon.

The White Bear was just the start, its onwards and upwards now.

OH, and before i forget, Sarah B. if you really knew me, then you would know that my avatar is a picture of myself and im not affraid to show it.

Eric_The_Man.

Can't make the party as I'll be rocking away elsewhere (see below), but will have a damn good night tomorrow with you guys. I've got a feeling it's going to be a rock and rolling night!

Looking forward to hearing about where you'll be moving to. Bachman Turner Overdrive will not be the same without Shelly going wild on the dancefloor. :help:

As i have said before, we are having a farewell party on Satusday and everyone is welcome (even Bruno will be welcome)


Thankyou for the invitation, but I too will be working on this particular night.

Got the night off work tonight :D ,so i'll be turning up with the old ball & chain to give my support and have a few Bevvies.

Usually have Saturday's off :mad: so won't be able to attend the big party.

Nevermind, all the best Martine/Shelly for the future. :thumbsup:

You Are Wrong Written In Stone 18

You Are Wrong Written In Stone 18


give us a clue, Eh!...?

You Are Wrong Written In Stone 18
Eh what :huh:

Was that the last Friday Rock night then or will the new landlords be holding one as well ?
Came back a little worse for wear......Drunk / Deaf, Just as it should be :gag:

But nevertheless had a great time.

The rock night continues with yours truly. No changes there.

Buffy

Excellent :thumbsup:

Hopefully will be down again this friday......Cash permitting.

Glad to see you are still there buffy! is Ricky Thunder returning on a Wed and Sat?

Glad to see you are still there buffy! is Ricky Thunder returning on a Wed and Sat?

I've heard he's coming back but don't know which nights off hand.

Just a quick note regarding the party on Saturday.


Thanks to everyone who came, it was a fab night, totally awsome with plenty of drinking, dancing, fantastic music and light show supplied by Andy Lidds Entertainments (one of the best around) everything went without a hitch and we finally closed the evening about 2.30 am.

Good luck to Roger Cheetham who has now taken over the runing of the white bear, his parting words to us were............ you will be a hard act to follow.

cheers roger.



i will let everyone know when and where we get our new pub in the very near future.


Thanks to everyone.



Martine & Shelly

It seems The White Bear is back up and runing, which is great for the village to have a choice of watering holes

It seems The White Bear is back up and runing, which is great for the village to have a choice of watering holes

.....And a good place to Rock on a Friday night's with the one and only BUFFY. :D

Wait a minute...i should be down there now :o ....wasteing precious drinking time here.....TAXI

i used to go down ecco all the time a few years back and am really into rock, someone please tell me more about the friday night ROCK NIGHT, is it very clicky or will newcomers be welcomed :)

You'll be very welcome! If you don't know anyone come across and chat to me while I'm DJing!

i used to go down ecco all the time a few years back and am really into rock, someone please tell me more about the friday night ROCK NIGHT, is it very clicky or will newcomers be welcomed :)

Definately not clicky, as Buffy said (classic rock) she will welcome you, she does a great show, on the same night I do a Disco/Karaoke across the road over at the Stocks which compliments the variety in the village.

Tonight I was busy sorting out my DJ's and venue's, but next Friday I shall be down early and pop in the Bear so that Buffy can buy me a Pint :hihi:

Also Blackbull has a disco on the same night, but I'm not sure who does that, I think it's a 60s/70s night.

So that's three venues to choose from, with Three Types of different Entertainment on the same night.

So speaking on behalf of Buffy and Myself, come and say Hello! to us, and have a " GREAT NIGHT OUT !!!!!!!! "

next Friday I shall be down early and pop in the Bear so that Buffy can buy me a Pint :hihi:



:suspect: :loopy: :huh: :help: :o

Nice one, will have to give my best drinking buddy a knock and pop down 1 weekend,
Thanx

Won't be able to make it this Friday.....as i'm working. :mad:

But should be down at the Moorfoot Tavern Saturday night hopefully. :thumbsup:

By the way what's happening with these live bands you say your putting on Buffy.
Anything happening this weekend ?

It starts this Saturday at the Moorfoot Tavern, but I'm going off thread if I discuss it here. It's on another thread.