During a recent debate over where to go for NYE, I listened to various ideas, and saw various flyers advertising the main dance haunts in Sheffield.

Each respective haunt touted itself as being "massive", or "not to missed" with similar euologies coming from my friends. This then turned into a heated debate about drug taking / dance clubs. As a peripheral veteran of the dance scene in sheffield now for the last 5-6 years, two glaringly obvious things spring to mind.

1. These nights will be no different to any other.
2. If you removed the people on the night who were mashed on one form or other of Class A, there would be no one left in there.

It always makes we smile when I see the same people slumped in Scuba or Urban Guerilla talking the same MDMA fulled nonsense week in week out, blisfully unaware of anything around them. A lot of these people then have the audacity to claim they would still go to these venues, regardless of the drugs "you should have been there, it was wicked", "yeah it was banging, DJ was awesome" etc etc.

Crap.

I think a more accurate appraisal would be the old chesnut

"if we cant get any beans, we may as well not bother going"

If there were some sort of magical scanner at these venues that automatically ejected anyone in possesion of, or on drugs, the places would be virtually empty.

Dont get me wrong, each to their own (been there, done that so to speak) but it really gets my back up when people claim these nights (ESPECIALLY NYE nights) are anything more than just an excuse to get off your face on whatever drug you can lay your hands on.

Myself being a veteran of the late 80's rave scene (ooh it hurts to remember) I can also say that over the years I have had the same debate with friends..........

"was it really that good???"

I suppose we will never know.

Yep, totally agree.

I nearly missed out on the best night of my life because of over indulgence. Not o'ding or anything like that, but just going over the top.

Luckily I didn't and NYE 1991 will remain in my mind forever.

The club scene/dance scene will alway rely on certain aspects. To be honest, I don't know why, but thats true.

Myself, as a rave veteran too, I miss it all. But I wouldn't change those days for anything. Certain things helped my euphoria.

And the original point of this thread is/was?

Originally posted by fnkysknky
And the original point of this thread is/was?

Discussion? :confused:

Well being that MDMA induces the effect of euphoria among others then it's common sense that people who haved taken it will have a good chance of remembering it as an amazing night.

Drugs have always been part and parcel of the dance scene but it doesn't mean everyone is on them. I know of a fair few people who won't touch them, some who will go out with or without and probably a larger amount who for drugs is a large part of their clubbing experience. Fair enough there wouldn't be as many people in if everyone on something was removed but it wouldn't be empty.

Originally posted by fnkysknky
And the original point of this thread is/was?

To obtain peoples views by means of response I guess.

Are such nights over-hyped, would dance nights exist if there were no drugs, do people really go to these nights just for the djs etc etc.

The content of the thread is a particular bug bear of mine and the forum is a place to sound off if nothing else.

Some people taking drugs in dance clubs? Promoters hyping up club nights?

Whatever next - you'll be telling us that West St can sometimes get full of lairy p*ss heads...

Some nights are over hyped and end up being run of the mill but some aren't and do stand out from the crowd. Some dj's have the ability to get the crowd going while others just string any old set together and it just bumbles along all night. Promoters are always going to be telling us how amazing a night is when we all really know it will be crap but that's their job.

People do really go to see the dj's, I usually only go out now when a dj is on who I want to see - otherwise I'll do something else. There is the odd occasion I'll go without any particular dj catching my eye but that's because a group of mates will be off out and it's nice to get together every now and then. Recently went to see Roger Sanchez and that was purely down to it being him. Bumped into a kid who gf knows from work and he just drinks - he said he was out to get ****** as a fart and he couldn't care less about the dj or music so you get both.

As for dance nights existing without drugs........ No idea, probably not at least not in the form they take now. Much of music whether it be dance or other has been written/created while under the influence of drugs so if it wasn't for them then music itself may have taken a very different route.

im a drum n bass dj and i dont touch class a's

i go for the dj's n to have a laugh with my mates,maybe a few drinks n a smoke.

and i know alot of people who do the same

Originally posted by mikebayly
To obtain peoples views by means of response I guess.

Are such nights over-hyped, would dance nights exist if there were no drugs, do people really go to these nights just for the djs etc etc.

The content of the thread is a particular bug bear of mine and the forum is a place to sound off if nothing else.

I don't think they'e overhyped... its just part and parcel of selling the nite to people, depends on the venue/DJ really too... some venues do the understated approach and others go OTT but its all about the type of crowd they're wanting to attract. Same with any product if you ask me.

Some dance nites would exist and some wouldn't without drugs.. the crowds at the more commercial house nights seem to me to be more alcohol oriented.. yet I can't imagine people wanting to go to the more banging hardcore allnighters without some serious chemical assistance :hihi:

There are people who go to the nights just for the DJs.. some DJs are masters of their trade and worth a look whatever your drug of choice.

Well, I was a Crasher Kid back when it was considered cool to do that sort of thing - I went to the all nighters at Gatecrasher (then Republic) nearly every week with my glow sticks and Cyber Dog gear, then on to Insomniacs afterwards until around 12 noon the next day, and I can honestly say I've never touched anything more hardcore than a bit of weed in my life.

I'll not deny that most people around me were off my heads, including many of my mates, but I never felt under any pressure to join them. Some of us can have fun without chemicals you know.

There is one thing about these escapades that does trouble me though...

If I wasn't off my t*ts on Es, then I must have gone to these things because I genuinely liked the music. Certainly I could stay on my feet dancing for much longer than most of my drugged-up pals.

Now that's SCARY! :loopy:

Im sorry to say like the kid b4 me, WTF are u on about. Crasher kid lol never known ne 1 called that b4.

U miss the point, if u was a crasher then u was kalled a cyber phreak and i must admit im still one now. Yes the scene may have died at the republic but it still goes on.

'Drug taking is one of the bigest things that ever happened to the clubbibg scene, back in the late 80's early 90's taking E's was the in thing and was not illegal at the time. Yes i must admit this did bring on the style of music we have now.

But saying that the clubbing scene would be dead if it wasnt for these people that do drugs is by far a total cop out. There was this scene way b4 E's came onto the market and it will always be like that.

The biggest revenu in the license industry isnt ne thing to do with drugs by far, its the people like you that go out week in week out that spend there money on a drug that is legal and they call it alcohol.

what, you've never heard of the phrase crasher kid, it was widely used in the dance music press to describe gatecrasher fans.

anyway, to say dance music nights would be dead without the drugs is a little nieve, yes drugs are around, even in pubs these days.
For me it's all about the music, yes i dabble from time to time, but it's not the be all and end all of a night for me, the music is the most important, then if there's anything that will enhance the experience then great, but if there's not, it doesn't mean i wont still be able to have a great time

Crasher kid lol never known ne 1 called that b4.
Ive always know them as Crasherkids some take it as a insult it just makes me chukkle...

Any way like most ive been on the dance scene since the M25 movement 1989 that is and i still dance till dawn somtimes with help from cat A's and most of the time with out. Iknow alot of clubbers who do not take anything at all and also them who take anything they can get there hands on but no matter how spannard you are you will always remember the best night you have had. my last was PLANET ZOGG WITH LAB4
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Are such nights over-hyped, would dance nights exist if there were no drugs, do people really go to these nights just for the djs etc etc.

Some nights are over hyped like crasher and MOS they just want your CASH its when you find a little gem of a club night where a group of friends do it just for the Music and there is not many of them left around now :(

why pick on class A's? there are plenty of people, far more i'd imagine than go out on class A's, who go out just to get peased out of their skulls, who don't give a sheet what dj is playing

and they cause a whole lot more trouble than the fairly peaceful ravers

dont need class a's. seen that drug shop thing on west street. whats all that about? mental i tell you.

I went to see Tiesto play in Prague and to be fair, he ain't really my thing but I like a good boogie and I'd not seen him before so I went along - I didn't take any drugs and I didn't touch a drop of alcohol - I danced my arse off till 6 in the morning and had a cracking good time. I was with my mates, the music was good, the venue was imense and I loved it.

On the other hand I've been to nights where DJ's and music I love are playing and I've taken drugs - and had not so good a night.

Drugs don't make a bad night good any more than alcohol does - they can make a good night bad though :D

P.S Anyone know who what time everyone got out from getting their coats at Crasher Classics ? 7.20am was the latest I heard !! :o (v glad I pushed in !! ) ;)

I did Headcharge for a few years, and later Jackhammer, without needing drugs, and it really was THAT good. Nothing else touches it.

Originally posted by CoolKat
Drug taking is one of the bigest things that ever happened to the clubbibg scene, back in the late 80's early 90's taking E's was the in thing and was not illegal at the time. Yes i must admit this did bring on the style of music we have now.


E was in fact made illegal in May 1986, according to some 2-bit website that I believed immediately after reading it just now. I also remember reading about a funny paranoia-induced episode in the Bill Hicks biography where this guy flushed a hundred little ones down the toilet for fear of being busted. Although that is the US DEA, British and other European agencies are usually expected to follow suit in this cosy little American global empire we live under.

I do think that some of the most boring music is made for people who have just ingested a bucket of phenethylamines, though.