I don't visit the UK very often but when I do I always go to my hometown of Sheffield.

What I see I do not like. The Moor is nothing like its former self - it looks completely run down and really, really cheap. What happened? Is it influence from that Medowhall development? Have they taken all the money from the center of town? Or am I mistaken? I think not - if you are there it is probably difficult to notice - kinda like watching a clock - you can't see it move. But if you visit every three / five / ten years the change downwards is more obvious, although I can't really put my finger on it.

I was quite depressed / annoyed at what I saw last summer. It is not only Sheffield either - sometimes I think the UK is a declining country - what on earth is happening on the home front?

You don't say where you're living just that you visit Sheffield occasionally. What's so great about where you live that you can come on here and make derogatory remarks about the city which most of us love?

I live in Sheffield now and thing its slowly goin down the pan. I recently went shopping in Barnsley and its soooo nice compared to sheffield.Its so clean,Historic and most of all well looked after. I dont agree with all these new (cardboard) buildings they look awfill and i want to be able to show my kids some of the history of sheffield like i was i.e. where the wicker arches was bombed (altough they are taking there timeto get round demolishing that cause its obvious they will) i supose ill have to show them barnsley

This link has been added in another thread but it doesn't hurt to put it in again. It shows that plans are afoot for regeneration of the Moor.:

Article from The Star (http://www.sheffieldtoday.net/ViewArticle.aspx?SectionID=58&ArticleID=749660)

Originally posted by max
You don't say where you're living just that you visit Sheffield occasionally. What's so great about where you live that you can come on here and make derogatory remarks about the city which most of us love?

Derogatory comments or not...they are good observations...just because he doesn't live here doesn't mean he can't pass comment. As great as this city is there are still some eyesores and run down areas...thats just fact

i have to agree with wibbles - rupert was only making a comment and if things need improving we need peoples observations to stimulate debate - from this things can move forward :thumbsup:

The downturn in sheffields fortunes began way back before meadowhall. The investment went to towns like Leeds and Mnachester, being more appealing to the corporate bod's in finance.

Sheffield has so much potential, BUT, whenever i come to visit from London my now home, there appears to be the same whino stations, the same bad entity in town that you can spot a mile away. Town, has a very meek, non-vibrant, mundane and sometimes an eerire air about it.

The only way to change this is to attract new talent, people and money up here in order that sheffield can go through a much needed revitalisation. This would prompt me, for sure, to buy a house here and probably even move up again.

I worked at m&s on the moor in the late 60s 70s.I agree I am afraid the moor is in a awful state now compared to then.The same applies to the market area it has been allowed to get run down.Anyone uot there from Marks at that time?

The Moor has not been the same since they built that rediduclous
building at the bottom blocking the Moor off.
Just look at the old photo's of the Moor in all it's glory before and even after the war

Rupert is completely right. I remember some 15 years or so ago when The Moor had a branch of Habitat and also a branch of Hamleys toy shop! I for one couldn't imagine either company being interested in opening a shop anywhere near The Moor as it is now. Its a disgrace, and its worrying to think that it represents about one third of the current retail area of the town center. I have read all about the new city center proposals and at the risk of sounding cynical - I will believe it only when I see it. Its a criminal waste of a great opportunity.

There you go, rant over!!

Originally posted by max
You don't say where you're living just that you visit Sheffield occasionally. What's so great about where you live that you can come on here and make derogatory remarks about the city which most of us love?

What a totally bizarre and irrational response! As rupert says, Sheffield is his home town. Surely that gives him the right to point out its shortcomings without fear of being shouted down?

As a moderator, you should be welcoming people, not trying to p*ss them off. Your response to what was a perfectly reasonable comment could have come straight out of the pages of the Daily Mail you hate so much. Ironic, wouldn't you say?

Originally posted by mojoworking
What a totally bizarre and irrational response! As rupert says, Sheffield is his home town. Surely that gives him the right to point out its shortcomings without fear of being shouted down?

As a moderator, you should be welcoming people, not trying to p*ss them off. Your response to what was a perfectly reasonable comment could have come straight out of the pages of the Daily Mail you hate so much. Ironic, wouldn't you say?

Ouch, can I not voice my opinions without you jumping down my throat? I was merely asking what was so great about where he lived.

Additionally, I was asking as contributor not as a moderator.

I'm still interested in where he comes from.

What an odd person you really are mojo.:loopy:

Originally posted by max
Ouch, can I not voice my opinions without you jumping down my throat? I was merely asking what was so great about where he lived.

Additionally, I was asking as contributor not as a moderator.

I'm still interested in where he comes from.

What an odd person you really are mojo.:loopy:

Maybe so, but you must admit, your response was a bit over the top :(

Originally posted by mojoworking
Maybe so, but you must admit, your response was a bit over the top :(

What admit I'm wrong? Who do you think I am, t020?

OK, sorry rupert, I just care vehemently about my adopted city.

Don't you hate people who qualify apologies?

Originally posted by max
What admit I'm wrong? Who do you think I am, t020?

OK, sorry rupert, I just care vehemently about my adopted city.

Don't you hate people who qualify apologies?

Cool. Now we're all friends again ;)

Sorry to have casued such a fuss. I am Sheffield born and bred and love the place. Was there until 30 years old or so, and worked in a steel factory for a few years too before all that fell apart in the mid 1980s.

I now live in Korea, have travelled Asia and various places in the world, and always enjoy going home. Korea is awful in many respects compared to Sheffield but there is a lot of work here. Some advice? England needs to develop a new approach - a developing country approach - WORK HARD + less taxes. Korean cities look awful but the people work hard and are constantly improving their situation - it is the same in many other countries.

I heard that Japanese have 'injections' before they visit the UK (or Europe) ...

As an ex-pat myself, I see Sheffield in a different light now when I visit. I still love the place where I spent almost my entire life, but I do think there seems to be a lack of aim in regenerating the city.
It really needs a plan which looks at the entirety, rather than bits of it at a time. One thing which really lets Sheffield down in comparison to other towns is the really apalling state of the roads, I could tell when I was back in Sheffield even if blindfolded, just by the pot holes and rough ride. It's a great shame, I wish Sheffield and all who live there well but I would love to see real progress instead of constant discussions and studies about what should happen.

well just to add my tenpenneth, i left the great City in '96 and am constantly amazed at how much it's changed every time I come back. Usually, it looks to have changed for the better too. The Winter Gardens are cool (no pun intended), where the Town Hall is with the jumping fountains is lovely etc etc.
Must admit tho, even when I lived in sheff I didn't go down The Moor much, I always thought it was a bit run down even then.

max rupert is correct 100% short and sweet

If I want to hear really bad derogatory remarks about Sheffield all I have to do is call my family and friends that still live in Sheffield. Or when the last time I went back I lost count of the number times I heard “Sheffield has gone to the dogs” in pubs. So I think Sheffield people, still in Sheffield, are the worst critics of the city.

I too get disappointed when I go back to Sheffield but it has more to do with friends and family moving on. Things change everywhere but I suppose I have held Sheffield in an idealized bubble. I am stuck in the 80’s. It sad seeing my old watering holes gone, a little disconnected that I can actually get lost walking around and driving - forget it. The moor has declined badly but then I go to another part and see real growth and change, Hooray the horrible egg box council building have gone for example. Wow, I am feeling it might be time for a trip back, still miss the old place.