Anyone ever seen this www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/flash.htm#Main not sure what to think of it, but its interesting.:suspect:

wayne72, the link you post is riddled full of nonsense dressed up as 'fact'.

Every single thing proposed by conspiracists has a simple explanation. Go on, try me, I once made a hobby of dissing madcap Princess Diana conspiracy theories with simple facts and reason. :)

I've not even watched this video, because it's the same as all the others.

Shall we talk about...
...wings?
... holes in walls?
... debris on the lawn?
...disintegration of airframes?
...remote controls?
...small aircraft?
...missing passengers?
... building work in the Pentagon?

Each and every 'conspiracy' idea is easily and rationally explained.

Especially when you consider that Al Quaeda was behind it all.

Let's not go off into the domain of the bonkers conspiracist because I suspect you have better and more worthy things to think about like Peak Oil.

Like I say its only interesting, I don't buy in to it. I enjoy conspiracies as a laugh and a laugh only.

Peak Oil is real, it's either happening or will happen. I just thought i'd post a couple of the strange stuff I run in to along my quest of Peak Oil info. Sometimes you have to search the crazy as well as the intelligent.

Some of things associated with Peak Oil are associated with Iraq, 9/11 etc. Once you get deep in to Peak Oil you'll understand what I mean. This doesn't discredit the facts of Peak Oil. Geology dictates Peak Oil. What is amazing is some of the stuff you do discover or laugh at that is associated with Peak Oil.

The Abiotic theory is the most laughable and not because it's unthinkable, but because the rate at which we've used and use Oil, Abiotic couldn't replace it in anywere near enough time to stop it being a problem.

You say you haven't bothered to watch it. well if your on Broadband it only takes around 5 mins, this would make it easier for you to comment.:thumbsup:

or waste 5 minutes of your time :P
when we could be down the supermarkets annoying chrimbo shoppers

Hiya,

I'll repeat what I said to a long departed forummer on this subject. Although she was convinced that I was a fully paid up member of the Bildeberg Group, a Nazi and member of the Illuminati as well. Oh, and I did write some of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and allow Majestic 12 to meet in my garage when the Rosicrucians aren't using it. :)

Seriously, though....

We need conspiracy theories, because if we don't have them then it means that 20 men with airline tickets and craft knives almost managed a decaptitation strike on the US.

Now, given the billions spent on stopping that sort of thing happening, and the confidence that the US had after defeating the USSR in teh Cold War, I think that a large number of people will feel happier thinking that it was all done by mysterious 'Men in Black' or other dark forces within the US establishment.

If you go with conspiracy, then the success of the operation is due to the fact that the conspirators were able to subvert the defence systems from within, and thus the OVERALL defence of the US is still sound. In other words, the US can still sleep relatively safe in it's collective bed.

If it were actually a bunch of highly motivated men who didn't mind dying, then everything that the US does to defend itself is quite possibly pants.

Conspiracy? No.

Cock Up? Yes.

As long ago as the early 1990s I came across a now classified paper by a US military officer describing how with a million dollars and a hundred men he could bring the US infrastructure to it's knees by what's called assymetric warfare - attacking power grids, computer networks, the telephone systems, etc.

The only surprising thing with 9/11 is that it was so long in coming.

Joe

Originally posted by Tony
wayne72, the link you post is riddled full of nonsense dressed up as 'fact'.

Every single thing proposed by conspiracists has a simple explanation. Go on, try me, I once made a hobby of dissing madcap Princess Diana conspiracy theories with simple facts and reason. :)

I've not even watched this video, because it's the same as all the others.

Shall we talk about...
...wings?
... holes in walls?
... debris on the lawn?
...disintegration of airframes?
...remote controls?
...small aircraft?
...missing passengers?
... building work in the Pentagon?

Each and every 'conspiracy' idea is easily and rationally explained.

Especially when you consider that Al Quaeda was behind it all.

Let's not go off into the domain of the bonkers conspiracist because I suspect you have better and more worthy things to think about like Peak Oil. :suspect: i think the conspiracy is that.......you work for the c i a :heyhey:
as you appear by magic every time 9/11 is posted :D

have a great christmas :thumbsup:

Wayne72,

On a serious note - have there been any theories linking the peak oil issue to the Bush dynasty, so to say? Or to Saudi / Bin Laden?

This is a genuine question - I'm very interested in the psychology of conspiracy theories and like to see how idea networks grow.

Joe

Now im not saying this conspiracy it genuine as i dont think it is, but you have to remember America is the country which tried to cover up the assination of JFK.
It has a history of covering events up so in all the conspiricy theories out there some could very possibly be true..

Originally posted by Preacher Man
Now im not saying this conspiracy it genuine as i dont think it is, but you have to remember America is the country which tried to cover up the assination of JFK.
It has a history of covering events up so in all the conspiricy theories out there some could very possibly be true..

My views exactly. A lot of conspiracy theories are obviously ridiculous, but if everyone just accepted the official story on everything then there would be lots of things that we never found out the real story about.

Originally posted by Yodameister
My views exactly. A lot of conspiracy theories are obviously ridiculous, but if everyone just accepted the official story on everything then there would be lots of things that we never found out the real story about.

Like the Princess Diana case. Looks like the 'official story' will be changed imminently.

Originally posted by Tony


Every single thing proposed by conspiracists has a simple explanation.

Absolute nonsense, I have offered you on several occasions plenty of evidence thats supports the 9/11 conspiracy theory.

You gracefully declined, that is your decision, but please DO NOT display open disregard for such facts that you are not willing to approach.

Originally posted by Tony
wayne72, the link you post is riddled full of nonsense dressed up as 'fact'.

Every single thing proposed by conspiracists has a simple explanation. Go on, try me, I once made a hobby of dissing madcap Princess Diana conspiracy theories with simple facts and reason. :)

I've not even watched this video, because it's the same as all the others.

Shall we talk about...
...wings?
... holes in walls?
... debris on the lawn?
...disintegration of airframes?
...remote controls?
...small aircraft?
...missing passengers?
... building work in the Pentagon?

Each and every 'conspiracy' idea is easily and rationally explained.

Especially when you consider that Al Quaeda was behind it all.

Let's not go off into the domain of the bonkers conspiracist because I suspect you have better and more worthy things to think about like Peak Oil.

"Every single thing proposed by conspiracists has a simple explanation"

Really, Tony? You must be a very clever man to be able to refute every idea put forward by every conspiracist in every conspiracy theory. :loopy: Perhaps you should enlighten the experts on, for example, the Princess Diana case, what the answers are to all their outstanding queries as to what actually happened. Only someone with a very unquestioning mind could argue that the public has been told the whole truth about Diana's death. Whether or not there was some great conspiracy to do away with her or not, there are a number of puzzling anomalies about what went on that night in Paris that have simply not been explained. When the public knows it is not getting the full story, it's inevitable that rumours and modern-day myths will spring up.

StarSparkle

I never said that I was "able to refute every idea put forward by every conspiracist in every conspiracy theory".

I've not come across one that holds water yet though.

My memory of lots of the Diana things is a bit hazy these days, but as a quick aside, which things confuse you?

Originally posted by JoeP
Wayne72,

On a serious note - have there been any theories linking the peak oil issue to the Bush dynasty, so to say? Or to Saudi / Bin Laden?

This is a genuine question - I'm very interested in the psychology of conspiracy theories and like to see how idea networks grow.

Joe

Hi JoeP.

There is a theory that the whole 9/11 thing was contived a while back. The reason being the US intelligence warned the Government about Peak Oil being imminent and after doing many classified studies in to the effects, then the CIA says somthing needed to be done to hold off Peak Oil. I say hold off, because as Geology predicts, its going to happen. I used to have a site address linked to these papers, don't know what their authenticity is? If I find the address i'l post it to you.

Now how the theory goes is we all know that the Bin Landen's have lots of money tied up in the US. We know Osama is supposed to hate the west. Well Bush and the Bin Laden's supposedly funded the "Al Queda" to carry out an attack on the US, with enough devastation to give US the excuse needed to gain access to the middle east, via millitary force.

Of course it wasn't just for the Oil, if it was they'd be piping the lot to themselves. But it was to do with making sure they could get their Lions Share. Also OPEC was planning on swapping the currency of Oil from the Dollar to the Euro, which could've bankrupt the US and the Saudi's because the Saudi's have invested so much in the US, the US because they've loaned so much money out.

Another result of the Chaos was a drop in World Oil consumption. Of course this has gone back up, but is helped in holding off Peak Oil. What is now escalting the problems of Peak Oil, is China and India. They want their share. Things could get ugly, who knows its a Pandora's Box.

There is quite a few other theories linking Bush, Bin Ladens and The Saudi's to The Peak Oil situation.

Do I buy in to this theory i've posted. Honestly i'm not sure! Like I say I don't like to buy in to conspiracy's, but I do find them interesting. What I like to do is listen to both sides of the story, then make up my own mind. Unfortunately both sides of the story can take you from what you are told, to what they don't want to tell you. By this I mean the News, Papers and Goverments, then the other bits you read in radical papers, Conspiracy, heresy etc. It is then up to you to decide which version you believe.

The with Peak Oil is the Government don't deny it. They just don't talk about it. Take what you want from that!

Cheers for listening JoeP. I just hope i've expressed everything how I wanted to here, or I could sound a little mad :loopy:

Merry Christams and a Happy New Year :D

What ever your theory is, 9/11 was a very horrible day for eveyone everywhere in the world. I will never forget that day for as long as I live and I hope I NEVER have to see what I saw that day on the TV and newspapers ever again.
Again with the London Bombings a very, very horrible day for everyone, my thoughts are with everyone one of the victims family's this Christmas.

I do believe there is a lot of cover up with 9/11 but the real truth we will never know. ;-(

It's not my theory. I'm not that inventive.

Whilist searching for some more free Peak Oil films to view on the net, i'm came across this interesting feature length.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2023320890224991194

Professor Griffin argues that "omissions and distortions" in the report amount to a cover-up by government officials and says that the available evidence suggests that the Bush administration was complicit in the 9/11 attacks.

Click Here (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article8765.htm)

:suspect:

Originally posted by venger
Professor Griffin argues that "omissions and distortions" in the report amount to a cover-up by government officials and says that the available evidence suggests that the Bush administration was complicit in the 9/11 attacks.

Click Here (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article8765.htm)

:suspect:
Whichever university Professor Griffin studied at or works at would hardly get a recommendation from me. It adds a totally new dimension to the nutty professor. It is always these so-called boffins who come up with crackpot ideas - often out of antisemitic ideals - if it goes wrong, blame it on the Jews and Israel. It was blaming everything on Jews which got Hitler elected in Germany - an event which led directly to World War II and 60 million lost lives. There might have been a mistake or two which allowed the perpetrators of 911 to go undetected, like nobody thinking anything of it when one of these turned up to flying school and wanted to be taught how to fly but not how to land!!! Can you just imagine how the Chinese would have responded had 911 happened in Beijing, Shanghai or Guangzhou. The entire islamic world would have been turned into a sheet of glass 100 metres thick. But it happened in the US - the country everyone hates through jealousy and spite, but still wants to live there, and because it seems to have everything. But anyone who suggests that the likes of the CIA, FBI or the Israelis were behind 911 is beyond twitting - indeed they're sick in the head. Jihadists are conditioned into believing that they'll get 72 virgins in Paradise if they murder innocent infidels - and that is what motivates them to kill. Its all spelt out in hundreds of verses and passages in the Koran, hadith and Sira - the commands to murder infidels, and peddled by hate-filled mullahs, imams and clerics, who, like Islam itself are stuck in the 7th century with barbaric and misogynistic Dark Ages beliefs. What Iran and Saudi Arabia are like today, and what Afghanistan was like under the Taliban is how these Islamic nutjobs want the entire planet to be, and they're prepared to murder en masse to get their dream of a global caliphate.

Trouble with all most conspiracy theories - 9/11, Pricess Di, Moon Landing etc etc is that they presuppose a conspiracy / cover up involving lot's of people - with often quite different agendas - will actually work.

Conspiracies of this nature don't - the western press (at least the quality end) aren't that easily conned - remember Watergate, which involved a very close knit group of Republicans - this was exposed by a couple of good investigative journalists.

What does work is a small group of absolutely determined people with a common cause eg 9/11 terrorists, July bombings in London.

Originally posted by firecracker
It is always these so-called boffins who come up with crackpot ideas - often out of antisemitic ideals - if it goes wrong, blame it on the Jews and Israel.

pmsl :hihi:

Antisemitic indeed, Noam Chomsky has supported some of the claims made against the Bush Administration, he by the way is about as Jewish as a Jew can be.

Have you watched the link by the way, do you in fact know anything about the evidence that has been presented elsewhere also ?

Originally posted by firecracker
Whichever university Professor Griffin studied at or works at would hardly get a recommendation from me.

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

Thats just brilliant, what exactly qualifies you to make such a judgement please ?

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

Originally posted by Longcol
Trouble with all most conspiracy theories - 9/11, Pricess Di, Moon Landing etc etc is that they presuppose a conspiracy / cover up involving lot's of people - with often quite different agendas - will actually work.

Conspiracies of this nature don't - the western press (at least the quality end) aren't that easily conned - remember Watergate, which involved a very close knit group of Republicans - this was exposed by a couple of good investigative journalists.

What does work is a small group of absolutely determined people with a common cause eg 9/11 terrorists, July bombings in London.

Princess Diana's case wasn't necessarily a conspiracy but something dodgy has gone on. Charles was recently warned by the guy heading the inquiry that the driver wasn't actually drunk and the blood alcohol reading was an error. The alcohol was present in his blood due to the contents from his ruptured bowel fermenting. The crash now doesn't have a known cause, as the french officially found that the driver was drunk and speeding, and then lost control.

Originally posted by firecracker
Whichever university Professor Griffin studied at or works at would hardly get a recommendation from me. It adds a totally new dimension to the nutty professor. It is always these so-called boffins who come up with crackpot ideas - often out of antisemitic ideals - if it goes wrong, blame it on the Jews and Israel. It was blaming everything on Jews which got Hitler elected in Germany - an event which led directly to World War II and 60 million lost lives. There might have been a mistake or two which allowed the perpetrators of 911 to go undetected, like nobody thinking anything of it when one of these turned up to flying school and wanted to be taught how to fly but not how to land!!! Can you just imagine how the Chinese would have responded had 911 happened in Beijing, Shanghai or Guangzhou. The entire islamic world would have been turned into a sheet of glass 100 metres thick. But it happened in the US - the country everyone hates through jealousy and spite, but still wants to live there, and because it seems to have everything. But anyone who suggests that the likes of the CIA, FBI or the Israelis were behind 911 is beyond twitting - indeed they're sick in the head. Jihadists are conditioned into believing that they'll get 72 virgins in Paradise if they murder innocent infidels - and that is what motivates them to kill. Its all spelt out in hundreds of verses and passages in the Koran, hadith and Sira - the commands to murder infidels, and peddled by hate-filled mullahs, imams and clerics, who, like Islam itself are stuck in the 7th century with barbaric and misogynistic Dark Ages beliefs. What Iran and Saudi Arabia are like today, and what Afghanistan was like under the Taliban is how these Islamic nutjobs want the entire planet to be, and they're prepared to murder en masse to get their dream of a global caliphate.

Even if what you say was all true, it still doesn't alter the fact that these conspiracy theories are able to gain credence because our governents have lied to us so much, that you'd be a complete fool to accept their version of events.

Pol Pot killed between one and three million of his people with US collussion, that is just one example of the horrors the US has been involved in.

Just because the Jihadists are nutters doesn't mean America upholds all that's good in the world.

By believing that sort of soft brained pap, people are just perpetuating the conditions under which terrorism flourishes.

I'm not "sick in the head", I just like to view both sides of the coin. The one our "Controllers" want us to see and the one our "wannabe-controllers" want us see. I then judge for myself, I don't need to be told what to think. What I need is to view all stories. I then have this thing called a "Brain", which allows me to make both sensible and radical choices. Its the beauty of being a free thinker, exercising his/her rights in a free World.

It's like the "Peak Oil" thing, i've read all the evidence for and against. I've made my mind up what I believe is true. All I do now is pass on info about what I believe. I aint gonna shout, get upset or even try to force people to believe what I believe. That aint me and that aint right. Its up to you to make up your own mind!

Does this make me "Sick in the Head?" :|

If you've got some free time just watch it, its free, you have nothing lose http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2023320890224991194 if you can't be bothered or aren't interested thats no problem. Like I say its a free World.

Originally posted by Twiglet
Princess Diana's case wasn't necessarily a conspiracy but something dodgy has gone on. Charles was recently warned by the guy heading the inquiry that the driver wasn't actually drunk and the blood alcohol reading was an error. The alcohol was present in his blood due to the contents from his ruptured bowel fermenting. The crash now doesn't have a known cause, as the french officially found that the driver was drunk and speeding, and then lost control.

The obvious one to that is that the driver was speeding and lost control then.