EDIT: I have considered deleting huge chunks of this post to save a scrap of my pride, but most of you have read it anyway! It's far from my finest hour, but I just want to say that I was rather intoxicated when I wrote it, and that I followed it up the subsequent morning with this:

http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=79222&perpage=15&pagenumber=3

Having said that, despite many people being completely disgusted in me no matter how much I profess I was 'out of the way', desperate, caught utterly short, and, at that part in the evening, relatively sober, I am impressed with the level of debate I caused. It's had more replies than any other topic I've ever started. Not worth eighty quid, but still, it's something! :D

So thanks to all who saw through my drunken slur and felt at least a little sympathy for me, no matter how little I deserve it. And, as I haven't said it yet, Merry Christmas to all on Sheffield Forum!

* * * * *

OK - let's cut to the chase. I'm the guilty party. Banged to rights, guv'nor. It's a fair cop. I committed a crime, albeit a minor one. But is this unjust?

Tonight, I was out in Sheffield city centre with my cousin, who hasn't visited the city in years. We were queuing for the Leadmill nightclub for over an hour, when my bladder could take no more; I needed to relieve myself. Desperately. I'm talking about a code red here. Rupture was imminent.

Well aware of the law, I found a secluded spot, desperate beyond belief, and emptied my bladder in the most humane and private way. Simultaneously to my 'act of desecration', at least twenty other people were emptying their bladders up and down the street, abusing the law and public decency beyond all belief.

As is the Universe, and just my luck, I was caught in the headlights of an undercover police car. I was told abruptly to 'finish up' before I was man-handled into the back of the car like a malevolent criminal. As I said above, I'm the guilty party, banged to rights etc. etc…

It was in the back of this car that I was issued an eighty pounds fine.

Eighty pounds.

Not twenty; not thirty. Eighty.

After twenty-one years of education, aiding the economy of my country and expanding my mind, I am forced, for want of a better income, to be a slave to the morally bankrupt retail system of our society and toil away my life in a clothes shop in Meadowhall, thus earning a rather petty income (that is, incidentally, sapped unfairly by our ridiculous local public transport system.)

I have already accrued a massive debt thanks to my student loan (which I didn't waste on alcohol, thank you very much, but rather the extortionate rate of southern house prices / tuition fees.)

So my Christmas is over. Forget all these threads about having a positive life - 'chin up, and all that' - snub that. Those that remember me posting in the past year or so know that an accident left me seriously injured, so not only do I face my second Christmas lonely, single and in pain, but on top of all that I have to deal with an £80 fine too.

Shouldn't these coppers be out saving the proverbial granny form having her hand-bag snatched? Haven't they got better things to do?

Please don't lecture me on the situation - I am well aware of my short-comings, but when murderers are getting off with a short imprisonment and I, an upstanding member of the community, am having my pitiful wage sapped by a sizeable fine such as this, then where is the justice in this world?

To my humble self, £80 is a hell of a lot of money - more than I can afford. I have three weeks to pay it, which means, in actuality, my Christmas is ruined. I can say goodbye to all the presents I’ve scrimped and saved for, all those gifts for my family; au revoir, auf wiedersehen, farewell.

So merry F***ing Xmas to the South Yorkshire C**tsabulary.

And yes, I am drunk. And yes, I am bitter. And rightly f***ing so, too. It's ruined. It's b**stard ruined.

Do you hear that ?

That's the worlds smallest violin playing just for you...

You sound like such a pathetic loser.

It's £80. BIG DEAL. OH NOES. 80 quid and now my xmas is ruined cos I have to pay 80 quid over 3 weeks. OH NOES. OFFICIER SURLY YOU SHOULD BE OUT CATCHING MURDERERERS!!?! OMG.

I'm sure if you can afford to go out getting ****** then an £80 fine can't be that hard to swallow. I'm a student, I'm poor..but I could afford an £80 without my whole life being ruined.

Don't be so melodramatic.

Originally posted by Rentaknight
Do you hear that ?

That's the worlds smallest violin playing just for you...

Mm Reservoir Dogs

I'm sure if you can afford to go out getting ****** then an £80 fine can't be that hard to swallow. I'm a student, I'm poor..but I could afford an £80 without my whole life being ruined.

No, No, You don't understand.

THIS IS THE END OF THE WORLD!

OMG!

lolz, I'm sure if said ^^^ person was just apologetic and poliete to the police they would of let him off. Usually happens...

And for the record, I'm a student too, and £80 is more than survivalble. I feel sorry for the poor kids in africa...

You can't of been that discreet and private if it was right infront of a manned police car... lol...

It is totally bad luck Pilon.

We've all been there before (taking a leak, not the police car!) but unfortunately you've been caught.

You will be good for the crime figures (as will i will my 37 in a 30 zone points!) and will £80 to the coffers. They put speed cameras on certain safe roads to catch motorists similar to the fact they cruise past nightclub queues looking for those holding his own truncheon. :D

But i've been bursting before and agonising for a pi55 and i bet it was £80 well spent!

I love it how he then goes on about how murderers are getting off, and he's been given fines.. like it's related somehow.

Just a quick point here. What are you supposed to do if you actually are extremely desperate and there is public toilets around and the only choices are to wet yourself or pee somewhere discreet?

Originally posted by Pilon
OK - let's cut to the chase. I'm the guilty party. Banged to rights, guv'nor. It's a fair cop. I committed a crime, albeit a minor one. But is this unjust?

Tonight, I was out in Sheffield city centre with my cousin, who hasn't visited the city in years. We were queuing for the Leadmill nightclub for over an hour, when my bladder could take no more; I needed to relieve myself. Desperately. I'm talking about a code red here. Rupture was imminent.

Well aware of the law, I found a secluded spot, desperate beyond belief, and emptied my bladder in the most humane and private way. Simultaneously to my 'act of desecration', at least twenty other people were emptying their bladders up and down the street, abusing the law and public decency beyond all belief.

As is the Universe, and just my luck, I was caught in the headlights of an undercover police car. I was told abruptly to 'finish up' before I was man-handled into the back of the car like a malevolent criminal. As I said above, I'm the guilty party, banged to rights etc. etc…

It was in the back of this car that I was issued an eighty pounds fine.

Eighty pounds.

Not twenty; not thirty. Eighty.

After twenty-one years of education, aiding the economy of my country and expanding my mind, I am forced, for want of a better income, to be a slave to the morally bankrupt retail system of our society and toil away my life in a clothes shop in Meadowhall, thus earning a rather petty income (that is, incidentally, sapped unfairly by our ridiculous local public transport system.)

I have already accrued a massive debt thanks to my student loan (which I didn't waste on alcohol, thank you very much, but rather the extortionate rate of southern house prices / tuition fees.)

So my Christmas is over. Forget all these threads about having a positive life - 'chin up, and all that' - snub that. Those that remember me posting in the past year or so know that an accident left me seriously injured, so not only do I face my second Christmas lonely, single and in pain, but on top of all that I have to deal with an £80 fine too.

Shouldn't these coppers be out saving the proverbial granny form having her hand-bag snatched? Haven't they got better things to do?

Please don't lecture me on the situation - I am well aware of my short-comings, but when murderers are getting off with a short imprisonment and I, an upstanding member of the community, am having my pitiful wage sapped by a sizeable fine such as this, then where is the justice in this world?

To my humble self, £80 is a hell of a lot of money - more than I can afford. I have three weeks to pay it, which means, in actuality, my Christmas is ruined. I can say goodbye to all the presents I’ve scrimped and saved for, all those gifts for my family; au revoir, auf wiedersehen, farewell.

So merry F***ing Xmas to the South Yorkshire C**tsabulary.

And yes, I am drunk. And yes, I am bitter. And rightly f***ing so, too. It's ruined. It's b**stard ruined.

I suppose it could be argued that you should consider yourself lucky not to be appearing in the local magistrates court as well over this for urinating in the street.This seems to be a particularly bad little habit in Sheffield.

That is a real issue yes. There should be more public convieniences. I know some cities have ones that raise from the ground at night, like urinals. Or portable ones that the council put out at night.

I think they are good ideas, because people need to urinate sometimes. As a girl, I am used to holding it till I get to a toilet though..and if women can, I'm sure men can too.

i warned you didnt i. Was it a redish peugot per chance. They let me off for apologising and saying it wouldnt happen again. But seriously when you HAVE to go what are you meant to do? Personally im not a fan of ******* myself

:rant: It would appear there's little christmas sympathy on this one mate !!!!!!

keep smiling

Where are public toilets when you need them?

Originally posted by spyro2000
Just a quick point here. What are you supposed to do if you actually are extremely desperate and there is public toilets around and the only choices are to wet yourself or pee somewhere discreet?

bus shelters and old red phone boxes were always my favourite:thumbsup:

and a message for the soap dodger...stop whinning and pay up.

I've heard of this happening a few times - once or twice on here. Sounds like they are purposely staking out the leadmill, perhaps to offer support to the bouncers if need arises, but also cos they know they will get a couple of dozen of easy fines for people desperate for the loo.

Just look on the bright side, they could have charged you with indecent exposure, and you would have been looking at a fine several times larger than the piddling £80 that you have now go to pay, and also being labelled as a flasher. Every cloud....... :thumbsup:

Originally posted by beza
Where are public toilets when you need them?

well it seems 2 s********* were sat in the car

I have always managed to wait to get to a toilet and you should get fined its disgusting walking down the street in the morning and having the smell of urine.

And it sounds like you continued your night out if you were ****** writing this thread so you cant be that skint or upset!!!!

You should have waited and I bet you wont do it again!
:)

Originally posted by Pilon
I, an upstanding member of the community, am having my pitiful wage sapped by a sizeable fine such as this, then where is the justice in this world?


An upstanding member of the community wouldn't **** in the street infront of other people.

Bring back cholera I say!

Originally posted by PatzB
I have always managed to wait to get to a toilet and you should get fined its disgusting walking down the street in the morning and having the smell of urine.

And it sounds like you continued your night out if you were ****** writing this thread so you cant be that skint or upset!!!!

You should have waited and I bet you wont do it again!
:)

A bit harsh I feel. We are only animals, and how do you know that smell of urine comes from a human? You dont see dog owners catching their dogs urine very often.
What film was it where that General says " I love the smell of urine in a morning" - well im inclined to agree with him.

Umm, I think that was napalm, not urine. Though with a bitch it has much the same effect on the grass in the garden :)

I think you were lucky to only get an £80 fine. I have a few mates who live around the leadmill and I hate to think what they would have done to you if they caught you weeing against their flats.

Originally posted by JFKvsNixon
I think you were lucky to only get an £80 fine. I have a few mates who live around the leadmill and I hate to think what they would have done to you if they caught you weeing against their flats.

Now THERE'S an idea...people that live nearby could make a killing on a Fri/Sat night simply by offering their loo to desperate members of the Leadmill queue!

This way they don't have people p***ing against the side of their building and they can charge whatever extortionate rates they like (because people do need it THAT badly).

As for the cleanliness issue, it's simple...provide a toilet brush, loo cleaner and a cloth and make it conditional that people clean up after themselves!

I can just see all the sandwich boards lining the pavement now - 'TOILET THIS WAY --> £50 A GO'

:)

Pay the fine

Shut the F**k up and have a solero.

You have my sympathy here, and I totally disagree with all the Puritans slagging you off in this thread.

There aren't enough public loos in Sheffield, and if you're in a nightclub queue for the best part of an hour having had a few pints, you're going to need to urinate. End of story. The police know this and were deliberately staking out the queue looking for easy fines.

Of course urinating in the street isn't a nice thing to do and should be discouraged, but an £80 fine is a hugely disproportionate punishment.

Put it down to bad luck and don't listen to these 'holier than thou' types - you were pretty unlucky.

Originally posted by kirky
bus shelters and old red phone boxes were always my favourite:thumbsup:

and a message for the soap dodger...stop whinning and pay up.

So it was you was it LOL

Pay the fine, if you had the £80 sounds like you'd only p*** it up a wall anyhow :heyhey:

People used to pee at the main door of a flat i lived in, and theres no excuse for it, just that you're a ****** up idiot!!

I used to fill a bucket of cold water and launch it on them, well only when my friends and i were going out on town, provided us with a good laugh anyway, and on a cold winters night probably taught the dirty buggers a lesson or two!!!

MERRY CHRISTMAS to all the forum 'p**s takers' and the 'givers'

PILON why not change your 'forum name' to PISSON, it would be more appropriate.

Have a good Christmas whatever.

Happy Days!

OK - my turn now.

Clearly, I was drunk when I posted this thread, and now, looking back at it, I wish I hadn't. But my humility remained in tact; I was melodramatic yes, (chalk that one up to the alcohol), but self-deprecating too.

I explained the situation clearly and correctly (thanks to my trusty spell-checker!), but am severely disheartened by most people's responses.

Yes, yes, my life isn't over, and my Christmas isn't ruined at all, but I still think £80 is a disproportionate fine AND the lack of public conveniences forces people into a quandary, especially at this busy time of the year.

I stand by what I said - £80 is hell of a lot of money to me, and it being Christmas doesn’t help. And, as it goes, I could only afford to go out because I was out with my cousin who I haven't seen for a long time and he was paying.

But OK - I WAS just extremely unlucky - out of the dozens of people doing it in full view, I considered discretion and jogged off out the way but was 'caught with my pants down', if you will.

So yes, I was bitter, and I said as much. And I exaggerated beyond belief - I've just re-read my post and cringed!

But, with a few notable exceptions, I still didn't expect such a harsh reception. So I shall turn and walk away, abashed, with my tail between my legs (where it should be – and not out in public! ;))

Pilon

hope you have a happy christmas and the hangover is not too bad

P xx

If anything Pilion you have raised a good point with regard to the availability of public toilets in the city centre.
With longer drinking hours i can emagine you'll not be alone in your discomfort and it's about time the council provided more conveniences.
I seem to have a 'half pint bladder' when the weather is cold.

Just a thought - i've not read other posts so maybe its been said, was just wondering how come the 'good' people of our society (i.e. person who started the thread) gets a fine for relieving himself in public when on a daily basis there's street drinkers doing it in front of people, why don't they get done for it? because the police know they can't afford it? i have seen this on a regular basis so its not just a one off and someone i work with tutted at one of them and got told to f-eff!
In summer the stink coming from in between Atkinsons and Sainsbury's made my eyes water, stale urine first thing in a morning is not a nice smell!
Pilon - the police are just doing their job, its not up to them where they get posted in the city or what job they get given, you're just one of the unlucky ones. As for the murderers etc been let off, thats not the police forces fault, its the judges we have and the poor system, it does make me sick but try not to let this ruin your Christmas!

The only thing you did wrong was get caught.

Take it to court and say you didnt take a ****.

How are they gonna prove it? Unless they use a whole heap of tax payers money to collect the evidence and go to the trouble of having it tested in a lab :suspect:

Originally posted by tinkabel
Just a thought - i've not read other posts so maybe its been said, was just wondering how come the 'good' people of our society (i.e. person who started the thread) gets a fine for relieving himself in public when on a daily basis there's street drinkers doing it in front of people, why don't they get done for it? because the police know they can't afford it? i have seen this on a regular basis so its not just a one off and someone i work with tutted at one of them and got told to f-eff!
In summer the stink coming from in between Atkinsons and Sainsbury's made my eyes water, stale urine first thing in a morning is not a nice smell!
Pilon - the police are just doing their job, its not up to them where they get posted in the city or what job they get given, you're just one of the unlucky ones. As for the murderers etc been let off, thats not the police forces fault, its the judges we have and the poor system, it does make me sick but try not to let this ruin your Christmas!

Yes, the police have a job to do and it's not straightforward at the best of the times. However, and as you acknowledge in your first para, they do have discretion as to how they act over certains things (offences!?!) and in this case they appear not to have done that. I agree that £80 fine for this is disproportionate, particularly if Pilon was discreet as he says, and I also agree that this links into the lack of public toliets in Sheffield and nationally.

Occurences like this and other apparently disproportionate responses by all arms of the law (like when the silly c*w who wrote off my sister's car and injured my mum whilst driving with no licence, tax or insurance, and basically got away with it!!) had led and are leading many law abiding citizens to query their views etc.

With all the money that these nightclubs make and knowing that their customers have been drinking, why don't they provide a toilet facillity for people in the queue

Women can't just drop them and pee in the street so why should men be allowed to? It's a health hazard and it's disgusting.

Police are cracking down on general drunken behaviour. You can also be given an £80 fine for being drunk and disorderly, aggressive behaviour and for vomiting in the street. You know before you 'go' that you risk getting the fine so if you're not prepared to take it then don't do it in the first place.

Originally posted by prioryx
With all the money that these nightclubs make and knowing that their customers have been drinking, why don't they provide a toilet facillity for people in the queue

Fair point but then.....isn't there a suggestion that they should pay more for the policing etc...........and anyway, the Govt makes enough money through the tax system (on alcohol and club's profits etc) to fund toilets?!?

Originally posted by Cardinal
Yes, the police have a job to do and it's not straightforward at the best of the times. However, and as you acknowledge in your first para, they do have discretion as to how they act over certains things (offences!?!) and in this case they appear not to have done that. I agree that £80 fine for this is disproportionate, particularly if Pilon was discreet as he says, and I also agree that this links into the lack of public toliets in Sheffield and nationally.

Occurences like this and other apparently disproportionate responses by all arms of the law (like when the silly c*w who wrote off my sister's car and injured my mum whilst driving with no licence, tax or insurance, and basically got away with it!!) had led and are leading many law abiding citizens to query their views etc.

I have to agree with Cardinal on this thread :thumbsup:

While I don't really wish to comment on a specific incident, the police do have a certain degree of discretion in applying their powers, and from the information we have been given, it sounds like they didn't apply common sense here.

There does seem to be a worrying tendency for authority organizations in all walks of life to go for the easy target (perhaps the CSA deserves a mention here), rather than applying themselves a bit harder to finding the more serious wrong-doers. Perhaps because proper miscreants might hit back rather than meekly comply? I only ask.

As Cardinal says, this sort of 'easy target' spotting does not raise the level of esteem the police are held in by many decent, non-crime committing, law-abiding citizens.

StarSparkle

PS The obvious answer is for the nightclubs in question to provide a couple of portaloos, certainly on busy nights? Wouldn't cost that much, surely. Or is that suspiciously like common sense?

Cheers Starsparkle!!

And in the spirit of 'mutual backslapping', I agree with your latest post too!! :clap:

Originally posted by Pilon
OK - let's cut to the chase. I'm the guilty party. Banged to rights, guv'nor. It's a fair cop. I committed a crime, albeit a minor one. But is this unjust?

Nope. You get your knob out in the street mate, you suffer the consequences. We don't want to see it. Good jobs the police had their magnifying glass with them, eh?!

Merry Christmas!

Originally posted by LBoogie
As a girl, I am used to holding it till I get to a toilet though..and if women can, I'm sure men can too.

EXACTLY!!!! But oh no, they wee in the street because they can and then complain when they get caught! So, what exactly is the difference between them and a flasher?

Originally posted by irenewilde
EXACTLY!!!! But oh no, they wee in the street because they can and then complain when they get caught! So, what exactly is the difference between them and a flasher?

I have seen many a drunken lass wazzing in public places.
Years ago one squatted on the steps outside the old Turnups night club, i worked on the door and was told by the manager to move her!
It's not only lads

Originally posted by irenewilde
So, what exactly is the difference between them and a flasher?

I am most certainly not a flasher - there is a world of difference.

I was in an out-of-the-way corner because I had very little choice - I'd been standing in the queue for almost two hours.

Look - I've already posted again today on this thread about how much I exaggerated in my original post, but I will not be compared to a flasher - people who willingly de-robe themselves openly and force people to look at their naked bodies with the sole intent of frightening and disturbing them. It's a little different, methinks.

I was busting for a tinkle, and totally in control of my actions, if not my bladder, and I'm paying the price.

I sympathise ... and I agree its unjust. Nothing worse than being desperate for a pee. Where did the copper expect you to go? Done it myself with the help of a look out. What is the answer to this dilemma? carry a suitable recepticle?

Originally posted by Twiglet

Police are cracking down on general drunken behaviour. You can also be given an £80 fine for being drunk and disorderly, aggressive behaviour and for vomiting in the street.

Just wondered how anyone is supposed to stop themselves being sick, when i want to be sick, i just am, can't stop it like you can urinating!

Originally posted by tinkabel
Just wondered how anyone is supposed to stop themselves being sick, when i want to be sick, i just am, can't stop it like you can urinating!

I think this is a case where discretion does apply. Obviously they only fine you if you are sick because you are drunk, not because you are ill. Lesson being - don't get so drunk that you vomit all over someone else's doorstep.

as long as its discreet, i always go further away to be discreet, i dont think theres anythin wrong tbh
if you need to go, you need to go
public toilets are disappearing fast and more and more pubs etc are sticking up signs to the effect of "these toilets are for patrons only"

most people do it, unfortunately your the one caught :(

Originally posted by spyro2000
Take it to court and say you didnt take a ****.

How are they gonna prove it? Unless they use a whole heap of tax payers money to collect the evidence and go to the trouble of having it tested in a lab :suspect:

In these mad times of making easy money and making detection figures look good they probably would.

Much easier to chase the normally law abiding for a small (no pun pilon) indescretion than to catch ur average thief or drug dealer.

Originally posted by Twiglet
Women can't just drop them and pee in the street so why should men be allowed to? It's a health hazard and it's disgusting.



I beg to differ.

At 2am there are plenty of women from Sheffield who dont think twice about squatting in the street to relieve themselves.

Classy.

The new £80.00 fine has been introduced to help the police reclaim the streets from the 1000's of idiots who drink too much and act like children.

P*****g in the street is just one tiny part of such behavior and in this case the fine has obviously worked and made one of these idiots think twice before being anti-social.


I'm all for it.

Originally posted by Klix
I beg to differ.

At 2am there are plenty of women from Sheffield who dont think twice about squatting in the street to relieve themselves.

Classy.

The new £80.00 fine has been introduced to help the police reclaim the streets from the 1000's of idiots who drink too much and act like children.

P*****g in the street is just one tiny part of such behavior and in this case the fine has obviously worked and made one of these idiots think twice before being anti-social.


I'm all for it.

1000's of idiots? No. A handful of idiots among thousands of people who legally go out and have a good time while making a major contribution to the sheffield economy.

Personally, I think the fine is harsh. If it was the middle of Fargate during the day, then a fine would be justified, but how many of us can say we've never been caught short between venues on a night out?

Like others have said, discretion is the key. We all need to p***, just not in view of others preferably.

Originally posted by ole1
1000's of idiots? No. A handful of idiots among thousands of people who legally go out and have a good time while making a major contribution to the sheffield economy.


That all depends on your definition of what is idiotic behaviour I suppose.

Originally posted by Klix
That all depends on your definition of what is idiotic behaviour I suppose.

why not tell us your definition?

Originally posted by ole1
why not tell us your definition?


will it make any difference to your opinion?

Originally posted by Klix
will it make any difference to your opinion?

It may do, but not if u cant put up an arguement for your wild accusations about the generally good ppl of sheffield.

And just out of interest if u dont like ppl going out and having a good time why choose to live in s1?

Ole1 - there are far more than a handful of idiots that behave like that. Witness shop doorways running in urine and worse on a Sat / Sunday morning - broken windows - litter all over the place - NGH A & E dealing with the results of violence from the city centre the night before.

Urinating in the street is just one issue that has to be dealt with, and if you're daft enough to do it - you pay the ticket. Like many other offences - if you don't want to get caught, don't do it. And don't winge when the Police pick you up for it - cos thats their job.

Take it to court - simple, the bobbies who witnessed it will go and give evidence and it will be sorted that way. Oh, and the costs will be passed back to the defendant.

Originally posted by barnie41
Ole1 - there are far more than a handful of idiots that behave like that. Witness shop doorways running in urine and worse on a Sat / Sunday morning - broken windows - litter all over the place - NGH A & E dealing with the results of violence from the city centre the night before.

Urinating in the street is just one issue that has to be dealt with, and if you're daft enough to do it - you pay the ticket. Like many other offences - if you don't want to get caught, don't do it. And don't winge when the Police pick you up for it - cos thats their job.

Take it to court - simple, the bobbies who witnessed it will go and give evidence and it will be sorted that way. Oh, and the costs will be passed back to the defendant.

i will have nothing to defend as i have never been in trouble with the police.

klix posted that there were 1000's of idiots... well i asked him to back that up, now i will ask u, where is ur evidence of 1000's of ppl in sheffield behaving in that way?

I shall be out in town tonight, i shall probably be drunk and have never caused any trouble nor have i witnessed much trouble... why should I and thousands of other decent people be accused of such behaviour by ppl plucking figures out of the air merely to suit their own prejudices?

No prejudices at all my friend - nor did I imply that.

Take a good look tonight then - yeah there will be loads of people out having a great time - but look at the amount of people who will be off their heads and incapable of knowing even where they are, never mind what they are doing.

I never said anything about 1000's of people doing that, what I was stating was that there are far more than a handful acting in a totally anti social manner.

Try being there about 5am and see whats left behind, you'll not see everyone pi**ing in the street, but you'll see and smell whats left behind.

Have a good night out Ole1 - keep it in your trousers and have a good Xmas.

Originally posted by barnie41
No prejudices at all my friend - nor did I imply that.

Take a good look tonight then - yeah there will be loads of people out having a great time - but look at the amount of people who will be off their heads and incapable of knowing even where they are, never mind what they are doing.

I never said anything about 1000's of people doing that, what I was stating was that there are far more than a handful acting in a totally anti social manner.

Try being there about 5am and see whats left behind, you'll not see everyone pi**ing in the street, but you'll see and smell whats left behind.

Have a good night out Ole1 - keep it in your trousers and have a good Xmas.

thanks for ur good wishes, same to you.

there are some idiots, a handful meaning a reletively small percentage as i'm sure will become evident when klix comes up with some figures. Theres seems to be a media led panic at the moment regarding alcohol abuse and too many people allow this to cloud their opinions.

does anyone else think its time there was less viewing of reality tv and more going out and experiencing reality?

Today, in broad daylight, a drunk man was ******* on himself outside The Bankers Draft. It was a pleasant site...

Originally posted by ole1
It may do, but not if u cant put up an arguement for your wild accusations about the generally good ppl of sheffield.

And just out of interest if u dont like ppl going out and having a good time why choose to live in s1?


Get a grip bloke. Saying that 1000's of people are anti social in a city with over half a million residents is hardly a slur on the people of Sheffield.

IMO those people who drink so much that they lose control of themselves are being anti-social. Go out in Sheffield on a Saturday night and you will see 1000’s of people who are no longer in full control of there actions. People being aggressive, foul mouthed and generally not very pleasant for no other reason than they have had too much alcohol. I’m not particularly picking on Sheffield because it’s the same in every town and city across the country. WE have a massive problem in this country with alcohol, we have somehow allowed a culture to develop where far too many people see the answer to there problems in the bottom of a glass.

Some facts and figures for you

In nearly half (48%) of all violent incidents, victims believed offenders to be under the influence of alcohol this figure rose to 60% in cases of 'stranger violence'
British Medical Association reported that alcohol is a factor in

60-70% homicides
75% stabbings
70% beatings
50% fights and domestic abuse

Mouth cancer caused by excessive alcohol now kills more people in the UK than cervical cancer and testicular cancer put together - some 1,600 people last year. Yet more than 75% of cases are preventable by quitting smoking and drinking alcohol only in moderation

The National Association of Probation Officers advice that 58% of prisoners have severe alcohol problems and that alcohol is a factor in their offence or pattern of offending.

These are all national statistics and so are compleetely relevant to Sheffield.

******* in the street is the tip of the iceberg when it comes to alcohol related disorder but it’s a good place to start because as far as I am concerned if a bloke has got drunk enough to get his nob out in public he could just as easily be the same bloke who is drunk enough to take offence to an innocent look that you might give him and end up stamping on your head until you are dead. If you don’t think that could happen to you then you are living in a dream world and need to have a word with yourself.

You may be surprised to hear that I am in fact a licence holder and have worked in the trade in various positions over the years so I’m no killjoy and know what I’m talking about. Sheffield along with the rest of the UK has a problem which needs sorting. Luckily for me I make sure that I don’t move or work in the same circles as those people who behave like idiots after a few drinks.

serves u right m8... why should i have to walk thru places that stink and are covered in ****? Hope they get more.

Just a quick note from me, the 'one in question' - I've edited my original post.

I'm not trying to worm my way out of what happened, I just felt the need to justify myself a little, and pass on my yuletide wishes.

Pilon

I think its great you got a fine. Your disgusting and lucky not to be in court where you would then have a criminal record. As for finding murderers and robbers, due to the new licencing laws and the fact that a lot of people cannot drink sensibly the police have a role in maintaining public order in the city, thus the level of police 'out on the beat'. Sure someone once complained about not enough bobbies out there. If its any consolation they'll probably be on ot.

Originally posted by Pilon

I just felt the need to justify myself a little,
Pilon

There is no justification for this sort of behaviour. Just stop feeling sorry for yourself and pay the fine.

Oh, nearly forgot, Merry Christmas.

you moron.

you've just written all of that post, to say your annoyed for an 80 pound fine becuase you were urinating in the street?





WELL DONT DO IT NEXT TIME.



and if you dont like the 80 pounds fine (which, is actually a standard fine for public order offenses) then vote for another party in the next election - though you might find it hard pressed to find one which indeed would not INCREASE the fine level for such offenses, in which case

get over it.

funny how half the people here blame pilon and the other half the council.

I presume the ones that blame pilon have never been caught somewhere in need with no public conveniences to hand?

Sheffield probably has the lowest number of public toilets per capita of any city in the country (based on my own observation, which isn't exactly a scientific study).

If you can't pay the fine, don't do the crime. ;)

Well, personally Pilon, I think you're a fool for doing what you did! I mean, who but a fool would queue for nearly two hours to get into a club?? :D

As for you being 'caught short'... I'm amazed by the number of self-righteous folks on here that evidently have copious bladders... As I see it, "If You Gotta Go, You Gotta Go!" and you have my sympathy... for getting caught.

A possible solution may be the installation of vending machines outside clubs, from which the 'cross-legged ones' who are queuing, can purchase incontinence pads. The obvious drawback being that if you later 'score', then it may cramp your style, not to mention lowering your sex-appeal more than somewhat! ;)

Originally posted by t020
If you can't pay the fine, don't do the crime. ;)

WTF?! You posting something I actually AGREE with?! :shocked:

Merry Christmas to Eccleshall and the rest of S11 anyway.

not being funny or anything,


but if I urinated in the street, and the police caught me - undercover or not, i'd totally accept that I had to pay a fine.


No, I would not be happy. Pretty annoyed - queuing for hours and needing to go urgently - but the point is - everyone knows it is looked on as anti social behaviour, and if your going to do it, accept the conesquences and dont go moaning your head off on a forum on the internet about it.


seriously, fix up! the area round the leadmill is largely student / private accomodation - if you were going to the loo up my wall then either i'd make you clean it with a toothbrush myself or accept and be happy you got fined by the police for it.


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