Hi everyone
In regard to Excel parking I dont come from Sheffield, but I parked on a car park in Stockport last June 2005 I parked in a disabled place although I had no blue badge I am still disabled and needed to get a motorised scooter out of my car, the parking space was marked disabled but was a good distance away from the shops I paid and displayed a ticket.
On returning to my car i noticed the ticket and as soon as i got home I emailed excel to tell them my story, I got only an email back telling me they had received my email and they would contact me!!!
Today 13/06/06I received a letter telling me to pay £40 before 21st if i dont it will go up to £100 and then to court.
I am blinking disgusted A WHOLE YEAR to sent a letter that according to them they didnt know they had untill they did their audit !!!

I am happy to fight this I know I shouldnt have parked on disable space but 1. it was miles from the shop 2. I am disabled 3. I paid and displayed......
ok what do you all think I should do, remeber we are talking about this happening a YEAR ago this is their first contact with me......
Daisy
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Pay the fine. Blue badges need to be displayed if using disabled bay, if you don't display it you can't expect to be exempt.

Pay the fine. Blue badges need to be displayed if using disabled bay, if you don't display it you can't expect to be exempt.

Im afraid that he is right, if you didn't have your badge you might have been able to find a parking spot closer that wasn't just for disabled people?

If you're disabled, get a blue badge then you've got good grounds to appeal it.

thing is surley they shoul dhave replied to my appeal 12 months ago instead of writing only when they "recently carried out an audit of their system?"
you would think that a competant company would be able to reply to appeals in good time.
They took a year to reply, and then demand payment in 7 days?

a little unfair I should say

beware of any car park being operated by Excel parking - they charge ridiculous fines, - scum..

to be fair you shouldnt have parked in the disabled spot without a badge..

but then again they shouldnt have taken so long to respond to you - got to your local C.A.B and see what they say

Surely your blue badge was on display? They might have missed it :)

thing is surley they shoul dhave replied to my appeal 12 months ago instead of writing only when they "recently carried out an audit of their system?"
you would think that a competant company would be able to reply to appeals in good time.
They took a year to reply, and then demand payment in 7 days?

a little unfair I should say

I believe there is a time limit when asking for fines, though I don't know what it is.

I'm not familiar with Excel, are these operating private carparks or employed to manage the councils own public carparks?

If public, does Stockport run a Decriminalised Parking Scheme? If so there may be a number of ways to avoid paying.

1... What colour was the disabled bay? Most have them as yellow, but I believe that to comply with the law they have to be white.

2... Use the Bill of Rights Act (which states you cannot be fined without being convicted of an offence in court) as your defence.

Either way, I wouldn't be paying if they'd taken a year to ask for the money, just ignore it and throw it away and wait to see if they bother with court (I'll wager they dont!).

Hi. I actually work as the finance manager/credit controller of a privately owned carpark enforcement company in london. I have to tell you, unfortunately your ticket was issued correctly as you did not have a valid disable badge displayed when you parked in the disabled bay. You can appeal your ticket/fine but I unfortunately it will be declined and the fine will stil stand along with any additional charges they have thrown in.
Because it is a year ago, i would only be paying for the amount of the ticket at the time of issue and not any outstanding fees they have added because they were too slack in their accounting procedures to notice the outstanding debt.
There is no way to get out of the fine. i would contact the company Excell direct and try to pay to them. that way you may get away with only paying the fine and not the extra fees. if you pay to the debt collector directly (and you may well have to) they will ask for all money up front plus any fees or you can have the option of paying it off over the next few months if you are not very financial at the moment.
Where I work we get a lot of disabled badge holders who believe they can park whereever the choose and not have to pay. this is not the case in privately owned carparks. there are specific rules/conditions which MUST be displayed in the carpark notifying drivers of the conditions they must abide by. if you are in briech of these conditions you will be fined like everyone else.
I suggest you just pay the fine.sorry.

Hi everyone
In regard to Excel parking I dont come from Sheffield, but I parked on a car park in Stockport last June 2005 I parked in a disabled place although I had no blue badge I am still disabled and needed to get a motorised scooter out of my car, the parking space was marked disabled but was a good distance away from the shops I paid and displayed a ticket.

Daisy
xx

They're a nasty bunch. What I would say is, no matter whether you decide to pay the fine or take other advice, as long as you've told them that you're appealing/taking advice, don't ever pay any extra fines. They'll start invoicing you for additional fines, before you know it you'll be up to £150 plus. They did that to me - kept threatening debt collectors and bailiffs - and all I did was write back (every now and again, when I could be bothered) and say, fine, I'll see you in court then. Eventually (it took a year of being hassled) they seem to have stopped bothering. I reckon they count on the fact that a lot of people will eventually pay all the excess charges just to be rid of them.
They're a bunch of bullies.

Edit: imo, if it DOES get to court (and it's less scary than you might imagine!) the fact that you DO have a disabled badge and paid anyway will go in your favour. That and the fact that you wrote to them explaining the fact. The court (imo) will probably take the common-sense view that you ARE disabled, thus were entitled to park in the space. The fact that you paid was a gesture to the fact that you didn't have the badge, but in fact you DID HAVE need of the space and thus weren't parking near to the exit (or whatever) wrongly. You weren't taking the space from someone who needed it more, and thus to continue to chase you ( especially given that you paid for your parking in lieu of displaying your badge) is unfair. It was right that you were given the ticket, but I think a reasonable judge would say that as you were in fact disabled, you were using the space in the spirit in which the space was intended, and thus your appeal to Excel should have been allowed.

Edit: imo, if it DOES get to court (and it's less scary than you might imagine!) the fact that you DO have a disabled badge and paid anyway will go in your favour. That and the fact that you wrote to them explaining the fact. The court (imo) will probably take the common-sense view that you ARE disabled, thus were entitled to park in the space. The fact that you paid was a gesture to the fact that you didn't have the badge, but in fact you DID HAVE need of the space and thus weren't parking near to the exit (or whatever) wrongly. You weren't taking the space from someone who needed it more, and thus to continue to chase you ( especially given that you paid for your parking in lieu of displaying your badge) is unfair. It was right that you were given the ticket, but I think a reasonable judge would say that as you were in fact disabled, you were using the space in the spirit in which the space was intended, and thus your appeal to Excel should have been allowed.

Courts cannot take the common-sense view that a person is disabled — even if they arrive in court in a wheelchair or two sticks. Before you can get a Disabled Badge you have to apply to the Local Authority which issues the Badge only after a doctor has given the applicant a thorough examination. Just paying the parking fee does not entitle a none-badge driver to park in a disabled bay.

Courts cannot take the common-sense view that a person is disabled — even if they arrive in court in a wheelchair or two sticks. Before you can get a Disabled Badge you have to apply to the Local Authority which issues the Badge only after a doctor has given the applicant a thorough examination. Just paying the parking fee does not entitle a none-badge driver to park in a disabled bay.

Fair comment - I'd had the impression from reading other posts that the OP HAD a badge, but just not with her at the time. Upon reading the OP again, it is apparent that she doesn't have one. However, if it DOES go to court, I'm sure the OP could get some sort of evidence from her doctor to confirm that she is truly disabled and thus had some claim to park in that spot.

Just read this article about Excel Parking who say they are not out to profiteer from the disabled. http://www.people.co.uk/news/tm_headline=parking-beater%26method=full%26objectid=20968588%26siteid= 93463-name_page.html

psst - this thread is two years old. I don't know why you have searched for it then resurrected it, but I think the OP may have concluded the matter by now.

Anyone else with Excel Parking issues at the moment can use the search facility to find useful threads about them. The usual point is that they cannot issue mandatory "fines" or "penalty charges", they are simply using contract law combined with lots of hot air and bluster to scare people into paying charges that often are not necessary to pay.

psst - this thread is two years old. I don't know why you have searched for it then resurrected it, but I think the OP may have concluded the matter by now.

Anyone else with Excel Parking issues at the moment can use the search facility to find useful threads about them. The usual point is that they cannot issue mandatory "fines" or "penalty charges", they are simply using contract law combined with lots of hot air and bluster to scare people into paying charges that often are not necessary to pay.

The reason I resurrected it was because I read on the forum that people had still been having problems with Excel and thought that it was pertinent to let people know what can be resolved if newspapers become involved. Please forgive me if I have spoilt your Sunday by bringing an old post back to life. :loopy:

Easy answer to all this, as I often have said, just ignore it. They never enforce the penalties in court because if they lose it will set a precedent, they just send lots of nasty intimidating letters which mean nothing and then they go away. If you are clamped, take them to court for your money back.

Easy answer to all this, as I often have said, just ignore it. They never enforce the penalties in court because if they lose it will set a precedent, they just send lots of nasty intimidating letters which mean nothing and then they go away. If you are clamped, take them to court for your money back.

They do and they win. It's a contract. Park crap and you break the contract. It really is that simple.

The good way to remember Parking contracts is like with websites. By using this website you are agreeing to abide by the terms and conditions. It's the same for private car parks.

They do and they win. It's a contract. Park crap and you break the contract. It really is that simple.

The good way to remember Parking contracts is like with websites. By using this website you are agreeing to abide by the terms and conditions. It's the same for private car parks.It doesn't stand up to scrutiny in court. Show me a case they have won in court please.

It doesn't stand up to scrutiny in court. Show me a case they have won in court please.


And who wipes your arse for you?

The charge is a charge for breaking the contract. Fail to pay the charge and it becomes a debt. The funds are pursued in court (once all other angles for pursuance have been exhausted). Hence they do take matters to court and they win.

They have won.

And who wipes your arse for you?

The charge is a charge for breaking the contract. Fail to pay the charge and it becomes a debt. The funds are pursued in court (once all other angles for pursuance have been exhausted). Hence they do take matters to court and they win.

They have won.No need for that first idiotic sentence thanks, that doesn't enhance your postings too well.

As I said in the other post, please let me see evidence of a successful court case. The charge should in fact be an invoice for parking btw and these demands are not for payment of an invoice, there's more to enforcing a contract in court than a few snotty letters.

No need for that first idiotic sentence thanks, that doesn't enhance your postings too well.

As I said in the other post, please let me see evidence of a successful court case. The charge should in fact be an invoice for parking btw and these demands are not for payment of an invoice, there's more to enforcing a contract in court than a few snotty letters.

Unfortunately they have won.. I know because yes... I admit I worked in the offices (not doing the case admin though just a general dogsbody) briefly and I just know they have won. Dunno how mnay times/when but at least once when I was there. Some of the people there enjoy making people pay silly amounts of money but it's because they are private car parks and they display signs warning of what will happen. I dunno about people who ignore letters etc. though as I wasn't there that long and not in that section as I said so maybe there is truth in that I couldn't say.

Unfortunately they have won.. I know because yes... I admit I worked in the offices (not doing the case admin though just a general dogsbody) briefly and I just know they have won. Dunno how mnay times/when but at least once when I was there. Some of the people there enjoy making people pay silly amounts of money but it's because they are private car parks and they display signs warning of what will happen. I dunno about people who ignore letters etc. though as I wasn't there that long and not in that section as I said so maybe there is truth in that I couldn't say.I'd need some hard evidence of that rather than just hearsay I'm afraid because there is so much talk of the consequences of ignoring/not paying that it is important to know for a fact that any of these cases have been successful in court. At the moment, as I keep saying, I'm not convinced it will stand up in court. This is private car parks btw, not parking on the street.

I'd need some hard evidence of that rather than just hearsay I'm afraid because there is so much talk of the consequences of ignoring/not paying that it is important to know for a fact that any of these cases have been successful in court. At the moment, as I keep saying, I'm not convinced it will stand up in court. This is private car parks btw, not parking on the street.

Well it's not hearsay for me because I worked there when a manager and someone else went to court somewhere to represent Excel BUT I do know what you mean. Obviously I cannot provide evidence, either.
I think the way some of the appeals are handled is pretty disgusting but ah well, just my opinion. It's how they make money I suppose, you should read the signs and understand the rules fully before parkiing in one of their car parks as it's not alwasy the same rules as other places. If you don't, then they are on you like a tonne of bricks.

I'd need some hard evidence of that rather than just hearsay I'm afraid because there is so much talk of the consequences of ignoring/not paying that it is important to know for a fact that any of these cases have been successful in court. At the moment, as I keep saying, I'm not convinced it will stand up in court. This is private car parks btw, not parking on the street.

Here's one. Clicky (http://www.rochdaleonline.co.uk/news-features/2/community-news/15278/judge-enforces-parking-penalty-in-landmark-case). May not be the company in question but they do win in court.

I imagine what with you knowing so much about parking enforcement you will also be aware of the new ruling announced the other day regarding owners taking responsibility for their vehicles? Seems like more will win in court too.

Now, that arse of yours.

Here's one. Clicky (http://www.rochdaleonline.co.uk/news-features/2/community-news/15278/judge-enforces-parking-penalty-in-landmark-case). May not be the company in question but they do win in court.

I imagine what with you knowing so much about parking enforcement you will also be aware of the new ruling announced the other day regarding owners taking responsibility for their vehicles? Seems like more will win in court too.

Now, that arse of yours.Ok, we'll see what happens but it does say that it is a landmark ruling which implies that up until that case no parking company has won and the circumstances of parking in a permit area may well be different.

Maybe you can explain to us exactly why it is necessary for you to be abusive about this just because we don't agree. Doesn't really say much about you does it?

Maybe you can explain to us exactly why it is necessary for you to be abusive about this just because we don't agree. Doesn't really say much about you does it?

I found your attitude to others smug, especially when you were told otherwise. If you want to prove something wrong, it's up to you to prove it. I did my bit.

Had you paid more attention you would have noticed that the charge turns into a debt and therefore is enforceable in court once all avenues have been exhausted.

Telling people to leave it is incorrect advice which could get them in to further trouble. I'll leave your arse alone now.

I found your attitude to others smug, especially when you were told otherwise. If you want to prove something wrong, it's up to you to prove it. I did my bit.

Had you paid more attention you would have noticed that the charge turns into a debt and therefore is enforceable in court once all avenues have been exhausted.

Telling people to leave it is incorrect advice which could get them in to further trouble. I'll leave your arse alone now.I asked for someone to provide some evidence as I had not seen any because until that case there wasn't any, you have done and so I accept that one case has been won so far. From other stuff that your link has lead me to it is by no means certain that others will also be won. I don't think it's me that's being smug on this.

I asked for someone to provide some evidence as I had not seen any because until that case there wasn't any, you have done and so I accept that one case has been won so far. From other stuff that your link has lead me to it is by no means certain that others will also be won. I don't think it's me that's being smug on this.

You were giving out wrong advice. I apologise for mentioning your arse. I won't do it again.

I understand the new "landmark" announced recently has essentially stopped consumer forums from offering the advice of "tell them it wasn't you driving".

You were giving out wrong advice. I apologise for mentioning your arse. I won't do it again.

I understand the new "landmark" announced recently has essentially stopped consumer forums from offering the advice of "tell them it wasn't you driving".

I completely disagree. A case won in a County Court does not set a precedent that other courts must follow. This can only be done via a High Court ruling. The general advice from the more well known consumer forums is to ask the parking company to contact the driver as the alleged breach of contract in relation to a private parking ticket is between the driver of the vehicle and the land owner or their represenatives. The registered keeper of a vehicle is under no legal obligation whatsoever to name the driver unless the offence is covered by the Road Traffic Act i.e. a speeding ticket. Excel lost a court case in Mansfield recently where the judge agreed that the extortionate amount someone was charged amounted to an illegal penalty, which is outlawed under contract law. As it goes, only a handful of private parking companies will take matters to court and yes a few of them do win as seen with the Rochdale case. I suspect most of these are either default wins i.e the defendant has failed to show up in court or the defence submitted by the defendant was very poor. The fact is that the vast majority of people who receive a so called 'parking ticket' will pay up without question because they assume it's official (not to mention all the threatograms they receive). The majority of people who have told the parking compaies to go and spin have not had to pay a penny, myself included.

is an online newspaper telling people not to listen to online advice an oxymoron?








I`ll wait to see the court docs.

You were giving out wrong advice. I apologise for mentioning your arse. I won't do it again.

I understand the new "landmark" announced recently has essentially stopped consumer forums from offering the advice of "tell them it wasn't you driving".That wasn't the "advice" I was giving, I was suggesting people completely ignore it. I wouldn't advise anyone to take the route taken in your quoted case as it was clear he was lying about not driving or knowing who was driving which will have got the judge's back up. If a person ignores the ticket, that allegation cannot be thrown at him. I have done this btw and I'm going somewhere this evening where I'm tempted to try it just to see what happens, for our entertainment. If they take me to court and win, I'll pay. Do you want to make a wager on it?

Hi. I actually work as the finance manager/credit controller of a privately owned carpark enforcement company in london. I have to tell you, unfortunately your ticket was issued correctly as you did not have a valid disable badge displayed when you parked in the disabled bay. You can appeal your ticket/fine but I unfortunately it will be declined and the fine will stil stand along with any additional charges they have thrown in.
Because it is a year ago, i would only be paying for the amount of the ticket at the time of issue and not any outstanding fees they have added because they were too slack in their accounting procedures to notice the outstanding debt.
There is no way to get out of the fine. i would contact the company Excell direct and try to pay to them. that way you may get away with only paying the fine and not the extra fees. if you pay to the debt collector directly (and you may well have to) they will ask for all money up front plus any fees or you can have the option of paying it off over the next few months if you are not very financial at the moment.
Where I work we get a lot of disabled badge holders who believe they can park whereever the choose and not have to pay. this is not the case in privately owned carparks. there are specific rules/conditions which MUST be displayed in the carpark notifying drivers of the conditions they must abide by. if you are in briech of these conditions you will be fined like everyone else.
I suggest you just pay the fine.sorry.
HI Just read your post re parking fine, thought you might be able to give me some info. I have recently been sent a parking icket for the excel car park at Broomhill (above the shops). I parked there during that ridiculousy snowy period and found when I tried to pay that the ticket machine got jammed, I even lost 50p in the machine. I had my young children with and so did not want to move the car and search for anoth space as parking was shocking due to the snow. So I thought I would do the decent thing and siplayed a noice in my window with my number on it explaining why I had not paid. As they use cctv not wardens I got a ticket. I wrote to them to explain, but they have said that they have no record of their machine needing maintenance and that I should have rung the helpline.

Just considereing if I should just pay it and bite the bullet, but I am very uhappy to do so as I lost money in their machine and yet am still being treated as if I purposeky evaded the ticket. Any advice?? Anyone???

HI Just read your post re parking fine, thought you might be able to give me some info. I have recently been sent a parking icket for the excel car park at Broomhill (above the shops). I parked there during that ridiculousy snowy period and found when I tried to pay that the ticket machine got jammed, I even lost 50p in the machine. I had my young children with and so did not want to move the car and search for anoth space as parking was shocking due to the snow. So I thought I would do the decent thing and siplayed a noice in my window with my number on it explaining why I had not paid. As they use cctv not wardens I got a ticket. I wrote to them to explain, but they have said that they have no record of their machine needing maintenance and that I should have rung the helpline.

Just considereing if I should just pay it and bite the bullet, but I am very uhappy to do so as I lost money in their machine and yet am still being treated as if I purposeky evaded the ticket. Any advice?? Anyone???

Do not pay.

Ignore it.

Search the many threads on here for more info.

HI Just read your post re parking fine, thought you might be able to give me some info. I have recently been sent a parking icket for the excel car park at Broomhill (above the shops). I parked there during that ridiculousy snowy period and found when I tried to pay that the ticket machine got jammed, I even lost 50p in the machine. I had my young children with and so did not want to move the car and search for anoth space as parking was shocking due to the snow. So I thought I would do the decent thing and siplayed a noice in my window with my number on it explaining why I had not paid. As they use cctv not wardens I got a ticket. I wrote to them to explain, but they have said that they have no record of their machine needing maintenance and that I should have rung the helpline.

Just considereing if I should just pay it and bite the bullet, but I am very uhappy to do so as I lost money in their machine and yet am still being treated as if I purposeky evaded the ticket. Any advice?? Anyone???

Yeah, go to the Star, and ask them to print this and for their help.

Who does this car park belong to? They need to know what has happened and how you have been treated by this "parking company" called Excel that they use. If you find out it belongs to the Spar shop, then I will also add that to my list of businesses that I am boycotting as they use Excel. There are lots of good businesses in Sheffield that don't resort to this, who are more deserving of our business.

I have a query about a parking fine notice I received yesterday. It was for the Tesco car park on Berkeley Precinct (Ecclesall Road). Much as I am surprised (as I go there regularly and always mindful of the 2 hour restriction - clearly had an off day at the time with not noticing an extra half an hour!), I admit that they must be correct about me exceeding the time limit. They also got my car on camera entering and leaving the car park.

However I would like to simply double check, before I pay the £60 (full charge £100!!!) fine, should I be paying this much. I expect the answer will be, if it is on a notice, which it probably is somewhere in the car park, then according to contract law I am obliged to pay the amount stated. But it just seems excessive, last year I was fined for parking in town for an hour more than was allowed and only paid £25, which seemed reasonable for the mistake I made. But £60, which is not even going to the council, I have reservations about.

Not looking to enter into arguments about parking (looked through some threads about it here - blimey things get heated don't they:))

just dont pay it ignore their letters they cant do anything its not a fine its just an invoice you will get more letters but dont respond

I have a query about a parking fine notice I received yesterday. It was for the Tesco car park on Berkeley Precinct (Ecclesall Road). Much as I am surprised (as I go there regularly and always mindful of the 2 hour restriction - clearly had an off day at the time with not noticing an extra half an hour!), I admit that they must be correct about me exceeding the time limit. They also got my car on camera entering and leaving the car park.

However I would like to simply double check, before I pay the £60 (full charge £100!!!) fine, should I be paying this much. I expect the answer will be, if it is on a notice, which it probably is somewhere in the car park, then according to contract law I am obliged to pay the amount stated. But it just seems excessive, last year I was fined for parking in town for an hour more than was allowed and only paid £25, which seemed reasonable for the mistake I made. But £60, which is not even going to the council, I have reservations about.

Not looking to enter into arguments about parking (looked through some threads about it here - blimey things get heated don't they:))

Do not pay ANYTHING to Excel. You have received a legally unenforcable invoice. Under contact law, they are only allowed to recover their losses arising from the breach of contract. If the car park is free, their loss is £0. Also, a £60 charge could be interpreted as a penalty clause, which is completely illegal in contract law. Excel lost a court case in Mansfield a few years ago because the judge declared that the invoice amounted to intimidation and harassment.

Do not contact them and certainly do not engage with their so called 'appeals' process.

You will probably receive 3 or 4 threatograms demanding that you pay up (including some from a dubious outfit called Graham White Solicitors). Just hold your nerve and ignore them all.

I am worried about even a hint of a possibility of any legal action. I can't afford to have any sort of credit/legal problems on my record due to the nature of my work. There is no way I'd go to court with them (as someone in Mansfield clearly did:) even though they won!), it's similar to a claim on your car insurance, it can damage your no claims bonus whether you were at fault or not.. OK perhaps not a good comparison.

It angers me though, how easy it is to intimidate people. Basically Excel can put any figure on their invoice, the worries would still be there - so in theory they could pick one out of the blue - I am assuming as they are a private outfit they could threaten to fine you £500!

i can see where they get the reputation for being such bullies. You get the elderly and the vulnerable who are easily frightened; you get those who already have credit problems and couldn't risk any more; you get those who are worried about the impact of an adverse history on their job... they have all sections of society covered!!:rant:

What would happen if I sent them a cheque for £20 - will they reissue the invoice? Half-joking here, it still is a risky thing to do for me..

I am also angry because now I am going to avoid parking there altogether despite its handy location. OK I would have been more careful about the timing, but, I have heard stories about people being fined for their car bumper overhanging the pavement and other ludicrous reasons, and I certainlycan't afford to neither pay £60 every so often or, to face the stress that comes from receiving letters like this!

There is nothing to be worried about because it will never reach court in the first place. It's all a numbers game to them. They know that by making these ludicrous threats that most people will accept the parking ticket as genuine. Just ignore them and move on with your life. The few times that they have taken matters to court resulted in them loosing the case. Hold your nerve.

I have just had another "parking charge notice" from this lot. I will ignore it again, they give up after about a year of "final" notices. The bill will go up to about £350 during this time, don't be intimidated because they will never be able to make a reasonable claim in law.

they could threaten to fine you £500!

it is NOT a fine its just an invoice they cant make you pay it so dont worry

excel hasn't won anything, the best they have achieved is an out of court settlement with e guy who chose to defend himself and made a pigs ear of it.

I have just had another "parking charge notice" from this lot.

Do you just park where ever you feel like it?

No, the first one was at Chan's at Millhouses. It was in the evening, Chan's was closed, when we came back to the car a man was writing a ticket. I was not illegally parked, I was a customer. I think a £60 bill for a few minutes parking is a little excessive.

The second one is for being a few minutes over the 2 hours permitted, at 11.30pm in an empty car park. Again, not really good value for money and no-one was being denied a parking space.

Mansfield court case- charges ruled illegal by judge
http://www.chad.co.uk/news/local/jud...legal_1_701811


Watchdog- Ann Robinson and a solicitor advising people the charges are unenforceable
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbbZtxzrJAI

and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlPjpW_6pGc

My Invoice topped £800.00.Did I pay " NO ", as been said IGNOR ,they will phone
just put the phone down.They will go away.

Thanks Chris that was informative and might make the doubters on here see some sense.

And Mr Gobby, they kept ringing me up threatening to take me to court (or rather their solicitors did) in the end I kept them waiting for about 15 minutes while I went to find myself.

Don't give them any replies or waste any time worrying about their absurd charges.

Help please!!

I have received 2 phone calls from a so called solicitor regarding an excel parking ticket I have never had. They claim to have written to me but iv received nothing. They said they r starting court proceedings against me but will not produce any evidence that I was

1. Parked without a permit (which I never have)
2. They issued a ticket
And 3 that they have sent letters regarding all this (btw none of the solicitorsnletters have been sent registered post apparently)

What do I do now???

Thanks

Help please!!

I have received 2 phone calls from a so called solicitor regarding an excel parking ticket I have never had. They claim to have written to me but iv received nothing. They said they r starting court proceedings against me but will not produce any evidence that I was

1. Parked without a permit (which I never have)
2. They issued a ticket
And 3 that they have sent letters regarding all this (btw none of the solicitorsnletters have been sent registered post apparently)

What do I do now???

Thanks

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http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&xhr=t&q=private+parking+companies&cp=20&pf=p&sclient=psy&biw=1280&bih=844&source=hp&aq=0&aqi=&aql=&oq=private+parking+comp&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=48415b2036907b30

Help please!!

I have received 2 phone calls from a so called solicitor regarding an excel parking ticket I have never had. They claim to have written to me but iv received nothing. They said they r starting court proceedings against me but will not produce any evidence that I was

1. Parked without a permit (which I never have)
2. They issued a ticket
And 3 that they have sent letters regarding all this (btw none of the solicitorsnletters have been sent registered post apparently)

What do I do now???

Thanks

if they phone again, get the persons full name, companies name, then inform them that you are now going to report them to the police for harassment and trying to extort monies from you

I have received 2 phone calls from a so called solicitor regarding an excel parking ticket I have never had.

The first question I'd ask is "How the hell did you get my phone number?" :rant:

John X

Help please!!

I have received 2 phone calls from a so called solicitor regarding an excel parking ticket I have never had. They claim to have written to me but iv received nothing. They said they r starting court proceedings against me but will not produce any evidence that I was

1. Parked without a permit (which I never have)
2. They issued a ticket
And 3 that they have sent letters regarding all this (btw none of the solicitorsnletters have been sent registered post apparently)

What do I do now???

Thanks

dont worry there is nothing they can do. i have been through similar and lived to tell the tale. remember one thing, these companies rely on fear and pressure to extort money from you. do not let them get to you, they are liers and will sail very close to what is legal. if they have no proof you parked where you did and no proof you received their invoices, then they can do nothing and their insistence in contacting you is considered harassment in uk law.

It's sort of tempting to organise some civil disobedience and park "illegally" in excel car parks to flood their "legal" department with loads of "work" .......and waste no end of their time......

Received a parking ticket from the Staples/Mothercare car park nr St Marys Bramall Lane.

Long story but I had got back to my car in time be for the ticket expired my son needed a wee which I allowed him to do behind the car, but when he decided he also needed a poo we had to run back into Mothercare.

Needeless to say we were late back and got a ticket. I appealed and got turned down got to pay £60.

A colleague told me that you are not obliged to pay private parking fines like Excel but you do have to pay Sheffield City Council parking ticket?

Is there any truth in it?

Legally, if you ignore the tickets and letters altogether, you almost certainly won't end up having to pay anything.

Morally, since you used their car park, what makes you think you should not have to abide by their terms?

Don't ignore it. It will get worse. My mate mick works for excel and he says PAY..

theres already a massive thread about this subject.... dont pay it.

Morally, since you used their car park, what makes you think you should not have to abide by their terms?God, there's always one.

God, there's always one.

Is there really only one person who thinks that the people who own the land should be allowed to decide who can use it and how?

Don't ignore it. It will get worse. My mate mick works for excel and he says PAY..

if your mate works for them im sure he would say to pay
i recieved a similar ticket and as stated there already is a thread regarding this if you look on there there is info on the legality
i replied pointing out al the details in law and what they were entitled to claim etc
i received a letter back stating they were not pursuing the ticket
IT IS NOT A LEGALLY BINDING TICKET AS SUCH AS IT IS COVERED BY CIVIL LAW

based on what legal terms would I not be obliged to pay? Oops will check out that thread. thanks for advice

based on what legal terms would I not be obliged to pay?

Jesus, just read the existing thread. Did it really need another one?

Is there really only one person who thinks that the people who own the land should be allowed to decide who can use it and how?No, but there's always one self-righteous ass who pops up in threads like this blowing their trumpet and questioning the morals of some terrible person who committed the evil crime of running a few minutes over their paid ticket! :roll: :hihi:

No, but there's always one self-righteous ass who pops up in threads like this blowing their trumpet and questioning the morals of some terrible person who committed the evil crime of running a few minutes over their paid ticket! :roll: :hihi:

I haven't questioned anybody's morals. I'm assuming that the OP is morally upstanding and will do what he should.

based on what legal terms would I not be obliged to pay?

You are obliged to pay, but only under civil law. It would cost the company far more than £60 to drag you through the courts and make you pay £60, so they aren't going to do it.

If it's a council car park or an on-street offence, you are obliged to pay under pain of being arrested. Excel can't arrest you.

I haven't questioned anybody's morals. I'm assuming that the OP is morally upstanding and will do what he should.

Oh you are funny. God bless the WUM! :)

The terms that state "if thy son needs a cack then this will not be taken into consideration if thou happens to run over thy time?"

Offhand, I don't know what the terms are. I'm not really sure why you think it should matter what they are. People who don't agree to them can choose not to park there.

No, but there's always one self-righteous ass who pops up in threads like this blowing their trumpet and questioning the morals of some terrible person who committed the evil crime of running a few minutes over their paid ticket!
Not a crime but a tort (trespass) or breach of contract.

believe who you like with regard to advice, martin lewis/anne robinson/a solicitor (genuine one!) and a local judge.
or a couple of random people from the sheffield forum who get upset by people not paying invoices to companies they have no connection with ?

links to genuine advice

Mansfield court case- charges ruled illegal by judge
http://www.chad.co.uk/news/local/jud...legal_1_701811


Watchdog- Ann Robinson and a solicitor advising people the charges are unenforceable
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbbZtxzrJAI

and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlPjpW_6pGc

Don't ignore it. It will get worse. My mate mick works for excel and he says PAY..

Utter rubbish and you know it.Is Mick the dyke that hands out the tickets.

Utter rubbish and you know it.Is Mick the dyke that hands out the tickets.

you bit, just what he likes. read his previous posts.:D

Don't ignore it. It will get worse. My mate mick works for excel and he says PAY..

That is funny! :hihi:

John X

Don't ignore it. It will get worse. My mate mick works for excel and he says PAY..

Is that "big Mick". ?
If so i wouldn't mess with him, he's big, mick is. :hihi:

I appealed and got turned down got to pay £60.

That was your mistake.

By appealing the ticket, a court can deem that you have accepted that Excel have a contract with you.

It can't be said enough times....

DON'T PAY THE INVOICE

DON'T ENTER INTO ANY CORRESPONDENCE WITH THE PARKING COMPANY.

John X

Thank you for your advice. Yep, think it was the said 'Mick'

Don't ignore it. It will get worse. My mate mick works for excel and he says PAY..

In what way will it get worse? Will they send out more begging letters? Stop spouting your tiresom twaddle.

Don't ignore it. It will get worse. My mate mick works for excel and he says PAY..

Tell your mate to get <removed> I got plenty of these tickets and didn't pay Ans carried on parking in the same place so after about 10 or so tickets they decided to clamp my car and I decided to chop that clamp up with a stilt saw after which I never got a ticket....

Don't ignore it. It will get worse. My mate mick works for excel and he says PAY..

No it wont , its a civil matter ,and not enforcable in law just as tickets issued by the council arnt worth the paper their written on . The only enforcable parking tickets are those issued by the police ,as they will just arrest you for non payment if you dont pay them.

just bin any tickets that ARE NOT issued by the police.

I bet no-one has ever had a bill from Excel revoked. I do know someone who used to work for them, he quit because they have no conscience. Don't bother corresponding with them, just ignore them. They are a scummy company preying on the public.

It's their land that you park your car on.

I bet no-one has ever had a bill from Excel revoked. I do know someone who used to work for them, he quit because they have no conscience.


Why should they?

John X

Jesus, just read the existing thread. Did it really need another one?

erm yes!! such an insensitive reply!! prop a builder or someone special,

personally i would not pay, but you decide, can you afford it and if you paid it , would it take a huge weight off your mind. go for it.

if, out of principle, or law you decide not to pay, you will prob get a few nasty letters, i doubt it would go much futher.

the person i quoted above is either so cock sure off himself, or so filthy rich he dont care if he gets a ticket, but you decide yourself.

It's their land that you park your car on.

no it aint

Just lob it in the bin, i get these at every Blades home match as i like the convenient parking they provide. :love:

erm yes!! such an insensitive reply!! prop a builder or someone special,

personally i would not pay, but you decide, can you afford it and if you paid it , would it take a huge weight off your mind. go for it.

if, out of principle, or law you decide not to pay, you will prob get a few nasty letters, i doubt it would go much futher.

the person i quoted above is either so cock sure off himself, or so filthy rich he dont care if he gets a ticket, but you decide yourself.

don't get me wrong, I don't agree with these "invoices", just struggling to see why he started a new thread when all the answers are in the big existing thread that is years old.

It's their land that you park your car on.

Its not the parking companies land is it so why pay them an extortionate amount of money?

If the company who owned the land had their own parking payment system in place charging relevant/fair fees people would be a bit more understanding and it would work :)

Received a parking ticket from the Staples/Mothercare car park nr St Marys Bramall Lane.

Long story but I had got back to my car in time be for the ticket expired my son needed a wee which I allowed him to do behind the car, but when he decided he also needed a poo we had to run back into Mothercare.

Needeless to say we were late back and got a ticket. I appealed and got turned down got to pay £60.

A colleague told me that you are not obliged to pay private parking fines like Excel but you do have to pay Sheffield City Council parking ticket?

Is there any truth in it?

Depends if you want the threat of being taken to court??

The following person was being taken to court by Excel but decided to settle out of court as they didn't have much of a chance.....

http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/action-desk/excel_parking_claims_legal_win_1_3266706

Just as another voice, my family has had two exel tickets, one in a service station (after my OH obeyed the mototrway signs to 'take a break- dont drive tired' and pulled in for a sleep) and one at the open air car park behind waitrose petrol station on london road.
Both times we have been plagued with nasty letters, we have ignored and nothing has come of it.

I have written to David Blunkett about this practice because i think these companies have calculated that they can get more cash from 30% of people paying £60 fines than they could get if they instead installed ticket barriers and got 100% of people to pay £4! In the London road one, we were gone for less than 5 minutes- we walked towards the west indian takeaway, realised wallet was left in car, doubled back by that time there was a ticket in place. Other people have said the same, we conclude there is someone paid to hover out of sight and ambush vehicles. If they are happy to pay someone to be on site, why not pay them to man a ticket barrier! Naughty.

So basically, dont pay, they are scumbags, and no-one in the country has ever been sued/ prosecuted by these firms as they are totally illegitimate.

C
xx

Just as another voice, my family has had two exel tickets, one in a service station (after my OH obeyed the mototrway signs to 'take a break- dont drive tired' and pulled in for a sleep) and one at the open air car park behind waitrose petrol station on london road.
Both times we have been plagued with nasty letters, we have ignored and nothing has come of it.

I have written to David Blunkett about this practice because i think these companies have calculated that they can get more cash from 30% of people paying £60 fines than they could get if they instead installed ticket barriers and got 100% of people to pay £4! In the London road one, we were gone for less than 5 minutes- we walked towards the west indian takeaway, realised wallet was left in car, doubled back by that time there was a ticket in place. Other people have said the same, we conclude there is someone paid to hover out of sight and ambush vehicles. If they are happy to pay someone to be on site, why not pay them to man a ticket barrier! Naughty.

So basically, dont pay, they are scumbags, and no-one in the country has ever been sued/ prosecuted by these firms as they are totally illegitimate.

C
xx

Or you could park where you were allowed and you wouldn't have these issues :loopy:

Totally right Craig. Tickets issued by private parking firms are nothing more than thinly disguised begging letters ,and arnt worth the paper they are printed on .

Ive had loads over the last 10 years ,and ive never paid any of them . On two occasions ive had a threatening letter from the company saying if i didnt pay they would haul me in front of a court ( which i just laughed at them before i binned them ) ,and the others ive never heard anything from the companies who issued them.

As many have said , DO NOT pay them .

Or you could park where you were allowed and you wouldn't have these issues :loopy:

The issue here isnt so much about parking ,its about cowboys being allowed to demand money with menaces from motorists . Some people may be frightened into paying these tickets ,and thats what these companies relying on , but they are civil matters ,and NO ONE has to pay these legalised thieves a penny , and i include the council in this as well.

A friend of mine was even clamped by one of these scumbags ,and he got someone to come out to him with a sthil saw and chop the clamp off. He recieved a letter from the parking company a couple of weeks later onforming him they intended taking him to court for damaging their clamp and the ticket, to which he told them to sod off , and he never heard from them again.

The issue here isnt so much about parking ,its about cowboys being allowed to demand money with menaces from motorists . Some people may be frightened into paying these tickets ,and thats what these companies relying on , but they are civil matters ,and NO ONE has to pay these legalised thieves a penny , and i include the council in this as well.

A friend of mine was even clamped by one of these scumbags ,and he got someone to come out to him with a sthil saw and chop the clamp off. He recieved a letter from the parking company a couple of weeks later onforming him they intended taking him to court for damaging their clamp and the ticket, to which he told them to sod off , and he never heard from them again.

If you have recieved many over the years, either you ignore the rules on other peoples private land, or just cant park your vehicle correctly. Charges aside if people followed other peoples rules on their land there would be no need for threads like this. Unfortunaly people dont give a ****, park where they like then start so many threads whining about it.

Would you be ok if I parked on your drive while you were out, stopping you using the space?

to the OP .... i Foolishly paid the first ticket I recieved 18 months ago in Staples car park from Mick the lezza ( alias Aliens on here ), that was before I knew it wasnt worth the paper it was written on.

Since then I use Staples when ever I neeed to , I've had 3 tickets since then and just thrown away , I've heard absolutely nothing.

Just ignore them .

There's also Simon (alias Bonjon) who owns Excel , he's spouts allsorts of rubbish , just ignore anything he posts , there is no truth whatsoever in anything he says.

There's also Simon (alias Bonjon) who owns Excel , he's spouts allsorts of rubbish , just ignore anything he posts , there is no truth whatsoever in anything he says.

I wish I owned a company that payed the MD 450K a year.

If you have recieved many over the years, either you ignore the rules on other peoples private land, or just cant park your vehicle correctly. Charges aside if people followed other peoples rules on their land there would be no need for threads like this. Unfortunaly people dont give a ****, park where they like then start so many threads whining about it.

Would you be ok if I parked on your drive while you were out, stopping you using the space?


Its not a real business though is it ? Its a bunch of opportunists exploiting loopholes in the law.

Would you be ok if I parked on your drive while you were out, stopping you using the space?

Probably not, but what he wouldn't do is say that by parking on his drive you are entering into a contract with him to pay £60 if you stay there. If he did, you would laugh at him and say that you have not entered into any contract.

That is all that folk are doing when they bin your 'invoices'.

John X

I foolishly worked in the ticket office a few years back but quit thank god!

The amount of people crying down the phone, the eldery being scared into paying, the disabled being treated like trash and one time, a young woman died of cancer who got a ticket and she got hounded for her last 4 months to pay, and they then tried to get the cash of her parents!!!

I have had 4 tickets from them since leaving and I have never got a letter from them saying to pay or the fine is increased ect ect, now maybe thats because they are still very disorganised, or they know that trying to chase me will be more hassle for them than it's worth, with what I know about the company. Either way, my advise is also, DONT PAY and DONT have any contact with them at all under any circumstances.

I wish I owned a company that payed the MD 450K a year.



money that has been conned , bullied or extorted out of innocent motorists .

money that has been conned , bullied or extorted out of innocent motorists .

Quite often , these will be elderly motorists who feel intimidated by the threatening letters these cowboys send out in the hope of scaring people into paying.

I wish I owned a company that payed the MD 450K a year.

money that has been conned , bullied or extorted out of innocent motorists .


There you go ,

you'd be able to sleep at night would you


I foolishly worked in the ticket office a few years back but quit thank god!

The amount of people crying down the phone, the eldery being scared into paying, the disabled being treated like trash and one time, a young woman died of cancer who got a ticket and she got hounded for her last 4 months to pay, and they then tried to get the cash of her parents!!!



Praying on people like that , I know you think it's a joke Bonjon .....

but All fun and banter asside

It's not right , is it ?

Depends if you want the threat of being taken to court??

The following person was being taken to court by Excel but decided to settle out of court as they didn't have much of a chance.....

http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/action-desk/excel_parking_claims_legal_win_1_3266706

you did actually make up that bit bonjon, about not having much of a chance. unless you are legally qualified then you should not make statements like that, as its just supposition. the person probably just got scared with the bully boy tactics. someone with more nouse would let it go to court, and then let a sheffield judge make the decision as opposed to a forum scare monger.
ie just like the judge in mansfield who ruled they are unenfoirceable and allowed the local MP to state that Excel are a rogue company.

you did actually make up that bit bonjon, about not having much of a chance. unless you are legally qualified then you should not make statements like that, as its just supposition. the person probably just got scared with the bully boy tactics. someone with more nouse would let it go to court, and then let a sheffield judge make the decision as opposed to a forum scare monger.
ie just like the judge in mansfield who ruled they are unenfoirceable and allowed the local MP to state that Excel are a rogue company.

We are on a public forum and not in court I can express my opinions, some people share these like Judge Harrison from Chester, who ruled in favour of CPS against a fully defended case scripted by 'armchair lawyers' on various forums (namley pepioo, MSE and CAG).

We are on a public forum and not in court I can express my opinions, some people share these like Judge Harrison from Chester, who ruled in favour of CPS against a fully defended case scripted by 'armchair lawyers' on various forums (namley pepioo, MSE and CAG).

yes but you are trying to give the impression that its a foregone conclusion now in sheffield, because someone didnt contest their particular case, and that people have already "given up", without knowing any of the facts of the case. thats just ill informed, misleading and potentially could be seen as having ulterior motives.
the mansfield case is local enough to count, was contested, was thrown out, and the company were branded rogues, with unenforceable invoices, by someone with legal qualifications. :)

We are on a public forum and not in court I can express my opinions, some people share these like Judge Harrison from Chester, who ruled in favour of CPS against a fully defended case scripted by 'armchair lawyers' on various forums (namley pepioo, MSE and CAG).

So can you explain why , if these parking tickets ARE enforcable , many, many people who dont pay them never hear anything from the company , or at most recieve a threatening letter to try and force them to pay , but if ignored never hear owt again .?

Could this be because the parking companies know full well that these tickets arnt worth the paper they are written on ,and can only rely on people being scared and intimidated enough to pay up . ?

So can you explain why , if these parking tickets ARE enforcable , many, many people who dont pay them never hear anything from the company , or at most recieve a threatening letter to try and force them to pay , but if ignored never hear owt again .?

Could this be because the parking companies know full well that these tickets arnt worth the paper they are written on ,and can only rely on people being scared and intimidated enough to pay up . ?

I imiagine its because enough people pay the charges to fulfil there revuene stream, the few court cases here and there are probably to make examples.

If the revenue stream did dry up they have followed correct procedure in notifying people and could start court proceeding on old tickets (upto a certain date).

We are on a public forum and not in court I can express my opinions, some people share these like Judge Harrison from Chester, who ruled in favour of CPS against a fully defended case scripted by 'armchair lawyers' on various forums (namley pepioo, MSE and CAG).

You can also be sued for "expressing your opinions" on an open forum (ask the 30 or so Wednesday supporters that Dave Allen and the then directors of SWFC tried to sue).

You forgot to mention that the case you refer to was quashed on appeal (perhaps it slipped your memory :hihi:)

and could start court proceeding on old tickets (upto a certain date).

Only on old tickets where there has been correspondence with Excel.

They won't take anyone to court who has completely ignored the parking invoice as they know well that it will cost them money and they will get nothing out of it.

They are in business to make money, not to lose it!

John X

You can also be sued for "expressing your opinions" on an open forum (ask the 30 or so Wednesday supporters that Dave Allen and the then directors of SWFC tried to sue).

You forgot to mention that the case you refer to was quashed on appeal (perhaps it slipped your memory :hihi:)

I didnt know, do you have a link to the appeal transcripts?

We are on a public forum and not in court I can express my opinions, some people share these like Judge Harrison from Chester, who ruled in favour of CPS against a fully defended case scripted by 'armchair lawyers' on various forums (namley pepioo, MSE and CAG).

I didnt know, do you have a link to the appeal transcripts?

Google is your friend.........also read owlstalk, it's all there!

Google is your friend.........also read owlstalk, it's all there!

Thats a no then :rolleyes:

Thats a no then :rolleyes:

Blimey, Bonjon moaning that somebody else doesnt link directly to evidence!

Strikes me as a bit... http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/6509/potkettleblack.jpg

Blimey, Bonjon moaning that somebody else doesnt link directly to evidence!

Strikes me as a bit... http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/6509/potkettleblack.jpg

I'm pretty sure in the old Excel thread I stated that cases had been won, you asked me to prove, I told you to go goole and your response was "thats a no then"

Ignore this lot and listen to Mick. He's an excel veteran and knows how the law works. Payment will only treble unless you act now. Free the stress and deliver the goods

If this chap settling out of court was genuine, why haven't they provided more details yet? It would be intersting to find Mr Gould and interview him for the press.

He'll be an employee of Excel most likely.

Payment will only treble unless you act now. Free the stress and deliver the goods

Don't you mean the 'invoice' will treble?

Payment can only treble if people pay which it seems they are less and less willing to do.

Maybe someone should 'free the stress' and knock up a brief leaflet pointing out that payment of these parking invoices is purely voluntary and go round all the Excel sites putting them under the wipers of cars you have 'ticketed'.

Call it a public service! ;)

John X

Ignore this lot and listen to Mick. He's an excel veteran and knows how the law works. Payment will only treble unless you act now. Free the stress and deliver the goods

Funny , of the 3 tickets ive had from theExcel cowboys in the past year , ive paid NONE , had one threatening letter , which really scared me :loopy::loopy: NOT , and ive heard nowt since. surprise ,surprise.

Maybe someone should 'free the stress' and knock up a brief leaflet pointing out that payment of these parking invoices is purely voluntary and go round all the Excel sites putting them under the wipers of cars you have 'ticketed'.

That's not a bad idea, actually;).

Is there really only one person who thinks that the people who own the land should be allowed to decide who can use it and how?

When it's a shop, that is open to all, and the land is designated as a (free - whether limited or not) car park, land that has to be accessible to the public (DDA), then probably.

Not a crime but a tort (trespass) or breach of contract.

But the contract is between the driver and the land owner, not a secondary party. You have no contract with Excel, until you reply to their invoices.

Stop spouting your tiresom twaddle.

It's part of his therapy;).

Or you could park where you were allowed

Parking is allowed in both places specified. Do try and understand the meaning of the simple sequences of grouped letters that you see before you.

Please pack in the personal stuff, either discuss the issue or not. Some posts have already been removed, and others may go the same way, the thread will be closed, and bans may also be handed out.

Thanks.

Please pack in the personal stuff, either discuss the issue or not. Some posts have already been removed, and others may go the same way, the thread will be closed, and bans may also be handed out.

Well said. You've lost the argument when you start throwing insults. The mentality of posters on here simply astounds me. :huh:

Well said. You've lost the argument when you start throwing insults. The mentality of posters on here simply astounds me. :huh:

you actually generate more crap threads than anyone when you come on these spoiling it with your relentless idiotic posts about your brother in law or mate. grow up. :D

you actually generate more crap threads than anyone when you come on these spoiling it with your relentless idiotic posts about your brother in law or mate. grow up.

This is what i am talking about. You simply can't stop with the relentless insults can you.

A word from my wise Uncle- he who laughs last laughs longest. Let that be your lesson young heathen.

A word from my wise Uncle- he who laughs last laughs longest.

Which is another falsehood.

He who laughs last, didn't get the joke.

This is what i am talking about. You simply can't stop with the relentless insults can you.

A word from my wise Uncle- he who laughs last laughs longest. Let that be your lesson young heathen.

zzzzz

i've not insulted you, i have however commented on you constantly posting the same daft "my brother in law says pay" or "my uncle says this". dont you get tired of it? we get tired of reading them, its not even like you gain owt from it, yes you wind people up but they all end up calling you names and insulting you. for what end?

Please pack in the personal stuff, either discuss the issue or not. Some posts have already been removed, and others may go the same way, the thread will be closed, and bans may also be handed out.

Thanks.
Ms Macbeth,people are bound to bite with the purile tosh, a couple of users post.
all people who come on here and ask questions about parking fines etc,just simply want the truth,thats all.

you actually generate more crap threads than anyone when you come on these spoiling it with your relentless idiotic posts about your brother in law or mate. grow up. :D
I Concur!

Which is another falsehood.

He who laughs last, didn't get the joke.
I Concur!

zzzzz

i've not insulted you, i have however commented on you constantly posting the same daft "my brother in law says pay" or "my uncle says this". dont you get tired of it? we get tired of reading them, its not even like you gain owt from it, yes you wind people up but they all end up calling you names and insulting you. for what end?
I BLOODY DEFINATELY CONCUR!!!

Read a decent newspaper and I CONCUR.

all people who come on here and ask questions about parking fines etc,just simply want the truth,thats all.


Yep, the truth is pay up or face court action.






And read a different paper.

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