What the hell is wrong with them?

Hanging around shops at night, shouting abuse, frightening old people, making trouble everywhere, nicking cars etc. etc.

Jees, what is it coming to? The worst areas that I know of are S5 (Shiregreen) and S9 (Wincobank) and most come from Hinde House School!

Have you seen the mindless idiots that place is creating? They look like they haven't got 2 brain cells to rub together - any of them!
The vacant look on their faces is terrible - to think thats the future of Sheffield and the UK? Goooood help us!

Trouble is now, they realise they can do whatever they want and the police can't touch them ... Not good!

They should send them away to a 'Lads Army' type camp to sort the sods out! A few months in there would crap them up.

sterotypes are bad m'kay

they arent all that bad you know, its just the few idiots who spoil it for all the rest

Originally posted by "RPG"

sterotypes are bad m'kay

they arent all that bad you know, its just the few idiots who spoil it for all the rest

Its not just a few though is it m8? Its everywhere you look!

You can't even leave anything on show in your bloody car these days. Don't get me wrong, its not only Sheffield... Its society all over! Parents don't seem to care or can't do anything about the kids behaviour because of stupid bloody EU rules on punishment.

Im not old myself m8, im 24!

btw. I got xbx, ps2 n gc! u gettin zelda nxt wk?

9 year olds??? Is that that right? Shouldn't these parents be fined or something or have the kids moved to a place where they can have rules and boundaries put in place and guardians who give a rats ass about safety??

The mind boggles!!

Moon Maiden

Very good point Space.
Your quite right that if this country relys on these for the future then we are in big trouble.
Not all are like that of course but a hell of a lot are.
You sound level headed yourself and i would be interested in a private email from you on your views on decipline bringing up Children.
I was brought up strict and that has done me no harm and i also bring up my 5 Children strict and push two fingers up to the do gooders who say you must not smack your kids or you will be prossecuted.
These moorons have no idea how to bring kids up as most of them have none and have no idea on the real world of today.
A clip round the ear hole did me no harm when i strayed out of place and a tap round the backside works as well as long as you don,t go to far.
When i say a tap i mean it but followed by a stern tone of voice.
School has the same problems and i also went to Hinde House 1970 - 1975 and then it was under the strict regime of Edwards and nobody stepped out of line when he was around and you could hear a pin drop.
That sort of fear Edwards put forward worked and although i know the present Head of Hinde House is a nice Woman, she or any future head will never have the same clout as the old authourtarian Edwards had.
If you visit www.friendsreunited.co.uk and look at the history on that school you will see the stories writen about him by pupils who were under him at that time.
Finally Moonmaiden said fine the parents, no offence mate your entitled to your opinion but that is a scape goat for the real problem.
You will find that it don,t matter how hard and right you bring up your kids that if they choose to go down the criminal path influenced by there mates then they will and i know of decent parrents who are pulling there hair out about there off spring getting involved with crime having been brought up the best way they could.
Children do not listen to there parents and as a parent of 5 Children we are usually the last they will confide in.

Finally Moonmaiden said fine the parents, no offence mate your entitled to your opinion but that is a scape goat for the real problem.
You will find that it don,t matter how hard and right you bring up your kids that if they choose to go down the criminal path influenced by there mates then they will and i know of decent parrents who are pulling there hair out about there off spring getting involved with crime having been brought up the best way they could.
Children do not listen to there parents and as a parent of 5 Children we are usually the last they will confide in.

I was actually referring to letting children out of site at the age of 9 years old. I am fully aware of just how devious and unlistening children can be..I am working on your score as a mother to 4. I have a 14 year old at the moment who is a law unto herself and no amount of necsities, bribery or firm fistedness does any good whatsoever.

But can you honestly say that the parents of a 9 year old child are doing their best when that child is roaming the streets unatteneded by a responsible adult??

9 years old??? perhaps it is where I was brought up but 9 years old.??? That is pathetic and the parents of those children should most definately be fined.

Moon Maiden

:!: :shock: ehem MAYBE they don't, maybe ure just there when they are doin that type of stuff cos ive NEVA EVA seen it happen!! Most of them are tryin 2 get in2 clubs and are gettin turned away!! HAHAHA

I was actually referring to letting children out of site at the age of 9 years old. I am fully aware of just how devious and unlistening children can be..I am working on your score as a mother to 4. I have a 14 year old at the moment who is a law unto herself and no amount of necsities, bribery or firm fistedness does any good whatsoever.

But can you honestly say that the parents of a 9 year old child are doing their best when that child is roaming the streets unatteneded by a responsible adult??

9 years old??? perhaps it is where I was brought up but 9 years old.??? That is pathetic and the parents of those children should most definately be fined.

Moon Maiden[/quote]Of course not 9 year olds i was refering to the teenage sector.

i still think that u can't judge them all on one. It all depends on what there friends are doing and u can't just blame it onthe parents because, lets face it, who listens to their parents at 9/10/11/12/13... years old when your friends are all out bieng rebels!!?? :? :!:

You have hit the nail on the head there.
That is exactly what i was saying that they won,t talk to there parents.
They forget we know the ropes of life and they join there mates causing havoc thinking they know it all.
A bootcamp American style is needed here that will sort the lot out.
Our system is to soft on them and they know it.

:) good well im only 16 myself and it still really annoys me how they all walk around like theyre 30odd hard doods!! i think ure right, they need 2 be taught wots wot!! :!:

My mate is doing a PGCE at a school in Sheffield, I forget which one but it's Hillsborough way for 11-16s. I really don't envy him, hearing about some of the stuff he has to put up with. Kids threatening each other with knives and swearing at the teachers and threats of violence. It was never like that when I went to school and I'm only 21.

:shock: WHAT yeah ok i admit i have seen the odd argument occur, but never anything as serious as that!! And still it was like two years ago that i have seen knives involved! :!: now thats bad!

It's not about just chastising your children when they are bad in my opinion. Bringing up a child is much more than that, you have to instil good values in the child, not just beat it when it does wrong. I saddens me when people bring this issue down to just how you tell you child when he has done wrong. Kids will rebel and will be bad from time to time, but parents and teachers asserting their authority is a very limited part of the bigger picture IMHO. Hitting or shouting a child has little or no effect, it can have the opposite effect depending on the personality of the child.

I believe as a parent you have a responsibility to equip your children for life. What would you do if you found you child was taking drugs? Just shout at him or her? No, you have to explain and educate the kid to the dangers.

We have to start by educating adults. Of course the parents of these children have no intention in thinking about how to bring up a kid or seeking help.

Originally posted by "gogojojo123"

:shock: WHAT yeah ok i admit i have seen the odd argument occur, but never anything as serious as that!! And still it was like two years ago that i have seen knives involved! :!: now thats bad!
Admittedly it is quite a bad example as schools go. He previously worked at a different school which was an all boys school where they were all really polite and they had to say prayers in assembly each day!

I'm right there with the lack of respect etc, and if I hear one more yp whine that they get in trouble 'cos there's nothing to do' I'm going to scream.
However:
It's always worth remembering that a very famous ancient philosopher (please don't hassle me for not remembering which, but I have seen the actual translated quote) bemoaned the fact :!: many hundreds of years ago :!: that children were getting outrageously out of hand, it had never been like that when he was a kid, and their behaviour was quite likely to cause/herald the end of the world.
He complained about discipline, lack of respect for elders, vandalism...
Sound familiar? :wink:

Laura
No kids, but I work with 'em, all ages, and on a personal level I've met very few I didn't end up liking, even in 'bad' estates. As gangs, though, it can be a very different story...

The Shiregreen area was always going to suffer. I've been told that's where Sheffield City Council moved all the gypsies when they redeveloped the Don Valley area over a decade ago...

I've been watching the forum for a while now, and being a Firth Park resident, it is interesting to note this is one of the few topics where the Asians / immigrants / asylum seekers have not yet been blamed for whatever ills befall the North East of sheffield...

Originally posted by "Sidla"

:shock: WHAT yeah ok i admit i have seen the odd argument occur, but never anything as serious as that!! And still it was like two years ago that i have seen knives involved! :!: now thats bad!
Admittedly it is quite a bad example as schools go. He previously worked at a different school which was an all boys school where they were all really polite and they had to say prayers in assembly each day!
yeah ok i havnt seen anything recent its just it still happened and the worst thibg was it was only for a few pence, literally! :? :!:

a, The parents are to blame.
b, The do-gooders are to blame
c, The EU is to blame,
In that order.
The schools are definitely NOT to blame. How can schools who only have control over these little sods for 6 hours a day, 5 days a week, 39 weeks a year be expected to impress on them that their (the school's) way is the correct way and their irresponsible parents are wrong.
I have 3 kids (boys) aged 11, 14, 15 and none of them have ever been in trouble. All are doing well at school. Where are they now? All 3 are in the house either reading, doing homework or watching Casualty with mum.
Why? Because they were clipped when younger, have been treat with respect, get rewards for doing well but punished (loss of privileges) for doing bad, are given responsibility when needed.
It cost the wife and I nothing. And if anyone out there thinks that deprevation causes yobbish kids, forget it. I was unemployed for 7 years and couldn't blame the system.
Maybe its genetic. In which case sterilisation should be in order.

8) Nah Den Ace........

Originally posted by Space
Its not just a few though is it m8? Its everywhere you look!

You can't even leave anything on show in your bloody car these days. Don't get me wrong, its not only Sheffield... Its society all over! Parents don't seem to care or can't do anything about the kids behaviour because of stupid bloody EU rules on punishment.

Im not old myself m8, im 24!

Has it not always been this way..........

Does not every generation bemoan, "Kids of today :mad:/ It wasn't like this in my day/lack of discipline/etc"; along with complaining about the music they listen to/the volume they listen to it/the fashions they wear/etc.

Kids have got up to mischieve since the year dot! I did and I dare say the majority of people on this forum did too. The only difference between us and the kids of today is that we have grown up! We are now like our parents were when we were kids........OLD!!!!!

To further illustrate my point, check this out (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=659) ........Let's not all get romantic about it. There were vicious gangs feuding over territory over 80 years ago.

Regards,

Spacehopper.

Originally posted by Space
What the hell is wrong with them?

Hanging around shops at night, shouting abuse, frightening old people, making trouble everywhere, nicking cars etc. etc.

Jees, what is it coming to? The worst areas that I know of are S5 (Shiregreen) and S9 (Wincobank) and most come from Hinde House School!

Have you seen the mindless idiots that place is creating? They look like they haven't got 2 brain cells to rub together - any of them!
The vacant look on their faces is terrible - to think thats the future of Sheffield and the UK? Goooood help us!

Trouble is now, they realise they can do whatever they want and the police can't touch them ... Not good!

They should send them away to a 'Lads Army' type camp to sort the sods out! A few months in there would crap them up.

Bad upbringings as a result of wishy washy, liberal parents and teachers. The PC brigade have made sure that youngsters can have virtually no discipline enforced upon them and as a result, many grow into young thugs and can't be touched by the law or anyone. Thank the bleeding heart liberal brigade for this.

So we should hit kids?

Is that to tell them that hitting other kids is wrong?

Anyone see the flaw in logic here?

Ok I agree some gangs of kids are running wild. But what do they want? Has anyone asked them why they're doing it? Or what would stop them doing it?

It seems that rather than imposing *our* ideas of how to sort them out on them, why not actually ask them?

Originally posted by purplepippa
So we should hit kids?

Is that to tell them that hitting other kids is wrong?

Anyone see the flaw in logic here?

Ok I agree some gangs of kids are running wild. But what do they want? Has anyone asked them why they're doing it? Or what would stop them doing it?

It seems that rather than imposing *our* ideas of how to sort them out on them, why not actually ask them?

Why not let parents bring up their kids the way they see is best? I think smacking younger children in certain circumstances teaches good discipline.

1. England is a Narcissistic Culture (http://www.mentalhealth.com/dis1/p21-pe07.html) i.e there is not much love going around, why be surprised when kids start playing up, the parents are worse, even those who think they are good parents.

2. This is a country full of chemically dependent people i.e alcohol, caffeine, cannabis, and who knows what people get from the doctors. When the parents are drugged up to hell no wonder the kids play up.

3. There is no such thing as good parents in England, one only as to go to the Oriental countries to see how proper parenting is done.

4. 99% of marriages in this country are scam marriages, they are based on what the other has in terms of material assets, this is Inanimate love this as nothing to do with true love and is known as Co-Dependency.
Co-Dependency never works the best you can expect from co-dependency is a lifetime companionship, usually it means lifetime of arguing or divorce.

No wonder the kids play up, the best this country can do is to let the oriental countries adopt them and show them what true love is.

Originally posted by t020
Why not let parents bring up their kids the way they see is best?

Because some parents think it's best to beat, abuse, neglect, rape and hurt their kids.

I think smacking younger children in certain circumstances teaches good discipline.

Hitting children teaches them that violence is the answer. It teaches them that it's ok to hurt people. Violence breeds violence.

Originally posted by purplepippa
Because some parents think it's best to beat, abuse, neglect, rape and hurt their kids.

These people aren't in the same league as those who give the odd smack on the bottom to teach the difference between right and wrong. We're a much more violent society now (increases year on year in the cases of violent crime) and this has started happening since the PC brigade has started undermining parents and telling them what to do and what not to do. As a result they are made to feel like child abusers for inflicting a small amount of discipline, so now a lot less parents do it. We're beginning to see the fruits of your ideals, pippa, with a more violent society today than ever before. Ever thought that your violence breeds violence theory could be, heaven forbid, WRONG?

Someone mentioned Firth Park....that place is just as bad as Shiregreen / Wincobank area. Just take a drive around the Oval in theevening and you will see exactly what is going on...

Drugs, violence, theft and illegal sales of anything you can imagine. Its not just the locals too, a lot of the traders are from out of the area.

Police do squatt all....

I very rarely got a crack when I misbehaved. I don't think that it did me any harm. I didn't grow up think that violence was the answer either.
I have to admit that alot of kids are too pushy and are mouthy. I've been walking around town and have been picked on by kids numerous times. These kids looked about thirteen though. I've only really lost my temper with them once ( I punched a lad on the bus a few years back ) . Maybe the best way is just to ignore them.

I still think that if my kids misbehave and do something really bad they'd get a whack. Not a very hard one, just to let them know they've upset you.

Maybe we should build a Berlin Wall around Shiregreen? Or maybe lock the doors to Berlins Bar (aka Purple) and torch the place. That might reduce the crime rate in one fell swoop.

Allegedly.

(p.s. before any outraged postings are made I am not serious)

Talking of education, it's a pity those clips round the ear didn't encourage better literacy in some of you lot.

Originally posted by t020
Bad upbringings as a result of wishy washy, liberal parents and teachers. The PC brigade have made sure that youngsters can have virtually no discipline enforced upon them and as a result, many grow into young thugs and can't be touched by the law or anyone. Thank the bleeding heart liberal brigade for this.

Somebody nudge the stylus again.

Talking of education, it's a pity those clips round the ear didn't encourage better literacy in some of you lot.

Gee I don't think that was called for luv.

Its time to clamp down on yobs and the loutish behaviour of many youths today. I'm a young person myself, and I'm sick of them. They're a disgrace.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Spacehopper
[B]8) Nah Den Ace........



Has it not always been this way..........

Does not every generation bemoan, "Kids of today :mad:/ It wasn't like this in my day/lack of discipline/etc"; along with complaining about the music they listen to/the volume they listen to it/the fashions they wear/etc.

Kids have got up to mischieve since the year dot! I did and I dare say the majority of people on this forum did too. The only difference between us and the kids of today is that we have grown up! We are now like our parents were when we were kids........OLD!!!!!

Yes, kids have always been 'mischievous', but this ain't mischief we're discussing here.
There used to be a limit to what a kid could get away with, and anything over that limit was rewarded with a clip from whichever adult was closest. The bus conductor on whose bus they swore, the shopkeeper from whose shop they stole, the owner of the garden they trashed and even the local bobby. All this with the full backing of the parent in most cases. Even teachers were encouraged to administer a painful reminder.
Now? If a teacher so much as uses the wrong words against a kid with 'behavioural dificulties' the doting parents threaten the teacher. Has everyone who was caned at school turned into a raving psycho? I think not.
And no, administering a good clip round the ear doesn't result in a violent society. If it did then just about every adult over a certain age would be doing time now for habitual GBH !!
Try doing a survey to see how many of those pensioners collecting their few quid from the post office have convictions for mugging, joyriding, burglary etc. and then ask them whether they got smacked as a kid.
By the way, I am dead against child abuse and I consider not bringing a child up properly and protecting it from the influence of crime as a form of abuse at worst, neglect at best. Only when a parent has tried every course are they free of responsibility for that child's actions.

What I dont understand is the appeal of the steps to the city hall. Go down there on any Saturday afternoon and you will find a huge mass of depressed-for-no-reason teenagers just hanging around that area.

Originally posted by t020
Its time to clamp down on yobs and the loutish behaviour of many youths today. I'm a young person myself, and I'm sick of them. They're a disgrace.
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No one seems to have looked at the same problem in other countries.In countries where there is a firm religion established, the parents still can control their children.Perhaps exposure to too much American "culture" may be party responsible for our failure to control our teenagers. Jewish families very rarely have problems with their children, indeed it is remarkable how few Jewish children are locked up in prisons or reform schools.Their circle of friends and acquaintances keep pressure on them to conform to the long held beliefs of their peoples.
Totalitarian regimes have also had teenage problems... those behind the iron curtain were equally rebellious; however China keeps its teenagers under control I think

Kids have and always will steal cars, the same with stealing from shops. Stop pretending it's a new problem, it's far from it...

8) Nah Den Ace.........

Originally posted by fnkysknky
Kids have and always will steal cars, the same with stealing from shops. Stop pretending it's a new problem, it's far from it...
Originally posted by the moral majority
"It weren't like it is now, when I were a kid; it were all fields round here; I was caned every day at school and it never did me any harm..........blah blah blah; blah blah blah; zzzzzzzz......."

A case of too many people wearing rose-tinted glasses, me thinks!

Regards,

Spacehopper.

What I dont understand is the appeal of the steps to the city hall. Go down there on any Saturday afternoon and you will find a huge mass of depressed-for-no-reason teenagers just hanging around that area.

Hee hee that sounded funny sorry!! :lol: