Just wonderd what forumers think happens to them when they die? do we go to heaven or maybe hell or is that simply it all over?
Or maybe we come back reincarnated ? its a fascinating subject dont you agree?
Anyway heres a poll to give us a clue what we all think.

I did'nt vote on your poll roy, but I belive there is somthing after allthough I wouldnt say heaven or hell.. Guess I'll have to wait to find out .. if I get there first roy I'll let you know :thumbsup:

I sort of think you may get to come back, not sure if I want to.

I think those we loved are around us in some presence, well i hope they are.

Would be nice to know !!

I'd like to come back.
I doubt heaven will be much to my liking, all the things I'd want to do in the afterlife would probeably get you a one-way ticket to hell.

When you are dead - you are dead. Finito.

There is no heaven and no hell. The lights go out...click

Anyone who thinks differently is living on cloud cuckoo land.

well unless you have insider info on dying and coming back, how do you know !!!

Originally posted by Tiname
well unless you have insider info on dying and coming back, how do you know !!!

It is possible to die and then come back.
Happens all the time in operating theatres, I had to have an emergency op a few years ago and when I woke up they told me that I stopped breathing THREE times, one of these for nearly 2 minutes.

No heavenly gates, no light at the end of a tunnel etc.

To quote an earlier post "the lights went out"

Thank god for that, I could do with the rest :D

I would like to think that there is such a thing as reincarnation, but if so, I must have been a really bad boy last time round :heyhey:

But you have not actually died , you had your heart stop and then you came back.

I think the original question relates to when you die, are disposed of and then do you come back.

I suppose really its what you believe in if you believe in anything.

Originally posted by Tiname
But you have not actually died , you had your heart stop and then you came back.

I think the original question relates to when you die, are disposed of and then do you come back.

Not breathing, no heartbeat = dead.
But, when you finally go and you are buried / cremated or stuffed and mounted, I think that there is nothing - could be wrong though.

Would like to think that this is just a practice run for something better.

You still can die and be pulled back Tiname. Death occurrs when there is no heart, brain or repiratory response or something like that ... and it is possible for all those to resume after a period of inactivity.

But I reckon you come back. I aint getting into this too deeply on the forum but as Roy says - it can be a fascinating topic.

Dragon

I (hope!) there is something after death, as i am petrified of the thought there is nothing after we die, so i keep onto the thought that something happens to us (like being reincarnated)...

Originally posted by royjames
Or maybe we come back reincarnated ? its a fascinating subject dont you agree?

A slightly surreal thought this Roy but......if there is reincarnation there's obviously a fairly obvious chance that you could return as perhaps 'a gentleman of colour'. Similarly, one could come back say as Sheffield's BNP representative for instance.

So conceivably in the future we could have your reincarnated self arguing on Sheffield forum for the merits of immigration against the right wing reincarnated Disco Cat for instance.

Now that is a surreal thought! :hihi: :hihi:

PS Can we have a don't know on the poll please?

In absence of any objecting evidence I would say that we are just 'gone'... we become... non-entities... dust...
It's sad, I know, it would be much more interesting to believe other things happen after life, but how can you believe anything without any evidence? Is just faith enough?...

To many philosophical questions... we can debate for ever about it, but without any evidence the only final conclusion can be... dust... :)

The idea of something after death is just another way for us to deny our insignificance in the "great scheme of things" cos the idea of there actually being no point scares the **** out of us. That said life is an amazing thing and if we just appreciated it for that alone we wouldn't need all these reassurances of religion and eternal life yadda, yadda, yadda!

I`d like to think you`d come back as something else but don`t know what i`d like to be. Wouldn`t like to be an animal but would like to come back as someone with plenty of money.

When we die.. We're taken to an exotic location called the land of XXXX to enjoy our afterlife... Anyone ever read Mort in the Discworld series or played the game Discworld 2 on the PC or PSX?

Originally posted by MeGe
Is just faith enough?[/

Isn't faith just another word for denial? Wanting to believe something because to accept it as true is something you can not cope with?

Originally posted by Rich
Anyone ever read Mort in the Discworld series

And every other Discworld novel that Terry "The Genius" as produced!!

I think when you die thats just it! i think it must be just like when you're asleep, you're unaware of your existence when your asleep.

But, when you finally go and you are buried / cremated or stuffed and mounted, I think that there is nothing - could be wrong though.

I would prefer the last option first

Originally posted by Not_My_Fault
Isn't faith just another word for denial? Wanting to believe something because to accept it as true is something you can not cope with?

very true...

I think heaven was invented to make people feel better about life. It does all seem too nice. Be good and you will live forever in bliss. Strikes me as a bit too good to be true.

Hell on the other hand is a very good means of stopping people killing/raping/stealing etc. Control through fear. The War on Terror is a similar idea (vote for me or you will be bombed by terrorists).

When we die I think we die and then everyone forgets about us. (after a couple of generations maybe)

Originally posted by MissGobby
I (hope!) there is something after death, as i am petrified of the thought there is nothing after we die, so i keep onto the thought that something happens to us (like being reincarnated)...

the basis of most belief in 'life after death'. Fear.

Heaven and hell IMO is were we are now living on earth.
I think when you die that is it,Yes ok people belive ghost ect are arround but i do not belive in them ither.but some people belive we stop hear in spirt.

As for heaven and hell i do not belive in it one bit.No matter if you murder-rape-or any other bad things you do in life they all end up in heaven when they get burried, they all get the blessing to go to "heaven" so that why i do not belive in all this religous stuff about 10 commandments ect to stop you from goin into hell.no mater what you do in life your blessed to go to heaven. So no i do not belive in it.

Tobe fair, no ones ever come back to tell us........hold on there was one.... but i think he was miss quoted

Logically, death = dead, buried gone for good. End of story.

However, until I see proof of this, I remain hopeful of a get out clause. Soul recycling? There's just a 1% chance that I'll come back as someone else.
Maybe cloud cuckooish but I accept the fact that, when we find out for ourselves, we can't tell anyone about it.

Logically, death = dead, buried gone for good. End of story.

However, until I see proof of this, I remain hopeful of a get out clause.

That IS your proof. When a process stops, it stops, it does not continue in some other form. When you turn off the egg beater, the egg stops being beaten. When you turn off the life process, the life stops. Finito. End.

Believing otherwise is a fair indication of clinical insanity.

Believing otherwise is a fair indication of clinical insanity.

Why, exactly?

And you are an authority on the subject?

We simply don't know! But if someone wished to believe there is something else at the end of their time on earth, then that's their business.

I certainly prefer to think there must be something because life is pretty much a rough ride, the good times are merely pauses in one long duration of pain and misery.

Sounds negative, huh? But we live in a vile world with some vile people. We ache, we hurt, we worry. We hate and are selfish. What we love we lose. I 'live' in hope that there is something better than this.

Somewhere where there's no Eastenders has got to be worth believing in.

Death is just like moving to Barnsley.

Not breathing, no heartbeat = dead.
But, when you finally go and you are buried / cremated or stuffed and mounted, I think that there is nothing - could be wrong though.

Would like to think that this is just a practice run for something better.

Shads,
I think you are confusing a resting heart and holding one's breath with brain death. It may be possible in the future to save money and blood transfusions in major operations by putting patients into a slowed down state similar to hibernation. But if the brain is still alive, even if in an inforced coma, the person is still very much alive.

Ousetunes ....i think thats well put.

Death is just like moving to Barnsley.



Aaahhhh....suddenly ime frightened of dying.....it cant be as bad as that .... it cant

If I live 80 years, thats 4,160 Sundays. If i spend 2 hrs in church each Sunday, that's 8,320 hrs or just short of a year, I qualify for heaven if it exists.
Lets say there's 1 chance in a billion.
The cost/benefit ratio is 1 year to eternity, so any rational gambler would take the bet and go to church!
Compare it with the lotteries where you pay a pound/dollar or two for an almost non-existent chance to win a mind-blowing prize!

Why, exactly?

And you are an authority on the subject?

We simply don't know!

We know. When a process stops, it stops. This is a logical tautology and proves itself, no matter what you care to believe in. It cannot possibly be false under any set of circumstances. You don't need to be an authority on anything to know this; you just have to have enough brains to recognise a logical impossibility. Sadly, most people seem not to.

If I live 80 years, thats 4,160 Sundays. If i spend 2 hrs in church each Sunday, that's 8,320 hrs or just short of a year, I qualify for heaven if it exists.
Lets say there's 1 chance in a billion.
The cost/benefit ratio is 1 year to eternity, so any rational gambler would take the bet and go to church!
Compare it with the lotteries where you pay a pound/dollar or two for an almost non-existent chance to win a mind-blowing prize!

ah, but which church, eh? spin the roulette wheel!!! lol

Those who sleep and never wake, live forever the reality of their dreams... ;)

I (hope!) there is something after death, as i am petrified of the thought there is nothing after we die, so i keep onto the thought that something happens to us (like being reincarnated)...

Why are you scared Miss Gobby? Enjoy this lifetime and really make the most of it, seeing as we don't know what is beyond ;) x

Those who sleep and never wake, live forever the reality of their dreams... ;)
I hope i live forever then! The reality of my dreams? Being chased by a 7 foot tall banana wearing a condom for eternity? Not my idea of fun!

I hope i live forever then! The reality of my dreams? Being chased by a 7 foot tall banana wearing a condom for eternity? Not my idea of fun!
Well, your dream certainly amuses me!

I tremble to think what Freud would have made of it tho!

In the wors of my father i quote you this

"we are all dead people on holiday"

Here on eart is hell so we have lived that part.
and as for heaven what is it.
Im afraid my opinion is that when we are dead we are dead.

When you are dead - you are dead. Finito.

There is no heaven and no hell. The lights go out...click

Anyone who thinks differently is living on cloud cuckoo land.

I think we go to Cloud Cuckoo land. :hihi: :hihi:

I believe Porky Pig had the answer to this riddle, "Thats all Folks!"

If you do go to Heaven what will it be like ?
The thought of spending eternity strumming a harp and floating about on clouds sounds a bit boring. However if Heaven is whatever you want it to be then it might be ok.

Just wonderd what forumers think happens to them when they die? do we go to heaven or maybe hell or is that simply it all over?
Or maybe we come back reincarnated ? its a fascinating subject dont you agree?
Anyway heres a poll to give us a clue what we all think.
LISTEN there is no such thing as hell.. i would say there is different plains.. but no hell.. i work with spirits and i couldn't do if.. there was nothing else either that or a fantastic imagination.. don't worry when it is your time there will be someone wonderful waiting to hold your hand... then maybe you can come to me and say.... you were right.. it's a wonderful place...

When you are dead - you are dead. Finito.

There is no heaven and no hell. The lights go out...click

Anyone who thinks differently is living on cloud cuckoo land.
cuckooo cuckoooo!!!!!

i work with spirits

You work for a distillery?:hihi:

I don't believe in heaven or hell but I've had too many spooky experiences to be a complete atheist. I'm probably an agnostic. I'm not egotistical enough to think I'm right, when I know nothing really.

I think some part of our spirits can hang on if we are not finished. Why i don't know... I just know what I've seen/heard/experienced.

I don't believe in heaven or hell but I've had too many spooky experiences to be a complete atheist. I'm probably an agnostic. I'm not egotistical enough to think I'm right, when I know nothing really.

I think some part of our spirits can hang on if we are not finished. Why i don't know... I just know what I've seen/heard/experienced.
its never good to keep hold of our loved ones.. if as u say we have not finished... cause they need to move on.. move forward... .. i guess after all these years of working with ppl that are bereaved i guess i can say that i know there is something else.. i also believe in reincarnation and always have.. i don't pull people down for being sceptical.. cause we all have been at sometime or another.. i will let you find your own way it's the only way forward.. it would be a shame if you had to wait till it was your time to go back to spirit to find out though take care xxx

its never good to keep hold of our loved ones.. if as u say we have not finished... cause they need to move on.. move forward... .. i guess after all these years of working with ppl that are bereaved i guess i can say that i know there is something else.. i also believe in reincarnation and always have.. i don't pull people down for being sceptical.. cause we all have been at sometime or another.. i will let you find your own way it's the only way forward.. it would be a shame if you had to wait till it was your time to go back to spirit to find out though take care xxx

Yeah but Spirit these are not people i knew!

These were experiences in a shop I worked in at Trinity Street Arcade in Leeds that was built on top of a graveyard. For a couple of the experiences other people were with me and saw what I saw! And we certainly weren't looking for it we were just working.

The other one happened to me when I was 11 and reading a suspense book with a friend. My nan has weird experiences ALL the time and her mother did as well.

Yeah but Spirit these are not people i knew!

These were experiences in a shop I worked in at Trinity Street Arcade in Leeds that was built on top of a graveyard. For a couple of the experiences other people were with me and saw what I saw! And we certainly weren't looking for it we were just working.

The other one happened to me when I was 11 and reading a suspense book with a friend. My nan has weird experiences ALL the time and her mother did as well.
Well there is certainly some aspects of this running in the family then.. ppl say it does but i teach so i am not convinced everyone as the ability to work with spirit and see them.. so don't worry spirit rarely come to hurt you...

I like to believe there is some kind of heaven but at the same time we have all been dead before.
Before we were born we didn't exist, didn't know what was happening, didn't miss out because of this.
The only difference is there are people who live on because of us after we are gone where as before you are nothing.

I (hope!) there is something after death, as i am petrified of the thought there is nothing after we die, so i keep onto the thought that something happens to us (like being reincarnated)...


Most religions use this base fear as the main tool in controlling their congregations, the promise that if you do as you're told in this life great rewards await you in the next and vise versa.

It's a win-win situation really, isn't it?

If there is an afterlife you get to live forever with all your friends and family. If there isn't and death really is the end, you have no consciousness so you're not aware of anything.
Personally I believe in ReinCarnation - I've love to come back as a tin of condensed milk.

That's it - Kapoof - so-long kap-put .........:hihi:

I do hope there is more to the afterlife, I still have a duty to wind the other half up for eternity :hihi:

If you do go to Heaven what will it be like ?
The thought of spending eternity strumming a harp and floating about on clouds sounds a bit boring. However if Heaven is whatever you want it to be then it might be ok.
Back to Rudyard Kipling:
He wrote a poem starting "Thus said the Lord in the vault above the Cherubim" about Judgement Day. God destroys the earth, and is about to destroy the sea, when all the people who sailed it appeal to him,

"Lo our hands are rough and tarred
And the tune is somwhat hard"

and God calls the sea up to him:

"So they that take no pleasure
To serve the Lord by measure
May enter into galleons, and serve him on the sea"

The idea of "Heaven" is fowl...(honk)

DO you think it would be nice to be up there, with angels and babbie Jesu, for all eternity, knowing that some of your loved ones (and Mr Goose) was burning for all eternity?

I would call that hell...

Most religions use this base fear as the main tool in controlling their congregations, the promise that if you do as you're told in this life great rewards await you in the next and vise versa.


I always think its part of a wider "Infantile wish fullfillment" associated with relgionists- i.e. this life is unjust - the evil types may prosper, scum bags may win the lottery... while good people get random diseases like cystic fibrosis or colon cancer...

Religion gives you the comfort that even if much in life seems cruel, there is "justice" somewhere...

sadly this is a delusion
:(

well even as a spiritualist i find it hard sometimes to understand about bad and good ppl... i have lost ppl young to the spirit world that have done no wrong to others... and then bad ppl stay on this earth to hurt others... i believe that when they go to the spirit world there is no hell but there is different planes.... that u have to make amends for bad things u have done.. and then as you compensate for bad things u have done then you move up... until i reach there i guess i will not know... but i feel that in my heart... i have come across a few bad ppl from the spirit world that are lost.. and also in other ways... god brings me comfort but i don't press that on others.. but feel justice comes within.. we must always have to admit our faults.. that is so important other wise we do not move forward in life.. also i truely believe what goes around comes around.. and believe u me it does.. may not tomorrow or next week but when u least expect it..

well even as a spiritualist i find it hard sometimes to understand about bad and good ppl...it..

The bottom line is that the universe is utterly non human. If there was a mysterious "cause" to anything in the universe there would be signs of it everywhere... but there are not.

Our universe is fundamentally accidental, not purposeful. It is completely unhuman-related to a degree not imagined by any religious tradition, Buddhism included. And if we accept this is correct, all religious visions or mumbo jumbo ideas are radically and deeply mistaken.



Honk!

if there is a heaven/hell i think it will be pretty full by now wouldnt it?
if everyone is just come back reincarnated why is the world population is growing out of control? we have more human on earth then ever before:huh:
unless i am proving wrong ghost and spirits are all in your mind as so many video camera and tv in lots of haunted places and all we have caught is orbs (a small insert to you and me), So i think once you died you are buried and be use as petrol in a few thousand years

The bottom line is that the universe is utterly non human. If there was a mysterious "cause" to anything in the universe there would be signs of it everywhere... but there are not.

Our universe is fundamentally accidental, not purposeful. It is completely unhuman-related to a degree not imagined by any religious tradition, Buddhism included. And if we accept this is correct, all religious visions or mumbo jumbo ideas are radically and deeply mistaken.



Honk!

i don't disagree don't agree.. cause i am a little thick.. didn't understand your answer felt i needed a dictionary and a translator :huh: sorry no disrespect i am not pulling u down for being intelligent..
many thanks for replies anyway.. take care

i don't disagree don't agree.. cause i am a little thick.. didn't understand your answer felt i needed a dictionary and a translator :huh: sorry no disrespect i am not pulling u down for being intelligent..
many thanks for replies anyway.. take care

What I was trying to say.. was that the more we learn about the universe and life, the more we realise it is part of a big random galactic picture - without any cause or direction...

:)

I can confirm once and for all, THAT IS IT for most.Some will go to a place we call Heaven.

I can confirm once and for all, THAT IS IT for most.Some will go to a place we call Heaven.

and know that everybody else is burning in hell for all eternity? :mad:

what a quaint bronze age fairy story! :hihi:

and know that everybody else is burning in hell for all eternity? :mad:

what a quaint bronze age fairy story! :hihi:

No, like I said - some go to heaven, for those that dont, that is it.

No, like I said - some go to heaven, for those that dont, that is it.


Which religion is this a belief of?

I (hope!) there is something after death, as i am petrified of the thought there is nothing after we die, so i keep onto the thought that something happens to us (like being reincarnated)...

To a greater or lesser extent it is fears such as these that keep billions of people shackled to, and in fear of, religious doctrine.

Its really all rather amusing when you think about it.

No, like I said - some go to heaven, for those that dont, that is it.

which fairy tale did you get that qoute from? can you get a angle to shoot some love arrows to girls next to me! as i never seem to be able to pull, and tell the tooth fairy i want £50 pound due to inflation,

What I was trying to say.. was that the more we learn about the universe and life, the more we realise it is part of a big random galactic picture - without any cause or direction...

:)

Oh lol.. thanks for that more easy explanation... yes i agree.. totally:love:

The idea of "Heaven" is fowl...(honk)

DO you think it would be nice to be up there, with angels and babbie Jesu, for all eternity, knowing that some of your loved ones (and Mr Goose) was burning for all eternity?

I would call that hell...

However, many religions seem to "advertise" sitting in Heaven and watching the "sinners" burning in torment, as one of the wonders for which to look forward!

I thing people just want somethink to make them feel better about people that die:( it is nice to think that they safe and happy:) . if we do come back i want to be a cat all they do is eat,sleep and s**t on your things:hihi: :hihi: