It's been ten years since Britpop was (arguably) at it's peak!

So who do you lot think was the best britpop band ever?

and

What was their best Britpop album?

The only rules are:

1) You can't choose Oasis, Blur or Pulp (cos it's too obvious)...

2) They had to be around between 1993-1997...

would reef qualify for this? are they even british? Place your hands is an awesome song!

But why can't you choose Blur when they were around before the phrase Britpop was coined? It may be obvious, but they were still one of the strongest Britpop bands around.

Hmm..okay then...I'll choose....hmm...I'l get back to you on this one.

Do Placebo count as they were formed in Britain, signed to a Brit label...despite the fact that Brian and Stefan are from Luxembourg? Aside from them the rest of britpop was kind of crap!

Gene - They were ace and rather underated....

As I can't vote for Pulp, I'll say Cast. I saw them supporting Elvis Costello & the Attractions in 1995. The last album was a bit duff though.

Shed Seven - although if we're allowed Placebo, then I'm with beakerzoid, Placebo were and still are a fookin awesome band.

ooh i was such a blur girl...

I'll go for Kula Skaker - I adored the K album - second one something about pigs and astronaughts was rubbish though... was supposed to see them live at a teeny tiny club in Birmingham but my friend had tried to do emergancy CPR on a woman outside in the que who had just died so that kinda put a wierd spin on the evening...

what a random post that was!

Yeah Shed Seven!! Brilliant - but I am from York so slightly biased. But even better than the sheds.....

INSPIRAL CARPETS!!!

Best band in the world :clap:

Would Supergrass fit this category?

I don't pretend to own any of their albums but they did (indeed, still do) write some good songs, Moving for example, and that one that goes 'If you want to stay out'.

Whenever I've seen them live on TV they've come across very well.

I liked Shed Seven also, and saw them at the Leadmill around ten years ago.

I've also seen Oasis and Blur live. The latter were superior to the former in every department: better drummer, better guitarist, better bassist and most certainly, better vocalist.

Blur also had the benefit of not having their heads shoved up their back valves.

How about Suede? They were there in the "Britpop" era, and are one of the best around.

I'd go with Supergrass and Shed Seven too, would Radiohead count?

MARION - No contest!

Brilliant band - untouchable live. Their performance at the Leadmill in October 1995 was the best gig I've ever been to (and that includes all the Manics gigs I've seen!:o ). Incredible atmosphere, band and crowd as one, songs full of passion and and fire and angst - with a sexy singer who's VERY easy on the eye! What more could a girl ask?

Like the Manics, a band who Meant It and could have/should have been up there with the greats - but who were ultimately torn apart before their time by their own internal demons.

A criminally under-rated band, it's high time for a re-assessment of Marion's greatness by the music press. In many ways, very similar to the Only Ones - as the Only Ones were alongside punk but not entirely of it, so Marion were thrown in with Britpop, but were never quite a Britpop band. They didn't need to be part of a movement to shine.

Try to find footage of them live, and see what I'm on about.

StarSparkle

PS Oops, regarding their albums - "This World and Body" is a great album, although it doesn't do justice to the songs in the way their live performances did. "The Program" is in my opinion one of the most brilliant albums ever made (produced by Johnny Marr, incidentally) - firmly in my Top 3 of all time.

i'd have to say

longpigs

tiger

menswear

ne one remember these?

Suede, although I would say they made it big just before Brit Pop was born.

Maybe Elastica.

Britpop was such an awesome era but I think the best band to come out of it was Ash - Girl from Mars being the best song in my opinion. I also loved Echobelly and Sleeper and remember thinking Louise Wenner was totally gorgeous!

Best albums, well, there were so many, 1977 by Ash being up there, Charlatans telling stories album and Kula Shakers K, all awesome

Best period of music there has ever been

Originally posted by shiatsuhead
i'd have to say

longpigs

tiger

menswear

ne one remember these?

Oh yeah, the Longpigs were a top band - should have had loads more success than they did. I still listen to their first album from time to time.

And Richard Hawley's done pretty well for himself :thumbsup:

Menswear - classic single with "Daydreamer" but band was really all style rather than substance.

Don't remember Tiger.....

StarSparkle

I'm suprised nobody's mentioned The Verve yet.
Didn't they start around '92 - Britpop kinda time?

i thought pretty much the same about menswear

ie bein style and no substance but i thought that's wat made them great and a good representation ov britpop - coz it wer kind ov a fad thing all about image and nothing else in its truest form

Tiger didnt have a long life.

but i thought they sounded real cool

I'll agree with SeanyBoy who suggests Radiohead - 'The Bends' is a top album!

Other candidates:

- Dodgy
- The Wonder Stuff#
- The Vines

Possibly?

hmmm tatty genre really.

spose Menswear or Space (if you call Space britpop)

Originally posted by kentboy119
I'll agree with SeanyBoy who suggests Radiohead - 'The Bends' is a top album!

Other candidates:

- Dodgy
- The Wonder Stuff#
- The Vines

Possibly?

I love Dodgy but wouldn;t class them as Britpop really. ditto Wonderstuff. It is one of those genres that doesn;t really encompass that much.

late outsiders

Kingmaker, Lush, SLEEPER, Ash?

and would anyone put James in there?

I think there were some fantastic bands around!

Cast - a band always on top of their game & unlike most Britpop bands recorded quite a few albums. A few shoddy ones, but mainly class :thumbsup:

Supergrass - another long laster. Some great material, especially their earlier stuff.

Ocean Colour Scene - Can't believe nobody has mentioned them yet! Recorded one great album "Mosely Shoals" and then fell of the radar.

Kula Shaker - Quite a few votes for these already. Like most of the other good bands of the era they recorded one great album then ran out of steam.

Don't know if you would really class any of these as "brit pop" but:
Echobelly
Babybird
Cornershop
Echo & Bunnymen
Gorky's Zygotic Mynki
Mansun
Mull Historical Society
Paul Weller
Republica
Shack
Stereophonics
Super Furry Animals
Terrorvision
Bluetones
Devine Comedy
The Farm
The La's
Levellers
Lightning Seed's
Wannadies (not sure if they're even brit, but I liked them anyway)
And the mighty MSP

Seeing as I can't vote for Oasis (who despite being Mancs i like their music a lot), my vote goes to Ash (1977 was a great album) and Supergrass who have been consistently good in all their albums.:thumbsup:

Echobelly
Babybird
Cornershop
Echo & Bunnymen
Gorky's Zygotic Mynki
Mansun
Mull Historical Society
Paul Weller
Republica
Shack
Stereophonics
Super Furry Animals
Terrorvision
Bluetones
Devine Comedy
The Farm
The La's
Levellers
Lightning Seed's


The Bluetones had a pretty good album in "Learning To Fly". They are working on a new album I've heard. I think Mansun were pretty hit & miss. I think I can only name "Wide Open Space" as on of their songs!? I would'nt class The Manics as britpop, although "A Design For Life" had the feel & sound of britpop. I know a lot of people disagree, but IMO it was the best album they recorded.

I quite liked Sleeper as-well. But that probably had summat to do with Louise Wener & me being thirteen! :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Mighty_Boosh
Don't know if you would really class any of these as "brit pop" but:
Echobelly
Babybird
Cornershop
Echo & Bunnymen
Gorky's Zygotic Mynki
Mansun
Mull Historical Society
Paul Weller
Republica
Shack
Stereophonics
Super Furry Animals
Terrorvision
Bluetones
Devine Comedy
The Farm
The La's
Levellers
Lightning Seed's
Wannadies (not sure if they're even brit, but I liked them anyway)
And the mighty MSP

The mighty MSP were icons of the music scene before Britpop and they were icons of the music scene after Britpop.

They had nothing to do with Britpop.

I can see Richey's lip curling at the very idea.

StarSparkle

The Manics were a cult before Brit-pop and superstars after it - how can you say they had nothing to do with it? Everything Must Go was one of the biggest selling albums of 1996.

I know your a purist but you can't dispute the facts.

Originally posted by biofox
the best band to come out of it was Ash - Girl from Mars being the best song in my opinion.

Without a doubt.......even if you include Oasis, Blur and Pulp.

Ash are still producing brilliant songs........top band. :thumbsup:

A lot of bands were "very underground" until britpop... Then they suddenly became megastars. Take Pulp, Blur, Ocean Colour Scene, Suede etc. You cant ignore the fact that the Manics passed through the era bang on form. And if it wasn't for them, britpop would'nt have been the same

Originally posted by Chris_Sleeps
The Manics were a cult before Brit-pop and superstars after it - how can you say they had nothing to do with it? Everything Must Go was one of the biggest selling albums of 1996.

I know your a purist but you can't dispute the facts.

What I was saying is that the Manics were above and beyond Britpop.

They were there before it and they outlasted it. They were never a part of it. They didn't need to be part of a movement to succeed - they succeeded on their own merits.

StarSparkle

Originally posted by robbie
I love Dodgy but wouldn;t class them as Britpop really. ditto Wonderstuff. It is one of those genres that doesn;t really encompass that much.

late outsiders

Kingmaker, Lush, SLEEPER, Ash?

and would anyone put James in there?

Sleeper:

I've got their album - 'Lie Detector' top album - I got into them a few years back.

The opening track's great.

James apparently supported Radiohead in a concert not so long ago!

:)

Urban Hymnes- The Verve

Bittersweet Sympthony was britpop at it's peak.

Originally posted by the_rudeboy

Ash are still producing brilliant songs........top band. :thumbsup:


Ooooh I love Candy - such a great song...

Originally posted by StarSparkle
What I was saying is that the Manics were above and beyond Britpop.
What smug superior crap.

Originally posted by StarSparkle
They were there before it and they outlasted it. They were never a part of it. They didn't need to be part of a movement to succeed - they succeeded on their own merits.

I have a passion for Manics purists, their opinions never fail to amaze me. They were a part of brit-pop, don't kid yourself. Not in the same context that Oasis and Blur battled it out, but during those years they were one of the biggest bands on the scene. When Richie left/died/****** off because he was a self-pitying gimp, the Manics chose to move their music more mainstream. At a time when guitar bands were becoming commerical the Manics moved towards it. How does that make them "above it"?

Plus, they haven't succeded on their own merits. They died on their arses and became a joke.

Originally posted by Chris_Sleeps
What smug superior crap.


I have a passion for Manics purists, their opinions never fail to amaze me. They were a part of brit-pop, don't kid yourself. Not in the same context that Oasis and Blur battled it out, but during those years they were one of the biggest bands on the scene. When Richie left/died/****** off because he was a self-pitying gimp, the Manics chose to move their music more mainstream. At a time when guitar bands were becoming commerical the Manics moved towards it. How does that make them "above it"?

Plus, they haven't succeded on their own merits. They died on their arses and became a joke.

You are of course entitled to your own opinion, no matter how ridiculous, incoherent or just plain wrong it is.

The Manics were a guitar band LONG before Britpop came along - what rubbish you talk.

If they were part of Britpop, why didn't the OP refer to them in his original post alongside Oasis, Blur and Pulp? MSP were more successful than Pulp. They weren't mentioned because they weren't a part of Britpop. Simple as.

StarSparkle

Originally posted by StarSparkle
The Manics were a guitar band LONG before Britpop came along - what rubbish you talk.
The same applies to Blur and Pulp in that context then. Blur had been around about 4 years, Pulp had been around since the early 80's. Do we count them out?

Originally posted by StarSparkle
If they were part of Britpop, why didn't the OP refer to them in his original post alongside Oasis, Blur and Pulp?Don't ask me, ask him. I imagine its because they're not as iconic, they didn't have a huge single like "Common People" or "Country House". They are Brit-pop band though, lets be literal here. Brit-pop was period in the mid 90's where guitar bands became fashionable again. The Manics were a guitar band in the mid 90's who had numerous million selling albums. Why won't you admit it?

Originally posted by Chris_Sleeps
The same applies to Blur and Pulp in that context then. Blur had been around about 4 years, Pulp had been around since the early 80's. Do we count them out?

Don't ask me, ask him. I imagine its because they're not as iconic, they didn't have a huge single like "Common People" or "Country House". They are Brit-pop band though, lets be literal here. Brit-pop was period in the mid 90's where guitar bands became fashionable again. The Manics were a guitar band in the mid 90's who had numerous million selling albums. Why won't you admit it?

There's nothing to admit - MSP were not part of Britpop. How hard is that to understand? You're the first person I've ever come across who appears to be seriously arguing that they were :loopy:

Oasis, Blur and Pulp were all very British bands, who gloried in their Britishness at least for a while, and milked it for all it was worth. (Good luck to them, I've no problem with that). Blur may have been around in the early 90s, but their "Parklife" album was the epitome of Britpop. The Manics were simply not part of that scene - they deliberately kept themselves separate from other bands.

You seem to have a bit of an attitude problem towards the Manics. Very few bands gain the level of love, nay adoration, they received - not jealous, by any chance, are you? ;)

StarSparkle

Originally posted by StarSparkle
Oasis, Blur and Pulp were all very British bands, who gloried in their Britishness at least for a while, and milked it for all it was worth.
The Manics had a period of glorified Welshness. :P

Originally posted by StarSparkle
You seem to have a bit of an attitude problem towards the Manics. Very few bands gain the level of love, nay adoration, they received - not jealous, by any chance, are you? ;)
I like their music up to when Ritchie left, i just hate the culture that comes with it. I've seen them live about 6 times and the amount of glam kids who refuse to even move if its not a song off the first few albums does annoy me. :) I've even had conversations with fans along the lines of "int communism brilliant?" I have got my issues with them. ;)

I've said my piece and you've said yours. No point arguing any longer. Good day to you. :)

Originally posted by StarSparkle
There's nothing to admit - MSP were not part of Britpop. How hard is that to understand? You're the first person I've ever come across who appears to be seriously arguing that they were :loopy:

Oasis, Blur and Pulp were all very British bands, who gloried in their Britishness at least for a while, and milked it for all it was worth. (Good luck to them, I've no problem with that). Blur may have been around in the early 90s, but their "Parklife" album was the epitome of Britpop. The Manics were simply not part of that scene - they deliberately kept themselves separate from other bands.

You seem to have a bit of an attitude problem towards the Manics. Very few bands gain the level of love, nay adoration, they received - not jealous, by any chance, are you? ;)

StarSparkle Weren't they part of TaffPop along with Aled Jones and H from steps? I always lump them together!;)

Originally posted by absynthfairy
Ooooh I love Candy - such a great song...

Shining Light sends shivers down my spine.......one of my all time faves of all time mate. :D

It's sometimes difficult to separate the Britpop and Madchester stuff and then the indie bands that became mainstream off it all and are still around today. It started the death knell for all the S.A.W. pap that was filling the charts at the time, thank God.

Brit pop stuff that is/was good.

Paul Weller movement. (tee hee I always get him in somewhere!)
Lightening seeds.
Seahorses. Blinded by the sun still one of my favourite records.
Cast - saw them at the Leadmill before they got signed not long after the Las.
Sleeper.
Gene.
Elastica.
Verve.
OCS.
Ash -fantastic live.
And of course Blur and Oasis.

Manics and Radiohead were around at the time but don't think they quite fit the tag.

The Brit pop night that was on BBC3 not long ago brought back a lot of memories.

How come no-one's mentioned These Animal Men yet? Oh yes. Coz they were rubbish. :D

Paul Weller movement. (tee hee I always get him in somewhere!)
Lightening seeds.
Seahorses. Blinded by the sun still one of my favourite records.
Cast - saw them at the Leadmill before they got signed not long after the Las.
Sleeper.
Gene.
Elastica.
Verve.
OCS.
Ash -fantastic live.

All great bands except Ash (don't get me started) :rolleyes:. I know what
you mean about "a lot of crossover band's" from the Madchester era etc... I saw the BBC3 thingy; it made me feel really old :o

I'd definitely go with some other peeps on here and say "The Sun is Often Out" by the Longpigs. "She Said" was on the radio the other day and I got a shiver down my spine...

I'd definitely go with some other peeps on here and say "The Sun is Often Out" by the Longpigs. "She Said" was on the radio the other day and I got a shiver down my spine...

The Longpigs were definitely one of the most underated bands of the 90's! "The Sun Is Often Out" has got to be one of the most brilliant albums I own. Would have been great to see them live!

I'd definitely go with some other peeps on here and say "The Sun is Often Out" by the Longpigs. "She Said" was on the radio the other day and I got a shiver down my spine...

The Longpigs were definitely one of the most underated bands of the 90's! "The Sun Is Often Out" has got to be one of the most brilliant albums I own. Would have been great to see them live!

Completely agree with you :thumbsup: The Longpigs were an excellent band - great singles, great albums, great live. One of the mysteries of life is why they and Marion (the other criminally under-rated 'Britpop' band) didn't have HUGE success. I really thought their songs had that magical 'something'.

I was lucky enough to catch them live a few times - at one point in the mid 90s in Sheffield certainly, they were famous for being THE support band of choice. For a while it seemed like they supported every band who played at the Leadmill! Sorry you didn't get to see them, SWFC00 :(

StarSparkle

Urban Hymnes- The Verve

Bittersweet Sympthony was britpop at it's peak.

gah! music for granny.

I saw the BBC3 thingy; it made me feel really old :o[/QUOTE]

As opposed to me, who is old but refuses to feel it!

supergrass

the verve

think about it, who else soundtracked that time so well?

apart from the obvious...

Fans of the bands mentioned here will be delighted to know that the albums are widely available in charity shops from about £1 each.
Although I believe "All Change" by Cast will leave you with precisely that, if you were to proffer said pound.

Fans of the bands mentioned here will be delighted to know that the albums are widely available in charity shops from about £1 each.
Although I believe "All Change" by Cast will leave you with precisely that, if you were to proffer said pound.

You're a funny man :rolleyes: - although I am forced to agree with you about Cast :P

StarSparkle

Anyone mentioned Dodgy yet??? :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:

Missed out the Bluetones! They are playing at the Leadmill shortly too.
Me thinks I might go. (they again don't quite fit)

Having now looked through the whole thread would also like to add that Shed seven and Supergrass were/are tremendous as well and I went to see Dodgy somewhere but i can't think for the life of me where?! Travis started as a late Britpop band as well but then turned into Coldplay sidekicks. (First album Good feeling sounds very different to rest)

This thread inspired me to bid for a copy of 'Spartacus' by The farm on E bay - not quite Brit pop but it got me thinking about all the bands i used to like when i was a student, but didn't have the money to buy all the albums.

The Cast haters may be interested to know that Cast albums cost a fair few pennies on the aforementioned site not 1p!

Cast always got slated, but they were a fantastic band! "All Change" "Mother Nature Calls" etc... They were The La's playing pop! As for the Bluetones; another good band, "Expecting To Fly" was an album I wanted for years (and I mean years) since it came out in 95/96. Never got around to buying it but I think I'm going to treat myself this weekend. Songs like the obvious "Slight Return" and "Marblehead Johnson" were proper britpop anthems. I can remember britpop all kicking off when I was about thirteen or fourteen, stuff like Supergrass, Bluetones, Dodgy, Cast, Sleeper, and Ocean Colour Scene all played supporting roles to Oasis, Blur and Pulp. But arguably had more "memorable" hits that the latter two. Bands like Shed Seven & OCS couldn't get a record deal to save their lifes two or three years ago - but both bands have stayed the course. Both touring and founding their own labels. Neither have the chart success they had in the 90's; but both still manage to sell out gigs up and down the country.

Bluetones

&

Bluetones: Expecting To Fly
Sleeper: The It Girl
Echobelly: On

Bluetones were the first band me & the wife saw together back in 95 - we've seen them several times since.

& Sleeper & Echobelly....Louise & Sonia need I saw more...

MSP were not part of Britpop The Manics were simply not part of that scene - they deliberately kept themselves separate from other bands.



StarSparkle


Why did they support Oasis at Knebworth then?

Seems an odd way of distancing themselves from other bands.....

Britpop or not, they were good, and definitely part of the era that provided the soundtrack to falling in love with my wife

Why did they support Oasis at Knebworth then?

Seems an odd way of distancing themselves from other bands.....

Britpop or not, they were good, and definitely part of the era that provided the soundtrack to falling in love with my wife

I was talking socially. A lot of what made Britpop cohesive was the mixing socially that went on - everybody knowing and hanging out with everyone else, at places like the Good Mixer and the like.

Obviously, that was most apparent with the London bands, but essentially, Britpop was very incestuous.

The Manics largely kept themselves well away from all that, concentrating on their own music, preferring to spend their spare time at home in Wales, rather than living it up in London.

At one time, they actually professed hatred for most other bands, but that was a bit of hyperbole! (They LOVED the Clash! :thumbsup: )

StarSparkle

Mansun were the best band around at that time, although I'd not say they were 'Britpop' so to speak.

Shed Seven All The Way!

i absolutely loved world of twist - quality street was brilliant and then they just disappeared....gordon king was dreamy mmmmmm.....

Ok, you have forgot a few of the greats: Charlatans! Ride (a little bit previous but still around), What about suede? Super furry animals? Or if your talkin a bit more diverse, Bentley Rythem Ace and Portishead? Or a bit more indie dont forget the great then un signed BIS. But gotta agree Longpigs are so under rated.

Mr K

Remembered this thread and looked it up for some inspiration for music. :)

The Charlatans again are an oddity. They were much more the Madchester scene but again came through Britpop and are strong musicians today. Amazing really how many of this bands are still gigging and although maybe not making high record sales, consistent gigs instead. (Ocean Colour Scene for one)
Also would I stick Primal Scream in here once Mani joined them? Going to have to think about that one.
I'm loving the new Oasis tune, Lord don't slow me down - very Britpop at its best - and think it's about time for a Britpop revival.

How come no-one's mentioned These Animal Men yet? Oh yes. Coz they were rubbish. :D

Now that is completely untrue! (Come on join) The High Society was a quality album - much better than Oasis or Pulp or Blur in my opinion - all of whom i think are dreadful, run of the mill rehashed rubbish!

Ah, well as I'm not allowed to say Blur - Modern Life Is Rubbish (which I think I should, as it was prior to the "obvious" Parklife hullabaloo), then I will have to go for the following as my top albums of the era (even if they're not technically britpop):

Radiohead - The Bends
Longpigs - The Sun Is Often Out
Menswear - Menswear
Marion - This World and Body
Elastica - Elastica
Bis - The New Transistor Heroes
Urusei Yatsura - We Are Urusei Yatsura
Mansun - Attack of the Grey Lantern

Ah, well as I'm not allowed to say Blur - Modern Life Is Rubbish (which I think I should, as it was prior to the "obvious" Parklife hullabaloo), then I will have to go for the following as my top albums of the era (even if they're not technically britpop):

Radiohead - The Bends
Longpigs - The Sun Is Often Out
Menswear - Menswear
Marion - This World and Body
Elastica - Elastica
Bis - The New Transistor Heroes
Urusei Yatsura - We Are Urusei Yatsura
Mansun - Attack of the Grey Lantern

Good man! :o I may have to revise my opinion of you... :P :D

Can't remember if i've already replied to this - I'll check in a minute, but for now:

Marion - "The Program"
Marion - "This World and Body"
Suede - "Suede"
Suede - "Dog Man Star"
Longpigs - "The Sun is Often Out"
Radiohead - "Pablo Honey"
The Charlatans - "Tellin Stories"
Supergrass - "I Should Coco"
Portishead - "Portishead"
Ocean Colour Scene - "Moseley Shoals"
(Pulp - "Different Class")
(Blur - "Parklife")
(Blur - "The Great Escape")
(Oasis - "Definitely Maybe")
(Oasis - "What's the Story (Morning Glory)")

I would regard all the above artists as belonging to Britpop.

If I had to pick the best, I'd say Marion's "The Program"

All the Manics' albums would of course be in there at the top spots, but I don't personally regard them as coming under the Britpop banner, so haven't included them.

StarSparkle

Good man! :o I may have to revise my opinion of you... :P :D

Oh dear, did you have a bad opinion of me before? Oops!

I'm a miss rather than a mister by the way!

I was never a big Britpop fan, but from when it was at its peak I do admit to having a liking for Oasis, Blur and the vastly underrated Suede.

Oh dear, did you have a bad opinion of me before? Oops!

I'm a miss rather than a mister by the way!

Ooops! :blush: Sorry about that :P

And I had a serious 'blonde moment' last night and got you confused with another Forummer :blush: so many apologies for that. I did think it was very strange indeed that the person I was confusing you with would be a fan of Marion and the Longpigs... anyone who likes those bands must inevitably be a person of great taste and discernment :thumbsup:

StarSparkle

I was listening to an old compilation the other day when Break by The Gyres came on and I thought, 'Wow, Britpop at it's best, how come I've never heard of them?'

Ooops! :blush: Sorry about that :P

And I had a serious 'blonde moment' last night and got you confused with another Forummer :blush: so many apologies for that. I did think it was very strange indeed that the person I was confusing you with would be a fan of Marion and the Longpigs... anyone who likes those bands must inevitably be a person of great taste and discernment :thumbsup:

StarSparkle

Aw, no worries! :P As long as I haven't inadvertantly offended you, all's ok!

Can't remember if i've already replied to this - I'll check in a minute, but for now:

Portishead - "Portishead"

I would regard all the above artists as belonging to Britpop.

All the Manics' albums would of course be in there at the top spots, but I don't personally regard them as coming under the Britpop banner, so haven't included them.

StarSparkleBit of selective editing but just wanted to make two points.

Firstly i'm pretty sure Portishead would be mortified to be thought of as britpop they were very much part of the trip hop scene. to put them under the britpop banner means you'd have to include massive attack, tricky, morcheeba and a few others.

Secondly the manics were very much included under the britpop banner but hated it. However since they are now basically dad rock they probably look back at those days with fondness

Bit of selective editing but just wanted to make two points.

Firstly i'm pretty sure Portishead would be mortified to be thought of as britpop they were very much part of the trip hop scene. to put them under the britpop banner means you'd have to include massive attack, tricky, morcheeba and a few others.

Secondly the manics were very much included under the britpop banner but hated it. However since they are now basically dad rock they probably look back at those days with fondness


ok, I accept your point about Portishead - I was stretching the definition of Britpop a bit too far there, trying to include an excellent album.

But no, as I believe I've already explained ad nauseam in this thread, THE MANICS WERE NOT PART OF BRITPOP.

End of story.

StarSparkle

ok, I accept your point about Portishead - I was stretching the definition of Britpop a bit too far there, trying to include an excellent album.

But no, as I believe I've already explained ad nauseam in this thread, THE MANICS WERE NOT PART OF BRITPOP.

End of story.I agree with you to a point. The media included them in with britpop because there wasn't really any other convenient pigeonhole to put them in at the time. I never actually said they were britpop, just included under its banner. Its hard to say what they were at that point because they changed with every album. Some tried to say they were punk but to me nothing really fitted, they were one of those wonderful bands who we get now and again who defied description

I agree with you to a point. The media included them in with britpop because there wasn't really any other convenient pigeonhole to put them in at the time. I never actually said they were britpop, just included under its banner. Its hard to say what they were at that point because they changed with every album. Some tried to say they were punk but to me nothing really fitted, they were one of those wonderful bands who we get now and again who defied description

Exactly so. I'm glad we can agree on that :)

StarSparkle

The Manics obviously weren't britpop till after 'The Holy Bible' after that they sprinted to the MOR a fast as any band I can recall and seemed to go very much for Oasis's anthemic drunken sing along market.

'Everything Must Go' is a brit pop album if ever their was one.

The Manics obviously weren't britpop till after 'The Holy Bible' after that they sprinted to the MOR a fast as any band I can recall and seemed to go very much for Oasis's anthemic drunken sing along market.

'Everything Must Go' is a brit pop album if ever their was one.

The point is, The MANICS were never a Britpop band - and that is what this thread is referring to.

Apart from anything else, the 'Manics' were no longer the Manics proper once Richey was no longer there. The Manic Street Preachers apres-Richey was a completely different band - Richey was the heart and soul and spirit of the Manics.

StarSparkle

The point is, The MANICS were never a Britpop band - and that is what this thread is referring to.

Apart from anything else, the 'Manics' were no longer the Manics proper once Richey was no longer there. The Manic Street Preachers apres-Richey was a completely different band - Richey was the heart and soul and spirit of the Manics.

StarSparkle
Yeah and a true scotsman would never put sugar on their porridge :rolleyes:

The Manics 'proper' might never have been a Brit Pop band the Manics however were, specifically they were a Brit Pop band when they released 'Everything Must Go'.

I get requests for 'Everything must go' and 'A design for life' on the same sheet as other dad rock like Ocean Colour Scene & Oasis all the time which would suggest that atleast those who request stuff at my nights seem to consider them Brit Pop, and not the good kind either.

The Manics obviously weren't britpop till after 'The Holy Bible' after that they sprinted to the MOR a fast as any band I can recall and seemed to go very much for Oasis's anthemic drunken sing along market.

'Everything Must Go' is a brit pop album if ever their was one.Would you consider everything before EMG not britpop?

Yeah and a true scotsman would never put sugar on their porridge :rolleyes:

The Manics 'proper' might never have been a Brit Pop band the Manics however were, specifically they were a Brit Pop band when they released 'Everything Must Go'.

I get requests for 'Everything must go' and 'A design for life' on the same sheet as other dad rock like Ocean Colour Scene & Oasis all the time which would suggest that atleast those who request stuff at my nights seem to consider them Brit Pop, and not the good kind either.

Well, thank you. We are in agreement :P

StarSparkle

Would you consider everything before EMG not britpop?
They may have released some brit-poppy non-album singles and eps that I've forgotten about before EMG but I certainly wouldn't consider Generation Terrorists, Gold Against the Soul, The Holy Bible to be brit-pop they're too raw for that.

Well, thank you. We are in agreement :P

StarSparkle
Except we aren't because I don't accept your spurious distinction between the Manics and the 'proper' Manics.

They may have released some brit-poppy non-album singles and eps that I've forgotten about before EMG but I certainly wouldn't consider Generation Terrorists, Gold Against the Soul, The Holy Bible to be brit-pop they're too raw for that.My thoughts exactly. Once Richy left they lost the anger and the aggression and some of the poetry and soul.