On the front page of the Star today is says the markets are now moving to the moor.

What i want to know is what's going to happen to the old markets?? Will our city centre get even smaller?? What do you think should happen to the area??

I think it should all be gutted and nice new modern buildings put in their place. Tell me what you think.

Something useful. I never did like the markets but at least it was good use of space. That area has deteriorated greatly over many years and there is really no reason to head down that way. What we need is A REASON. It needs a definite purpose. Something to attract us and to bring life to that area once again. As to what I do not know. Will have a think.

Ther Moor area is (although I recognise the fact that it's not brilliant) one of the better areas of the city centre.

The market's end of town (although I recognise the fact that it's probably not quite the worst area in Sheffield ) is by far the worst area in the city centre.

Merge the two together on The Moor, ( I know this actually sounds impossible) and Sheffield city centre will become even more unbeautiful.

When the hideous Castle Market is gone I'd like to see the castle foundations restored and on permanent display, then the surrounding area redeveloped. Anyone agree?

no matter what SHOULD happen, it will no doubt be filled with flats.

I think the ideas are already in place for the markets, they are flats and a buisness development linking in with the riverside exchange, if that's the case then it can only be better for the area.

It will be better with the markets by the Moor, as the Moor is supposed to be the area for bargin shopping.

I think that, for about 6 months, they should just leave it unoccupied, and have some benches and potted plants, so we can go there, sit down, have a breather and THANK GOD that it's finally gone.

Originally posted by segasonic
When the hideous Castle Market is gone I'd like to see the castle foundations restored and on permanent display, then the surrounding area redeveloped. Anyone agree?

I fully agree, I was going to type that but you beat me to it!

The castle foundations should be on display, but you can pretty much guarantee that we'll get some anonymous blocks (just like that bland - in fact ugly- block that Carillion are putting up behind Wilkinsons). Our planners and politicians are trying to get rid of any character in the city centre, and they won't rest till they've concreted over our history and made us a clone of Milton Keynes.

Would be nice to see the castle foundations.

No more flats or offices please. Who can afford all the expensive flats?? And why would you want to live there staring at the mad roundabout?

What about a new cinema in the city?? Why do they always have to be out of town? Are they not knockin down Odeon, and roxy and biulding another hotel? Or have the plans changed again?

Originally posted by fuzzy
Would be nice to see the castle foundations.

No more flats or offices please. Who can afford all the expensive flats?? And why would you want to live there staring at the mad roundabout?

What about a new cinema in the city?? Why do they always have to be out of town? Are they not knockin down Odeon, and roxy and biulding another hotel? Or have the plans changed again?

WTF?! They're getting rid of the Odeon?! Since when?!

Gah! ****ing retarded Politicians!

Apologies for swearing, which will get censored out by the mods anyway, I'm just shocked and disgusted by this, I mean... they closed the old Odeon on Burgess St and made the building into a Nightclub, now they're getting rid of the Arundel Gate one?!

Granted the UGC and the Warner Village at Meadowhell both have better facilities, and are in most cases cheaper than the Odeon, but we don't always want to have to go down all the way down Attercliffe to see a film on the big screen... Gone are the days of the old Gaumont on the Wicker, or the ABC on Angel St (Where Argos now stands), and the Anvil near the Debenhams roundabout.

Originally posted by fuzzy
No more flats or offices please. Who can afford all the expensive flats?? And why would you want to live there staring at the mad roundabout?

Lots of people can afford them, haven't had any problems selling any of the other city centre developments so far.

Originally posted by fuzzy
Would be nice to see the castle foundations.

No more flats or offices please. Who can afford all the expensive flats?? And why would you want to live there staring at the mad roundabout?

What about a new cinema in the city?? Why do they always have to be out of town? Are they not knockin down Odeon, and roxy and biulding another hotel? Or have the plans changed again?

I fail to see the point of another Hotel on Arundel Gate when there's a perfectly good one bang across the road from the Odeon (Novotel anyone?!).

Planners are thick money grabbing bar stewards in my opinion :mad:

Originally posted by segasonic
When the hideous Castle Market is gone I'd like to see the castle foundations restored and on permanent display, then the surrounding area redeveloped. Anyone agree?

Agree 100%, but they'll probably make a pig's ear of it.

Be nice to see the castle ruins on display (and protected).

For once I am going to defend the Council :o

Redeveloping the Odeon has nothing to do with them at all, especially as it belongs to Quintain, who bought it years ago along with the rest of the block for... guess what... redevelopment!

As regards hotels, while there is demand in Sheffield people will build them! If there isn't demand, then they won't. You don't seriously think that firms spend millions without doing a bit of research do you? Be pleased that people want to come to Sheffield - it shows success. MORE HOTELS I SAY!

Things move on folks. You can't pickle a living breathing city.

Well hate to say it but I'll bet that it'll be a new development of posh flats + offices!

Originally posted by Tony
As regards hotels, while there is demand in Sheffield people will build them! If there isn't demand, then they won't. You don't seriously think that firms spend millions without doing a bit of research do you? Be pleased that people want to come to Sheffield - it shows success. MORE HOTELS I SAY!

Agree totally. We should aim to get more tourists into Sheffield. We've got lots of things to offer....

One point about the markets - what can actually be built there? It's an area of historical importance, so wouldn't it be criminal for permission to be granted for buildings which would need deep foundations?

It's not just tourists of course. Most hotel rooms are occupied by people on business in Sheffield. This is far more valuable than a few americans with camcorders.

I understand that the Castle Market foundations already pierce the Castle foundations, of which there is very little left.

In an ideal works, the site would be cleared and transormed into an urban parkland. This would have the lovely benefit of giving the City something to think of as real heritage instead of trying to create false heritage from knackered old buildings.

However, Sheffield Council own the site and they will want to realise the development value of the asset.

But there's little point building hotels for businessmen if business isn't expanding at the same rate. We've just got to hope it does. Certainly doing OK so far. Tourism is one of Britain's biggest industries and I think we should aim to get a slice of that.

The study of the castle by Sheffield University two years ago actually showed that at least 75% of the castle foundations remain. If the market foundations truly have pierced the castle foundations, we've just got to pray that our latest rulers don't vandalise the rest of the site in the same way.

Not sure I share your vision, but it's such a sensitive site that there will be objections no matter what happens.

I agree with your last comment even though I think it's sad that the council will aim for profit rather than amenity and heritage. 'Twas ever thus.

Hotel companies will only operate hotels where there is demand. At least 3 hotels are planned in Sheffield, so you can be sure that there is demand.

Local Authorities unfortunately have no choice but to attain "best value" under the Local Government Act. That has been defined through the courts as the best financial deal - nothing much else really matters unfortunately. It's a crap act, but it's there.

build another castle?

You could have the remains of the original castle on show with a cafe and other amenies on the lower floor. Then have offices and conference rooms above with stunning views of the cleaned up canal, the old but cleaned up court buildings. They could also have part of the castle as a function suite for weddings or other special do's with the castle battlements serving as a great background to a rooftop restaurant/dance floor.

:loopy: or :thumbsup:

I meant amenities

I love that idea :D

Rebuild the entire castle! Rebuild the entire castle!

Sheffield has an amazing history - as rich as any other city in the country.

Here's an interesting website (http://www.sheffieldmarkets.co.uk/pages/history/toc.htm) about the Castles history

We should be restoring it, not demolishing it!


Err...I've just seen how big (http://web.ecomplanet.com/KIRK6479/ServerContent/MyCustomImages/KIRK6479CustomImage0861203.jpg) the castle originally was...you'd have to flatten the whole area to do so...but no great loss to our city

i love sheffield but why is it places like Barnsley and leeds all have old buildings that have just been cleaned up and re-stored infact most of them have. but sheffields old buildings all get flatterned and re-built in these modern things. Im not just talkin bout the city centre because its all over sheffield. Id like to think when i have children id like them to look at the old buildings and be proud of what sheffield was and is and not have to look at pictures to see the old buildings.

Rock on Abdul , Rock on

I want the original castle remains on show to the public and visiting business persons.

Ok maybe it's not feasible to rebuild the castle at it's original size but it would be nice to have some link with the past and since the area is known as Castle market and there's a Castle house I just thought it fitting.

Exactly sheffield has sooooooo much history look at the jorvix in york its ace why cant sheffield do something similar as it would be so nice for the sheffield youth to be able to see how great sheffield actually was.

The Moor area can be seen as an area of low price shopping which is very popular with everyone do you not think, due to its budget nature. The city centre has a lot of relics of 60s planning mistakes and the current plan is to make the city centre more European with cafes, coffee houses with pavement seating etc...

As for the Odeon area what does everyone think about safety in this area at night...

Originally posted by Abdul
Rebuild the entire castle! Rebuild the entire castle!

We should be restoring it, not demolishing it!


Cromwell did a VERY through job at demolishing it right down to the foundations. There is nothing to restore.

Originally posted by fuzbuz
i love sheffield but why is it places like Barnsley and leeds all have old buildings
Leeds and Barnsley didn't have the guts bombed out of them in WW2.

Originally posted by Tony
Cromwell did a VERY through job at demolishing it right down to the foundations. There is nothing to restore.

:nono: Naughty boy (Cromwell, not you ;) )

Why do Sheffield council want to move the market area anyway ?Was it built in the wrong place the first time round .Some German developer company offers the free booby prize and our council says "yes please " you can have the free run of the place knock anything down that you fancy .We know you will do it for free .Charge us what you like for the next --------years for renting a new market from you Joe Public won't mind ,he hasn't used the old markets for years (as we have knocked most of them down). We will gain another asset for the council to be near and to compliment the beautiful red brick M.S.C. building that we were proud to accept as a free gift to block off the bottom of the Moor .

Ok then .. a few facts might be good here.

The "German Developer Company" is actually the UK branch of a German bank. That bank bought the long term leasehold interest of most of The Moor from Sheffield Council for a lot of money because the Council didn't have a clue what to do with it. Since then they have been stymied in anything that they have tried to do because the Council now wants to protect the NRQ project.

Any new markets will be a purely commercial "at risk" venture by Deutsche Bank. They will probably have to purchase additional property to create the market.

Would you take the risk of building a new market for rent in Sheffield?

It would be nice if Sheffield could have the market where it's traditionally always been - where were the first market areas?

Tony,
That's interesting that the English branch of a German bank bought the leaseholds from Sheffield council ,and now the council are going to let them have their way with them again !
YES , OF COURSE I WOULD BUILD A MARKET TO RENT TO S.C.C.

That's interesting that the English branch of a German bank bought the leaseholds from Sheffield council in the first place ,and now the council are going to let them have their way with them again !
YES , OF COURSE I WOULD BUILD A MARKET TO RENT TO S.C.C.

When the hideous Castle Market is gone I'd like to see the castle foundations restored and on permanent display, then the surrounding area redeveloped. Anyone agree?

Have you ever seen them! There's only about 2 brinks and a section of archway - what sort of a display are you hoping to make?