Sheffield University club
Tuesday 8 - 10
Saturday 10 - 13

Goodwyn SportsHall
Main Hall

Non-students and newcomers welcome. First session free, wear tracksuit bottoms and a T-shirt.

Hope to see some of you there.

Our local club website
http://www.shef.ac.uk/~jiujitsu

Our national organisation/governing body
http://www.jitsufoundation.org

Hello everybody

I would just like to say that i have seen a number of Ju Jitsu players doing their thing and i have talked to a number of students who have stated that the material they do is ineffective. They have even been told this by the instructor, who feels that at 40 years of age, is too old to try new things and test his ability.(has not stopped Rick Young)

I train in JKD at the Source near Meadowhall, i have trained with the instructor for quite some time now(before he moved to the source) and can honestly say that his method is the closest you can get to a fully functional martial art and Self defence


If you want to get your youngster into any martial art so she can look after herself, get her down there and talk to Mark Hayes

All the best

it maybe the closest thing to that for you but that is for you you cannot assume it will work for everyone. and if you talk to some people about jkd they might say it isnt that effective, is there a reason why gracie ju-jutsu wins most ufc fights?when was the last time a jkd fighter won one?

to blast a martial art because some people have said it is pants is wrong, as in my opinion is using a great teachers name as your own.

i am not talking ill of anyone, in fact i respect all martial artists that i meet and train with, i recently met a ju jitsu man from Germany who had been training before i was born. BJJ wins in UFC because for one, the fight is 1 on 1, that probability outside is thin, i have also seen two of the gacies fight and they are uncomfortable with boxing and kicking range so go straight for the takedown, now i am not sayin BJJ is not good as i have just purchased a book on the subject, it is how you work the art and as far as i am aware, JKD allows you that freedom.

Back when Royce Gracie was winning the early UFCs the competition was very raw and could not deal with his ground skills and defensive guard. These days the fighters are much more well rounded in a number of disciplines which is why the Gracies now struggle. While UFC is very much real it is also scripted to a certain extent. Most of the fighters are very often eager and keen to go to ground which I don't think would be the case in a real life/death struggle with no referee. Since its debut new rules have been introduced in abundance which have helped to distance UFC competition from real life street violence. It has obviously helped because MMA is now one of the fastest growing sports and is getting bigger audiences than ever.

Originally posted by inosanto
Hello everybody

I would just like to say that i have seen a number of Ju Jitsu players doing their thing and i have talked to a number of students who have stated that the material they do is ineffective. They have even been told this by the instructor, who feels that at 40 years of age, is too old to try new things and test his ability.(has not stopped Rick Young)

I train in JKD at the Source near Meadowhall, i have trained with the instructor for quite some time now(before he moved to the source) and can honestly say that his method is the closest you can get to a fully functional martial art and Self defence


If you want to get your youngster into any martial art so she can look after herself, get her down there and talk to Mark Hayes

All the best

This certainly isn't my experience. I have 5 years of experience in TKD and more recently over 7 in jiu jitsu (not brazilian).
Firstly, we don't play, maybe that's where you've gone wrong?
I personally do not feel that our syllabus is ineffective. There are gaps, and more advanced students (in most martial arts I think) cross train in other styles to make themselves a more rounded martial artist. There are also techniques that teach you a principle and are not an 'effective' technique, this is also common to other martial arts. The bulk of the syllabus though consistents of good solid techniques, the way we train means that you still have a chance of them working in a real pressure situation if you have to defend yourself.
The highest grades of our style are all over 40, and it doesn't seem to have stopped them yet. Our Shihan is in fact in his late 60's and he still teaches and trains also.

Is the style of TKD that you practice inosanto Olympic TKD? Just interested as I attended a class a few months ago in Hillsborough, but was disappointed that in the sparring you are not allowed to punch or kick to your opponents head. Best self defence, when you can never train with or against the most common attack, I don't think so.

My recommendation to most people who are thinking about a martial art is to try out several. It's not just the materiel on the syllabus, other things may affect your decision such as the people already in the club, the way the instructor teaches, even the location of the dojo.

that is great, all styles do have gaps and the students should be made aware of that. i am also unsure which club it is as the student that stressed the points to me will not share that info. i also think is is fantastic that the over 40s train, that is my point, i really do not think you are ever too old to train, and as you say, students should be encouraged to cross train to work the various techniques within their own syllabus

If anyone was interested and was planning to come along this coming Saturday, there is no session because we are all going to a national competition this weekend.

Insonanto...
Just curious about the philosophy of jkd- what was the message that Bruce Lee said about what he had created? why later he wished he never created it? What structure do you take in the class. Do you do drills or forms , two man drills etc? don't you think that Ju jitsu has an element of jkd?or jkd has an element of Ju Jitsu. I ask cos i'm curious what is it you are saying about Ju Jitsu? Very mixed messages you are giving?

It's a shame when a practictioner of martial A feels that the way to promote it is to critise another martial art. Especially if the best experience they can offer is watching and talking to people.

It probably says something about the person involved and the style that they do.

Starting Jiu Jitsu tonight. Goin to one on Abbeydale Road. Anyone know what its like?

Sorry, only ever been to the university club in Shef.

Inosanto - you say the ‘material’ they do, which implies they are still doing it? So let me get this straight – they are practicing a martial art which they feel is ineffective and learning from an instructor who has presumably trained for several years to become an instructor in an art that he also feels is ineffective? The obvious question seems to be ‘why’?

I’m not sure what the point of your post is? That ju-jitsu doesn’t work because you’ve spoken to people it didn’t work for? That JKD is better because that’s what works for you? Surely what is apparent from your post is that not every martial art works for every individual, but we should all know that anyway. Not all techniques in ju-jitsu or any other art will be effective for every individual, but that is down to the individual to ‘absorb what is useful and discard what is not’ (using the late, great Bruce Lee’s words). If you’re not able to distinguish between the useful and the useless (for you), no matter what art you do, you could find yourself in trouble. I would have thought that in an art like Ju-Jitsu, which covers a wide range of skills, such as kicks, punches, throws, locks, blocks, chokes, ground-fighting, escapes, etc., there should be plenty to absorb (I have a DVD which shows Dan Inosanto incorporating Ju-Jitsu into JKD, so he obviously found something worth absorbing).

Just for the record, I know of several people who have found ju-jitsu effective, although I’ll be the first to admit that this proves nothing, just like the fact that you’ve spoken to people who found it ineffective also proves nothing. There are many reasons why an individual may win a fight or defend himself or herself successfully, not just the art they are practicing.

I’m sure that JKD is an excellent martial art, and Mark Hayes’ credentials are obviously superb (I’d have like to have trained in JKD myself if he hadn’t moved a little too far away – the swine! LOL), but to mention what a good art JKD is in a post in which you also mention the apparent lack of effectiveness of ju-jitsu seems like a ‘my style is better than your style’ debate. Maybe that’s unintentional? Or maybe I’m reading it wrong (but from the other comments posted, I don’t think I’m the only person to read it that way). If you’d wanted to comment on your experiences of JKD, or on your particular class/instructor, perhaps it might have been a little more considerate to have started another topic instead of posting on Cyclone’s ju-jitsu thread (not that Mark needs ‘biggin’ up’ anyway as he posts on here himself).

I hope I haven’t offended – that isn’t my intention - I just think that your post could give the wrong impression and I’m simply intending to try and redress the balance a little (although Cyclone’s post does appear to provide a balanced assessment of ju-jitsu).

No offence is meant by the above postings.i would also agree that the effectiveness of the art is down to the individual and how they train. I am of the same view also that, if the instructor feels his art is ineffective then "why " teach it, but then, it is a martial arts form, whether you train for the art itself or the effectiveness.
JKd also offers you the option of training in various arts where as some traditional art forms look down on the cross training arena.

I also feel that you are never too old to train in the martial arts as long as you train in an art that is accepting to any physical problems or disabilities a person may have, this was also stressed in this months review of disabled people in martial arts by blackbelt magazine, referring to JKD as the ideal art for it's ideas. And lets face it, at the end of the day, if we could see two people outside fighting, would we know which art they came from?

No art is better than another, it is the instructor that makes it better or worse, and if the techniques taught are not taught with resistance then the art then becomes ineffective for the student/teacher.

apologies for any offence caused

I am a beginner and want to start Jujutsu. I want basic self-defence - I am not interested in becomming a 'champion' but I would like to learn something genuine.

Could someone point me to the various styles in Sheffield, where they are, and their strengths and weaknesses etc. And what is the difference between traditional and sport Jujutsu - should I be concerned about one or the other and why?

Before I start, I'd like to take a look around and compare. I have looked on other links and have a little info, but not much. Castle BBA & Abbeydale - how do they compare - are they the same group? Others? And someone told me Aikido is like Jujutsu. Is that true?

Is there a list of Jujutsu contacts anywhere?

Any info appreciated.

Cheers ...

Aikido is similar, but also quite different. Give it a try, that's the best way to find out.

My club runs Thursday 6:30 - 8 and Sat 10 - 12:30.
Details here. (http://www.shef.ac.uk/~jiujitsu/)

i think its called Castle Jujitsu is at a church hall on ringinglow rd. i can find the number out for you if you want, because the man that teaches it lives a few doors up from me.

Don't they do it as part of the courses at Castle College? They did last year when I was looking through teh Choices catalogue.

hiya, i have no idea what the road is called but i hope someone can tell me theres a sheffield jujitsu place its on the roads behind abbeydale road

from my experience castle is good if you're wanting to go for more than 3 hours a week.

you pay a monthly fee, and go whenever you want

their teachers are all very good, and their Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is particularly good (the kinda stuff you see on UFC) - if you live close enough its worth going definately. I live all the way across town and had no way of getting there/back easily (its impossible to find buses from upperthorpe to chesterfield road)

definately worth checking out.

The traditional arts (karate, kung fu, judo,) will teach you good self control, will get you fit, but will not teach you practical ways of fighting. Good for sport fighting, good for general self control, but my problem was the lack of physical contact.

Taekwondo, in my opinion, is not worth entering into unless you are going purely for fitness or sport fighting. It is pretty useless for self defence and has a lot of people teaching it that shouldnt be.

Muay Thai is the most "effective" striking art, but I think its quite hard to get into, and you can be expected to be beaten up the first few times. likewise I think thats the case with boxing gyms.

erm, I'm in the same boat, looking for somewhere to train that isnt gonna murder me but is gonna keep me on my toes.

if you find anywhere let me know

If you want to learn a Martial art in a relaxed friendly atmosphere and not get duffed up by some 6'5" behemoth with a black belt, try the Shotokan/Sh*to Ryu Karate classes on Wednesday and Friday nights at Hillsborough Leisure Centre 6.15-7.45 PM.

And if you go tomorrow night, you'll have the pleasure of meeting, me! I've been going since last July, still only a white belt though but I train for the exercise, not rapid progression through the belt colours.

i take it your comment of 'lack of physical contact' when referring to judo means that you speak from a position of never having tried it?
I've had several people pm me apparently with the intention of coming for one session to the uni club to have a look, to the best of my knowledge no one has actually turned up yet though, is it difficult to find or in a bad location (near the hallamshire and childrens hospital).

Originally posted by Carl_Malibu
from my experience castle is good if you're wanting to go for more than 3 hours a week.

you pay a monthly fee, and go whenever you want

their teachers are all very good, and their Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is particularly good (the kinda stuff you see on UFC) - if you live close enough its worth going definately. I live all the way across town and had no way of getting there/back easily (its impossible to find buses from upperthorpe to chesterfield road)

definately worth checking out.

The traditional arts (karate, kung fu, judo,) will teach you good self control, will get you fit, but will not teach you practical ways of fighting. Good for sport fighting, good for general self control, but my problem was the lack of physical contact.

Taekwondo, in my opinion, is not worth entering into unless you are going purely for fitness or sport fighting. It is pretty useless for self defence and has a lot of people teaching it that shouldnt be.

Muay Thai is the most "effective" striking art, but I think its quite hard to get into, and you can be expected to be beaten up the first few times. likewise I think thats the case with boxing gyms.

erm, I'm in the same boat, looking for somewhere to train that isnt gonna murder me but is gonna keep me on my toes.

if you find anywhere let me know

I'm sorry but to say that "The traditional arts karate, kung fu, judo, will not teach you practical ways of fighting." is tosh! Where do people think their nice UFC and such come from, from the traditional arts that's where. Anyone who thinks these arts have no modern relevance than they are watching too many films and not training properly.

There are many martial artists who post their views on here and I respect their views and opinions and usually agree. In this case I fear the innocence and ignorance of youth.

Yours in budo

Originally posted by Carl_Malibu
from my experience castle is good if you're wanting to go for more than 3 hours a week.

you pay a monthly fee, and go whenever you want

their teachers are all very good, and their Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is particularly good (the kinda stuff you see on UFC) - if you live close enough its worth going definately. I live all the way across town and had no way of getting there/back easily (its impossible to find buses from upperthorpe to chesterfield road)

definately worth checking out.



are they still teaching BJJ at Castle? who's teaching it? i know nilson lopes shares the facilities but he wasn't affiliated to castle bba, and i was led to believe that andy roberts had left and was teaching at the 393 club?

Hiya, I've been training at the Sheffield Ju-Jitsu Association (part of the World Ju-Jitsu Federation) on Little London Road (Opposite Stokes Paints) for the past year and a bit. We train Tuesday and Thursday nights from 8.00-9.30pm, Saturday 11.00-12.30pm and Sunday 6.00-7.30pm. I'd done Judo and Karate before but broke my arm very badly doing Judo so I was looking for something fairly controlled. I't a good club, very friendly with a traditional etiquette-but you can have a laugh. The cost is £3.50 a class and you just pay when you take a class no DD schemes or whatever. We have people who train with us from Castle and Abbeydale Road and there's not much difference in what is taught. I think Sensei Sheehan who runs Castle originally got his black belt from the WJJF? Tuesday and Thursday nights teach the syllabus and are lighter physically. Saturday morning is a great session with a focus on fitness, sparring and ground fighting and Sunday tends to be a mixture. The dojo itself is well equipped (the changing area isnt great) with pads, gloves, weapons etc. So there you are!

Sensei Sheehan?

Is that someones real name.

Bit of a coincidence if it is, Shihan (romanisation of japanese word) means 'head of style' and is phonetically the same as Sheehan.

Amusing if it is just a coincidence.

Sorry! His name I think is Rob sheehan. It means teacher in Japanese I think and you use it to any higher grade who's teaching you. I was just being respectful to someone from a different club-I don't like martial artists who think every style and teacher except their own is crap. Sorry for the confusion!!

God I'll never get any work done. I meant Sensei means teacher in japanese!!

Originally posted by belfastblade
Sorry! His name I think is Rob sheehan. It means teacher in Japanese I think and you use it to any higher grade who's teaching you. I was just being respectful to someone from a different club-I don't like martial artists who think every style and teacher except their own is crap. Sorry for the confusion!!

sorry, i wasn't clear either.

It's the Sheehan bit that was amusing as it sounds identical to Shihan, which is Japanese and means 'head or master of style'.

So, I call my instructors Sensei, my students call me Sensei, but when I train under the head of style I call him Shihan (as does everyone else).

I thought the head of style was called Soke?

Originally posted by belfastblade
I thought the head of style was called Soke?

I think soke is Chinese. A few seconds of research has turned up this

The word "soke" is rarely used in Japan where, if it is used at all, it strongly implies loyalty to existing schools, deference to ancestral authority, and conservative adherence to traditional forms. Whereas, in the west, it is often incorrectly used to mean either founder or grandmaster of an existing or newly created martial arts training system.


and

shihan is just a word that means, roughly speaking, an exemplar, a master or master teacher. Sensei means teacher, too, though it is also used for people who are physicians, dentists, even lawyers and politicians

So in the style I belong too all instructors are Sensei (Teacher) and the head of style is Shihan (Master Teacher).

Originally posted by Carl_Malibu

The traditional arts (karate, kung fu, judo,) will teach you good self control, will get you fit, but will not teach you practical ways of fighting. Good for sport fighting, good for general self control, but my problem was the lack of physical contact.

Judo - lack of physical contact?
Where were you training?!!!

here here Dafoot!! :)

Any martial art that gets people training is cool.

We have just started an adult Jiu- jitsu club in Dronfield, Monday nights at 8 PM at the Henry Fanshaw Dronfield School in the upper movement hall, Green Lane.

I graded directly under Royce Gracie and have trained with Rigan and Roger Machado as well as the Gracies in Torrance.

Predominantly we are Brazilian Jiu-jitsu based and for those that haven't heard of Brazilian Jiu-jitsu check out Royce Gracie on the internet. We are not a Gracie school but use the principle Royce uses which is don't get injured while training. If you are fit to train, you get better so look after you and look after your training partners and get better together.

Any fitness level is OK and no prior knowledge is needed.

We are relaxed and do it for the love of it and to have fun -students and all and we believe in sharing knowledge.

0114-2557763

how much training under Royce exactly?

First started training in 1999 with Royce.

I first started training in 96 under a guy called Brian Graham.

That doesn't tell you much though. In total i've probably not spent more than 20 hours on the mat with him, he's my head of style, but doesn't teach my local club.

So, how much training, once a week, once a month, once a year?

Thanks for the reply, I appreciate it.

I train between 6 and 8 hours a week typically. All this is Brazilian at different clubs around the country as i travel a lot in the week. On a good week I may get 16 hours in.

Its a passion with me, a way of life and the best way I know to make friends.

BJJ has basics that are simple but there are always new refinements and because I train all over the place, every club I train at has its own strengths and are always welcoming.

I do it to keep fit, keep the brain active and hang out with cool like minded people.

How about your self ?

At the moment I only train for 2.5hrs, teach for 1.5 and attend a 5 hr course with similar grades once a month. I would train more but work keeps interfearing.
It's not BJJ that i'm training in, you'd probably consider it to be 'traditional' JJ although we are introducing more groundfighting elements into the syllabus, drawing on both judo and BJJ sources.

cool, well if you want me to come up and share some ground techniques let me know, also i am always willing to learn new stuff thats why I do it. I've trained with the Machados as well in Los Angeles which is very similair to the Gracie method.



Catch you later

Originally posted by jitsu_brasil
Thanks for the reply, I appreciate it.

I train between 6 and 8 hours a week typically. All this is Brazilian at different clubs around the country as i travel a lot in the week. On a good week I may get 16 hours in.

Its a passion with me, a way of life and the best way I know to make friends.

BJJ has basics that are simple but there are always new refinements and because I train all over the place, every club I train at has its own strengths and are always welcoming.

I do it to keep fit, keep the brain active and hang out with cool like minded people.

How about your self ?

Have you trained at any of the clubs in Sheffield, i.e. Gracie Barra at Langsett Rd or the club connected with Castle BBA?

Could either of you reccomend any places to start out? I'm pretty fit but have never fought before. Is Ju-jitsu a good martial art to start on or are others more appropriate?

Originally posted by Davee147
Could either of you reccomend any places to start out? I'm pretty fit but have never fought before. Is Ju-jitsu a good martial art to start on or are others more appropriate?

JuJitsu is as good a place as any to start, mainly in my opinion because it's well-rounded (i.e. it includes punches, kicks, throws, locks, chokes, groundfighting, etc.), however it depends entirely on what you're looking for. i believe from reading some other posts on here that some people find it less accessible for beginners than perhaps kickboxing or muay thai, but i can't really say that's been my experience.

there are quite a few options in sheffield for martial arts/combat sports, including wing chun, boxing, judo, jujitsu, brazilian jujitsu, krav maga, jeet kune do, taekwando, muay thai, kickboxing, tai chi, lau gar kung fu, aikido, and karate (plus a few more that are mentioned in various threads on this forum), and there are also a choice of different clubs around the city.

for me personally, i find the atmosphere of the club and the teaching ability of the instructor (more than the 'fighting' ability, for the want of a better term) particularly important.

there are several instructors who run their own clubs that post on this forum, including cyclone and jitsu_brazil (from this thread), n_tomo (tai chi), davemantis (kung fu) and Jay_kd (jeet kune do), so perhaps they could give you more info.

Thanks for that Anvil.

Davee we run a begineers class Monday night in Brazilian and traditional jiu-jitsu, its a good start and may well be right for you. Give me a call on 0114-2557763. Anvils right about the instruction and how important it is and if it suits you and the only way to find that out is to go have look at the club. With the Monday night session fitness is not a big issue and that will get better where ever you train if its a good club, the key is to do it gradually. Thanks for posting the message.

Any ju jitsu in sheffield. I fancy avin a roll around!

Originally posted by dwhembro
Any ju jitsu in sheffield. I fancy avin a roll around!

u could try reading this thread amongst others. The locations of quite a few clubs have been detailed numerous times.

Originally posted by dwhembro
Any ju jitsu in sheffield. I fancy avin a roll around!

If it's BJJ you're looking for, i can highly recommend the club at Dronfield that is featured in this thread. there's a gradual approach to fitness; the atmosphere is very informal and friendly (not at all cliquey like some other 'friendly' clubs); the instructor(s) are all very helpful and approachable; and the class size is currently very small so there's lots of 1-2-1 instruction. well worth a butcher's IMO...

Could you send me details of where you train and what time please. My email address is phphilz@hotmail.com

Originally posted by phphilz
Could you send me details of where you train and what time please. My email address is phphilz@hotmail.com

Details of the BJJ are listed above, but if you missed them:- Mon @ 8pm, Upper Movement Hall, Henry Fanshaw School, Green Lane, Dronfield. Not to repeat myself too many times, but it is a top club, and i have tried a few :)

I go to jujistu in the 393 club in Hillsborough. Thats quite good, also do Capoeira in a boxing gym near the devonshire cat, thats really good! its a cross between martial arts, gymnastics and dncing, thats the best way I can describe it!

Hi i fancy giving bjj a go but am not from sheffield so i'm not too sure where dronfield is. Where abouts is it in relation to sheff utd football ground please?

Hang on, i've been on multimap and found it, its miles away!

Originally posted by Unzo
Hi i fancy giving bjj a go but am not from sheffield so i'm not too sure where dronfield is. Where abouts is it in relation to sheff utd football ground please?

6.4 miles according to AutoRoute

We don't live to far from Sheffield Utds ground. Give me a call and mybe we can give you a lift and show you where it is.

0114-2557763

i work nights finding it hard to get any training in ju jitsu or grappling in the mornings or afternoons.would try anything as long as time table fits, i work at 5p.m till 3a.m get up at 10a.m. many thanks for any suggestions

:headbang: hi there i'd just like 2 say i train at dronfield also & i help instruced so i may be a little biased but it's a great club &
everyone is great who traines there.thanx alot 2 all the people who have read about us & coming up 2 have a look or train :thumbsup:




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jiu jitsu is chess game use your mind & u can defeat even the strongest opponent:clap:

The are a large variety of clubs in sheffield.

Wicker camp muay thai is very very good if you want to learn striking.

Steve Marsdens BJJ club in dronfield is very friendly, all levels and experiences will be made welcome.