New drugs limits to allow 500 'joints' for personal use
(Filed: 30/11/2005)

People caught by police with up to 500 cannabis joints on them are likely to escape drug dealing charges under new Home Office proposals.

A joint being passed on
4oz of cannabis is enough to roll about 512 'joints'

Charles Clarke, the Home Secretary, revealed the plans to set a "threshold" for the amount of drugs an individual can claim is their own personal "stash".

Setting a formal limit will affect how many people can be prosecuted as drug dealers and how many escape with lesser charges.

A letter from the Home Office's Drugs Legislation and Enforcement Unit revealed the proposed thresholds were: 7 grams of heroin, crack coacaine or cocaine in bulk, 10 Ecstasy tablets, 14 grams of amphetamine, 4oz of cannabis resin and 0.5 kilograms of cannabis leaf.

Four ounces of cannabis is enough to roll about 512 light joints or about 256 strong ones.

The letter also added: "Being in possession of a lower-than-prescribed amount of a controlled drug will not prevent prosecution for the offence of intent to supply if other evidence demonstrates that the defendant had the necessary intent, for example, the possession of dealing paraphernalia or test purchase evidence."

Alistair Carmichael, the Liberal Democrat home affairs spokesman, claimed the proposals will lead to drug dealers being "let off the hook": "Set the limit too low, and you treat all users as dealers. Set it too high, and many dealers will argue that the drugs were for personal use."

Cheryl Gillan, the shadow home affairs minister, said: "We can expect to see [drug dealers] carry around just less than the prescribed amount so that if they get caught, they will have a powerful case that it is only for their personal use."


from the Telegraph.

what Madness. 10 Es :confused: is equivilent to 4 oz of cannabis :confused:

a normal person could get through 10 pills in 2 nights. So 11 pills is dealing but 7 grams og coke isn't?

1/10 that whoever came up with these joke figures had a relative who died on Es :loopy:

10 pills in 2 nights?? ur taking it a bit steady there ;)

(im only messing people-ok!!)

But anything more than 2g of coke should be classed as dealing surely!!!!!

They are WAY out on them!!

I am so disgusted at these proposals

what can you do

protest,speak your mind...like they listen to you.

lets legalise dealing ( this is what these changes mean) that way we dont have to look at the massive problems drugs cause.

i am so angry at the thought...best shut up and calm down

It certainly needed doing though, i knew someone who was accused of dealing by the police with 3 pills on him??

0.5kg of cannabis leaf? thats including cannabis buds? thats what..
16oz of cannabis before getting done for dealing
HAHA

i love this country :S

This needed to be done AGES ago! The amount of money spent on prosecuting individuals who are being prosecuted for dealing when they were only using the drugs for their personal use was ridiculous. The Jails being filled with people who were just caught in possession of a substance? Isn't that a bit hasty and a waste of jail space which could be used to house serious criminals? Rather than slamming them into jail for just having a bit of blow on them. Maybe this is a move closer to offering help to people who have drug problems rather than throwing them in jail.

As for the amounts:

7 grams of heroin, crack cocaine or cocaine in bulk
7 grams isn't that much, a user would quite easily get through that in a week.

10 ecstasy tablets
Ecstasy used to be much stronger; since the research on the drug was done it has become much weaker. The 10 tablets figure is probably that because at one point a user would only need 1 tablet.

14 grams of amphetamine
Again a user could quite easily get through this in a week.

4oz of cannabis resin and 0.5 kilograms of cannabis leaf.
A user would be seriously stoned if he smoked 4oz a week, I'd take my hat off to him. Cannabis is often bought in Kilo's, 9's (9 ounces) or half bars (4.5) for cheaper purchase.

All in all the proposals are probably based on what a drug user may collect when he or she goes to score. This is greatly different from what a dealer would collect.

1g a day of coke - thats not a user- thats a total addict!!!

Originally posted by scottf
1g a day of coke - thats not a user- thats a total addict!!!

You never heard of sharing you tight git?

my main issue would be the disparity.

you have to have one hell of a pot smoking unemployed/student house to get through that amount of resin in a week.

7 gs of coke will set you back, what 250 quid

10 pills. 20-30 quid.

seems daft

if you buy pills they are so cheap that you buy in fairly high amounts as it is pointless buying 5 and then going back a day later for another 5.

I think the levels are absolutley silly

Originally posted by J-Blaze
You never heard of sharing you tight git?

Which is technically dealing;).

Originally posted by robbie
New drugs limits to allow 500 'joints' for personal use
(Filed: 30/11/2005)

People caught by police with up to 500 cannabis joints on them are likely to escape drug dealing charges under new Home Office proposals.

Surely if you are carrying round 500 joints you are not going to smoke them all yourself and unless you have a hell of a lot of mates they aren't for a party.

wouldn't it be easier to legalise it all, tax it, inspect it for quality etc....

If you read the proposels properly they state that when any individual is caught with these amounts of drugs the courts MUST find them guilty of possion with intent to supply and not guilty of a lesser charge. Which means a prison term upto life for class a drugs such as cocaine and ectacsy.

If any individual is caught with amounts below stated nothing has changed, it is still up the courts judgement if they are guilty of intent to supply.

So nothing much will have changed, apart from making any potential punishments clearer.

Originally posted by J-Blaze
You never heard of sharing you tight git?


depends what time it is :hihi: