http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-12751126

Since when has denouncing Islam been grounds for staying? if he has been refused permission to stay then what gorunds is he basing his legal challenge to stay for?

this is not an anti immigration rant before anyone jumps on, i saw some people outside town hall yesterday with some banners so thought i woudl have a look. Its reported that his defence is that he wouldn't be safe because he has denounced Islam.

How is that dangerous and whats to stop him re-embracing it?

I wonder how much his legal bill has cost us :(

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-12751126

Since when has denouncing Islam been grounds for staying? if he has been refused permission to stay then what gorunds is he basing his legal challenge to stay for?

this is not an anti immigration rant before anyone jumps on, i saw some people outside town hall yesterday with some banners so thought i woudl have a look. Its reported that his defence is that he wouldn't be safe because he has denounced Islam.

How is that dangerous and whats to stop him re-embracing it?they interviewed someone on another news channel who said the lad has no ties with afghanistan, he couldnt remember living there, he has no family there & would effectively be an orphan in a foreign land or summat, hence the judges decision

His parents were afghani illegal immigrants living in Iran.

What ties does he have with England then? He was an orphan in a foreign land when he arrived. we fulfilled our duty by caring for a minor and now he has failed in his application to stay so his defence is now that he has denounced Islam and woudl be at risK?

How is that dangerous and whats to stop him re-embracing it?

It's dangerous in many parts of the world, where extremists will hunt down and kill anyone who denounces Islam.

As to what is to stop him re-embracing it; I don't think forcing a religion on somebody has ever been part of the British way of life.

I dont think the extremists scour the Sheffield Star to see who has said what about whom? There are "extremists" here who could hunt him down and kill him so why is he safe here especially since he is getting the publicity?

If he keeps himself to himself then no-one would even know.

I wasn't insinuating that we forced anything on him, my point was, what is to stop him deciding to re-embrace the faith (or any other faith for that matter), say hmmmmm after the Human rights courts allow him to stay in the country?

His parents were afghani illegal immigrants living in Iran.

What ties does he have with England then? He was an orphan in a foreign land when he arrived. we fulfilled our duty by caring for a minor and now he has failed in his application to stay so his defence is now that he has denounced Islam and woudl be at risK?im not sure of the full story but from the bit i saw he was adopted by a british family & brought up as though he was british

im not sure of the full story but from the bit i saw he was adopted by a british family & brought up as though he was british

Quote from BBC website

"Mr Yosefi has claimed he grew up in Iran as the son of illegal Afghan refugees, before fleeing to the UK.

He said he arrived as an asylum seeker when he was 16, after a seven-month journey.

As a minor he was looked after by social services in Sheffield but once he turned 18 he was refused permission to remain indefinitely."

2 years as a minor is NOT "brought up as though he was british" its 24 months and his legal team has spent another 24 months trying to block the refused application.

Maybe he's looking for a job in the right-wing media? 'Fallen' Muslims are the darlings of that lot.

x

wait, seriously?

we're making people denounce their religions again?
isn't that kind of medieval?

Quote from BBC website

"Mr Yosefi has claimed he grew up in Iran as the son of illegal Afghan refugees, before fleeing to the UK.

He said he arrived as an asylum seeker when he was 16, after a seven-month journey.

As a minor he was looked after by social services in Sheffield but once he turned 18 he was refused permission to remain indefinitely."

2 years as a minor is NOT "brought up as though he was british" its 24 months and his legal team has spent another 24 months trying to block the refused application.who was the woman on the news then claiming she took him in & adopted him?:huh: sounds like theyre twisting the story to let him stay here permanently

wait, seriously?

we're making people denounce their religions again?
isn't that kind of medieval?

What? have you read the posts or thread?
His legal team has said that he is at risk because HE has denounced his faith. Noone else

noone made him denounce Islam, the male involved has made his Asylum application to stay in the UK on the grounds he has denounced Islam and therefore he may be in danger in returning to Afghanistan/Iran. The grounds of his application are his own choice.

who was the woman on the news then claiming she took him in & adopted him?:huh: sounds like theyre twisting the story to let him stay here permanently

no idea who she was

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-12751126

Since when has denouncing Islam been grounds for staying? if he has been refused permission to stay then what gorunds is he basing his legal challenge to stay for?

this is not an anti immigration rant before anyone jumps on, i saw some people outside town hall yesterday with some banners so thought i woudl have a look. Its reported that his defence is that he wouldn't be safe because he has denounced Islam.

How is that dangerous and whats to stop him re-embracing it?

I think the young girl campaigner that appeared on tv is his girl friend ..of course she wants him to stay ! doesnt belong here .

What? have you read the posts or thread?
His legal team has said that he is at risk because HE has denounced his faith. Noone else

hahahah i admit no i didnt read the thing, may have slightly jumped to a conclusion or two, mah bad

Oops the thread above mine didn't show when I posted mine!

I wonder how much his legal bill has cost us :(

Not cost him anything.

Seven month journey to get here. How many safe countries did he pass through I wonder?

Seven month journey to get here. How many safe countries did he pass through I wonder?

This is what makes it complete and total rubbish. If he really was fleeing the country because of a danger posed to himself then he surely would have stayed in the nearest safe place. But no, he has travelled 7 months with the full intent of getting to Britain and staying here where he would be afforded an easy ride.

Plus, possibly, maybe being in danger of being attacked because of your religious views should not be a reason to grant someone asylum. There are plenty of countries where people have the possibility of being attacked for various reasons on a daily basis but we can't just relocate them all to democratic western countries

Not cost him anything.

I know :roll:

I dont think the extremists scour the Sheffield Star to see who has said what about whom? There are "extremists" here who could hunt him down and kill him so why is he safe here especially since he is getting the publicity?

If he keeps himself to himself then no-one would even know.

I wasn't insinuating that we forced anything on him, my point was, what is to stop him deciding to re-embrace the faith (or any other faith for that matter), say hmmmmm after the Human rights courts allow him to stay in the country?

A bad and wrong decision !by this southern based judge quote(Mr Yosefi has claimed he grew up in Iran as the son of illegal Afghan refugees, before fleeing to the UK.Nice here isnt it free handouts ! civilised country!what more could you want!

This is very far from the truth. His family left Arghanistan because they were an ethnic minority which I believe is not actually islamic. The Taliban at the time were systematically wiping out his people from the surface of the planet. The area his people came from is still under Taliban control. As an ethnic minority who doesn't know the culture of the country, and has no support in the country he is unlikely to last there very long.

This is very far from the truth. His family left Arghanistan because they were an ethnic minority which I believe is not actually islamic. The Taliban at the time were systematically wiping out his people from the surface of the planet. The area his people came from is still under Taliban control. As an ethnic minority who doesn't know the culture of the country, and has no support in the country he is unlikely to last there very long.

Young British men and women are going out there risking their lives fighting the evil that is The Taliban, whilst their young men of fighting age are coming in the opposite direction for a nice life in the UK. Shouldn't he join the Afghan National Army to fight the Taliban?

To arrive in the U.K. all refugees must pass through several safe European countrys so it is not possible for them to be in a life threatening situation as they have travelled through safe countrys so they are economic migrants and each one makes their own choice to try and get to the easiest country to gain asylum. If this carrys on at the present rate in two to three generations time there will be more asylum seekers than indigenous people making up the population of this country.

but has he applied for his free bus pass yet ?

but has he applied for his free bus pass yet ?

We pay for a team to do that for him.

wait, seriously?

we're making people denounce their religions again?
isn't that kind of medieval?who is making anyone denounce their religion ?
the way i read it is he doesnt fit the criteria to be allowed citizenship,so has to be deported , no big deal really ,thousands of illegals are in the same boat,the fact that he worships another god other than the indiginous people here has no bearing on the case,the rules are set out and he doesnt fit the exempt law, if he had said he was homosexual he would have stood a better chance of staying,but to just say he denounces his religion seems a little weak as an excuse for dodging immigration laws

Young British men and women are going out there risking their lives fighting the evil that is The Taliban, whilst their young men of fighting age are coming in the opposite direction for a nice life in the UK. Shouldn't he join the Afghan National Army to fight the Taliban?

He has never lived in Afghanistan so he didn't leave it. I tell you what why don't you all get out your guns and shoot all asylum seekers at least then they wouldn't have to go through the torture they will get when you heartless people send them back to an unsafe country?

He didn't come for an easy life, he came to escape torture and death. He wasn't in a safe country in Iran either. Apparently you think his parents should have stayed in Afghansistan where the Taliban would have killed them and not quickly either. At least that way they wouldn't have had children.

The percentage of immigrants is a small percentage of our population. We are not being swamped despite BNP saying we are. Surely we can offer asylum to one young lad who has had a pretty awful childhood? Shouldn't we be looking at each case on its merits rather than looking at the colour of a persons skin and condeming them to certain death?

What people don't seem to realise is that this foreign-guy-having-trouble-in his-homeland isn't exactly totally a unique situation. By letting this guy stay, we, in effect, made it impossible to not allow any of the other thousands of people in unstable countries to be here.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-12751126

Since when has denouncing Islam been grounds for staying? if he has been refused permission to stay then what gorunds is he basing his legal challenge to stay for?

this is not an anti immigration rant before anyone jumps on, i saw some people outside town hall yesterday with some banners so thought i woudl have a look. Its reported that his defence is that he wouldn't be safe because he has denounced Islam.

How is that dangerous and whats to stop him re-embracing it?
i read about this story last week, what i read about it it wasnt about islam.

he was being deported to afganistan, hes NEVER been to afganistan, why should he be deported to someplace hes never been?
the only place he knows really is england, its where he knows best and his friends are

He has never lived in Afghanistan so he didn't leave it. I tell you what why don't you all get out your guns and shoot all asylum seekers at least then they wouldn't have to go through the torture they will get when you heartless people send them back to an unsafe country?

He didn't come for an easy life, he came to escape torture and death. He wasn't in a safe country in Iran either. Apparently you think his parents should have stayed in Afghansistan where the Taliban would have killed them and not quickly either. At least that way they wouldn't have had children.

?i think you may find that we,unlike the taliban dont solve our problems by killing them,the laws we use are set by the united nations,every civilised country follows them and i would add that we didnt make afghanistan an unsafe country,they did it all by themselves

its funny no matter who the person is the reason theyre here or allowed to stay theres the same old people that are up in arms.
just the stigma of the words "asylum seeker"

like some one said its crazy the nice clean safe / sunny lots of jobs ect countrys they pass throu to get here ?

if I was fleeing war or danger any country would do on the way here...but they know none of those countrys will give them free money ,homes, health, care, legal fee,s , education , cars, ect ect ect the list go,s on

http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/941979/2/istockphoto_941979-no-vacancies.jpg

I saw this programme. As I understand it this lad has never lived in Afghanistan, doesn't speak the language and knows no one there. Why would anyone ever think of sending him there! It's ridiculous.

He sounds intelligent and articulate and I think he should be allowed to stay because I believe that he'll give a lot more to this country than many of the "gimme gimme" youngsters I see on my estate every day.

he never lived or was born in the uk not sure if he speaks out lang and he made new friends and family here . sure he can do the same there .

so your argument holds no water ?

he never lived or was born in the uk not sure if he speaks out lang and he made new friends and family here . sure he can do the same there .

so your argument holds no water ?

Oh the irony.

I saw this programme. As I understand it this lad has never lived in Afghanistan, doesn't speak the language and knows no one there. Why would anyone ever think of sending him there! It's ridiculous.

He sounds intelligent and articulate and I think he should be allowed to stay because I believe that he'll give a lot more to this country than many of the "gimme gimme" youngsters I see on my estate every day.
finally, somebody using logic, thinking and understanding :P

oh and the english language :P

i read about this story last week, what i read about it it wasnt about islam.

he was being deported to afganistan, hes NEVER been to afganistan, why should he be deported to someplace hes never been?
the only place he knows really is england, its where he knows best and his friends are

England is not the only place he knows as he as only been around 3/4 years about 20% of his life and he travelled through quite a few safe countrys to get hear and he had never been to England before. If he can come to a country to which he as never been to claim asylum how is that different to him being deported to a country he as never been to.

how ignorant and small minded you are!
so in your mind only asylum seekers are bad drivers or cause road accidents ..i think not!

He has no family in Afghanistan... to deport him there would be cruel, surely? He's not part of their culture and has nobody there to help him.

He is here because we accept asylum seekers here like many developed countries. He doesn't need any specific ties to stay here if we offer asylum.

i read about this story last week, what i read about it it wasnt about islam.

he was being deported to afganistan, hes NEVER been to afganistan, why should he be deported to someplace hes never been?
the only place he knows really is england, its where he knows best and his friends are

he really knows england...how old is he...cannot blame him...iran...afghanistan or good old england.....no wonder he travelled for seven months to get his free lunch for life.....people like him are just playing the system...no different to the tax dodging bankers....send him to iran...the climates better...

Young British men and women are going out there risking their lives fighting the evil that is The Taliban, whilst their young men of fighting age are coming in the opposite direction for a nice life in the UK. Shouldn't he join the Afghan National Army to fight the Taliban?


why fight...when you can get a nice living in good old england.....everyone wants to come here....all the dregs of the world head here....for a nice freebie...

I contrinute a considerable amount of tax each month and am against illegals...

However I believe that there are thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of people who deserve to go back before this young lad.

I cannot understand how anyone could think it humane to send back a young guy to a country he has never even lived in on the basis his parents lived there.

You use the argument that our young lads are their fighting and dying but would you put one of our westernised young guys in afghan without their regiment, without their guns and without their backup. They would die within days, something you are happy to see happen to a young 20 year old! why? because his parents once lived there!!

He is not an Afghan he is a young man who's parents fled to save his life. Why is it ok that as a 16 year old he is welcome but at 18 he must leave!

The people who live in Afgan, Iran, Africa and other countries who come here to take advantage of our system are far worse.

This was a young lad with minimal choices and to send him back to death, i think you are all very messed up people.

oh and for the record I have never met this person or anyone who knows him!!

I contrinute a considerable amount of tax each month and am against illegals...

However I believe that there are thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of people who deserve to go back before this young lad.

I cannot understand how anyone could think it humane to send back a young guy to a country he has never even lived in on the basis his parents lived there.

You use the argument that our young lads are their fighting and dying but would you put one of our westernised young guys in afghan without their regiment, without their guns and without their backup. They would die within days, something you are happy to see happen to a young 20 year old! why? because his parents once lived there!!



He is not an Afghan he is a young man who's parents fled to save his life. Why is it ok that as a 16 year old he is welcome but at 18 he must leave!

The people who live in Afgan, Iran, Africa and other countries who come here to take advantage of our system are far worse.

This was a young lad with minimal choices and to send him back to death, i think you are all very messed up people.

oh and for the record I have never met this person or anyone who knows him!!

How many safe European countrys would you say he travelled through to get to the U.K. so in my opinion he had several choices but chose the one which would take the longest time and furthest away to get to which would make his decision a very calculated one for a 16 year old.

How many safe European countrys would you say he travelled through to get to the U.K. so in my opinion he had several choices but chose the one which would take the longest time and furthest away to get to which would make his decision a very calculated one for a 16 year old.

But was it his choice ?

Question.. do you think he should be sent back to Afghanistan?

How many safe European countrys would you say he travelled through to get to the U.K.

That sounds like a good question for a pub quiz. I'd say five countries.

But was it his choice ?

Question.. do you think he should be sent back to Afghanistan?


yes they say its nice this time of year.....he'll hate it here, weathers not very good...and the footballs rubbish...

But was it his choice ?

Question.. do you think he should be sent back to Afghanistan?

Not if he is able to provide a very good reason as to why he travelled right across Europe to get here. I think that the criteria for all asylum seekers should be why they travel through other safe countrys to gain access to the one of their choice and if they are unable to then they should be deported.

I hope he stays and becomes a hard working tax paying citizen like most of us.It is unfair to send him to Afganistan or Iran.

How many safe European countrys would you say he travelled through to get to the U.K. so in my opinion he had several choices but chose the one which would take the longest time and furthest away to get to which would make his decision a very calculated one for a 16 year old.

Why does that matter though? They aren't the rules.... it doesn't matter where he has passed. We let him in 2 years ago, we offer asylum in this country - there wasn't anything unlawful about this; so what's wrong with him all of a sudden?

Bout time we worried about our own people for a change, look at the mess Britain is in, Massive unemployment the lot.
Things have got bad too quick...

Sorry for being so ignorant here but why did he leave his parents in the first place? They had fled afghanistan.......or so I believe....and become illegal immigrants in Iran. So why did a "boy" decide to leave his parents who were supposedly looking after him, and choose to spend 7 months travelling the globe in order to get here?

I would also like to know how on earth a legal adoption of an asylum seeker was able to happen?? Please correct me if I'm wrong but I did read that he'd been adopted by a Sheffield couple. How???

I do feel sorry for the lad but to be honest his problems were originally created by his parents and surely that should be down to them and not us?
In an ideal world we would take onboard millions of kids who have had a rough deal through no fault of their own......but where do we draw the line?

This particular lad isn't behind the door because if he was then he wouldn't have had the gumption to get here in the first place. Maybe he had help to get here and maybe if he's allowed to stop here then it won't be long before his parents and the rest of his (suddenly extended) family arrive on the doorstep as well.

The UK has been placed in a horrible position of either letting all and sundry in or being faced with being called racist etc. I honestly feel that our good nature is being tested beyond breaking point and it isn't fair.

Sorry for being so ignorant here but why did he leave his parents in the first place? They had fled afghanistan.......or so I believe....and become illegal immigrants in Iran. So why did a "boy" decide to leave his parents who were supposedly looking after him, and choose to spend 7 months travelling the globe in order to get here?

I would also like to know how on earth a legal adoption of an asylum seeker was able to happen?? Please correct me if I'm wrong but I did read that he'd been adopted by a Sheffield couple. How???

I do feel sorry for the lad but to be honest his problems were originally created by his parents and surely that should be down to them and not us?
In an ideal world we would take onboard millions of kids who have had a rough deal through no fault of their own......but where do we draw the line?

This particular lad isn't behind the door because if he was then he wouldn't have had the gumption to get here in the first place. Maybe he had help to get here and maybe if he's allowed to stop here then it won't be long before his parents and the rest of his (suddenly extended) family arrive on the doorstep as well.

The UK has been placed in a horrible position of either letting all and sundry in or being faced with being called racist etc. I honestly feel that our good nature is being tested beyond breaking point and it isn't fair.

adopted by an english couple...whats up with adopting english kids...or is there more money in picking an exiled afghan/iranian asylum seeker...

just for once please let common sense prevail and send him back to the first 'safe' country he passed thru on his way here, we've got enough problems of our own without taking any more on, when does the gravy train end for this filth ? but then we are the dumping ground for the worlds trash aren't we ? :mad:

just for once please let common sense prevail and send him back to the first 'safe' country he passed thru on his way here, we've got enough problems of our own without taking any more on, when does the gravy train end for this filth ? but then we are the dumping ground for the worlds trash aren't we ? :mad:

Good luck to him, he seems like a nice kid unlike some of the filth and trash that post on here.

just for once please let common sense prevail and send him back to the first 'safe' country he passed thru on his way here, we've got enough problems of our own without taking any more on, when does the gravy train end for this filth ? but then we are the dumping ground for the worlds trash aren't we ? :mad:

So all refugees are trash? This is really what it is about. Just pure racism. We are part of the international community and as such have always agreed to let in genuine asylumn seekers. Present behaviour by this government and the last has resulted in many people being returned to their country of origin despite their claims being genuine. These people have been tortured and killed on their return. This is well documented.

Iran where the lad was born is not a safe place. I am not even sure that we have diplomatic relations with this country. He was not born in Afghanistan. Any relations he might have had are long since dead thanks to the Taliban. If the country is so safe in any case then why have we got troops there?

This Lad who is asking for asylum by all accounts is a decent hard working lad with a huge number of friends so hardly scum. His race in Afghanistan is being wiped out. If he was a Tiger facing extinction everyone would be raising funds for him.

So all refugees are trash? This is really what it is about. Just pure racism.

This Lad who is asking for asylum by all accounts is a decent hard working lad with a huge number of friends so hardly scum. His race in Afghanistan is being wiped out. If he was a Tiger facing extinction everyone would be raising funds for him.


Well said Duckweed. I thoroughly agree. Let the lad stay.

This is very far from the truth. His family left Arghanistan because they were an ethnic minority which I believe is not actually islamic. The Taliban at the time were systematically wiping out his people from the surface of the planet. The area his people came from is still under Taliban control. As an ethnic minority who doesn't know the culture of the country, and has no support in the country he is unlikely to last there very long.
Where is your basis for his family being from an ethnic minority who arent islamic. He is basing his claim on him denouncing Islam, nothing about his family (who he hasnt seen for 5 years). Again i come back to the fact that i dont go around with a sandwich board showing my faith, who would know?

He has never lived in Afghanistan so he didn't leave it. ?
Correct, he lived illegally in Iran and is not recognised by that country so the deportation will be back to his homeland following his failed application, that is why he was to be sent there.

I tell you what why don't you all get out your guns and shoot all asylum seekers at least then they wouldn't have to go through the torture they will get when you heartless people send them back to an unsafe country? ?

He wouldnt have to live in an unsafe area. Again this thread which was about trying to have a debate about why the person who has failed twice in application to stay permanently has been reprieved by the European court of human rights on the argument that he has denounced his faith. Its nothing to do with the forum memebers. The UK government has reviewed his application and rejected it (as it does with thousands a year) so why can he stay for the reasons given. THAT was the original basis of the post so to bring it down with your "shoot all asylum speakers" is not really what this thread is about.

He didn't come for an easy life, he came to escape torture and death. He wasn't in a safe country in Iran either. Apparently you think his parents should have stayed in Afghansistan where the Taliban would have killed them and not quickly either. ?

Not at all -How do you know he wasnt safe in Iran.His family thought is was safe enough to spend 15 years there without moving on to a different country. There is no reported reason why his family moved to Iran. If you can find evidence as to his personal persecution then i would accept it. I would assume that his parents are still living in the same "unsafe" country. This that is a hypothetical assumption but no less based on fact then yours about the Taliban killing them. if he had always lived in Iran then they had 15 years to kill them before he left didnt they?


. Surely we can offer asylum to one young lad who has had a pretty awful childhood? Shouldn't we be looking at each case on its merits rather than looking at the colour of a persons skin and condeming them to certain death?

Where is your proof of a "CERTAIN DEATH!" Its got jack all to do with the persons colour. Thousands of applications are rejected each year, do all of those die?

Here's your facts (read merits) Duckweed of the case instead of emotional ranting

We (the UK) offered asylum to him when he arrived at the age of 16 (2 years before his appplication failed)
The UK gave him asylum as we are obliged to until the age of 18 when he applied for permanent residency. This application was rejected. Nothing to do with his colour, everything to do with the personal merits of his application which were not deemed by the state to warrant staying on his case.
His lawyers won him a reprieve and a re-application, this also failed and he was moved to a dentention centre awaiting deportation.
The european court demanded that the case be halted because he is now claiming that he has denounced Islam and would not be safe. (if this was the case previously, why wasnt it highlighted when he originally failed)

i read about this story last week, what i read about it it wasnt about islam.

Yes it is, his lawyers are using his denouncing of the faith as his argument to stay in the uk. No other reason


he was being deported to afganistan, hes NEVER been to afganistan, why should he be deported to someplace hes never been?
the only place he knows really is england, its where he knows best and his friends are

So 15 years in Iran compared with 2 years in England (time in england till his application was refuseds) and England is the only place he knows? He's been deported to Afghanistan as that is his nationality due to him been an illegal immigrant originally living in Iran of Afghan heritage.

its funny no matter who the person is the reason theyre here or allowed to stay theres the same old people that are up in arms.
just the stigma of the words "asylum seeker"

Disagree - the person has had his application refused by the UK government which is the system in place so why change it for one person becuase they have said its now unsafe due to his statement about Islam. That was the OP statement, nothing to do with Asylum seekers, everything to do with a failed application that is been dragged out to the European courts on grounds which appear strange.

Well said Duckweed. I thoroughly agree. Let the lad stay.

On what grounds? he put his application in to the state, it was rejected (as approx 70000 are in a year) so why change it? would you let all the others stay?

how ignorant and small minded you are!
so in your mind only asylum seekers are bad drivers or cause road accidents ..i think not!
What on earth had that got to do with the discussion.?

He has no family in Afghanistan... to deport him there would be cruel, surely? He's not part of their culture and has nobody there to help him.

He is here because we accept asylum seekers here like many developed countries. He doesn't need any specific ties to stay here if we offer asylum.

We offered him asylum when he arrived, the system then said he must apply when he reached 18, he applied, it was rejected.

The system states he should be deported to his homeland which is Afghanistan due to his parents heritage as he is not acknowledged by Iran(where i assume he was born) due to his parents been illegal immigrants there.

Cruel? maybe but the due process has been followed correctly by the UK government. People are happy when it works in their favour but occassionally it doesnt.

He presented his case, it was rejected by the state.

I have nothing personal against this person but the thread was orignally about his lawyers going to a European court on grounds to overrule the UK courts.

But was it his choice ?

Question.. do you think he should be sent back to Afghanistan?

If it wasnt his choice then who's was it.

What we think is immaterial, the governement is following the procedures laid down in law.

its funny no matter who the person is the reason theyre here or allowed to stay theres the same old people that are up in arms.
just the stigma of the words "asylum seeker"

In International law a person fleeing for their safety are entitled to refuge in the FIRST safe country so all these people who come to the U.K. are NOT refugees or genuine asylum seekers they are economic migrants who are trying to get the best deal that they can for they future. People who do this have no right to stay in this country when they are refused leave to stay other wise we could have 30 or 40 million Japanese people who would have a far better case to stay here coming over and our island does not have the infrastructure to cope as we will soon be the most densely populated country on earth. There may be solution to this situation if they were able to be sponsored by a U.K. citizen who would pay a bond and guarantee that they would provide everything these economic migrants require for the first 5 years of their stay here.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-12751126

Since when has denouncing Islam been grounds for staying? if he has been refused permission to stay then what gorunds is he basing his legal challenge to stay for?

this is not an anti immigration rant before anyone jumps on, i saw some people outside town hall yesterday with some banners so thought i woudl have a look. Its reported that his defence is that he wouldn't be safe because he has denounced Islam.

How is that dangerous and whats to stop him re-embracing it?









does this person work or will i and thousands of others be keeping him as per usual, send em all back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What on earth had that got to do with the discussion.?

i was referring to the post about hanging him based on the fact that the poster had been run over by an asylum seeker! that post has now mysteriously disapeared making mine seem rather random :huh:

It was mentioned in the news papers, that he had no friends-- relations or knew anyone in the countrys mentioned. One of the reasons he cound't return.

DID HE HAVE ANY OF THE ABOVE HERE???.

i was referring to the post about hanging him based on the fact that the poster had been run over by an asylum seeker! that post has now mysteriously disapeared making mine seem rather random :huh:

Ah i see now - apologies

I think the mods have tried to keep this one on topic by getting rid of some of the more moronic replies