I’ve heard of a few people, upon seeing other motorists speaking on their phones whilst driving, beeping their horns at them to make them put it down. And if they don’t, then the person on the other end should be concerned and TELL them to put it down.

I’ve seen lots of bad driving over the past few years with the influx of people speaking on their phones.

Just yesterday on Moor Street roundabout at the evening rush hour, I approached from St Mary’s Gate in the middle lane with the intention of going straight on, up to university roundabout then follow the tram down towards shalesmoor. There was a huge black 4x4 (a bmw I think) in the right lane and a female driver on her phone. She had a car seat in the back with a baby in it. We set off together and before I could leave the roundabout, she cut across in front of me into my exit lane, almost took the front of my car off (I had to brake hard to stop her hitting me) and then swerved over into the left lane. All of this done on her phone. The traffic approaching university roundabout was backed up as always and I eventually drew level with her. Her window was open so I rolled down the passenger window to giver her a piece of my mind. I got no more than 2 words out when she stuck up 2 fingers at me, told me to ***** off and rolled up her window to finish her conversation. I had my 5 week old daughter in the back of my small car. The motorist obviously didn’t care, as a crash would have seen my car and passengers much worse off than hers.

I just could not believe my eyes!

So, if I held my hand down on my horn, would she have eventually put it down due to the noise? It’s an interesting concept.

Would you not worry that you were going to cause an accident by further distracting the offending driver when a minor bit of bad driving might have been the only result otherwise?

I have seen this woman doing EXACTLY the same thing - she nearly knocked me off the bike

You are right, it is a BMW (B itchey M enopausal W oman)

If I spot her again I will get her reg number and report her - she is a danger to everyone - including the child in the back.

Or said driner getting out & beating the living daylights out of you!

On Mythbusters they did an experiment which showed that talking on your mobile reduced your ability to drive more than being drunk.

Originally posted by Carmine
Would you not worry that you were going to cause an accident by further distracting the offending driver when a minor bit of bad driving might have been the only result otherwise?

Erm, I think you're missing the point.

Originally posted by Tintsexpert
Or said driner getting out & beating the living daylights out of you!
Ah, now that's an issue that gets my goat.

I once heard a tw*t of a motorist joke that he'd seen a fellow driver get out and lamp a pedestrian at a crossing after the pedestrian kicked the wing of his car.

The sad fact was that the driver had gone through the lights at red and only missed hitting the pedestrian's children by a few inches.

******.

Originally posted by mullers
Erm, I think you're missing the point.
How?

Instead of concentrating on other road users i would suggest concentrating on the road infront of you- people who do use them while driving will get whats coming to them eventually and if they have an accident then they will get hammered by the law- its not your place to tell them and you could be endangering other road users by using your horn!

OK Carmine, I'll spell it out to you.

Speaking on your mobile phone whilst driving is illegal, and illegal for a good reason. They shouldn't be on their phones in the first place. People are already beeping at them anyway because of "a minor bit of bad driving" as you put it, already forces other road users into dangerous situations.

I seriously have concerns for your empathy towards other road users if you think that almost crashing into my car with a young baby on board is "a minor bit of bad driving".

Read, digest, reply.

Once had a gang of lads pull out on me when i as on my enduro, laughing and sticking the finger up, stopped laughing when his wing mirror was sent in to oblivion! together with the full "racing stipe down every panel as i "took avaisive action" with alpine star enduro boot. Put up quite a good chase too, till we ran in to a mate of mine in his shiney new volvo estate car!!! complete with flashing lights camera and horns. Oh justice is sweet. (or is that revenge?)

Originally posted by scottf
Instead of concentrating on other road users i would suggest concentrating on the road infront of you- people who do use them while driving will get whats coming to them eventually and if they have an accident then they will get hammered by the law- its not your place to tell them and you could be endangering other road users by using your horn!

Just playing devils advocate, do you not think that your horn is there as a warning to other motorists? Would you not beep at somebody who is driving dangerously and putting your life at risk?

Originally posted by mullers
Just playing devils advocate, do you not think that your horn is there as a warning to other motorists? Would you not beep at somebody who is driving dangerously and putting your life at risk?

yes, course i would but holding your horn down constantly isn't going to make someone put the phone down is it?

Apparantly it does. Like I put in the 1st post, the person on the other end will be concerned also. The motorist wont be able to hear them very well with a blast going on at the side of them.

Originally posted by mullers
OK Carmine, I'll spell it out to you.

Speaking on your mobile phone whilst driving is illegal, and illegal for a good reason. They shouldn't be on their phones in the first place. People are already beeping at them anyway because of "a minor bit of bad driving" as you put it, already forces other road users into dangerous situations.

I seriously have concerns for your empathy towards other road users if you think that almost crashing into my car with a young baby on board is "a minor bit of bad driving".

Read, digest, reply.
I fully digested the comment with which you started this thread and then responded with a comment based on the thoughts that your actions provoked in my mind.

There are probably people on this forum that would say I'm very much "down" on motorists that break the law in this way and they'd be right as I see most as spoilt brats ready to break rules that were put in place for the safety of all just for their own convenience.

But when I think of the idea of motorists sounding their horns when they see such infractions taking place I just can't help but feel that this would make the problem a whole lot worse as there's no way to be certain that the offending motorist would even realise that the horn was being sounded to get at them.

Other motorists might have no line of sight and how do you react to another driver sounding their horn for no percievable reason?

Just because I take a stance that differs to yours does not mean that I have missed the point.

If you don't want debate and a sharing of viewpoints then I'd suggest you post on a personal blog rather than on a forum with almost 20,000 users.

And just to be clear: Motorists who use mobile without a handsfree kit whilst driving are ars*holes.

i just think that you could be putting other road users at risk too,

as i said- if she does that all the time she will either be a)caught by the police or b)have an accident and be liable!!

We can't all go around holding our horns down cos someone drives like a pillock- it would sound like the streets of new york.

I think it is about time one of them went to gaol. I can't help thinking that we are seeing more and more drivers on their mobiles as each week passes. I think one or two of them should be gaoled before someone is killed. Last week I was overtaken on a dual carriageway by someone towing a trailer doing well over 90 (I was doing 70 and they flew past me) and they were talking on the phone. Surely we all agree that someone who does such a thing is an accident waiting to happen and should be given a short sharp shock that is also a deterent to other idiots before someone is killed.

Beeping your horn is not there to tell motorists to come of their mobile phone.
By doing so you'd be entitled to the full extent of the law as the motorist would. Which includes points on your licence.

At the end of the day people shouldn't do it.
I'm not saying I haven't done it, nor am I saying I wouldn't do it again... but I whole heartedly admit it shouldn't be done.

Now you are not the police. You can report the driver till you're blue in the face, unless the police are there at the time to see it, no charges will be brought.
You're risking some idiot driver either hearing the noise and getting more distracted thus causing an accident or them getting out of their car and shutting you up personally.

Now it's a sad fact of life but people can and will do this. At the end of the day if they don't care they're on the phone, they're hardly going to care if they give you a slap for your troubles.

Just a thought.

Your original reply, Carmine, sounded like it was coming from a hot-headed response of either a 4x4 driver or a mobile phone user.

What I'm doing here is putting a discussion forward. Nothing more. I'm not saying i condone this action although I do think that motirists on their mobiles are causing sensible drivers a real problem and something needs to be done.

With regards to "Other motorists might have no line of sight and how do you react to another driver sounding their horn for no percievable reason?", so you're telling me that everytime you hear a horn being beeped on the road that you know where its coming from and why it was done? Of course not. Do you suddenly swerve off the road and hit a pedestrian when you hear a horn? Of course you don't.

Originally posted by DaBouncer
Beeping your horn is not there to tell motorists to come of their mobile phone.
By doing so you'd be entitled to the full extent of the law as the motorist would. Which includes points on your licence.

At the end of the day people shouldn't do it.
I'm not saying I haven't done it, nor am I saying I wouldn't do it again... but I whole heartedly admit it shouldn't be done.

Now you are not the police. You can report the driver till you're blue in the face, unless the police are there at the time to see it, no charges will be brought.
You're risking some idiot driver either hearing the noise and getting more distracted thus causing an accident or them getting out of their car and shutting you up personally.

Now it's a sad fact of life but people can and will do this. At the end of the day if they don't care they're on the phone, they're hardly going to care if they give you a slap for your troubles.

Just a thought.

unless you video them on your mobile so that you have proof.

"I'm not saying I haven't done it, nor am I saying I wouldn't do

Accident waiting to happen....

I sincerely hope you get caught before you kill somebody.

Not at all, I'm just of the opinion (as are many by the sound of the other responses to this thread) that the horn is there for things other than voicing your displeasure in this way.

Seeing someone running with scissors, the best course of action might not be to shout: "Don't run with scissors".

Originally posted by Carmine
Seeing someone running with scissors, the best course of action might not be to shout: "Don't run with scissors".

No,. it would be to trip them over, let them puncture their spleens and THEN tell them not to run with scissors.

:D

Originally posted by Cyclone
unless you video them on your mobile so that you have proof.

LOL

it's wrong to use the horn for anything other than to indicate your presence (when it might not otherwise have been noticed). It's also wrong to sound it continously.

So you're advocating at least 2 wrongs in order to solve 1 other wrong.

I'm all in favour of using my horn, as long as it's not too late at night in a residential area. I drive a little car so most road users in larger vehicles treat me like sh*t. They cut me up, they push in front of me, and I have cause to slam on my breaks at least once a day. I beep my horn at these pillocks because at least then they know they've done wrong, and there's a slight chance they might not do it to someone else.

I don't think a long beep when someone is on the phone would work though. I think it would just distract all the other drivers on the road and confuse everybody.

Nah I don't beep or use the horn, I just stay clear and laugh when they crash :)

Originally posted by mullers
"I'm not saying I haven't done it, nor am I saying I wouldn't do

Accident waiting to happen....

I sincerely hope you get caught before you kill somebody.
Come off your high horse, and stop reading too much into things.

Unlike others I don't polish my halo, I admit when I'm wrong (notice the bit of my post you neglected to quote).
It's not an everyday occurance by any standard, in fact these days I tend to turn off my handset before getting in my car.

However I don't know what will happen in the future or whether or not I'll end up doing it again.
At least I'm honest and human enough to admit it could, and has happened.

I'm sure your the greatest driver alive and as such are devoid of any faults that could cause an accident. :loopy:

Originally posted by Cyclone
unless you video them on your mobile so that you have proof.
If you're videoing them while driving then you're as bad as they are :P

However in principle if a passenger had a video mobile clear enough to catch it on camera then yes that could be used as proof.

Originally posted by DaBouncer
Come off your high horse, and stop reading too much into things.

Unlike others I don't polish my halo, I admit when I'm wrong (notice the bit of my post you neglected to quote).
It's not an everyday occurance by any standard, in fact these days I tend to turn off my handset before getting in my car.

However I don't know what will happen in the future or whether or not I'll end up doing it again.
At least I'm honest and human enough to admit it could, and has happened.

I'm sure your the greatest driver alive and as such are devoid of any faults that could cause an accident. :loopy:

Yeah, well said. None of us are angels, I'm sure everyone on this thread has made some sort of driving error at some point, and will probably make one again. At least da Bouncer admitted he was in the wrong and said he'd try not to do it again.

I speak on my phone in the car all the time. I spend about 2/3 hours every day in the car, so might as well use the time productively.

However, before everyone leaps on me, I alwasy use my hands free kit. It used to really frustrate me if somebody called me and it wasn't plugged in, so now I tend to plug the hands free in as soon as I get into my car, before I drive off. Then any calls mid-journey don't distract me.

It's a hell of a lot pleasanter to be able to conduct a conversation while you drive without having to grapple with a handset anyway. I don't know why anybody would purposely choose not to use one.

Originally posted by DaBouncer
Come off your high horse, and stop reading too much into things.

Unlike others I don't polish my halo, I admit when I'm wrong (notice the bit of my post you neglected to quote).
It's not an everyday occurance by any standard, in fact these days I tend to turn off my handset before getting in my car.

However I don't know what will happen in the future or whether or not I'll end up doing it again.
At least I'm honest and human enough to admit it could, and has happened.

I'm sure your the greatest driver alive and as such are devoid of any faults that could cause an accident. :loopy:

You've just admitted to speaking on your phone whilst driving and you call ME loopy :loopy: :loopy: :loopy:

You say it as if it doesn't matter, like "yeah we've all got faults". All you have to do, is just not answer it if it rings! SIMPLE! Or get a headset as they're legal.

Oh dear. Lets hope you lose your license sooner rather than later eh?

Originally posted by JBee

However, before everyone leaps on me, I alwasy use my hands free kit. It used to really frustrate me if somebody called me and it wasn't plugged in, so now I tend to plug the hands free in as soon as I get into my car, before I drive off. Then any calls mid-journey don't distract me.
:clap: :clap: :clap:

I was actually on about people who hold their set to their heads, thus taking the use of a hand, thus not being able to control the car properly. And indicate like the woman who nearly crashed into me did.

Originally posted by mullers
You've just admitted to speaking on your phone whilst driving and you call ME loopy :loopy: :loopy: :loopy:

You say it as if it doesn't matter, like "yeah we've all got faults". All you have to do, is just not answer it if it rings! SIMPLE! Or get a headset as they're legal.

Oh dear. Lets hope you lose your license sooner rather than later eh?
Did I say it as if it was no big deal? I'm sure I admitted it was wrong.

Again you seem to fail in grasping the entire post and you make your own conclusion based on your own obviously must be superior driving standards.

Yes... I called you :loopy: since you seem to be too inept to be able to read and soak up an entire post :lol:

totally agree with you. after running red lights this is my number 2 annoying thing that people do. Over the last few people I've seen near misses between cars, people drivting across roads, and missed traffic lights where have run through a red all because of selfish pigs on their mobiles.

Now b4 you all start I DO use my phone in traffic, but not while driving. If sat there I can't see a problem but I always pull over when actually moving if my phone rings and wanna answer it.
Have a go if you want, I don't care.

I used to make bit of a game of it actually, my car used to be LOUD so when someone was on their phone I would rev the engine at the side of them etc........well it used to amuse me anyhow.

Now I pip my horn as the zorst is more sensible but TBH it just gets frowned upon by people or they don't even notice cos on the phone!

I wonder if there is a crash and one person is on the phone, if the data protection act protects them of if their phone records can be checked to see if on the phone?

either way its dangerous and selfish if your not using hands free. they aren't that expensive these days if you do need one? or just pull over.

The reason I said it sounded like you didn't care was because of two very simple facts. Now listen carefully.

1) You admitted it was wrong but
2) you do it anyway.

What does that tell you? Think really hard before telling me I don't grasp your point.

Originally posted by AlquarUK
I wonder if there is a crash and one person is on the phone, if the data protection act protects them of if their phone records can be checked to see if on the phone?

Thats a good point actually. I would have thought that if they had, say for instance, killed a pedestrian, and you were a witness that says you saw them on their phone, data protection wouldn't be an issue?

Not really sure on this one.

Originally posted by mullers
The reason I said it sounded like you didn't care was because of two very simple facts. Now listen carefully.

1) You admitted it was wrong but
2) you do it anyway.

What does that tell you? Think really hard before telling me I don't grasp your point.
No actually I think I said was the following:
Originally posted by DaBouncer
At the end of the day people shouldn't do it.
I'm not saying I haven't done it, nor am I saying I wouldn't do it again... but I whole heartedly admit it shouldn't be done.
Go back and have a look, if you can be bothered this time to read and understand what I wrote.

I'm big enough to admit I have (past tense) done it, I never stated I still do it, but I also admit that I cannot say hand on heart it will never happen again because you don't know what situation would call for it.

E.g. Phone is on in car, I forgot my bluetooth headset, however must leave handset due to wife being 8 months pregnant and may need me URGENTLY. Phone rings, wife going into labour and I need to answer it but no safe place to stop. Well it may not be legal, it may not be ethical but if my family are needing my URGENT attention I damn well will answer it.

I also posted (if you can be arsed to get off your horse and look) the following:
Originally posted by DaBouncer
It's not an everyday occurance by any standard, in fact these days I tend to turn off my handset before getting in my car.
So by common practice my handset is turned off before getting in the car, unless I have my bluetooth headset.

Now if you still can't get your head round that little dilema.... off you trot :roll:

Originally posted by mullers
:clap: :clap: :clap:

I was actually on about people who hold their set to their heads, thus taking the use of a hand, thus not being able to control the car properly. And indicate like the woman who nearly crashed into me did.

do you blow your horn at people changing the channel on the radio, or scratching their ear whilst talking to their passenger?

Originally posted by Cyclone
do you blow your horn at people changing the channel on the radio, or scratching their ear whilst talking to their passenger?
:lol: :lol: :lol:

The big question is who is the most dangerous the person who speaks into their phone for 1 minute to answer an urgent phone call with an "I'm driving, I'll call you back in half hour when I get home" or the person who realises its dangerous to use their mobile so they pull over and block off part of the road. I've seen this done many a time. People think that they're being safe but don't realise the chaos and congestion they cause.

Originally posted by mullers
:clap: :clap: :clap:

I was actually on about people who hold their set to their heads, thus taking the use of a hand, thus not being able to control the car properly. And indicate like the woman who nearly crashed into me did.

you dont mean like the ones lighting a fag or taking a puff whilst driving.

I am a cyclist and when i see a driver on the phone i feel scared.

I get very scared when a motorist is on the phone and they overtake me, it simply isnt safe. I dont see how anyone can put the lives of themselves or other people at risk for a conversation, i simply cant understand it.

I have often approached drivers who are on the phone. Drivers who i have seen drive along and stop at lights i often pull along side and tap on the window and make a "talking on the phone/what the hell are you doing" signal.

I think that as a cyclist i notice these things more because i tend to make eye contact with the drivers of cars around me. Anyway, back to the subject of this thread, drivers who talk on the phone while driving should be punished to the full extent of the law for putting their own and other peoples lives at risk. Drivers MUST NOT be allowed to talk on mobile phones while driving, but what is the deterant? I've never heard about a driver being prosecuted for talking on the phone.

and those crazy idiots who talk to passengers, they scare the hell out of me. I mean how can they possibly hold a conversation whilst controlling a car. And goddam it i've seen that some of them aren't holding the steering wheel in the 10 to 2 position. It makes me so scared I just either pull over and cry or floor it and make sure i'm as far away from them as possible, even if i need to shoot a few lights to get away.

sorry - feeling a bit silly this evening.

The ones that really make me nervous are the drivers who turn their head to talk to their passengers... It happens a lot on tv too. Yeah, I know that on tv, the vehicle is in most cases being towed on a trailer whilst being filmed but strangely enough, it still makes me nervous whilst watching it! :nod:

Originally posted by Tintsexpert
Once had a gang of lads pull out on me when i as on my enduro, laughing and sticking the finger up, stopped laughing when his wing mirror was sent in to oblivion! together with the full "racing stipe down every panel as i "took avaisive action" with alpine star enduro boot. Put up quite a good chase too, till we ran in to a mate of mine in his shiney new volvo estate car!!! complete with flashing lights camera and horns. Oh justice is sweet. (or is that revenge?)

Nice one Tintsexpert:thumbsup:

Regarding drivers on mobiles..........when I'm on the bike and I pull up beside someone on the phone, I find that blipping the throttle or a good, constant, rise in revs with an overly enthusiastic race can:blush: does the trick:wink:

Originally posted by Carmine
Would you not worry that you were going to cause an accident by further distracting the offending driver when a minor bit of bad driving might have been the only result otherwise? Hence the danger of driving while on your mobile !!

Do you beep at other motorists on their mobiles?I flash drivers on their mobiles, drivers who drive in dark without lights, drivers who drive in the middle of the road, drivers who overtake me 30 miles over the speed limit.

Originally posted by Cyclone
do you blow your horn at people changing the channel on the radio, or scratching their ear whilst talking to their passenger?

Erm, no, because this isn't actually illegal is it? Jeez. Get with the channel. Read the thread title, that would be a good start.

DaBouncer, you're going round in circles mate. Sit down before you fall.


Look, very very carefully.

I'm not saying I haven't done it, nor am I saying I wouldn't do it again

End of statement.

Originally posted by Captain_Scarlet
Hence the danger of driving while on your mobile !!


:clap: :clap: :clap: Well put.

Originally posted by stmatt
The big question is who is the most dangerous the person who speaks into their phone for 1 minute to answer an urgent phone call with an "I'm driving, I'll call you back in half hour when I get home" or the person who realises its dangerous to use their mobile so they pull over and block off part of the road. I've seen this done many a time. People think that they're being safe but don't realise the chaos and congestion they cause.

I wouldn't say its the BIG question really. The answer to that is 42 I believe.

Its not an either/or situation dude. If people "Pull over" and use common sense then they won't be blocking the road, and I would argue it would actually be safer to block the road than be driving at 50 with one hand, one eye and no concentration!

Originally posted by willman
you dont mean like the ones lighting a fag or taking a puff whilst driving.

smoking should be banned behind the wheel IMHO.

smoke in the eyes, not concentrating to light a fag etc etc.

dangerous. If you can't eat how can smoking be any safer?

set your messages up on your mobile & turn it off.
a simple answer message stating that you can not answer the phone would suffice.
or turn it off - i bet people dont answer the phone whilst shagxxxg.

Originally posted by Captain_Scarlet

I flash drivers who overtake me 30 miles over the speed limit.

even if they are overtaking in a safe manner, using signals and a clearly visible road ahead?

Originally posted by willman
set your messages up on your mobile & turn it off.
a simple answer message stating that you can not answer the phone would suffice.
or turn it off - i bet people dont answer the phone whilst shagxxxg.

depends who I'm shagging!! ha ha ha ha ha ;)

Originally posted by willman
set your messages up on your mobile & turn it off.
a simple answer message stating that you can not answer the phone would suffice.
or turn it off - i bet people dont answer the phone whilst shagxxxg.

Come on! You're telling me you've never tried an 09068 number? :D

Its an interesting concept about smoking AlquarUK. I hate it when people spark up in the car. Ergh.

Originally posted by AlquarUK
smoking should be banned behind the wheel IMHO.

smoke in the eyes, not concentrating to light a fag etc etc.

dangerous. If you can't eat how can smoking be any safer?
Here, here.

Originally posted by mullers
Erm, no, because this isn't actually illegal is it? Jeez. Get with the channel. Read the thread title, that would be a good start.

DaBouncer, you're going round in circles mate. Sit down before you fall.


Look, very very carefully.



End of statement.

I'm just trying to establish how consistent you are in breaking the law yourself (using your horn inappropriately).

So it's not actually anything to do with safety that your concerned about, it's just 'the law', does that make you a version of a jobsworth?

AlquarUK - why one eye, do you close an eye whilst talking on the phone? Do you use any more conversation to talk on the phone than too a passenger? Do you always drive with 2 hands on the wheel?

Originally posted by mullers
Erm, no, because this isn't actually illegal is it? Jeez. Get with the channel. Read the thread title, that would be a good start.

DaBouncer, you're going round in circles mate. Sit down before you fall.


Look, very very carefully.



End of statement.
Hardly.
Like I say you're too inept to even understand, hence the reason you cannot construct a decent argument.

Go back and read my previous post complete with example and you may then start to understand what I am saying. Although given you've failed to grasp the point so far I highly doubt you have the mental ability to do so :roll:

Everyone else here can see my point, doesn't that tell you something.

Seriously pigeons learn faster than you!

It's very frustrating when you see others using their mobiles while driving. It's sods law that if you use yours with out your hands free you get caught and every other bugger gets away with it! (I'm not speaking from experience with mobile phones, but with speeding).

I got caught speeding which has ruined me as a driver as i am now constantly paranoid that there is a camera lurking around the corner. But when i'm trying to stick to the speed limit and there is an idiot right up my bum, i get frustrated because although i would love to put my foot down i can't!

Sadly we have to just sit back and watch these people illegally use their mobiles until they're caught. As scottf said, they will get whats coming to them.

XX

Originally posted by AlquarUK
even if they are overtaking in a safe manner, using signals and a clearly visible road ahead? The speed limit is the speed limit however clear the road is... Motoeway speed is 70, so if I see a driver overtaking me at say an estimated 90mph, -flash-flash-.

PS: I say estimated as, as I'm driving at the said 70, I cannot accurately establish the speed of an overtaking vehicle, just that it's speeding.

Off topic:
Also my new hobby while on the road is when someone is tailgating me (yes you Mr White van cigarette smnoker dog in the middle seat on Aston By Pass Exit 31 M1 Eaatbound this morning at 0755) I play with the break lights. As I can flash the break lights without effectively slowing down, then I flicker them to TRY and it in the (usually) white van driver that beeing at 10 inches behind my boot is not appropriate.

PS2: I HATE TAILGATING

maybe you should spend less time worrying about other peoples behaviour and concentrate on your driving.

Originally posted by Captain_Scarlet
The speed limit is the speed limit however clear the road is... Motoeway speed is 70, so if I see a driver overtaking me at say an estimated 90mph, -flash-flash-.

PS: I say estimated as, as I'm driving at the said 70, I cannot accurately establish the speed of an overtaking vehicle, just that it's speeding.

Off topic:
Also my new hobby while on the road is when someone is tailgating me (yes you Mr White van cigarette smnoker dog in the middle seat on Aston By Pass Exit 31 M1 Eaatbound this morning at 0755) I play with the break lights. As I can flash the break lights without effectively slowing down, then I flicker them to TRY and it in the (usually) white van driver that beeing at 10 inches behind my boot is not appropriate.

PS2: I HATE TAILGATING

Originally posted by Captain_Scarlet
The speed limit is the speed limit however clear the road is... Motoeway speed is 70, so if I see a driver overtaking me at say an estimated 90mph, -flash-flash-.

PS: I say estimated as, as I'm driving at the said 70, I cannot accurately establish the speed of an overtaking vehicle, just that it's speeding.

Off topic:
Also my new hobby while on the road is when someone is tailgating me (yes you Mr White van cigarette smnoker dog in the middle seat on Aston By Pass Exit 31 M1 Eaatbound this morning at 0755) I play with the break lights. As I can flash the break lights without effectively slowing down, then I flicker them to TRY and it in the (usually) white van driver that beeing at 10 inches behind my boot is not appropriate.

PS2: I HATE TAILGATING


Well if your flashing other drivers your a class A prat im afraid, why do you do it?- your not going to slow them down - infact- all your going to do is dazzle other road drivers and cause them to look in there rear view mirrors to see why you are flashing them- possibly then causing another accident because they arn't paying attention to the road infront of them!!!


I wish people would just concentrate on there OWN driving - rather than worrying about everyone elses!!!

Originally posted by Captain_Scarlet
The speed limit is the speed limit however clear the road is... Motoeway speed is 70, so if I see a driver overtaking me at say an estimated 90mph, -flash-flash-.

PS: I say estimated as, as I'm driving at the said 70, I cannot accurately establish the speed of an overtaking vehicle, just that it's speeding.

Off topic:
Also my new hobby while on the road is when someone is tailgating me (yes you Mr White van cigarette smnoker dog in the middle seat on Aston By Pass Exit 31 M1 Eaatbound this morning at 0755) I play with the break lights. As I can flash the break lights without effectively slowing down, then I flicker them to TRY and it in the (usually) white van driver that beeing at 10 inches behind my boot is not appropriate.

PS2: I HATE TAILGATING

watchout for a silver avensis overtaking you then, flashing headlights without due cause or sounding your horn when it is inappropriate will make you liable for any accidents caused.
so when i pull infront & hit the brakes(without activating the brake lights) thinking i have a problem
i'll welcome you into the boot of my car with an insurance claim for dangerous driving.

Originally posted by willman
watchout for a silver avensis overtaking you then, flashing headlights without due cause or sounding your horn when it is inappropriate will make you liable for any accidents caused.
so when i pull infront & hit the brakes(without activating the brake lights) thinking i have a problem
i'll welcome you into the boot of my car with an insurance claim for dangerous driving. Unlikely, the claim will have your tailgating and unappropriate lane changing on it making you sole responsible for the accident.

If you're the kind of moron that thinks that speeding is smart then my flashing is nothing but appropriate. Or perhaps you'd like me to drive at 30 on a country lane with you stuck behind me with my two fingers in front of your face...

Speeding is not the answer, deal with it.

Your are arrogant and think the road is nothing but your own, you can't take a lesson and prably think that red lights are for others. It is people like two that cause accidents by careless driving.maybe you should spend less time worrying about other peoples behaviour and concentrate on your driving.I do nothing else than worry about my driving bt surviving on the road also involves watching what eratic driving other motorists do. speeding, lane changing is one of them...

"I'm in my bubble, there is no one else on the road"

Originally posted by scottf
Well if your flashing other drivers your a class A prat im afraid, why do you do it?- your not going to slow them down - infact- all your going to do is dazzle other road drivers and cause them to look in there rear view mirrors to see why you are flashing them- possibly then causing another accident because they arn't paying attention to the road infront of them!!!


I wish people would just concentrate on there OWN driving - rather than worrying about everyone elses!!!

I have to agree with the quote above Captin Scarlett. I find it really confusing when drivers flash their lights, espeically it is was on a motorway or in fast moving traffic. It causes me to look in my mirror to see whether they are flashing at me, taking my concentration off the road, and I might hit the break confusing other drivers too.

You are not the police, and I'm sure you're not faultless on the road yourself. You mentioned that you like to drive at 30mph on country roads to frustrate other drivers, which in my opinion is just an acident waiting to happen.

Up here in Scotland, out on the country roads, we actually have road signs saying 'Remember that frustration causes accidents - keep up your speed', to remind nervous drivers that they should try to travel close to the speed limit on clear stretches in good conditions to avoid accidents.

In your reply to willman you say 'You are arrogant and think that the road is nothing but your own'.

I would say that this statement applies more to yourself, if you think you have the right to flash at anyone who overtakes you. You definitely need to concentrate more on your own driving instead of letting you roadrage distract you.

Captain Scarlett- If you want to do something about speeding then join the police- simple as that, it is not your place to inform other drivers about there driving- let them deal with the concequences of there actions!

Originally posted by Captain_Scarlet
Unlikely, the claim will have your tailgating and unappropriate lane changing on it making you sole responsible for the accident.

If you're the kind of moron that thinks that speeding is smart then my flashing is nothing but appropriate. Or perhaps you'd like me to drive at 30 on a country lane with you stuck behind me with my two fingers in front of your face...

Speeding is not the answer, deal with it.

Your are arrogant and think the road is nothing but your own, you can't take a lesson and prably think that red lights are for others. It is people like two that cause accidents by careless driving.I do nothing else than worry about my driving bt surviving on the road also involves watching what eratic driving other motorists do. speeding, lane changing is one of them...

"I'm in my bubble, there is no one else on the road"

where would you like me to start responding.
a)it is legal to overtake a vehicle if it is safe -it does not have to be below the speed limit to do it( if u think so u better have a few more lessons)
b)flashing lights as some one overtakes is not appropriate - read the highway code.
c)if i can offer as a defence that u behaved irrationally & aggressively by flashing @ me for performing a legal manouvre(overtaking) A charge of road rage could be drawn up gainst you.
d)never mentioned tailgating i referred to your passion for flashing as people overtake.

you can't say i'm arrogant or a moron 'cos you don't me, and its rude & totally inappropriate to this post.(read the forum rules)
unfortunately you dont appear know the laws of the road so perhaps you should revert to a pushbike & stabilisers.

Originally posted by DaBouncer
Hardly.
Like I say you're too inept to even understand, hence the reason you cannot construct a decent argument.

Go back and read my previous post complete with example and you may then start to understand what I am saying. Although given you've failed to grasp the point so far I highly doubt you have the mental ability to do so :roll:

Everyone else here can see my point, doesn't that tell you something.

Seriously pigeons learn faster than you!

And all I'M saying is that if you DO use your phone whilst driving then I HOPE you lose your LICENSE before KILLING somebody. Simple. It would be one less idiot on the streets.

No matter how many times you put "Go back and read my previous post" it still says to me that even though you know it is wrong, you still do it. I'm just gonna let you argue with yourself for a bit now as you're more boring than watching paint dry. Lets have a bit of dynamic conversation instead eh? This thread is getting interesting.

Cyclone, (yawn) oh sorry. Speaking on your phone has been made illegal as it has been proven to cause serious accidents. If you read the first post by myself, you'll discover that safety is the key issue here. So what are you on about with this?

So it's not actually anything to do with safety that your concerned about, it's just 'the law', does that make you a version of a jobsworth?

I wish you'd read what I've already put before replying.

The next question I want to throw out is this.

Do you have sat nav in your car? Do you find yourself looking at it more than you should? I had to laugh at a version of Tom Tom navigator, that upon installing to a PDA says "By clicking the agree button you agree that you will not look at the sxreen whilst driving". Not too bad I suppose if you set the voice promts, but do you have to check the screen as well? What if you're deaf and can't hear the prompts?

Any thoughts?

Originally posted by willman
c)if i can offer as a defence that u behaved irrationally & aggressively by flashing @ me for performing a legal manouvre(overtaking) A charge of road rage could be drawn up gainst you.


What about if you decided to overtake on a 40mph road with a speed camera? You got caught at lets say, 60mph, then tried to blame the car you were overtaking for flashing you.

Who'd win there?

Originally posted by Cyclone
So it's not actually anything to do with safety that your concerned about, it's just 'the law', does that make you a version of a jobsworth?


I'd like to know how it's being a 'jobsworth' to be concerned about the irresponsible behaviour of other motorists who are driving in such a way as to be risking the lives of the other motorists/passengers around them?

Driving along at speed while using a hand-held mobile is showing absolute disregard for the lives and safety of other road users, not to mention the small fact that it is actually Illegal. One day, these irresponsible, selfish drivers are going to kill someone else - what phone-call is worth a human life?

Get a grip, people - your pathetic phone-call is not worth someone's else life. You're not that important.

StarSparkle

Originally posted by mullers
And all I'M saying is that if you DO use your phone whilst driving then I HOPE you lose your LICENSE before KILLING somebody. Simple. It would be one less idiot on the streets.

No matter how many times you put "Go back and read my previous post" it still says to me that even though you know it is wrong, you still do it. I'm just gonna let you argue with yourself for a bit now as you're more boring than watching paint dry. Lets have a bit of dynamic conversation instead eh? This thread is getting interesting. Blah Blah Blah... Yadda yadda yadda.

It's a shame you're the only who can't see how you're just not getting it.
However if you feel the need to understand exactly what has been said then feel free to go and look. It's easy when you just soak it up.
I already stated that I have not anywhere said I still do it. Prove otherwise?
I'm just not so conceited that I rule the possibility of ever doing it again, I don't know what situation I'd be in.

On the subject of losing your licence, if you bothered to look using your mobile phone while driving (although I don't advocate it being) doesn't carry a punishment which means one would lose their licence.
It carries a maximum fine of £1000 if it went to court... end of! Feel free to look it up.
However you still probably wouldn't be able to grasp it since you obviously have a hard time with this thread :lol:

I like the statement of letting me argue with myself though ;) very original. It's even more obvious by stating such that you cannot construct a reasonable argument or prove you're right.
You just spout off thinking you're right. Oh well... if it helps you get through the day... please continue :roll:

And while you're on the subjectof idiots on the streets, was it me who stated they flash their lights at motorists or honk their horn at them thus removing my own concentration from the road as well as other motorists? Erm... I believe that was you.

Who's the idiot driver here ;) I'll give you one guess (although I suspect you'll need 3 so I'll give you a hint... look in the mirror).

Have a nice day!

Originally posted by mullers
What about if you decided to overtake on a 40mph road with a speed camera? You got caught at lets say, 60mph, then tried to blame the car you were overtaking for flashing you.

Who'd win there?

it would be the motorist doing 60's fault. overtaking in that instance would be deemed to be a unsafe manouvre. i think.

Originally posted by StarSparkle
I'd like to know how it's being a 'jobsworth' to be concerned about the irresponsible behaviour of other motorists who are driving in such a way as to be risking the lives of the other motorists/passengers around them?

Driving along at speed while using a hand-held mobile is showing absolute disregard for the lives and safety of other road users, not to mention the small fact that it is actually Illegal. One day, these irresponsible, selfish drivers are going to kill someone else - what phone-call is worth a human life?

Get a grip, people - your pathetic phone-call is not worth someone's else life. You're not that important.

StarSparkle

get a grip yourself.
Do you ever scratch your ear, change the stereo, or god forbid talk to a passenger whilst driving the car? All those things are just as dangerous as using a mobile. I didn't understand why talking on the phone was made illegal then and I still don't understand now.

If you didn't understand why I made a reference to jobsworths then i'm not going to bother explaining.

mullers - where's the proof then? A link would be nice, but i'll settle for a quote from a serious study.
Now is it safety that you're concerned about, I don't think it is. You've said that you sound your horn continously at people using a mobile, but not at people talking to passengers and the reason you gave was because the first is illegal. So you seem to be concerned with making everyone follow the law, even though you have no authority to do so far more than you are concerned with safety or actually following the law yourself.
Sounding your horn continously is breaking the highway code as well you know. I wish you'd read my posts before replying.

Originally posted by Cyclone

mullers - I wish you'd read my posts before replying.
He/she seems to have a problem doing that very thing cyclone, while finding it even tougher to assimilate what's actually been written.

Originally posted by DaBouncer
blah blah stuff

LOL I can't even be bothered to read a whinge that long. Argue away! God, even I'M bored with you TRYING DESPARATELY to explain your actions, never mind the other poor sods on this thread who have to labour through them.

You're in the wrong. End of story. Anybody disagree?

Originally posted by DaBouncer
He/she seems to have a problem doing that very thing cyclone, while finding it even tougher to assimilate what's actually been written.
After the comments made on the thread yesterday, I came to the same conclusion.

Originally posted by mullers
LOL I can't even be bothered to read a whinge that long. Argue away! God, even I'M bored with you TRYING DESPARATELY to explain your actions, never mind the other poor sods on this thread who have to labour through them.

You're in the wrong. End of story. Anybody disagree?

You're in the wrong as well, anyone disagree?

Originally posted by DaBouncer
He/she seems to have a problem doing that very thing cyclone, while finding it even tougher to assimilate what's actually been written.

Hang on, thats what I said to Cyclone. Stoopid.

Originally posted by Cyclone
get a grip yourself.
Do you ever scratch your ear, change the stereo, or god forbid talk to a passenger whilst driving the car? All those things are just as dangerous as using a mobile. I didn't understand why talking on the phone was made illegal then and I still don't understand now.

If you didn't understand why I made a reference to jobsworths then i'm not going to bother explaining.

mullers - where's the proof then? A link would be nice, but i'll settle for a quote from a serious study.
Now is it safety that you're concerned about, I don't think it is. You've said that you sound your horn continously at people using a mobile, but not at people talking to passengers and the reason you gave was because the first is illegal. So you seem to be concerned with making everyone follow the law, even though you have no authority to do so far more than you are concerned with safety or actually following the law yourself.
Sounding your horn continously is breaking the highway code as well you know. I wish you'd read my posts before replying.

I beg your pardon? Who the hell are you talking to?

Get a grip on yourself, you're making no sense at all :loopy:

I didn't say I was in favour in honking your horn at another driver because they were on their mobile. I said it's not being a 'jobsworth' to be concerned/worried by this behaviour, and wanting something to be done about it. The police clearly can't be arsed - so what do you do? Wait until one of these idiots smashes into you? How many accidents do we have to wait for until the menace of hand-held mobiles being used in a moving car is taken seriously?

If you're one of those irresponsible drivers, Cyclone, I think you should look closely at your actions. IT IS ILLEGAL - nobody gives a toss whether you think it should be or not.

You really are an arrogant p****

StarSparkle

Originally posted by mullers
LOL I can't even be bothered to read a whinge that long. Argue away! God, even I'M bored with you TRYING DESPARATELY to explain your actions, never mind the other poor sods on this thread who have to labour through them.

You're in the wrong. End of story. Anybody disagree?
You see that's it.
Proof you don't get it.

I never claimed I wasn't. My first post openly admitted that the times I have driven while using the mobile phone I was in the wrong.

Go away mullers, you not very original and at best the worst forum troll I've seen in a long while ;)

Originally posted by Carmine
After the comments made on the thread yesterday, I came to the same conclusion.

Nothing to add to the debate yourself then?

Welcome to the good old Sheffield Forum, muck-slingin' hoe-down!:hihi:

Originally posted by Carmine
Welcome to the good old Sheffield Forum, muck-slingin' hoe-down!:hihi:
Yee hawww :lol:

Originally posted by DaBouncer
Go away mullers, you not very original and at best the worst forum troll I've seen in a long while ;)

Look, if you can't stick to the debate, its YOU who should go away. Lets get back on track eh?

Originally posted by mullers
Nothing to add to the debate yourself then?
I added my opinion yesterday and was pretty disgusted by the fact that you seemed to equate my disagreeing with you as a failure to grasp the essential points of the thread.

The whole debate over who said what seems more than a little juvenile, to be honest.

Pint anyone?

...

Originally posted by mullers
Look, if you can't stick to the debate, its YOU who should go away. Lets get back on track eh?
You see this is your problem.
I have made a constructive and well explained argument.
I have never excused my actions as being right nor have I advocated using a phone while driving.

However you seem hell bent on a mission to keep arguing your one tracked and incorrectly informed opinion on a subject you clearly lack basic knowledge of.

You can't read and understand someone's posts and you seem to find even harder accepting when you're in the wrong and have made yourself look like a first class ignorant pillock.

Originally posted by StarSparkle
I beg your pardon? Who the hell are you talking to?

Get a grip on yourself, you're making no sense at all :loopy:

I didn't say I was in favour in honking your horn at another driver because they were on their mobile. I said it's not being a 'jobsworth' to be concerned/worried by this behaviour, and wanting something to be done about it. The police clearly can't be arsed - so what do you do? Wait until one of these idiots smashes into you? How many accidents do we have to wait for until the menace of hand-held mobiles being used in a moving car is taken seriously?

If you're one of those irresponsible drivers, Cyclone, I think you should look closely at your actions. IT IS ILLEGAL - nobody gives a toss whether you think it should be or not.

You really are an arrogant p****

StarSparkle

you're very close to break the forum rules there you know. If you can't argue without calling people names then i'd give up.

Originally posted by Carmine
I added my opinion yesterday and was pretty disgusted by the fact that you seemed to equate my disagreeing with you as a failure to grasp the essential points of the thread.

The whole debate over who said what seems more than a little juvenile, to be honest.

Sorry if I offended you, but your first post didn't tell me that you'd actually taken time to think about what I was getting at.

Funny you thought it was juvenile. I thought the same at your little gripe at me you'd just come back with. Like being in the playground. So, can we get on with the discussion now?

Who's round is it?

Do people using mobile phones while driving realise that if they do have an accident it is no use saying that they were not on the phone as all calls are logged to the second and can be called as evidence should a claim be made. Also I believe that insurance companies take a dim view of claims where it is proved that using a mobile phone was a contributary factor to an accident.

Originally posted by mullers
Hang on, thats what I said to Cyclone. Stoopid.

and it's also what we keep saying back to you.
The difference being that we read yours, disagree, give a reasoned argument why and then you simply ignore it and repeat yourself.

Any comment yet on the fact that sounding your horn continously is also breaking the highway code? or is it okay when you do it?
And can anyone (starsparkle maybe) explain how a phone conversation is more dangerous than talking to your passenger whilst having one hand on the steering wheel?

Originally posted by DaBouncer
...look like a first class ignorant pillock.

Ooo, thats breaking the forum rules isn't it? ;)

You're never going to get my point, and I'm not going to get yours by the looks of things, so shall we drop it? I'm sure this thread is getting pretty boring by now.

Originally posted by mullers
Sorry if I offended you, but your first post didn't tell me that you'd actually taken time to think about what I was getting at.

Funny you thought it was juvenile. I thought the same at your little gripe at me you'd just come back with. Like being in the playground. So, can we get on with the discussion now?

Who's round is it?
I wasn't aware that this thread required 2000+ word answers and a bibliography for each post...:confused:

Originally posted by Cyclone
you're very close to break the forum rules there you know. If you can't argue without calling people names then i'd give up.

Nearly, but not quite :P

If all you can pick me up on is calling you a well-deserved name, then I'd suggest you've lost the argument.

Have a nice day.

StarSparkle

Originally posted by Carmine
Would you not worry that you were going to cause an accident by further distracting the offending driver when a minor bit of bad driving might have been the only result otherwise?

it seems like quite a reasonable question to me, did you ever actually answer it?

Originally posted by StarSparkle
Nearly, but not quite :P

If all you can pick me up on is calling you a well-deserved name, then I'd suggest you've lost the argument.

Have a nice day.

StarSparkle

I've lost the argument because you called me a name. Maybe if we were 8.

When you resort to calling people names then you've lost the argument, that's how it works when you've grown up.

Originally posted by Cyclone
...and repeat yourself.



Thats because myself and dabouner were having communication issues. Hopefully they've been resolved now.

:D

Regarding the bit with the passenger conversation and one hand on the wheel, its a very good point. I take it that you mean you're not concentrating on driving?

What about when people send texts whilst driving? I've seen a few people do this. They're not even looking at the road! What are your views on that?

Originally posted by Cyclone
And can anyone (starsparkle maybe) explain how a phone conversation is more dangerous than talking to your passenger whilst having one hand on the steering wheel?

If this concerns you so much, why don't you take it up with the authorities? It's they who have decided that talking on a hand-held mobile while driving is illegal, not me.

Perhaps, just perhaps, on this occasion, you might be wrong? :o

StarSparkle

Originally posted by Carmine
I wasn't aware that this thread required 2000+ word answers and a bibliography for each post...:confused:

Who said that??!!?? I must have missed that post.

Originally posted by Carmine
Would you not worry that you were going to cause an accident by further distracting the offending driver when a minor bit of bad driving might have been the only result otherwise?


Originally posted by Cyclone
it seems like quite a reasonable question to me, did you ever actually answer it?

Captain scarlet answered it quite well I thought

Hence the danger of driving while on your mobile !!

Originally posted by mullers
Thats because myself and dabouncer were having communication issues. Hopefully they've been resolved now.

:D

I think they've been resolved on an agree to disagree basis.
The thing is mullers I have nothing against you and am happy to debate an interesting topic with you.
However I grapsed you point from the word go, but you didn't seem to be able to read and understand what I had written.

However we'll call it a truce and move along with the subject.

Do you feel it's safe and legal to sound your horn at other motorists because they are using the mobile phone whilst driving?

Originally posted by Cyclone
I've lost the argument because you called me a name. Maybe if we were 8.

When you resort to calling people names then you've lost the argument, that's how it works when you've grown up.

To repeat - I'll say it louder if you didn't hear - if all you can come back at me with is a complaint about calling you a name - then I'd say that means there's nothing in my argument you can come back at me with.

Adults don't run to teacher if they're called names. They use their brains to come up with decent rebutting arguments. If they can think of any of course.....

StarSparkle

Originally posted by mullers
Thats because myself and dabouner were having communication issues. Hopefully they've been resolved now.

:D

Regarding the bit with the passenger conversation and one hand on the wheel, its a very good point. I take it that you mean you're not concentrating on driving?

What about when people send texts whilst driving? I've seen a few people do this. They're not even looking at the road! What are your views on that?

very dangerous obviously. More so than talking on the phone or to a passenger.

The entire argument for not using a handheld phone whilst driving must revolve around the fact that one hand is not on the wheel. As you are still allowed to talk to people in the car, or indeed use a hands free kit.

But that makes no sense, as many (maybe most) people do not keep two hands on the wheel at all times. For a start there's the examples i already used, scratching, stereo, gear change. And if you're on the motorway for 2 hours most people i think put one hand down to rest it and use the other to steer.

Maybe it's the act of dialling the phone that is actually so dangerous, as you need to look at the keypad for an extended length of time. In which case, banning the entire use was a typical government overreaction and whatsmore uneccessary as the police could have already used "due care and attention" or "dangerous driving" as charges if they were warranted.

Or - maybe it was the thought of lots of fines being paid that was actually behind it, dreamed up by the minister of tax the motorist.

Originally posted by StarSparkle
Adults don't run to teacher if they're called names. They use their brains to come up with decent rebutting arguments. If they can think of any of course.....


AFAIK adults don't resort to calling each others names in the first place.

Originally posted by willman
where would you like me to start responding.
a)it is legal to overtake a vehicle if it is safe -it does not have to be below the speed limit to do it( if u think so u better have a few more lessons)
b)flashing lights as some one overtakes is not appropriate - read the highway code.
c)if i can offer as a defence that u behaved irrationally & aggressively by flashing @ me for performing a legal manouvre(overtaking) A charge of road rage could be drawn up gainst you.
d)never mentioned tailgating i referred to your passion for flashing as people overtake.

you can't say i'm arrogant or a moron 'cos you don't me, and its rude & totally inappropriate to this post.(read the forum rules)
unfortunately you dont appear know the laws of the road so perhaps you should revert to a pushbike & stabilisers. Well unfortunately, I am well aware of the Highway Code and I have copy with me, and appropriate warning flashing is acceptable.

You dare tell me about road rage when just a few posts above you said you'd enjoy pulling back right in front of me to cause an accident then putting the blame on me. Now that is road rage.Originally posted by JBBBBeeee
so when i pull infront & hit the brakes(without activating the brake lights) thinking i have a problem
i'll welcome you into the boot of my car with an insurance claim for dangerous driving.that is what you said isn't it ? Owned.I have to agree with the quote above Captin Scarlett. I find it really confusing when drivers flash their lights, espeically it is was on a motorway or in fast moving traffic. It causes me to look in my mirror to see whether they are flashing at me, taking my concentration off the road, and I might hit the break confusing other drivers too.Well it don't take much to confuse you then. If you have nothing to worry about then you won't care if there's a UFO, you'll still continue with your irreprochable driving of yours.Originally posted by scootph
Captain Scarlett- If you want to do something about speeding then join the police- simple as that, it is not your place to inform other drivers about there driving- let them deal with the concequences of there actions!It most certainly is. Most of you have blatantly admited driving against the law yet you have the cheek to tell me to mind my own business.

I'm not going to bother reading your posts you're actually worrying me knowing that you're on the roads of Yorkshire, driving like you do. So long then, when you're car empailled into a tree, you'll reconsider speeding.

Originally posted by nick2
AFAIK adults don't resort to calling each others names in the first place.

I wondered how long it would take for you to show up?

You've really got a chip on your shoulder about me for some reason, haven't you? :rolleyes:

Get over it.

StarSparkle

Originally posted by DaBouncer
Do you feel it's safe and legal to sound your horn at other motorists because they are using the mobile phone whilst driving? [/B]

I can take on both sides of the argument. I feel that if beeping your horn at a driver on their phone would startle them into crashing, then that proves 100% that they were not in safely in control of their vehicle. If however, the driver realises that there maybe a problem on the road that they haven't recognised due to a mobie phone conversation and it prompts them into putting it down, then great.

We all recognise and agree that its dangerous (even if we do do it) and should all take a moment to think "is it worth it" before picking up the phone or dialling a number. Like someone mentioned a few posts back, nobody's life is worth your conversation, which is a very good way to look at it.

Originally posted by Cyclone
get a grip yourself.
Do you ever scratch your ear, change the stereo, or god forbid talk to a passenger whilst driving the car? All those things are just as dangerous as using a mobile.


I disagree, having done all four of these things while driving.

When you scratch your ear or change channels on the radio you can put your hand back on the wheel or gearstick in a millisecond. And when you're talking to a passenger your hands are free and your eyes are on the road.

When you're using a mobile phone, you have one hand engaged. You reach a round-a-bout and find you can't stear properly while changing gears at the same time. And you can't fling just fling away the phone without cutting off the caller. Nor is your vision as good because turning your head to look behind you while still using your phone is harder.

Bad examples Cyclone.

Originally posted by Cyclone
Maybe it's the act of dialling the phone that is actually so dangerous, as you need to look at the keypad for an extended length of time. In which case, banning the entire use was a typical government overreaction and whatsmore uneccessary as the police could have already used "due care and attention" or "dangerous driving" as charges if they were warranted.

Or - maybe it was the thought of lots of fines being paid that was actually behind it, dreamed up by the minister of tax the motorist.

Lets say that there were 1000 crashes in 2002 that were due to people wandering off the road because of them looking at the keypad to dial a number, or to see who's calling them. How can the government banning it be an "overreaction"?

Originally posted by mullers
I can take on both sides of the argument. I feel that if beeping your horn at a driver on their phone would startle them into crashing, then that proves 100% that they were not in safely in control of their vehicle.
So by that account you have caaused them just as much to crash as they did being on the phone.
The same thing could happen to a nervous driver with both hands on the wheel and not a mobile phone in sight.

THAT act makes you as responsible for causing an accident as the individual on the phone.

PLUS to drive a manual car with your phone in one hand means the steering wheel is totally "hands-free" every time you change gear.

Very dangerous wouldn't you agree?

Since you want me to ignore the juvenile insults and actually argue with the rest of your post.

Originally posted by StarSparkle
I beg your pardon? Who the hell are you talking to?

Get a grip on yourself, you're making no sense at all :loopy:

Quite clearly i'm talking to everyone reading this thread, but specifically that reply was to you and to mullers.

I didn't say I was in favour in honking your horn at another driver because they were on their mobile.
I didn't suggest that you were, it was mullers that was. You have been following the thread right?
I said it's not being a 'jobsworth' to be concerned/worried by this behaviour, and wanting something to be done about it. The police clearly can't be arsed - so what do you do? Wait until one of these idiots smashes into you? How many accidents do we have to wait for until the menace of hand-held mobiles being used in a moving car is taken seriously?
You understand analogies right? This was an analogy. A jobsworth sticks rigidly to the rules of his job, even to the point of being unhelpful in ways that wouldn't actually inconvience her. Mullers is breaking the rules of the road himself because he is so upset that someone else isn't sticking to those same rules. I saw a similarity in the behaviour, if you can't, well never mind.



If you're one of those irresponsible drivers, Cyclone, I think you should look closely at your actions. IT IS ILLEGAL - nobody gives a toss whether you think it should be or not.

You really are an arrogant p****

StarSparkle

Nobody, oooh that's harsh. Oh well, what makes you think that I care about your opinion anymore than anyone cares about mine? Hey, at least I try to make my arguments clear without needing to call you silly names.
By the way - you sound a little bit like Slim when talking about drugs, IT'S ILLEGAL, yes, well, lots of things are, sometimes the government are actually wrong, be an adult and decide for yourself when that is, and obviously be prepared for the consequences if 'they' catch you. Big brother is watching.

Originally posted by Captain_Scarlet
Well unfortunately, I am well aware of the Highway Code and I have copy with me, and appropriate warning flashing is acceptable.



would you mind quoting the entire portion, I don't think it says you can give a warning flash because you decide that someone is speeding when they overtake you.

Originally posted by DaBouncer
The same thing could happen to a nervous driver with both hands on the wheel and not a mobile phone in sight.



Im sorry but that is total nonsense. People don't just veer off the road because somebody has beeped! They would ban horns on cars if that was the case. And what about if it was another car going the other way that had beeped for another reason? Would they be at fault for the person in front of me on their mobile crashing? No.

Originally posted by JBee
I disagree, having done all four of these things while driving.

When you scratch your ear or change channels on the radio you can put your hand back on the wheel or gearstick in a millisecond. And when you're talking to a passenger your hands are free and your eyes are on the road.

When you're using a mobile phone, you have one hand engaged. You reach a round-a-bout and find you can't stear properly while changing gears at the same time. And you can't fling just fling away the phone without cutting off the caller. Nor is your vision as good because turning your head to look behind you while still using your phone is harder.

Bad examples Cyclone.

goddamn you must change channels fast. A millisecond, you're having a laugh right. And in order to see what you're doing you have to take your eyes of the road.
I've approached a roundabout whilst using the phone before (before the law changed), the conversation went like this "hold on, roundabout coming up, i'll be back in 20 s". Phone goes on passenger seat, I go around roundabout.

Originally posted by Cyclone
would you mind quoting the entire portion, I don't think it says you can give a warning flash because you decide that someone is speeding when they overtake you.

i would have rebutted with a similar comment.
flashing lights is accepted as a warning if theres nothing to warn me about, whos in the wrong.

Originally posted by mullers
Lets say that there were 1000 crashes in 2002 that were due to people wandering off the road because of them looking at the keypad to dial a number, or to see who's calling them. How can the government banning it be an "overreaction"?

lets say that there were 0 crashes in 2002 instead.

You can't just invent numbers, either back them up or don't bother posting them.

Originally posted by Cyclone
sometimes the government are actually wrong,

Bloody hell. YOU think that it was wrong to ban mobiles whilst driving?

Good luck to ya!

Originally posted by Cyclone
lets say that there were 0 crashes in 2002 instead.

You can't just invent numbers, either back them up or don't bother posting them.

So petty.

I was throwing something out into the open for discussion. You don't have a debate on this point, obviously.

What I was TRYING to say was that there was a reason. I'll go scour the Internet then for some REAL numbers if that would make you happy, statto.

Originally posted by mullers
Im sorry but that is total nonsense. People don't just veer off the road because somebody has beeped! They would ban horns on cars if that was the case. And what about if it was another car going the other way that had beeped for another reason? Would they be at fault for the person in front of me on their mobile crashing? No.
Is it? Is it really total nonsense?
I know drivers who are quite nervous and unskilled in the amount of driving hours they have under their belt.
A sudden and prolonged outburst of honking one's horn especially if they were in the direct vicinity of the offending vehicle would cause them to distract their attention from the road and possible veer off causing an accident.

It's not that they're the bad drivers, it's the idiot who thinks it's fine to honk their horn in inappropriate and dangerous situations.

To think otherwise is... well quite simply nonesense!
Any disagree?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Captain_Scarlet
[B]Well unfortunately, I am well aware of the Highway Code and I have copy with me, and appropriate warning flashing is acceptable.

You dare tell me about road rage when just a few posts above you said you'd enjoy pulling back right in front of me to cause an accident then putting the blame on me. Now that is road rage.that is what you said isn't it ?

well your copies out of date. but then again if you like to keep people @ 30 mph on country lanes its probably pre war anyway.

unfortunately pulling in would be as a result of your bad driving,bad attitude & lack of ability to drive like a normal person.so yours is raod rage mine is a responsible manouvere responding to a lunatic driver flashing his lights,pretending to a policeman.

(you really ought to review your actions to see how easily they can be misconstrued into an awful lot of "psychological" issues if the police are called for.

Here you go cyclone, just a small extract from the paper. You can download and read the entire thing if you need more proof you're a danger on the road from here

http://www.rospa.com/roadsafety/info/mobile_phone_report.pdf

"A case-control study of data from 223,137 traffic accidents
(1,548 of which were fatal) between 1992 and 1995 in the USA,
compared the accident characteristics and use of mobile
phones in fatal crashes with non-fatal ones.There was a mobile
phone in 4% of the vehicles involved in a fatal accident, and in
these crashes, almost 8% of the drivers were using the phone
at the time of the crash.Drivers who were using a mobile phone
were nine times more likely to be involved in a fatal accident
than drivers who were not. (Just the presence of a mobile
phone in the vehicle resulted in the accident risk being doubled).
Drivers who used a mobile phone while driving were more
likely to cause an accident by wandering out of their lane,
more likely to hit a pedestrian and more likely to overturn
their vehicle.This report also stated that using a mobile
phone while driving increases the risk of a fatal accident three
times more than being drunk."

Posted by Captain Scarlet: "You dare tell me about road rage when just a few posts above you said you'd enjoy pulling back right in front of me to cause an accident then putting the blame on me. Now that is road rage."

Excuse me? Can you read Captain Scarlet? It was Willman who threatened to pull out in front of you, not me. So don't go changing it so that it says 'posted by JBeee' instead. :loopy:


Originally posted by willman
watchout for a silver avensis overtaking you then, flashing headlights without due cause or sounding your horn when it is inappropriate will make you liable for any accidents caused.
so when i pull infront & hit the brakes(without activating the brake lights) thinking i have a problem
i'll welcome you into the boot of my car with an insurance claim for dangerous driving.

See? :loopy: I hope the other forumers don't associate me with those remarks - if anyone wants to see what was really said by myself, willman and Mr Perfect himself Captin Scarlett, go to the bottom of page five.

I have reported your post Captin Scarlett, because I don't appreciate being misquoted, not to mention your agressive manner.

You also wrote : "I'm not going to bother reading your posts you're actually worrying me knowing that you're on the roads of Yorkshire, driving like you do. So long then, when you're car empailled into a tree, you'll reconsider speeding."

You are clearly a nasty nasty piece of work. Why would you hope that I'll impale myself on a tree when all I've said is that you flashing to indicate your annoyance at another driver could distract other road users, like me? What a vile thing to wish upon someone totally innocent.

As for the comment about "driving like I do"... I've no idea who that was aimed at, and I don't think you do either! But to that I would say that you don't know me, you've never seen me drive, and I've said nothing in MY posts to indicate that I drive poorly.

For my part I'm heartily glad I'm not on the same roads as you, because if you vent rage at other drivers in the same way that you vent rage on people like me on this forum, just for disagreeing with you, then god help them.

Originally posted by DaBouncer
It's not that they're the bad drivers, it's the idiot who thinks it's fine to honk their horn in inappropriate and dangerous situations.

To think otherwise is... well quite simply nonesense!
Any disagree?

But you missed the main point of my post which was "And what about if it was another car going the other way that had beeped for another reason?"

Originally posted by DaBouncer
Is it? Is it really total nonsense?
I know drivers who are quite nervous and unskilled in the amount of driving hours they have under their belt.
A sudden and prolonged outburst of honking one's horn especially if they were in the direct vicinity of the offending vehicle would cause them to distract their attention from the road and possible veer off causing an accident.

It's not that they're the bad drivers, it's the idiot who thinks it's fine to honk their horn in inappropriate and dangerous situations.

To think otherwise is... well quite simply nonesense!
Any disagree?

I kind of agree in a way Dabouncer. Apoligies though as i'm not read the full posts.

When someone beeps their horn, no matter how loud the first reaction is to look for the culprit, normally to see if it's you who has been peeped at. As you look round it is fair to say that you take your eyes off the road in front of you for a second or two.

However i do beep my horn if i have been forced to slam on my brakes. This is simply to notify the driver of their actions. I believe flashing my lights will simply go unnoticed as the driver isn't really paying attention.

As to the original question considering i haven't read the thread, i do not beep my horn and cant see the point. Simply give them a wide berth.

Originally posted by DaBouncer
The thing is mullers I have nothing against you and am happy to debate an interesting topic with you.
However I grapsed you point from the word go, but you didn't seem to be able to read and understand what I had written.

However we'll call it a truce and move along with the subject.
I feel pretty much the same on this one, but would stress that just because a post is short and to the point does not mean that the poster has not grasped the issue.

Anyway, this one seems to still be steaming along at a fair rate.

This whole thing is getting too silly for words
Why don't you just drop the whole post because you will never agree. Remember the Bible saying" Am I my brothers keeper". Just be aware of the other motorists and treat them as in another Bible phrase " Forgive them, for they know not what they do"

Originally posted by Cyclone
Since you want me to ignore the juvenile insults and actually argue with the rest of your post.


Quite clearly i'm talking to everyone reading this thread, but specifically that reply was to you and to mullers.

I didn't suggest that you were, it was mullers that was. You have been following the thread right?

You understand analogies right? This was an analogy. A jobsworth sticks rigidly to the rules of his job, even to the point of being unhelpful in ways that wouldn't actually inconvience her. Mullers is breaking the rules of the road himself because he is so upset that someone else isn't sticking to those same rules. I saw a similarity in the behaviour, if you can't, well never mind.



Nobody, oooh that's harsh. Oh well, what makes you think that I care about your opinion anymore than anyone cares about mine? Hey, at least I try to make my arguments clear without needing to call you silly names.
By the way - you sound a little bit like Slim when talking about drugs, IT'S ILLEGAL, yes, well, lots of things are, sometimes the government are actually wrong, be an adult and decide for yourself when that is, and obviously be prepared for the consequences if 'they' catch you. Big brother is watching.

Oh really, it's like trying to talk to a child :rolleyes:

In the posting that was apparently addressed to Mullers and myself, it was by no means clear who you were addressing at various points. It would have been nice to have shown us both a little respect by addressing our points spearately, and not trying to lump my arguments in with Mullers. Personally, I don't think it is very sensible to keep pressing your horn at another driver, but it just goes to show how frustrated and concerned motorists are getting at the irresponsible behaviour of others. Anyone using a hand-held mobile in a moving car is a potential hazard - potential FATAL hazard - to others on the road, and all road-users are right to be worried about it.

It's nothing to do with being a jobsworth - it's being quite properly concerned for your own safety, your passengers' safety, and the safety of other road users - which is more than can be said for anyone who uses a hand-held mobile while driving.

It's not an attack on your masculinity, you know, Cyclone :rolleyes: No-one's going to say you're a cissy if you don't use a hand-held. There's far too much testosterone on the roads and far too much on this thread - that's a major reason why people end up dead on our roads.

Do I have to keep repeating my arguments ad nauseam because you can't seem to grasp a simple concept? Using a hand-held mobile is Illegal while driving. It's not going to kill you to comply with the law. It MIGHT kill someone else if you DON'T comply. :(

StarSparkle

Originally posted by prioryx
This whole thing is getting too silly for words
Why don't you just drop the whole post because you will never agree. Remember the Bible saying" Am I my brothers keeper". Just be aware of the other motorists and treat them as in another Bible phrase " Forgive them, for they know not what they do"
We've gone and done it now...the bible squad are wading in!:hihi:

LOL it does actually seem that dabouncer, cyclone and carmine are having a go at me directly. I was just trying to facilitate an debate! A very interesting one too I might add.

:D :D

Originally posted by Carmine
We've gone and done it now...the bible squad are wading in!:hihi:

Haha, oh nos!

Not Bible squad at all. Just trying to get you lot to stop acting like babies and get off the subject or agree to differ You both can't be right or wrong.

Originally posted by prioryx
Not Bible squad at all. Just trying to get you lot to stop acting like babies and get off the subject or agree to differ You both can't be right or wrong.
I have to say that most babies I've come across would be hard pressed to sign into an online forum and debate contempory motoring issues in this manner!:hihi:

Just out of interest, has dabouncer, cyclone or carmine readthe link I posted? Its here again.

I would be intrigued to see what the outcome of your opinions was AFTER reading it.

http://www.rospa.com/roadsafety/info/mobile_phone_report.pdf

Originally posted by mullers
PLUS to drive a manual car with your phone in one hand means the steering wheel is totally "hands-free" every time you change gear.

Very dangerous wouldn't you agree?

Somewhat dangerous i'd say if you're travelling on a straight road and have no need to change gear. Becomes more dangerous if gear changing/steering is required.

if you've got a mobile phone fit a car kit.
they dont cost a lot, and the bandwidth for this discussion could have paid half of it.
i've got 3 cars & all have fitted car kits - its the only responsible thing to do.
now wheres the guy who keeps flashing - wot's his problem???

Originally posted by mullers
Just out of interest, has dabouncer, cyclone or carmine readthe link I posted? Its here again.

I would be intrigued to see what the outcome of your opinions was AFTER reading it.

http://www.rospa.com/roadsafety/info/mobile_phone_report.pdf
I've always maintained that talking on a mobile while driving was dangerous!:help:

What I find most annoying about people who use the phone whilst driving. I tend to notice its the ones driving a luxury car such as a BMW or a Mercedes.

I regularly see some guy driving A black Bentley coupe along Bochum Parkway towards Gleadless Townend in a morning,with mobile phone to his ear. If they can afford to drive such a car...why can't they afford a hands free kit.

Has any one else noticed this.


cheers

Originally posted by Jack_Russell
What I find most annoying about people who use the phone whilst driving. I tend to notice its the ones driving a luxury car such as a BMW or a Mercedes.

I regularly see some guy driving A black Bentley coupe along Bochum Parkway towards Gleadless Townend in a morning,with mobile phone to his ear. If they can afford to drive such a car...why can't they afford a hands free kit.

Has any one else noticed this.


cheers
that'll be the chief of polices chauffeur setting up luncheon, i'm sure

Originally posted by StarSparkle
Oh really, it's like trying to talk to a child :rolleyes:

In the posting that was apparently addressed to Mullers and myself, it was by no means clear who you were addressing at various points. It would have been nice to have shown us both a little respect by addressing our points spearately, and not trying to lump my arguments in with Mullers. Personally, I don't think it is very sensible to keep pressing your horn at another driver, but it just goes to show how frustrated and concerned motorists are getting at the irresponsible behaviour of others. Anyone using a hand-held mobile in a moving car is a potential hazard - potential FATAL hazard - to others on the road, and all road-users are right to be worried about it.

It's nothing to do with being a jobsworth - it's being quite properly concerned for your own safety, your passengers' safety, and the safety of other road users - which is more than can be said for anyone who uses a hand-held mobile while driving.

It's not an attack on your masculinity, you know, Cyclone :rolleyes: No-one's going to say you're a cissy if you don't use a hand-held. There's far too much testosterone on the roads and far too much on this thread - that's a major reason why people end up dead on our roads.

Do I have to keep repeating my arguments ad nauseam because you can't seem to grasp a simple concept? Using a hand-held mobile is Illegal while driving. It's not going to kill you to comply with the law. It MIGHT kill someone else if you DON'T comply. :(

StarSparkle

Sorry, I thought starting a new paragraph with "mullers - " at the start was enough to make it clear. I'll add big flashing lights for you next time.

I do use a hands free kit, and I have a bluetooth hands free which i use for longer journeys, where did I say that I didn't?
I understand that it's illegal, so is smoking canabis, so what, lots of people still do it.

It's nothing to do with being a jobsworth - it's being quite properly concerned for your own safety, your passengers' safety, and the safety of other road users - which is more than can be said for anyone who uses a hand-held mobile while driving.

pulling up next to them and continously sounding your horn is concern for someones safety. I disagree, I think it's being a bit of prat. (Note, i'm not calling you a prat or saying that you do that, incase you get confused again).

Try this message link.

http://www.jokesgallery.com/joke.php?joke=1435&id=1

Originally posted by mullers
Just out of interest, has dabouncer, cyclone or carmine readthe link I posted? Its here again.

I would be intrigued to see what the outcome of your opinions was AFTER reading it.

http://www.rospa.com/roadsafety/info/mobile_phone_report.pdf

give us a chance, I am at work you know. (Shhh, don't tell the boss).

Anyway - I wasn't trying to have a go at your personally, I just strongly disagree with the actions you said you take in your initial post. Pulling up next to someone and sounding your horn continously is wrong, end of story.

Originally posted by StarSparkle
Oh really, it's like trying to talk to a child :rolleyes:

In the posting that was apparently addressed to Mullers and myself, it was by no means clear who you were addressing at various points.

just to help you out, here is the post where you couldn't figure out which bit was to you and which to muller.


stuff starsparkle said
get a grip yourself.
Do you ever scratch your ear, change the stereo, or god forbid talk to a passenger whilst driving the car? All those things are just as dangerous as using a mobile. I didn't understand why talking on the phone was made illegal then and I still don't understand now.

If you didn't understand why I made a reference to jobsworths then i'm not going to bother explaining.

mullers - where's the proof then? A link would be nice, but i'll settle for a quote from a serious study.
Now is it safety that you're concerned about, I don't think it is. You've said that you sound your horn continously at people using a mobile, but not at people talking to passengers and the reason you gave was because the first is illegal. So you seem to be concerned with making everyone follow the law, even though you have no authority to do so far more than you are concerned with safety or actually following the law yourself.
Sounding your horn continously is breaking the highway code as well you know. I wish you'd read my posts before replying.


my emphasis in bold, but I thought that had made it pretty clear.

Originally posted by Cyclone
Sorry, I thought starting a new paragraph with "mullers - " at the start was enough to make it clear. I'll add big flashing lights for you next time.

I do use a hands free kit, and I have a bluetooth hands free which i use for longer journeys, where did I say that I didn't?
I understand that it's illegal, so is smoking canabis, so what, lots of people still do it.



pulling up next to them and continously sounding your horn is concern for someones safety. I disagree, I think it's being a bit of prat. (Note, i'm not calling you a prat or saying that you do that, incase you get confused again).

It's funny how I don't 'get confused' with anyone else's posts, Cyclone - just yours. That suggests to me it's you who doesn't write clearly and not a problem with my comprehension.

Are you really saying you pick-and-choose which laws you choose to obey? Well, bully for you - what makes you so much more important than the rest of us that gives you this privilege? :suspect: I'm hearing that little word 'arrogant' again - and I do believe it's not just me who's used it about you. Perhaps you ought to pay attention abd think about that a bit - or do you really have a serious testosterone problem?

And I thought I said that I don't think that continuously honking your horn at someone is a good idea? So what's with your third paragraph? Or do you simply not understand English? I'm beginning to think not. You really should stay out of complex debate - your reasoning skills are not up to it.

StarSparkle

i think you got the last word SS.
it was close.

Originally posted by Cyclone
I do use a hands free kit, and I have a bluetooth hands free which i use for longer journeys, where did I say that I didn't?
I understand that it's illegal, so is smoking canabis, so what, lots of people still do it.


This is another bad example. Smoking cannabis only endangers your own life - not those of others. The point with using your mobile in the car, or any other kind of reckless driving, is that usually it is the innocent that you smash into who gets killed, and not yourself.

Frankly I couldn't careless if some plonker talking on a phone without hands free while driving wrapped him/herself round a tree. But I would care if the phone user smashed into an innocent family travelling in the opposite direction.

thats it it's gonna start again now.
wot about drug users driving blah blah blah.

it would be better if a basic speaker & mic were fitted to every car from new, then by purchasing a simple usb type cable for your own phone you would legal & safe.
problem solved except for old cars but eventually all old cars would be replaced.

Originally posted by StarSparkle
It's funny how I don't 'get confused' with anyone else's posts, Cyclone - just yours. That suggests to me it's you who doesn't write clearly and not a problem with my comprehension.

Are you really saying you pick-and-choose which laws you choose to obey? Well, bully for you - what makes you so much more important than the rest of us that gives you this privilege? :suspect: I'm hearing that little word 'arrogant' again - and I do believe it's not just me who's used it about you. Perhaps you ought to pay attention abd think about that a bit - or do you really have a serious testosterone problem?

And I thought I said that I don't think that continuously honking your horn at someone is a good idea? So what's with your third paragraph? Or do you simply not understand English? I'm beginning to think not. You really should stay out of complex debate - your reasoning skills are not up to it.

StarSparkle

like I said, i'll go for big flashing lights next time, as starting a paragraph with someone elses name isn't clear enough for you.
Funny how it was only you that got confused though, no one else. This suggests to me that it's you who has a comprehension problem and not a problem with my posts.
You still continue to try to take things out of context or actually just plain don't understand. The jobsworth comment was directly related to mullers post about blowing the horn continously. Are you with me. So when you say that his behaviour appears to be about safety you are endorsing said blowing of the horn. Still hanging on? So, do you or do you not agree with the OP's post about blowing the horn, and if you do not, then try to understand that it was that behaviour that I was likening to a jobsworth, clear?

JBee good point, although the cannabis smoking was just an example of people breaking a law.
I don't like inconsistency, and I see this law as inconsistent. There are plenty of other behaviours in a car which are just as dangerous, so why single this one out for legislation? Why not smoking, why not eating, why not taking a hand off the wheel to wave to a friend?
There was already sufficient legislation for the police to prosecute dangerous drivers, why did it need a seperate offence?

Originally posted by mullers
Just out of interest, has dabouncer, cyclone or carmine readthe link I posted? Its here again.

I would be intrigued to see what the outcome of your opinions was AFTER reading it.

http://www.rospa.com/roadsafety/info/mobile_phone_report.pdf
Why do I need to read it?
I've never argued to prove driving whilst using a mobile phone is safe, right or in any way justified?
I know the statistics and I know the law, ergo why re-read what I am already aware of?

Neither Cyclone, Carmine or myself are having a go at you in the slightest just to have a go.
We're disagreeing to one degree or another and responding accordingly.

Please... PLEASE start to understand that point!

Originally posted by Cyclone
like I said, i'll go for big flashing lights next time, as starting a paragraph with someone elses name isn't clear enough for you.
Funny how it was only you that got confused though, no one else. This suggests to me that it's you who has a comprehension problem and not a problem with my posts.
You still continue to try to take things out of context or actually just plain don't understand. The jobsworth comment was directly related to mullers post about blowing the horn continously. Are you with me. So when you say that his behaviour appears to be about safety you are endorsing said blowing of the horn. Still hanging on? So, do you or do you not agree with the OP's post about blowing the horn, and if you do not, then try to understand that it was that behaviour that I was likening to a jobsworth, clear?


Oooooh, we are getting touchy, aren't we?

I find it sad that you can only make completely ridiculous comments about my powers of comprehension, while making no attempt to counter my arguments. I really think you are stupid - nothing in your last paragraph relates to anything I have said - I think you're off in fairyland, imagining seeing what you want to see :loopy:

I AM NOT ENDORSING MULLERS' COMMENTS ABOUT CONTINUOUSLY HONKING YOUR HORN AT A MOBILE PHONE-USER WHO'S DRIVING - I can't make it plainer than that. I don't think that is sensible. But neither is ignoring the behaviour of these drivers, as their behaviour IS going to lead to accidents. Some action needs taking somewhere.

You have serious problems if you think you can ignore those laws that you, personally, don't like. The rules of the road are there to try to keep the roads free of accidents and motorists ALIVE. They're there for the ultimate benefit of all.

You really need to grow up, Cyclone. You're not the most important person in the world. People's lives are more important than your silly little phonecalls.

StarSparkle

OK....methinks time to calm down here?

Take deep breaths, folks!

Don't let's head in to name calling.

Joe

Originally posted by StarSparkle
Oooooh, we are getting touchy, aren't we?

No, just trying to explain to you, I guess i'm still talking too fast though


I find it sad that you can only make completely ridiculous comments about my powers of comprehension,
pot, kettle, I direct you to your previous post.
Originally posted by StarSparkle
[B]It's funny how I don't 'get confused' with anyone else's posts, Cyclone - just yours. That suggests to me it's you who doesn't write clearly and not a problem with my comprehension.


Looks like you started the little comprehension spat now doesn't it.


while making no attempt to counter my arguments. I really think you are stupid - nothing in your last paragraph relates to anything I have said - I think you're off in fairyland, imagining seeing what you want to see :loopy:
If you really can't see the link then just forget it. You didn't like my analogy about a jobsworth, and at the end of the day the reason you didn't like it is because you just don't understand it. Forget it, it wasn't that important.


I AM NOT ENDORSING MULLERS' COMMENTS ABOUT CONTINUOUSLY HONKING YOUR HORN AT A MOBILE PHONE-USER WHO'S DRIVING - I can't make it plainer than that. I don't think that is sensible. But neither is ignoring the behaviour of these drivers, as their behaviour IS going to lead to accidents. Some action needs taking somewhere.
Good, my jobsworth comment was directed purely at his horn blowing.


You have serious problems if you think you can ignore those laws that you, personally, don't like. The rules of the road are there to try to keep the roads free of accidents and motorists ALIVE. They're there for the ultimate benefit of all.

yeah, and Tony Blair loves every one of us. I agree that one of us has some growing up to do.


You really need to grow up, Cyclone. You're not the most important person in the world. People's lives are more important than your silly little phonecalls.

StarSparkle

Well, i'm glad you know enough about my phonecalls (and indeed my handsfree use that i mentioned earlier) to be able to call them silly and little.
It must make you feel really good being such a clever girl.

Originally posted by Cyclone
No, just trying to explain to you, I guess i'm still talking too fast though


pot, kettle, I direct you to your previous post.

Looks like you started the little comprehension spat now doesn't it.



If you really can't see the link then just forget it. You didn't like my analogy about a jobsworth, and at the end of the day the reason you didn't like it is because you just don't understand it. Forget it, it wasn't that important.


Good, my jobsworth comment was directed purely at his horn blowing.



yeah, and Tony Blair loves every one of us. I agree that one of us has some growing up to do.



Well, i'm glad you know enough about my phonecalls (and indeed my handsfree use that i mentioned earlier) to be able to call them silly and little.
It must make you feel really good being such a clever girl.

You make yourself look more foolish with every word you utter.

You're a lost cause :rolleyes:

Starsparkle

Cyclone, Starsparkle

I've asked people to keep this calm, and away from name calling, so please do so.

Thank you.

Originally posted by willman
thats it it's gonna start again now.
wot about drug users driving blah blah blah.

it would be better if a basic speaker & mic were fitted to every car from new, then by purchasing a simple usb type cable for your own phone you would legal & safe.
problem solved except for old cars but eventually all old cars would be replaced.

It would be better if they fitted a device that cut off any signal for mobile phones when the engine is running

Originally posted by prioryx
It would be better if they fitted a device that cut off any signal for mobile phones when the engine is running

no need for that - anyone with hands free fitted shouldnt have to suffer 'cos of other idiots.

Originally posted by AlquarUK
smoking should be banned behind the wheel IMHO.

smoke in the eyes, not concentrating to light a fag etc etc.

dangerous. If you can't eat how can smoking be any safer?

Jeeez! Give us smokers a break. Our own homes and vehicles are the last places we can conduct our filthy habit
:rolleyes::lol:

Originally posted by DaBouncer
Why do I need to read it?

Because you have admitted to speaking on your phone whilst driving. I thought was was obvious?

The stats in there may make you think twice.

Originally posted by mullers
Because you have admitted to speaking on your phone whilst driving. I thought was was obvious?

The stats in there may make you think twice.
My god, you STILL dont get it do you.
FFS go back and re-read everything I've written.

It's like trying to educate someone with no brain power.
I DONT STILL DO IT!

I don't need to think twice, I turn off my [censored] phone when I get in the car these days as I have [cencored] told you already.

Looks like somebody should have been beeped (http://207.44.188.226/Humor/sight/images/HighwaySign.jpg) :hihi:

My god, you STILL dont get it do you.
FFS go back and re-read everything I've written.

It's like trying to educate someone with no brain power.
I DONT STILL DO IT!

I don't need to think twice, I turn off my [censored] phone when I get in the car these days as I have [cencored] told you already.

But you DID say that you couldn't promise that you WOULDN'T do it again, didn't you?

All I'm saying (and listen very carefully again), that you should make sure that you DEFINATELY DON'T do it again, and that article may help you make this decision.

Is that so difficult for you to comprehend? Why are you getting so worked up?

All i'm doing is offering some advice that will benefit both your own safety and the sancuary of other road users (not to mention pedestrians).

If you don't understand this, I'm not sure I can really put it any simpler.

Don, someone already posted that one earlier. :P

Mullers - you're so hard work, do you have a brain in your head? Does it have the capability to retain knowledge? Does it have the capability to understand.

I have stated that my I have used my phone while driving.
I have stated that these days turn off my phone before getting in my car unless I have my bluetooth headset with me.
I have stated that it is impossible for anyone to say whether or not they will use their phone while driving in the future because no one knows what situation would call for it (think emergency, re-read my posts). Anyone who says that they can 100% guarantee not to use a mobile phone whilst driving EVER AGAIN is a liar or deluded because no one can give that guarantee.
I have stated I am well aware of facts and figures of road accident statistics due to using mobile phones so I don't need disuading.

Now... can that be simple enough for you?
Feel free to once again repeat yourself and your inate ramblings! :roll:

Originally posted by willman
no need for that - anyone with hands free fitted shouldnt have to suffer 'cos of other idiots.

Using a hands-free kit is also shown to be a significant distraction whilst driving, and if the police notice you are driving erratically or dangerously whilst using one you can also be charged with driving without due care and attention/dangerous driving.

http://www.rospa.com/roadsafety/advice/driving/mobile_phones.htm

MOD: Much as we are all enjoying the exchange of frank and informative posts would you ALL please refrain from personal jibes and comments. Thanks.

I cannot talk on my mobile AND hold a can of beer at the same time, it is impossible so one had to go and it was the phone.

One day though someone did beep at me, and they got the usual reserved response. GO FORTH (http://www.tormedia.info/two%20fingers%20blaen.jpg)

Originally posted by DaBouncer
I have stated that it is impossible for anyone to say whether or not they will use their phone while driving...

All the sensible people on here have said they would never use it? I can say 100% that I would NEVER do it because I turn my phone off and put it in my bag in the boot. What would be so urgent that you couldn't pull over and use it safely? (or get a headset, or turn it off until your journey is complete, or you have made a stop)

Originally posted by mullers
All the sensible people on here have said they would never use it? I can say 100% that I would NEVER do it because I turn my phone off and put it in my bag in the boot. What would be so urgent that you couldn't pull over and use it safely? (or get a headset, or turn it off until your journey is complete, or you have made a stop)
What's the point.
I've said all I need to say.

It's up to you whether or not you start to understand. :roll:

Viking, I like that response personally myself. It's an old favourite of mine when people honk their horns in my general direction. :P

Originally posted by mullers
All the sensible people on here have said they would never use it?
Thank you Mullers.:suspect:

Originally posted by DaBouncer
What's the point.


The point is, using your mobile phone whilst driving is dangerous.

Comprende?

Originally posted by DaBouncer
It's an old favourite of mine when people honk their horns in my general direction. :P

So you get honked at a lot then? Im not surprised.

Originally posted by willman
well your copies out of date. but then again if you like to keep people @ 30 mph on country lanes its probably pre war anyway.

unfortunately pulling in would be as a result of your bad driving,bad attitude & lack of ability to drive like a normal person.so yours is raod rage mine is a responsible manouvere responding to a lunatic driver flashing his lights,pretending to a policeman.

(you really ought to review your actions to see how easily they can be misconstrued into an awful lot of "psychological" issues if the police are called for. I amn going to try and speak in english, so I know that we're speaking the same language and so you may understand what you're reading.

Me: road, driving at the limit, in my lane, not on the phone <= normal ?
You (as quoted): road, over the limit, speeding, overtaking <= not normal.
Me: flash you.
You: Stick fingers out <= certainly not normal.

Do you understand or can I quote every single one of your posts and compile all the bad habits you have that are an infringement of the law ? right, no more reading this thread :)

OWNED !! (http://www.owned.com/Owned_Pictures/tysonkidowned.jpg)

you flashing people <--- not normal, potentially illegal, certainly dangerous.

Let them get on with driving and concentrate on your own, or join the police and get some blue lights to pull them over.

Originally posted by mullers
So you get honked at a lot then? Im not surprised.
I'm sorry, who was the one who got told to f*** off by another motorist? That was you.

I don't feel the need to justify anything I write or do anymore... that has been done enough.
You're obviously too inept to understand.

Carry on honking at motorists when you see them on the phone.
You'll be the one with the fixed penalty and 3 points on your licence while the offending mobile user will just enjoy the fine if he/she is caught.

Now that's poetic justice :lol:

Originally posted by DaBouncer
I'm sorry, who was the one who got told to f*** off by another motorist? That was you.

I don't feel the need to justify anything I write or do anymore... that has been done enough.
You're obviously too inept to understand.

Carry on honking at motorists when you see them on the phone.
You'll be the one with the fixed penalty and 3 points on your licence while the offending mobile user will just enjoy the fine if he/she is caught.

Now that's poetic justice :lol:

LOL, right time to explain things to you like a baby again.

I never actually said anywhere that I honk people when i see them on their phones, just because they're on their phones, so pick your dummy up. I said I honked the woman who almost crashed into me BECAUSE she almost crashed into me, not solely because she was on her phone. Still with me? I doubt it, but I'll carry on anyway. I bet you right now that there is only you and your jumped up little attitude problem that would disagree with what I did in my first post, where the woman in the 4x4 on her phone who cut me up on the roundabout and therefore got a beep from me. Would you not have done the same if she had almost smashed you off the road? I would have done it whether she was on her phone or not. Simple as that.

this is getting boring now- can you 2 just agree to disagree?

I think we should start a poll....

;)

Originally posted by Captain_Scarlet
I amn going to try and speak in english, so I know that we're speaking the same language and so you may understand what you're reading.

Me: road, driving at the limit, in my lane, not on the phone <= normal ?
You (as quoted): road, over the limit, speeding, overtaking <= not normal.
Me: flash you.
You: Stick fingers out <= certainly not normal.

Do you understand or can I quote every single one of your posts and compile all the bad habits you have that are an infringement of the law ? right, no more reading this thread :)

OWNED !! (http://www.owned.com/Owned_Pictures/tysonkidowned.jpg)


why is overtaking not normal? its legal so its normal.
get a highway code read it & digest.
i never ever lower myself to sticking two fingers up or mouthing rude words at other drivers wether breaking the law or not, u must have me confused with the guy u see in the mirror.

i have no bad habits at all.
all my driving habits were all explicitly explained and none infringed the law - read up n them before you repost. And all were a direct response to your ILLEGAL use of lights to flash.
you dont seem to grasp the point that you were the one in the wrong, as mentioned by other forum members.
please feel free to requote all my bad habits including all your original posts and childish name calling

Originally posted by mullers
LOL, right time to explain things to you like a baby again.

I never actually said anywhere that I honk people when i see them on their phones, just because they're on their phones, so pick your dummy up. I said I honked the woman who almost crashed into me BECAUSE she almost crashed into me, not solely because she was on her phone. Still with me? I doubt it, but I'll carry on anyway. I bet you right now that there is only you and your jumped up little attitude problem that would disagree with what I did in my first post, where the woman in the 4x4 on her phone who cut me up on the roundabout and therefore got a beep from me. Would you not have done the same if she had almost smashed you off the road? I would have done it whether she was on her phone or not. Simple as that.
It's annoying when people just don't listen isn't it ;)
I know exactly what you said and took it in, however I also know that stating that you do honk your horn at motorists on their mobile phones was the only way to demonstrate my point.

Seriously. It's easy when you put your mind into it :roll:

MOD: Last warning, no more bickering or this thread gets locked for a cooling down period.

Originally posted by DaBouncer
It's annoying when people just don't listen isn't it ;)
I know exactly what you said and took it in, however I also know that stating that you do honk your horn at motorists on their mobile phones was the only way to demonstrate my point.

Seriously. It's easy when you put your mind into it :roll:

Thanks for clearing that up. I just didn't have time to sit and analyze your vague post.

You may as well delete it Max. I think most people are ****** off with the thread now anyway. You're right, we're bickering and there has been no new ideas/additions to the thread.