Would it be ironic if George died today on the dat that 24 hour drinking comes into effect.

Originally posted by carcrash
Would it be ironic if George died today on the dat that 24 hour drinking comes into effect.

Sympathetic soul, I dont' think!:)

Maybe the drinks industry are like Prophets from the Old Testament and can see into the future?

Maybe they're having to bring in 24 hour boozing to compensate?

Afterall, if it were to happen, they'd be losing one of their biggest sponsors.

And I don't mean to be heartless with this post. Get Well Soon, George.

Hick.

Originally posted by carcrash
Would it be ironic if George died today on the dat that 24 hour drinking comes into effect.

According to the news your prediction may well be coming true as we type.

The doctors have just said that he won't recover and his hours are numbered.

Legend Best 'enters final hours' (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4465456.stm)

So we are going to have the next few days full of the usual glib platitudes, tears, minutes silence, and all the other crap that goes off when somebody like this dies.
He was a fantastic footballer but that is all he was.
To me he was an alcholic wifebeater who wasted his life and when he got another chance due to somebody elses misfortune he wasted that as well.

Originally posted by carcrash
So we are going to have the next few days full of the usual glib platitudes, tears, minutes silence, and all the other crap that goes off when somebody like this dies.
He was a fantastic footballer but that is all he was.
To me he was an alcholic wifebeater who wasted his life and when he got another chance due to somebody elses misfortune he wasted that as well.

Totally agreed!
Even though he was a legend for my club, he cant make up for the fact that he is a wife beating alki son of a bitch!

You hit a woman- you dont deserve to live in my eyes.

I agree with Angelus, anyone who hits a woman is a complete w*****, so he's dying, i dare say his ex wives aren't gonna be too upset.
Although he was a brilliant football player in his day, every DOG has its day, and George's time is up, it comes to all of us, but no wonder his body has had enough with all the abuse he has given it over the years.
Ah well, RIP george best (tho he hasnt gone yet, it'll be within the next 12 hrs i reckon)

Originally posted by ANGELUS
Totally agreed!
Even though he was a legend for my club, he cant make up for the fact that he is a wife beating alki son of a bitch!

You hit a woman- you dont deserve to live in my eyes.


Be quiet Angelus. Just for once.

Originally posted by Guderian
Be quiet Angelus. Just for once.


I think Angelus has a fair point.

Originally posted by Guderian
Be quiet Angelus. Just for once.

Sorry fella.. I know how you feel about the guy being a fellow red but it has to be said, that Georgie boy has wasted his life.

The guy is still a red legend and always will be and I thank him for everything he has done for us- but still, you hit a lady.. legend or no legend- you go down bigtime in my estimation.

Originally posted by spyro2000
I think Angelus has a fair point.

Spyro, it's hard to concur with Angelus's opinion on this for several reasons.
I regularly come on here (the forum) and read posts from members that for instance advocate clemency for such reprehensible human beings as Saddam Hussein, they've excercised understanding for Islamo-facist suicide bombers and other odious members of the human race.

George Best was a footballing genius better informed people than you or I have said that with consistent regularity for many years. The downside of genius is that sometimes it comes with faults. George's was alcohol and all the faults that come with that. His stardom 40 years ago came like a bolt out of the blue, his then manager, Matt Busby, didn't know how to manage it and sadly George fell into an abyss. Stars today are better managed and generally they are shepherded away from the ills but even after the lessons learnt from Best there are exceptions, Paul Gascoigne, Paul Merson and Tony Adams being the most notable.

I was born in the 60's and Bestie, although unfortunately never an Everton player, was a football inspiration to millions of kids like myself. Millions of football spectators thrilled on his performances even though their team was probably on the losing side because of him. I've actually posted on a Man U website tonight about Bestie. On the same thread there were posts from fans of countless other clubs rejoicing in what he brought to the game.

Yes Angelus is right, George drank too much, might have hit his wife/girlfriend and at times made a total **** of himself but he did bring pleasure to many, many people during his football career and even afterwards.

He had flaws and frailties, we've all got those but some of the comments made about him don't rank him alongside what should be reserved for Ian Huntley, Brady or some other repugnant individual.

Originally posted by daverity
Spyro, it's hard to concur with Angelus's opinion on this for several reasons.
I regularly come on here (the forum) and read posts from members that for instance advocate clemency for such reprehensible human beings as Saddam Hussein, they've excercised understanding for Islamo-facist suicide bombers and other odious members of the human race.

George Best was a footballing genius better informed people than you or I have said that with consistent regularity for many years. The downside of genius is that sometimes it comes with faults. George's was alcohol and all the faults that come with that. His stardom 40 years ago came like a bolt out of the blue, his then manager, Matt Busby, didn't know how to manage it and sadly George fell into an abyss. Stars today are better managed and generally they are shepherded away from the ills but even after the lessons learnt from Best there are exceptions, Paul Gascoigne, Paul Merson and Tony Adams being the most notable.

I was born in the 60's and Bestie, although unfortunately never an Everton player, was a football inspiration to millions of kids like myself. Millions of football spectators thrilled on his performances even though their team was probably on the losing side because of him. I've actually posted on a Man U website tonight about Bestie. On the same thread there were posts from fans of countless other clubs rejoicing in what he brought to the game.

Yes Angelus is right, George drank too much, might have hit his wife/girlfriend and at times made a total tw@t of himself but he did bring pleasure to many, many people during his football career and even afterwards.

He had flaws and frailties, we've all got those but some of the comments made about him don't rank him alongside what should be reserved for Ian Huntley, Brady or some other repugnant individual.

You also make fair points...

...but imo his footballing ability has nothing to do with my opinion on his situation right now. Yes he was a legend on the football pitch, but what it boils down to is that he treated his woman like crap and wasted the rest of his life to drink.

This is why I thihnk Angelus has a fair point, because Angelus can split the football away from this situation, they are 2 different things. If he wasnt a legend I would still feel the same way. It makes no difference at all to my opinion.

Admittedly, George has done a lot wrong.
But I generally think he was screwed up from a young age, and needed help that he didnt receive.
Rather, there were always people there to take advantage of him, and deep down he was very lonely.

Originally posted by spyro2000
You also make fair points...

...but imo his footballing ability has nothing to do with my opinion on his situation right now. Yes he was a legend on the football pitch, but what it boils down to is that he treated his woman like crap and wasted the rest of his life to drink.

This is why I thihnk Angelus has a fair point, because Angelus can split the football away from this situation, they are 2 different things. If he wasnt a legend I would still feel the same way. It makes no difference at all to my opinion.
The fact is without his footballing ability we wouldn't be having this debate now. I've personally experienced someone who fell foul to alcohol.
Angelus is correct about George's shortcomings, they have been nothing to be proud of but my point is some of the comments made here and other threads a week or two ago, should have been reserved for the Saddam Husseins of this world.
Guderian probably summed it up well, with 'just be quiet for once'. :thumbsup:

Originally posted by Guderian
Admittedly, George has done a lot wrong.
But I generally think he was screwed up from a young age, and needed help that he didnt receive.
Rather, there were always people there to take advantage of him, and deep down he was very lonely.

Theres no excuse for some of the stuff he has done :mad:

Forget the wifebeating stuff. the fact is he robbed somebody a lot more worthy of a liver transplant and then carried on drinking. He should have died 3 years ago and given someone else the chance of a decent life.

Drunk scum.

harsh words,,,sad to say but true words

Originally posted by coopster1974
Forget the wifebeating stuff. the fact is he robbed somebody a lot more worthy of a liver transplant and then carried on drinking. He should have died 3 years ago and given someone else the chance of a decent life.

Drunk scum.

Golly Coopster74.

You won't have any problems deciding what to dress up as at any Christmas/New Year Fancy Dress Party, will you?

You can obviously go as God Almighty.

('He who is without sin' etc, should be familiar.)

Originally posted by Ousetunes
Golly Coopster74.

You won't have any problems deciding what to dress up as at any Christmas/New Year Fancy Dress Party, will you?

You can obviously go as God Almighty.

('He who is without sin' etc, should be familiar.)

Sure, I agree completely.


"Judge a man by his questions rather than by his answers"

Voltaire

A statement is about to be read from the west London hospital where George Best has been for the last few days. It had to come eventualy. This Irish son has lived the life of lifes & like everything else, you reap what you sow. I hate all sports but I like this person, arts an all.

When?? Where did you here this?

Talk Sport. Go to MW if you not got digital then its 1089 or somewhere round there. They are waiting outside the hospital now.

They announced it on Hallam FM at 13:00, he has died.

:(

Dead (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4380332.stm)

Originally posted by Meaks
Dead (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4380332.stm)

Could you be any more vague?? :hihi:


:( :( :(

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4380332.stm

here u go

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4380332.stm

Please let's not see any posts saying he deserved to die o any rubbish like that - let's just remember him on the football pitch.

Good on you George, sleep well.

well, the world loses a once great sportsman.

george best has died sad as it is i hope we are not going to have total coverage of a so called legend and hero

He might be many things but how can you say he's a 'so called legend and hero'

:loopy:

thats what i said he was not a hero

Was expecting this today, I really thought he would have 'expired' yesterday!

Thoughts are with his family and friends.

Despite his heavy drinking he hardly has wasted his life, he's had a hell of a journey though!!

:(

Sadly George Best was ill, not the devil incarnate.

He is also a perfect example of how some people are unable to control the things that are offered to them that go with the lifestyle that they are encouraged by others to enter into.

He isn't the first, and he won't be the last. At the end of the day he proved to us all that he was only human in the most excruciatingly public fashion, which he knew about and wanted to change. Sadly his addiction was an illness that he couldn't cure.

The man was probably one of the 5 best footballers of all time. He should be remembered for that, not the indiscretions brought upon him by a business that doesn't care about its people.

RIP George. When you were what you could be you really were the Best.

I don't like football but he was a great player, and I think it is very sad. He seemed to have a lot of demons to battle with, and now his battle is over.

Originally posted by lint
thats what i said he was not a hero

I was saying how can you call him 'so called'. There's absolutely no doubt that he's a footballing hero and legend. That's not my opinion, it's a fact.

he might be a football legend but a hero no. the word is used too lightly now ,im sure a true hero would not have wasted the chance of a life like he has

I know it was expected and I know he brought it on himself - but I still cant help feeling sad. He was still someones son and someones dad and for those reasons alone it is a sad day.

R.I.P George.

Originally posted by Ellybum
I know it was expected and I know he brought it on himself - but I still cant help feeling sad. He was still someones son and someones dad and for those reasons alone it is a sad day.

R.I.P George.

True. A death is a death, and you have to be heartless to not to feel sad about his passing.

Originally posted by lint
he might be a football legend but a hero no. the word is used too lightly now ,im sure a true hero would not have wasted the chance of a life like he has

lint, I'm referring to his footballing abilities, not what he did afterwards. He influenced tens of thousands of kids when in his prime and for me was a footballing hero.

Quote:
Originally posted by lint
he might be a football legend but a hero no. the word is used too lightly now ,im sure a true hero would not have wasted the chance of a life like he has
if you read my first post i said that it was sad hed died,but i thought poeple on here were allowed an opinion ,and alot of other threads and forums think the same i was only saying what i thought not apologising for that

George Best - Football legend - Flawed genious - frail human being - no ones ever been perfect, nor will they ever be.

R.I.P - I for one will remember the football.

Originally posted by lint
he might be a football legend but a hero no. the word is used too lightly now ,im sure a true hero would not have wasted the chance of a life like he has

Thats what the powers that be do to a young kid from Ireland who before football had no money or fame ,they gave him all that and more- was his problems all his fault?

Whatever he was - footballing legend, hero to those who he gave pleasure with his football or just a rich, wasted drunkard! he was still human and deserves abit of sympathy.

RIP GB.

I remember George Best at his best ......... but talking about football a Greek friend of my husbands told him that the safest country to play football matches in now is England, is this true ? he also said the reason was that the Brits are getting tougher with the crowds and that they can raise hell in the stands but the minute they set foot on the grass it could lead to a 5 year jail sentence........true or not ?

well said barnie !
i second all you just said !
george best was only human ! and we all make mistakes !
and his family and friends loved him for who he was ! as we all do our family and friends !
R.I.P GEORGE BEST
HE WHO CASTS THE FIRST STONE ........................

George Best played for Ireland 37 times and was a member of the Manchester United team that won the European Cup in 1968, the year George was voted European footballer of the year.
His many fans followed him for his skillful football playing, his exceedingly good looks and for his warm personality.
Sadly, he was unable to maintain his health as the years of overindulgence took their toll, but he was, nonetheless, thought very highly of as he struggled to escape his alcoholism.
I hope that this thread supersedes the untimely and unpleasant comments I have already seen in the Forum.
This man deserves more...and I am not a football fan, just someone who has grown up watching his highs and lows.
He was famously quoted as saying that he had spent all his money on wine, women and fast cars.. and squandered the rest.
Rest in Peace, George!

Mod note: threads merged

I have to say I found the newspapers very entertaining this morning - full of trubutes to George Best, before the poor bugger even took his last breath!

I have a mental picture of newspaper editors across the land tapping their feet impatiently as they waited for him to cark it, and then finally thinking: 'bugger it, he's as good as dead, run the tributes. Lets all have Friday off.'

Fortunately, when all the news surrounding his all too soon demise fades away then what will remain on the shelves in shops will be DVDs and books to remind everyone of what a wonderful player he was.

That will be George's legacy, not the sad and frankly pathetic way his life was taken from him.

As others have said, the guy suffered an illness. IMO, he would have been an alcoholic irrespective of whether he was a world famous footballer or not.

Sadly, some posters on this forum have used this opportunity to proclaim what a disgrace this man was. A man has died and a family is in mourning.

If that in itself doesn't deserve respect, then I think at least it merits some keeping to one's self one's thoughts.

It's a sad day to see a footballing legend like Best pass away. Not having been old enough to ever watch him play in the flesh, tapes of his matches and replays on TV as a kid never failed to inspire me.

Yes he struggled, just like many footballers do today, Tony Adams, Paul Merson to name but two. He overcame his problems, and was a former alcoholic. Yes, his death is probably ultimately down to his addictions, but he was not drinking himself to death, he died as a result of a mental problem he suffered from years ago.

He was a footballing legend and in my eyes a hero, and it is a sad, sad day. RIP.

http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=73707

Farewell to a true Football legend...Pele described George Best as the greatest player in the world and he deserved the accolade.

Sympathy and kind wishes to his family and friends.

any idea if theres going to be a minutes silence at all the games tomorrow ?

Yes - all Premier and football league matches

Originally posted by JBee
I have to say I found the newspapers very entertaining this morning - full of trubutes to George Best, before the poor bugger even took his last breath!

I have a mental picture of newspaper editors across the land tapping their feet impatiently as they waited for him to cark it, and then finally thinking: 'bugger it, he's as good as dead, run the tributes. Lets all have Friday off.'

I know what you mean for today I pulled out a special 10-page tribute telling me what a legend he was. Was? He was still alive (well at that moment in time) !!

Don't get me wrong, most of me wished he'd just kick the bucket so to stop these news reports and give him the dignified death he deserved.....but a part of me also wanted him to make a full recovery to screw them all on Fleet Street!!

They couldn't wait a day knowing he'd be dead soon enough.....the reason.....they don't sell as many papers on a Saturday!!!!

:rant:

Originally posted by poppins
I remember George Best at his best ......... but talking about football a Greek friend of my husbands told him that the safest country to play football matches in now is England, is this true ? he also said the reason was that the Brits are getting tougher with the crowds and that they can raise hell in the stands but the minute they set foot on the grass it could lead to a 5 year jail sentence........true or not ?


Well i guess none of this is true then... too bad i was hoping it was.

George Best is lying in hospital when the nurse approaches him "george" she said "ive got some good news and some bad news"

"give me the bad news first" replied george

"ok" "you have one day to live"

"omg" gasped george

"what can be the good news then"

"its happy hour downstairs" the nurse said


:thumbsup: RIP George

Sympathy wishes to his family

I think he was the greatest footballer that's ever lived, he certainly was a legend and my heart goes out to his family. Regardless of what he decided to spend his wealth on that was up to him.

Originally posted by Ousetunes
A man has died and a family is in mourning
true...but from what we are meant to understand he got a liver transplant when others were waiting... so for all we know someone (not famous) has died since for being put further down the que.

George Best was the best, IMO there was only one other footballer that was fit to tie his boots, so to speak, and that was Pele....

He was the epitome of footballing... such talent.

only one complaint...

Why do they always show the *one* clip of him playing against Sheffield United, and him getting those goals against us!!! lol

I remember singing in the playground, "Georgie Best, superstar,
Carries a hand bag and wears a bra" lol... happy days.

My all-time favourite Bestie story?

A porter walks into the hotel bedroom, and finds Georgie sprawled out, drunk, on a bed with a beauty queen.. empty champagne bottles and piles of fifty-pound notes strewn around them.

Porter shakes his head, sadly, and says "Oh, Georgie, where did it all go wrong?"

PT

well i cant say it was a shock, everybody knew it was coming.



i see the knockers are out in force :P he died from enjoying himself AFTER he did the best job he could playing football

and to all those knockers who say he shouldnt have had a transplant ..................why? he did try to give up drinking, unfortunately he'd already passed the point of no return, after youve been drinking 30 years or so i suppose its hard to stop, i find it hard enough to not drink after about 20 years........and i never drank as much as him


why not concentrate on him being one of the greatest football players instead

R.I.P

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As a footballer Best was a genius,but alchohol not only destroyed his life but those nearest to him,his wives,son & his close family,seeing his father & brother on the news was sad to see.But a few weeks ago people were being stopped in the street all over the country & they all said he brought it on himself even in Manchester & now they are all saying what a great man.??R.I.P. Georgie

I have read all the comments on George Best, and those amongst us who seem to be taking a delight in the great mans death ought to hang your heads in shame.

George never tried to blame anyone else for his problems, he acknowledged that drink was his Nemesis, and sadly it has seen the death of the greatest footballer ever to have pulled on boots.

George, Rest in Peace, you will always have a special place in my heart. Thank you.

George, Rest in Peace, you will always have a special place in my heart.

Thank you.

I'm still getting this mug (http://www.tshirtsunited.com/images/designs/nextgeorgebest_mug.jpg) but i'm adding + (and a coffin) as a sign of my respect. You and Oli Reed were my heros growing up. I had no ****ing chance did I?:(

R.I.P. Thanks for the great football memory.

I take no delight in his death. I'm ****** off with the media over their reaction. At the same time his death was announced there was a police press conference in bradford asking for infomation about 3 people wanted n connection with the murder of the police woman last week. So which did the media classify as more important 3 armed police murderers, their names and what they look like or announcing the death of somebody we all knew was going to die.

I'm a football fan who is too young to have seen him play live but the things I've seen on tv over the years that he did leaves me with very little doubt that he was one of the best 3 players ever. I would argue that maradona was number 1 but I'm from a generation that got to see him live or on tv ( another deeply flawed human being).

What ****** me off with best was the fact he stopped drinking for a year before his transplant because he had to and as soon as he could start drinking again he did.

I've grown up for many many years with the contiuas "my drink hell" stories that he sold to whatever tabloid would take them and give him 10 grand and a holiday for the photospread and the endless ghost written biogs. I've been to one of his after dinner speeches where a fair majority of it was about his nights out and the blondes he shagged and all the rest. The joke wore off a long time ago for me. I am sad he has died but i'm not going to look through rose tinted specs.

One of the top footballers of all time.....
.......it was 1970..... I was a musician .playing in a band.......the gig was in Marseille (south of France)......the drummer had tried to pick up on one of the local girls......the boyfriend and his mates were moving in on us...didn't look good........
....it was a sports bar.....I noticed a photo of George Best behind the bar.......
.....I put My hand on my chest and said Manchester(a little white lie...I'm born and bred at Firth Park)....then raised my glass in the air and said "George Best".....
.......we all left the bar a few hours later holding each other up and laughing.
He's respected where ever football is played.
R.I.P.

I was so amazed by the number you got in and the fantastic dribbling. Iam, of course, refering to your drinking. I hear your footy skills weren't bad once:D

I take no delight in George's death.. however casting away my red tinted shades.

The man was a wifebeater and an alcoholic.

Alcoholism is not an illness as many people believe- its self inflicted.
You have to become an alcoholic themselves- it isnt an illness so lets drop all the crap about George being ill shall we.

He beat a woman, time after time, and also if I recall, joked about it on Parkinson I believe.

Is this some kind of legend that people want to remember?
I sure as hell dont.

Yes, he was a genius footballer, and one of the top 5 players who ever lived.

BUT- that was when he was in his 20's... the rest of his life he has wasted by booze and birds.

I dont feel sorry for him at all, and to be honest, if you are really honest with yourselves- most of you were not bothered whether George lived or died as well.

Lets not make him out to be the martyr and tortured soul that he isnt.

I was bothered, and so were plenty of others.
They say half a million people will attend Georges funeral.
I wonder how many will be at yours.....

Originally posted by Guderian
I was bothered, and so were plenty of others.
They say half a million people will attend Georges funeral.
I wonder how many will be at yours.....

I have to ask this-
What made you bothered about George Best apart from being a MU fan which I know you are?

Were you so concerned about his health or him being a alcoholic?
Pray do tell.

ALSO

So thats about 1/2 million hangers on then- who didnt really care about george buy who want to be there because they feel the 'have to' be there.. makes me sick.

Its the 'diana syndrome' all over again- someone big in the public eye dies - and its all grief R'us.

AND

Possibly only a few at my funeral- which I would like- as I wouldnt want the clingers on fighting over their apparent grief at my passing!

I liked the fact they did 1 minute of clapping instead of silence. a nice touch I thought.

The minute silence in the Manchester City-Liverpool game was not so well observed and cut short

Nice to see the City and Liverpool fans showing their respects isnt it.

Both sets of fans are a disgrace.

Originally posted by ANGELUS
I take no delight in George's death.. however casting away my red tinted shades.

The man was a wifebeater and an alcoholic.

Alcoholism is not an illness as many people believe- its self inflicted.
You have to become an alcoholic themselves- it isnt an illness so lets drop all the crap about George being ill shall we.

He beat a woman, time after time, and also if I recall, joked about it on Parkinson I believe.

Is this some kind of legend that people want to remember?
I sure as hell dont.

Yes, he was a genius footballer, and one of the top 5 players who ever lived.

BUT- that was when he was in his 20's... the rest of his life he has wasted by booze and birds.

I dont feel sorry for him at all, and to be honest, if you are really honest with yourselves- most of you were not bothered whether George lived or died as well.

Lets not make him out to be the martyr and tortured soul that he isnt.
even though your right, no doubt your fighting a losing battle because when a public figure dies everyone suddenly changes there opinion as not to upset. Wether someone is dead or alive my views wont change.

George best upto about 26yrs old.. legend.. after 26.. complete waste of space and if he did brag about beating women (i didnt know that) then i dont know how anyone can be sympathetic.

I'm sympahtetic for his dad for seeing his son die before him (something a father should never have to go through) and the rest of his family.

We did a minutes Clapping for Bestie at the Leicester game, today,

I think it was a nice touch, a celebration of the great Georgie, rather than a sombre thing, which, as respectful as "silences" can be, are often too sad. (and not a reflection of the spirit of the person being remembered)

PT

Originally posted by ANGELUS
I take no delight in George's death.. however casting away my red tinted shades.

The man was a wifebeater and an alcoholic.

Alcoholism is not an illness as many people believe- its self inflicted.
You have to become an alcoholic themselves- it isnt an illness so lets drop all the crap about George being ill shall we.

He beat a woman, time after time, and also if I recall, joked about it on Parkinson I believe.

Is this some kind of legend that people want to remember?
I sure as hell dont.

Yes, he was a genius footballer, and one of the top 5 players who ever lived.

BUT- that was when he was in his 20's... the rest of his life he has wasted by booze and birds.

I dont feel sorry for him at all, and to be honest, if you are really honest with yourselves- most of you were not bothered whether George lived or died as well.

Lets not make him out to be the martyr and tortured soul that he isnt.


fully agree with the content of this post.

my sympathy & commiserations are however with his family who must suffer the pain of loss & the finality of death. my minutes silence was for them

Originally posted by ANGELUS
I dont feel sorry for him at all, and to be honest, if you are really honest with yourselves- most of you were not bothered whether George lived or died as well.


I wasn't.

I'm constantly suprised how people can mourn a celebrity they have never met but can turn a blind eye to the suffereing (mostly not self-inflicted) of millions of other people they have never met.

How many other people do you think died on the same day as Mr Best through no fault of their own ?