the other day igot on a first bus i tryed to get off it and as i did ti slipped on the floor and have proper batterd my ribs and back and can hardly move. has anyone else had this happen to them and did you go to hosp?

Originally posted by oatescamilla
the other day igot on a first bus i tryed to get off it and as i did ti slipped on the floor and have proper batterd my ribs and back and can hardly move. has anyone else had this happen to them and did you go to hosp?

Not sure if this is relevant to this unfortunate incident but most First vehicles display a notice which clearly states 'Please remain seated until the bus comes to a standstill' or wording that is similar.

I did while I was pregnant a few years ago, I was on the 95 on my way to work, just getting ready to get off and the tool driving slammed the breakes on and sent me flying down the middle of the bus.
I was 7 months gone at the time and he never once asked me if I was o.k. I hated the bus journey to work when I was preggers

ye but the thing is it didntsay you must remain seated so..........
ye honeyplanet he neva asked me if i was ok just laughed.

And I have seen on more than one occasion a bus fly past the stop when passengers have remained seated.

Originally posted by honeyplanet
And I have seen on more than one occasion a bus fly past the stop when passengers have remained seated.


so true... :rant:

I have to say this brings back horrific memmories of the first time i test drove my brand spanking new roller-skates.

As i was carrying the 3 dozen fresh eggs i had just purchased from castle market - very reasonably priced they were to - and negotiating my way to the top deck, i came across a obstacle that normally i would have skirted with ease.

On this occasion that wasnt to be, with my arms full of poultry and my three-year-old some young thug had thoughtlessly launched a fresh banana skin into the aisle, ild warrant they wore a "hoddie" and are revelling today with the extended opening hours; more time to consume Hooch!!

Needless to say when i came round in the hospital two days later i couldnt remember the actual crushing impact, the egg on my face - literally - or the intense pain of shattered limbs. Four months in traction and iam right as rain, youll all be glad to hear.

The moral of the tale is this:

Dont ride on buses, theyre rubbish.

Originally posted by honeyplanet
And I have seen on more than one occasion a bus fly past the stop when passengers have remained seated.

Then you're well within your rights to challenge them on why they have such a sign - after all, a disclaimer works both ways!

Why would they have a sign saying "remain seated" when they are allowed to carry standing passengers????

Buses are death traps full stop. They don't even have seat belts... you wouldn't catch me on one unless I had no choice.

Originally posted by cgksheff
Why would they have a sign saying "remain seated" when they are allowed to carry standing passengers????

True, i dont recall seeing this notice?

Originally posted by cgksheff
Why would they have a sign saying "remain seated" when they are allowed to carry standing passengers????

Thats a very good point I have never ever believed in having standing passengers on buses for safety reasons before anyone says ah what about trains underground etc the chances of a tram,train etc having to do an emergency stop are much less due to the absence of motorists etc pulling out in front.

I see to remember it being displayed on Yorkshire Terrier buses (the 120, 52 and 74 anyhow) but not on First.

I've also noticed that the "maximum seated and standing" signs have gone or am i looking in the wrong place?

I too dislike using buses, they don't put double deckers on our route (77/80) even though we really do need them (although having to bend down to get on is a pain too (i'm 6ft5 ish)

Originally posted by matt1889
True, i dont recall seeing this notice?

Usually just behind the bulkhead on the driver's side where the information about impending fare increases are displayed.

Cant say i've ever fallen on a bus, would have to be really tall to do that, or be on a bridge or summat!

Maybe people fall "WHILST" on a bus? lol

First South Yorkshire Information Leaflet (http://www.firstgroup.com/ukbus/yorkhumber/southyorkshire/southyorkshire_images/Howtocatchabus.pdf) does say however:

" ............... All you have to do then is find a seat, sit
back and enjoy your journey. Many of our
buses have special zones where buggies
and shopping trolleys can be safely parked.

When you want the bus to stop, simply
press the bell once in good time and remain
in your seat until the bus comes to a stop.

Originally posted by d71146
Not sure if this is relevant to this unfortunate incident but most First vehicles display a notice which clearly states 'Please remain seated until the bus comes to a standstill' or wording that is similar.

I wonder if that also means the driver shouldn't pull away until you have found your seat- I've seen many mishaps, especially with elderly people when they are sent flying as the bus jolts into motion.

Originally posted by d71146
Not sure if this is relevant to this unfortunate incident but most First vehicles display a notice which clearly states 'Please remain seated until the bus comes to a standstill' or wording that is similar.

What about when the driver sets off before you have time to sit? My mum had this happen to her and she bruised her back. First mainline paid her £1000 for the trouble.

Originally posted by d71146
Not sure if this is relevant to this unfortunate incident but most First vehicles display a notice which clearly states 'Please remain seated until the bus comes to a standstill' or wording that is similar.

You're not a bus driver by any chance are you, d71146? You seem to know rather a lot about buses!

I actually feel very sorry for the NICE busdrivers out there.

Why? Well, there are so many ignorant, bad tempered, rude and uncaring bus drivers that it must make the good ones shudder every time they see a thread like this.

I very much doubt that most bus drivers would stop if you pressed the bell and then remained in your seat. They seem to take pleasure in seeing people wobbling and stumbling. Why else would they insist on pulling away before you've found a seat? They don't seem to care whether it's an old lady or a prenant woman struggling down the isle, they just plough on regardless. :rant:

I remember a recent survey by First asking opinions of service etc. There was a space for "other comments" where I put something about rude bus drivers.

When the results came out it was one of the top concerns EVEN THOUGH THERE WASN'T EVEN A QUESTION ABOUT IT!!!

Fall on a bus?......Sue them big time. Make the greedy sods pay!

does anyone know the e-mail adreess so i can make a complaint that way cause they arent answering the phones?

Originally posted by honeyplanet
And I have seen on more than one occasion a bus fly past the stop when passengers have remained seated. I'd stay seated if indeed drivers didn't fly past bus stops... I have once or twice advised elder women to stay seated pointing at the notice only to see them 30 seconds later flying onto the front windscreen.

I only allow myself to walk to the door as I know I can hand onto the bars to make sure the bus DOES stop at the stop.

Yes there is a sign,,small though it is.

It states all the stuff that passengers shouldnt do,but do anyway such as luggage in isle,distract driver ect......

As a rule when the bell rings,slow down for stop and observe mirror for passengers.
When stopped check for passengers walking down bus to get off.

Thats what I do,but then im an angel,,,,lol.

Sadly I did once send a young man scuttling down the bus, I braced myself for the impending doom from his mother.
Then to my amazment his mother dished out a general whipping to him for running down the bus,,,almost felt sorry for the lad.
She even apologised for the fact he ran down bus.

Its a known fact,that if you are walking down a moving bus as it slows you will actualy pick up speed.

Then there are the ones that at the slightest touch of the brake will hurl themselves down the bus,,,,this practice is normal for a Friday and Saturday night.

I myself am very careful to avoid such situations,this is due to the fact that anyone of those passengers could be any member of my family,also when the bus slows to stop some people start looking in their phone for the Claims Direct Number.

In general I will judge a situation based on what I see,,eg:pensioners need more time as do children,mothers with prams,shopping and other children with them.

Waiting for a pensioner to be seated will only add a few seconds to my journey time so makes very little difference to me.

Originally posted by oatescamilla
does anyone know the e-mail adreess so i can make a complaint that way cause they arent answering the phones?

Can't see an e-mail address just now but there is an online contact form here (http://www.firstgroup.com/ukbus/yorkhumber/southyorkshire/contact/contactindex.php).

Originally posted by d71146
Not sure if this is relevant to this unfortunate incident but most First vehicles display a notice which clearly states 'Please remain seated until the bus comes to a standstill' or wording that is similar.

I recently was on crutches due to an op on my foot and i reall couldnt stand while the bus was moving so i remained seated after pressing the bell and 99% of the time the bus drivers just went past the bus stop making me or other helpful passanger to tell the driver that stop was wanted. I also had a driver have a go at me because i wasnt standing at the front of the bus and it was my fault that he missed the stop. So i kindly actually pointed out the sign:hihi: In the end i was forced to make my self stand in the aisle for the driver to recognise that i actually wanted to get off the bus and i wasnt pressing the bell for the sake of it

When I was 18 and not very experienced of travelling on buses I rang the bell to get off. As I thought I was supposed to be in a hurry I got up quickly and fell over a step on the lower deck of the bus that was wet with rain water. I twisted and bent my knee backwards, screaming in pain. No-one asked me if I was ok. This really shocked me how inconsiderate people can be. I never went to hospital as it wasn't serious. But I felt pain in the back of my knee for almost a year afterwards.

Yes when i was 8 and a half months pregnant i was getting on the bus and my partner was stood in front of me paying when the driver decided to shut the doors with me only half on and set of while still taking my partners money. i fell out the bus door and landed in a heap, bus driver never said sorry but did let me, but not my partner on for free. i was in floods of tears the whole way home so all the bus who probably hadn't seen must have thought i was an over emotional pregnant mardy bum. (it was the drivers last trip by the way)

Oh yes. This brings back some memories of when I used to catch the 51 and drop my little girl off at nursery. She was a bit scared of standing up when the bus was moving, particularly with some drivers habits of stamping on either the accelerator or the brake. Despite having rung the bell (her favourite bit!) heaven help us if we weren't at the front when the driver got to the stop. Sometimes they drove straight past the stop and sometimes we were told off for being too slow!

And while we're on the subject of buses, I know the 51/52 thread was closed because it was hijacked by comments that weren't on the subject, but we did travel on the 51 into town a couple of times when the schools were kicking out. NEVER again. We thought maybe it was a one-off the first time but no. It was absolutely disgraceful, kids screaming four letter words and throwing things at each other and us.

Does anyone know what the maximum number is for standing passengers then?

I was on the 20 bus the other week and it was full to bursting. I looked for the sign as I remember seeing it before on the old 51 buses but couldn't see it anywhere.

Anyway, someone right at the back pressed the bell in plenty of time for the driver to stop, and he sailed past the stop. By the time the guy had reached the front of the bus, he told the driver he had wanted the previous stop, at which the driver replied 'well you should have pressed the bell then' Problem was, we had all heard him press the bell, and the 'bus stopping' sign was still illuminated!! About 6 people at the front of the bus shouted 'he did press the bell!!'

Absolute farce.....

As for people falling, I see it all the time, especially when the bus is full of standing passengers. There's always one who is still trying to put their purse back in their bag when the bus sets off, creating a whole domino effect down the bus!

Originally posted by GoGo_dancer
Does anyone know what the maximum number is for standing passengers then?

I was on the 20 bus the other week and it was full to bursting. I looked for the sign as I remember seeing it before on the old 51 buses but couldn't see it anywhere.

Anyway, someone right at the back pressed the bell in plenty of time for the driver to stop, and he sailed past the stop. By the time the guy had reached the front of the bus, he told the driver he had wanted the previous stop, at which the driver replied 'well you should have pressed the bell then' Problem was, we had all heard him press the bell, and the 'bus stopping' sign was still illuminated!! About 6 people at the front of the bus shouted 'he did press the bell!!'

Absolute farce.....

As for people falling, I see it all the time, especially when the bus is full of standing passengers. There's always one who is still trying to put their purse back in their bag when the bus sets off, creating a whole domino effect down the bus!

As I have mentioned on previous threads there should be NO standing passengers permitted on PCV vehicles at all in this day and age.

I disagree, purely for economic reasons - take away the standing element and you require an extra 25-50% buses... more cost, another ticket price. When you consider how many injuries there are a year due to standing on buses, it doesn't make sense... sorry to anyone injured standing on a bus..;

on the other hand, it should be an offence not to offer your seat up to old people when the bus is full to standing.

I think they should try out buses with a few seats at the front and a huge standing only area at the back with lots of poles and straps to hang on to - this would mean no need to shove through those gangs of teens who seem to find the luggage rack so attractive (and have a hearing problem when asked to move), plenty more room for pushchairs and large items of luggage, and more passengers can get on when its really busy.

Yes its not always safe to stand on a bus but it will never be economical to have seatbelts and so on (and you can imagine the chavs having fun wrecking said belts?), and few buses ever get the chance to go much above 20 mph anyway. Most of the jolting is caused when you get a driver who is heavy on the brake.

Originally posted by Alex C.
I disagree, purely for economic reasons - take away the standing element and you require an extra 25-50% buses... more cost, another ticket price. When you consider how many injuries there are a year due to standing on buses, it doesn't make sense... sorry to anyone injured standing on a bus..;

You should try standing with a couple of bags of shopping and a toddler while trying to avoid being thrown into the people on either side of you. And then of course there's the battle to get past them all to get off. Might change your viewpoint......

Originally posted by irenewilde
You should try standing with a couple of bags of shopping and a toddler while trying to avoid being thrown into the people on either side of you. And then of course there's the battle to get past them all to get off. Might change your viewpoint......

You're exactly the sort of person who should get seats - I know we're polite and dislike going in front of someone else in a queue (yea, right) but when a bus is full, because theres too many people on it, it doesn't take a lot to give up your seat to someone who's struggling with children or shopping.

edit: out of interest, would you moan if standing was banned tommorow and either a) you couldn't get on a bus because their all full, or b) the fares rose 75% or so to cope with the additional vehicles, training and staff needed? I suspect the vast majority of people would.

Originally posted by Alex C.
You're exactly the sort of person who should get seats - I know we're polite and dislike going in front of someone else in a queue (yea, right) but when a bus is full, because theres too many people on it, it doesn't take a lot to give up your seat to someone who's struggling with children or shopping.

I must admit I never thought of myself as someone who should get a seat because I had my toddler and shopping with me and indeed, no-one ever offered!

Originally posted by irenewilde
I must admit I never thought of myself as someone who should get a seat because I had my toddler and shopping with me and indeed, no-one ever offered!

I do, if I can... :) Standing makes the journey more fun :p

This happened to me four weeks ago next tuesday. I had just got on the bus when it set off BEFORE I'd had chance to sit down and then braked sharply. I went into the luggage rail before hitting the floor. When I email andy mycock at first I was just sent a forwarding complaint address. No apology. Igave the ticket number and the bus number. When I went to hospital I had badly bruised my rib area. This would be bad if it happened to any one but I am a pensioner and the driver didn't even get out of his seat. A "Hoodie" picked me up and asked if I was ok. It's a good job I'm a pretty fit oldie. Sorry for ranting on :mad:

no thats bad some people are really pathetic cause no one helped me the bus driver actually laughed at me .

I had to smile when I read the comment about remaining seated until the bus has stopped.

I was on a bus seated in the area where there is a large space in front.

The driver turned off West Street to go down the road at the side of the Unemployment place and then suddenly stamped on his brakes to avoid a pedestrian crossing the road.

The braking was so hard that I was lifted out of the seat complete with crutch ( I had just had a hip replacement) and I finished on my hands and knees in the aisle.

It seems to me that for some reason most of the Sheffield buses are driven by stressed drivers who hate their job and often drive with a bad attitude which is evident in their lack respect of their passengers they carry.

I think they could do with a few lessons in stress control and treament of their livelihood the customer.

It is my experience that if you do not stand up well before the stop you require they do not give you time to get up and get off the bus.

I'd love to hear from any other old farts on their experiences, I'm sure I cannot be the only whinger?

Originally posted by oatescamilla
does anyone know the e-mail adreess so i can make a complaint that way cause they arent answering the phones? the email address is
andy.mycock@firstgroup.com
they try to keep it secret

Originally posted by SheShe
the email address is
andy.mycock@firstgroup.com
they try to keep it secret

lmao! :hihi:

Originally posted by PopT

It is my experience that if you do not stand up well before the stop you require they do not give you time to get up and get off the bus.

I'd love to hear from any other old farts on their experiences, I'm sure I cannot be the only whinger?

As another whingeing old fart I have to agree with you. It's some years since I used the bus regularly, but it was generally a painful experience for someone with arthritic hips and knees.

As for driver stress, I think it's inevitable whilst they have to deal with passengers. Train and tram drivers don't have all the hassle from passengers, - why should bus drivers have to cope with it ?

Stagecoach manage to run the tram profitably with a two man crew and the fare-cost/distance seems to be about the same as First bus.