Hello Everyone!

This is the last event in the series, DO NOT MISS IT!!

Does Science Make God Impossible? - By Adam Deen Tomorow

6pm @ Medical School (next to Hallamshire hospital) Thursday 24th Feb!

Are you atheist, christian, muslim or of any other ideology? Regardless of what you believe, come along tomorow and find out if Science really is incompatible with the concept of God.

Challenge your thoughts and the speaker.

See you there,
USIC

I think you need to look up the definition of ideology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideology).

The answer is no btw, so I don't think I'll be attending a lecture to something with such a daft title. Next week, "Does science make faeries impossible?"

6pm still no good for those of us with jobs and families.

@ Quisquose

Ok, you get what I mean, thanks for being helpful though.

I think you'll fnd the reason you're not attending is not that the title is silly, BUT more to do with the fact that you are scared to challenge your own thoughts and beliefs. If you've got so much to say, come and put your questions to the speaker tomorow!

To clarify - the talk will cover whether different scientific theories can suffice as an explanation to human existence without the need for a creator. And if belief in a God contradicts any scientific theories and weigh up conflicting evidences.

with an opportunity for Q&A / Debate at the end!

Even if you cant make it for the start of the event its worth coming along

@ Quisquose

I think you'll fnd the reason you're not attending is not that the title is silly, BUT more to do with the fact that you are scared to challenge your own thoughts and beliefs. If you've got so much to say, come and put your questions to the speaker tomorow!

Ah, so you know the poster better than (s)he knows themselves? Shame you're not doing the talk.

I'm in no way afraid to challenge my beliefs. Sadly I finish work at 6, get home at 6:45 and haven't put my child to bed until 8 - I couldn't be back in Sheffield until 8:30 at the earliest.

Any chance you could post a summary of the talk here, or even get the speaker to debate it here?

No, thought not. Wouldn't want any of it recorded for posterity no doubt. :-)

anyone with an understanding of the history of science will know that it is too early to tell.

Ah, so you know the poster better than (s)he knows themselves? Shame you're not doing the talk.

I'm in no way afraid to challenge my beliefs. Sadly I finish work at 6, get home at 6:45 and haven't put my child to bed until 8 - I couldn't be back in Sheffield until 8:30 at the earliest.

Any chance you could post a summary of the talk here, or even get the speaker to debate it here?

No, thought not. Wouldn't want any of it recorded for posterity no doubt. :-)

Im sure you are some sort of world class philosopher when you're sat at home on your computer, who isnt. You can even answer your own questions! Wow

Unless you make the time, you will never find it.

If you cant come and speak face to face then we'll leave it at that, dont attempt to be an 'internet' philosopher like every tom, dick and harry. I could voice record and post the talk on here but if you have any follow up questions, I wont be in a position to answer them as well as the speaker. You can watch his talks / contact him at www.adamdeen.com

anyone with an understanding of the history of science will know that it is too early to tell.

You're in Broomhall, its on your doorstep! Come and tell the speaker that! :)

Scienctific understanding has a long way to go because we do not know everything. Science does not make anything impossible, reality does!

People are missing the point! Im not here to debate, if you've got something to say, say it tomorow!!!! :)

People are missing the point! Im not here to debate, if you've got something to say, say it tomorow!!!! :)

Maybe people aren't interested in attending a lecture with such a clearly biased title.

For the record, Science doesn't make anything impossible. It adapts along with the available evidence.

Religion, on the other hand is 90% bigotry and 10% common sense. It certainly takes no account of evidence or anything so inconvenient.

I suspect that you might end up talking to yourself tomorrow night as most people will consider your talk to be irrelevant to their lives.

Im sure you are some sort of world class philosopher when you're sat at home on your computer, who isnt. You can even answer your own questions! Wow

Unless you make the time, you will never find it.

If you cant come and speak face to face then we'll leave it at that, dont attempt to be an 'internet' philosopher like every tom, dick and harry. I could voice record and post the talk on here but if you have any follow up questions, I wont be in a position to answer them as well as the speaker. You can watch his talks / contact him at www.adamdeen.com

On the contrary. I just ask questions as they occur to me. I don't claim to have answers. It shouldn't matter to your speaker what medium the questions are asked in. In fact this medium is better if (s)he wants serious discussion as it allows points to be developed; something I've never known happen in a q&a session at the end of a lecture.

I would love to know the secret of 'making time' though. I live a thirty minute drive from my job, and forty minutes from the lecture theatre. I finish work at 6. My child gets upset if she doesn't see daddy before she goes to bed. Do tell me how I can make time to attend a lecture at 6.

When I now how to make time, I will chose not to waste it on this Adam Deen chap.

The chap who says things like

"If we all end up dead it doesn’t matter if you behaved like Stalin"

isn't worth any of my time.

Sheffielders - save yourself the bother of going to listen to him. You can read all you need to here http://skepticat.wordpress.com/2009/05/24/adam-deen-again/

I've just wasted 5 minutes of my life reading one of this Deem chap's 'papers'.

Now granted he has a very poor hand to play as he is pitting his argument (surmised "I really want there to be a God so I'll set out to prove it) against the huge weight and volume of evidence-based and peer supported scientific evidence produced by people whose only aim is to find the truth, whatever it may be.

That said, the poor hand he has, he plays really, really badly.

I read the response the an article David Attenborough had in the Guardian a year or so ago - an article I read at the time. He doesn't address the key issue at all, as it is unanswerable.

The key quote from that article is this

My response is that when Creationists talk about God creating every individual species as a separate act, they always instance hummingbirds, or orchids, sunflowers and beautiful things. But I tend to think instead of a parasitic worm that is boring through the eye of a boy sitting on the bank of a river in West Africa, [a worm] that's going to make him blind. And [I ask them], 'Are you telling me that the God you believe in, who you also say is an all-merciful God, who cares for each one of us individually, are you saying that God created this worm that can live in no other way than in an innocent child's eyeball? Because that doesn't seem to me to coincide with a God who's full of mercy

And your man who is talking about goodness knows what tomorrow doesn't even mention it in his response.

This Deem chap cannot be taken seriously as a thinker, as the trite title suggests.

USIC - I presume you attended last night?

Sadly you didn't get back to me in time to tell me how I could make it - any chance you could give us an overview of the main points?

USIC - I presume you attended last night?

Sadly you didn't get back to me in time to tell me how I could make it - any chance you could give us an overview of the main points?

It's on right now!

6pm @ Medical School (next to Hallamshire hospital) Thursday 24th Feb!

Maybe someone there could tweet the gist of it?

Maybe someone there could tweet the gist of it?

Just search for Adam Deen on Google/YouTube, he's a well known Islamic apologist who likes to regurgitate William Lane Craig's Kalam/First cause nonsense.

The talk went really well, he did a great job of proving how irrational it is to not believe in God. More than 100 people came!

Im in the process of getting the audio recording which should be available soon

The talk went really well, he did a great job of proving how irrational it is to not believe in God.

I didn't think faith was a matter of rationality?

Did he address the subject of the talk at all?

Yes he showed how atheism is completely based on FAITH as well, in things which science also can not prove. He really did a great job! And yes he did address the subject of the talk

The talk went really well, he did a great job of proving how irrational it is to not believe in God. More than 100 people came!

Im in the process of getting the audio recording which should be available soon

How did he prove that?

Did he provide any empirical evidence? Anything testable by an independent body?

Please post his evidence, I'd be fascinated to read it.

When I have the audio, I will post a link on here

When I have the audio, I will post a link on here

Is the audio of the full lecture ?

When I have the audio, I will post a link on here

Just post the evidence. That will suffice.

The audio is of the full lecture. I havent got time to write up the whole lecture, ill post the audio. :)

The audio is of the full lecture. I havent got time to write up the whole lecture, ill post the audio. :)

You said he had evidence. Give us a quick summary and maybe point us in the right direction to check it out properly.

The audio is of the full lecture. I havent got time to write up the whole lecture, ill post the audio. :)

Excellent. I will be having a look.:)

You said he had evidence. Give us a quick summary and maybe point us in the right direction to check it out properly.

Please will you forward the evidence on to me when you're done with it. It seems I've been wrong all along. oh well, you live and learn.

Many thanks

Please will you forward the evidence on to me when you're done with it. It seems I've been wrong all along. oh well, you live and learn.

Many thanks

It appears that there is no evidence.

Just a lecture.

Shame really.

Yes he showed how atheism is completely based on FAITH as well, in things which science also can not prove. He really did a great job! And yes he did address the subject of the talk

So does this learned thinker think that when there are two outcomes, neither of which can be proved, that they are both equally likely?

That is clearly wrong.

For example, I cannot prove that the world world will exist next week, but I take it on faith that it will as all the evidence suggests that.

All the evidence I can see that is valid suggests that there probably isn't a God. What evidence did your man have that I may have missed - because he seems to think that - more than two unprovable options automatically having the same probability - that the one with the least amount of supporting evidence is the true one, which is a quite remarkable conclusion to come to.

Yes he showed how atheism is completely based on FAITH as well, in things which science also can not prove. He really did a great job! And yes he did address the subject of the talk

What did he have to say about agnosticism?

Still waiting for his link to the lecture. :rolleyes:

Has anyone got any biscuits to help pass the time?

Any news on the audio, USIC?

I'm running out of biscuits now.

It's ok USIC - I've bought more biscuits, a cheese sandwich and a pot of tea.

Please post the audio soon though - otherwise it'll look like you were just using Sheffield Forum to advertise your event, and that you aren't confident enough in the message that was given out to have it questioned, which I'm sure isn't the impression you want to give.

It's been nearly a week now USIC.

You do have the audio, don't you?

I'd lend an ear to it too.

I think we're going to have to speculate, 1960boy.

USIC appears to have gone shy on us.

I think we're going to have to speculate, 1960boy.

USIC appears to have gone shy on us.

To be fair. It is a pretty big claim. That audio must have quite a lot of evidence in it. That might take a while to upload. I think that we should be more patient.

Bourbon or Custard Cream?

Hello Everyone!

This is the last event in the series, DO NOT MISS IT!!

Does Science Make God Impossible? - By Adam Deen Tomorow

6pm @ Medical School (next to Hallamshire hospital) Thursday 24th Feb!

Are you atheist, christian, muslim or of any other ideology? Regardless of what you believe, come along tomorow and find out if Science really is incompatible with the concept of God.

Challenge your thoughts and the speaker.

See you there,
USIC

No but sanity and logic does.

To be fair. It is a pretty big claim. That audio must have quite a lot of evidence in it. That might take a while to upload. I think that we should be more patient.

Bourbon or Custard Cream?

Custard cream if you don't mind. Very civilised of you.

I've been offered a deal on a pallet of Ginger Nuts. Do you think we'll need that many?

Do you know what?

I think USIC isn't going to post.

Such a shame. I'd love to hear the talk (s)he was so keen to promote.

did someone say Ginger nuts...... erm sorry, i mean i will have a listen too.

Yes but it has been proved that it is irrational not to believe in USIC.

Come on USIC, you could have made a good start on engraving the talk in to stone tablets by now.

Any news?

Knock knock

Who's there?

Not USIC.

Knock knock

Who's there?

Not USIC.

Think perhaps it time to give up Number Six?

The audio is of the full lecture. I havent got time to write up the whole lecture, ill post the audio. :)

When I have the audio, I will post a link on here

Think perhaps it time to give up Number Six?

It looks like it, but I'll keep reminding USIC for a while I think. Perhaps (s)he is on holiday?

If the audio doesn't appear, despite the two clear commitments to post it, it would look very much as though USIC was using the forum without putting anything back - but that wouldn't happen, would it?

USIC - if you're having technical problems I don't mind hosting the audio for you? PM me if you want help.