my friend has been put in the horrible situation where his ex-wife has told him she is moving hundreds of miles away and taking their two young children with her to live with her new boyfriend (who she split up with only a few weeks ago...for about the 3rd time)

i was wondering whats the legal stance and such and if anyone has had experince of this type of thing?

of course he is my mate and id hate this to happen to him..but she really is a mess and cant even look after herself...how on earth my mate can't keep them here in his custody over her is so stupid and clearly not in the kids best interests...but after a quick chat he says his solicitor didnt sound too optimistic of things going well for any action he takes.

opinions?

:(

Originally posted by MTheo
my friend has been put in the horrible situation where his ex-wife has told him she is moving hundreds of miles away and taking their two young children with her to live with her new boyfriend (who she split up with only a few weeks ago...for about the 3rd time)

i was wondering whats the legal stance and such and if anyone has had experince of this type of thing?

of course he is my mate and id hate this to happen to him..but she really is a mess and cant even look after herself...how on earth my mate can't keep them here in his custody over her is so stupid and clearly not in the kids best interests...but after a quick chat he says his solicitor didnt sound too optimistic of things going well for any action he takes.

opinions?

as far as i know she can take the kids anywherte in the uk but if she was going abroad she would have to get a court order or somthing along those lines

:(

for some reason the courts heavily favour women when awarding custody. But if he can prove that the kids would be better off with him then he's got a chance, as according to theory that should be the only criteria for deciding.

Originally posted by Cyclone
for some reason the courts heavily favour women when awarding custody. But if he can prove that the kids would be better off with him then he's got a chance, as according to theory that should be the only criteria for deciding.

as far as i can tell she would have to pretty much beat the kids or kill someone for it to go his way.

its so obvious to everyone involved who they are better off with...but sadly i dont think a court will take the facts into consideration.

i dont want to say too much but she and her family have done and been involved in some very disturbing situations that would make any saine person realise that being in the environment of such a messed up family they would be better off with the one not associated with it all.

:o Thats harsh, especially if it has been only 3 weeks, she has left him 3 times. Also, this boyfriend hundreds of miles away, she can't have known him for long, surely :loopy:

I'd be annoyed if that happened to me :mad:

Originally posted by Jimbob1989
:o Thats harsh, especially if it has been only 3 weeks, she has left him 3 times. Also, this boyfriend hundreds of miles away, she can't have known him for long, surely :loopy:

I'd be annoyed if that happened to me :mad:

known him for no longer than 2 months... but they split up a few times and apparantly they are a good match...both complete wastes of space.

it wont last... and she will come back but not after putting my mate and the kids thru hell.

I would think if a mother moves a child a certain distance away from the father , the child support should stop.

Originally posted by poppins
I would think if a mother moves a child a certain distance away from the father , the child support should stop.

UNFORTUNATELY this isnt true. If the Mother moves to within a "reasonable distance" which as far as I'm concerned is so vague it could be anywhere withing the UK!!

The courts again, UNFORTUNATELY, will always side with the mother unless she's pretty much a drug addict / murderer / dead!

It such an outdated, sexist view, it makes me feel sick! :rant:

sent you a pm.
let me know if i can help any more :thumbsup:

Originally posted by Ollie
UNFORTUNATELY this isnt true. If the Mother moves to within a "reasonable distance" which as far as I'm concerned is so vague it could be anywhere withing the UK!!

The courts again, UNFORTUNATELY, will always side with the mother unless she's pretty much a drug addict / murderer / dead!

It such an outdated, sexist view, it makes me feel sick! :rant:

which means ... someone could live at... say newcastle.. then move to southampton and be allowed...

how does the father make that journey to visit kids regular and keep a job as well?

It gets a lot worse than that Mtheo, believe me.

Our whole system is SO prejudiced against the fathers it's untrue.

No wonder some of them have taken to dressing up as Batman and scaling Buckingham Palace.

The CSSA will be next, and don't get me started on them!:rant:

I’m afraid to say I wouldn't hold your breath on this one. The system is so biased its untrue. If it was biased towards anyone else in society there would be an outcry.

To quote my own experience as an example. My ex stopped me from seeing my son over 3 years ago. I tried to take her to court after being ignored for a year but the solicitor said there is no guarantee you will ever see your son as the courts don’t work. It’s even a breach of the EU human rights legislation to stop fathers from seeing their children, but the law is flouted by the courts and mothers alike. My ex blatantly lied and gave fowls information to her solicitor to back up her claims I had never paid any interest in seeing him. I had reams and reams of evidence to prove I HAD played a big part in his life up until we split up (when he was 4), even photos, but the solicitors and the courts wouldn't even consider what I was saying! And to add insult to injury, she had ALL her legal fees paid for by Legal Aid! While I didn’t get a penny! So to fight me has no financial ramifications on her but could ruin me!

She's thinks she’s capable to bring up my son without me, but is happy to take £430 a month off me in child support!

thanks for your comments guys ... although they dont fill me with great confidence for my mate.

i think i will give him a call.

thanks again.

But what happens when the father decides to leave his wife and kids, and then moves miles away? How fair is that on the kids? :loopy:

Originally posted by ginge
But what happens when the father decides to leave his wife and kids, and then moves miles away? How fair is that on the kids? :loopy:
well its not fair obviously..its selfish and unforgiving in my book. but what has that to do with anything put in this thread?

Originally posted by MTheo
well its not fair obviously..its selfish and unforgiving in my book. but what has that to do with anything put in this thread?



Well women are getting slaged off for moving children away and it not being fair on the fathers.... but what about the fathers who choose to move miles away from the children?... I'm sure it is a fair comment on the subject :confused:

I went to Court and made it work for me (on the 2nd time around - Got stuffed the 1st time). It helped that my ex is a completely unstable **** but I think it unwise to stop at the first hurdle. It costs £90 to instigste Court Proceedings in the Family Court and a CAFCASS Report will then be comissioned.

Check out Families Need Fathers. There is a Sheffield meeting and you can get advice and support. I went it alone without representation and they will support you through the process.

Nothing ventured...

Originally posted by ginge
Well women are getting slaged off for moving children away and it not being fair on the fathers.... but what about the fathers who choose to move miles away from the children?... I'm sure it is a fair comment on the subject :confused:

Well, no, not really! The thread is about Fathers who are going to potentially have their kids taken away from them.

The topic of Fathers leaving their families and doing a runner is a whole different topic in my eyes.

Feel free to start a thread about Fathers moving away, I'm sure some people will get involved? :thumbsup:

Originally posted by ginge
Well women are getting slaged off for moving children away and it not being fair on the fathers.... but what about the fathers who choose to move miles away from the children?... I'm sure it is a fair comment on the subject :confused:

I'm not sure how it's related at all, it's certainly not the same subset of fathers in both groups. You could just as easily say "but what about xxxx" that's anything to do with parents and children, it doesn't make it all relevant.

Originally posted by ginge
Well women are getting slaged off for moving children away and it not being fair on the fathers.... but what about the fathers who choose to move miles away from the children?... I'm sure it is a fair comment on the subject :confused:
this is not a matter of women vs. men it is a matter of rights and very outdated laws. Yours is a viewpoint on a different subject.

Originally posted by serapis
I’m afraid to say I wouldn't hold your breath on this one. The system is so biased its untrue. If it was biased towards anyone else in society there would be an outcry.

To quote my own experience as an example. My ex stopped me from seeing my son over 3 years ago. I tried to take her to court after being ignored for a year but the solicitor said there is no guarantee you will ever see your son as the courts don’t work. It’s even a breach of the EU human rights legislation to stop fathers from seeing their children, but the law is flouted by the courts and mothers alike. My ex blatantly lied and gave fowls information to her solicitor to back up her claims I had never paid any interest in seeing him. I had reams and reams of evidence to prove I HAD played a big part in his life up until we split up (when he was 4), even photos, but the solicitors and the courts wouldn't even consider what I was saying! And to add insult to injury, she had ALL her legal fees paid for by Legal Aid! While I didn’t get a penny! So to fight me has no financial ramifications on her but could ruin me!

She's thinks she’s capable to bring up my son without me, but is happy to take £430 a month off me in child support!

Got news for you serapis, based on my observations I think the entire system is critically flawed and unfortunately it is not just the issue of fathers trying to access their children.

Hi This is my first post, so be gentle with me.

Didn't know whether to start a new thread or use an old one, but this one pretty much fits the bill so here goes. A friend of ours has been living with his girlfriend for 5 years and they have a 2 year old daughter. Two weeks ago, she told him while he was at work that she was leaving and when he got home, she had gone, taking his daughter and her other 3 children with her. he doesn't know where she is. She will not respond to any of his calls and only contacts him when she deems it ok for him to speak to his daughter. She has not spoken to him since leaving. He is obviously worried about his daughter. Does anyone know if there is anything he can do or what his rights are?

I would say, before doing anything drastic from a legal stand point, I would try and communicate and find out in a private manner, why she left to begin with, and open the communication channel. Has she always been honest and open with him, and do they work as a couple? It's pretty drastic to just up and leave like that.

Any reason for her not wanting him to know where she is?

He will have to have an address or place of work to have papers served on her if he goes down the Court route. See my previous post about Families Need Fathers. It will cost £200 to bring proceedings and he will need to fill out a form C1 or C1A which are available from the Home Office website.

I have been in and out of court for the last 6 years and have finally had enough today with the whole mad system which despite supposedly putting the child first, just creates income for solicitors and barristers and generates endless reports and court appearances (10 in this last case and counting). What should be common sense isn't and barristers cost upwards of £300 for a half day. Unlike my ex, I work and don't qualify for legal aid.

They have been a bit up and down for a while. I know there are 2 sides to a story and we have only heard one of them. I did try to make friends with her when she first moved down here, but some of the things she told me about her previous relationships and what had gone on seemed odd, e.g. her ex abused her and kids, but she still let kids stay with him most weekends upsupervised. The children are supposedly are under child protection. There have been other things he has found out since she has gone, debts run up, benefit claims for single parent while they were together. Think he is trying to sort it out between them, but she will just not speak to him. He is obviously worried about his daughters safety. I know her side of it could be very different. Just want to know if he has any rights at all.

He needs to contact the duty officer at social services in his area to identify what is fact and if the children are known to them. They can be pretty useless but he needs to stress that the children may be at risk.

Any reason for her not wanting him to know where she is?

He will have to have an address or place of work to have papers served on her if he goes down the Court route. See my previous post about Families Need Fathers. It will cost £200 to bring proceedings and he will need to fill out a form C1 or C1A which are available from the Home Office website.

I have been in and out of court for the last 6 years and have finally had enough today with the whole mad system which despite supposedly putting the child first, just creates income for solicitors and barristers and generates endless reports and court appearances (10 in this last case and counting). What should be common sense isn't and barristers cost upwards of £300 for a half day. Unlike my ex, I work and don't qualify for legal aid.

Not that he has told me, but it seems she has done this before with other children and ex partners. Can't believe it can be so hard for a dad to see his child. I have obviously been living in some other universe!

It's getting better but there is a long, long way to go.

It's getting better but there is a long, long way to go.

I hope so. It seems so unfair. I will pass on advice about contacting ss and see how far he gets. Thanks.

fathers for justice are doing quite well because of such treatment. it would be interesting to hear the feminist view on this but we wont get one.

fathers for justice are doing quite well because of such treatment. it would be interesting to hear the feminist view on this but we wont get one.

Why do you think that?

I think it's a shame that groups like Fathers for Justice have ended up discrediting their aims by their ridiculous methods.

It's also difficult to discuss this issue because of the lack of reporting on family court and the - understandable - emotional distress that the topic causes.

Anyway, for a rather different view than the one that's been presented so far on this thread, I give you Decca Aitkenhead reporting for the Guardian in 2006:

In the past decade, family courts have ordered 11 children to have contact with fathers who subsequently murdered them. A Women's Aid report, Failure to Protect, found 18 cases of children ordered to have contact with fathers who had been convicted of schedule one offences - meaning violent crimes against children. It found that 64 children had been ordered to have contact with a parent whose behaviour had previously caused children to be placed on the child protection register. Of those, 21 had been ordered to have unsupervised contact with the abusive parent.

it is now widely believed, due largely to the stunts of divorced men dressed as Batman, that judges are denying fathers access to their children on little more than the say-so of vindictive ex-wives.

This is simply not true. In fact, family courts have a legal obligation to operate under a "presumption of contact" - meaning they must strive, wherever possible, to ensure that fathers see their children. Fathers4Justice claimed that the courts deny access in 40% of cases, but the actual figure is tiny. Even though two-thirds of contact court cases involve allegations of domestic violence - often towards the children as well as their mothers - the number of fathers denied access to their children by judges is just 1%. The family courts require exceptional circumstances to overrule this presumption of contact, and, indeed, some of the Fathers4Justice campaigners had been denied access for good reasons. The plot to kidnap Leo Blair, which led to the disbanding of the organisation earlier this year, offered an instructive insight into its members' concern for a child's wellbeing.

Source here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2006/may/08/childrensservices.g2

I couldn't find any more recent statistics with a quick google.

for some reason the courts heavily favour women when awarding custody. But if he can prove that the kids would be better off with him then he's got a chance, as according to theory that should be the only criteria for deciding.
That's no mystery, it's simply an affect of the patriarchal notion that children belong with their mothers which is still very prevalent in our society even if in this case it isn't actually in the law but in the people who administer it.

You can see this attitude for example in all the criticism directed at Alison Hargreaves after she died mountaineering which males who die pursuing similarly high risk careers are much less likely to receive.

As for the issue of the parent with custody moving, how exactly are people proposing this be remedied? Beyond the absent parent being able to veto such things (which would obviously be very problematic) it's difficult to see how such things can be avoided.

known him for no longer than 2 months... but they split up a few times and apparantly they are a good match...both complete wastes of space.

it wont last... and she will come back but not after putting my mate and the kids thru hell.

He could be anyone, who know what he is like with children. I don't want to worry you, but I would want to know a lot more about his background.

I am SO glad I came across this post, because I am in the exact situation myself....as the mother who moved away.

I moved home to Sheffield after my ex went off with another woman. He left our home for approx 2 months in order to be with this girl, during which time I made the decision to leave for my own state of mind, and as I had no intention of trying to work things out with the ex. I came to Sheffield in order to be near my mum, who is very instrumental in looking after my son in order that I can work to support my life with my child.

Initially, I was in rented accommodation, as when I left I took nothing with me other than my son and my clothes.

The new girlfriend moved in to my old house within a matter of weeks.

I then made the decision to buy a house up here close to my support and people who care about me.

I had a tough 2009, but managed to buy a house, do it up, and furnish it all by myself.
I now have a lovely home for me and my son and we have built a circle of friends and a social network. My son is very happy. He stays with his father twice a month. It was tough at first, but we have worked out arrangements to everyones satisfaction.
We even just spent Christmas together, me, my mum, my ex and his girlfriend, and my ex's parents...down at HIS house.

2010 got off to a horrendous start, with renewed threats from the ex about wanting custody of our son, and also 'advice' from his parents who believe their grandson should live closer to his father.

Bearing in mind that when I had my son, I went part time and gave up half of my salary and pension in order to look after him. I do not regret this for one minute.

However, the abuse I get hassling me to move to a place I barely know, near nobody I know, and live as a single parent, is unreal, and never-ending. I have suggested that my ex go part time, and either move to Sheffield OR go part time and visit Sheffield more often, but it falls on deaf ears. He could not possibly reduce his work or salary, or give up his precious home. He is far too rich and far too important to consider such an outrageous idea.

Now, he wont even visit Sheffield because his girlfriend will not let him come up on his own, nor will she come either. She wants to be put first.

This really is a horrendous situation, as, whilst I encourage my son to spend time with his father...and even drive to do the handovers half way (we live 2 hours apart), I am constantly being hassled to move house to enable my ex to have EVERYTHING he wants. He has lots of support from his family, girlfriend etc and lots of financial clout...whereas I am just a part time working single mother who has to deal with things on her own.

Is anyone else in this situation? I feel so low that I have to reach UP to touch the bottom! I do not want to move house, because it has taken me over a year to finally get my head together, get a house, and build a happy and secure life for my son following actions taken by my ex. However, he is making me feel like the most evil person on earth. I do feel bad that his dad does not see his son on a regular basis....yet...he didnt anyway when we lived together, as his job takes him away from home for 5 days at a time every week.

It is a very difficult situation.

By the way, is there an update on MTheo's friend?

I am SO glad I came across this post, because I am in the exact situation myself....as the mother who moved away.

I moved home to Sheffield after my ex went off with another woman. He left our home for approx 2 months in order to be with this girl, during which time I made the decision to leave for my own state of mind, and as I had no intention of trying to work things out with the ex. I came to Sheffield in order to be near my mum, who is very instrumental in looking after my son in order that I can work to support my life with my child.

Initially, I was in rented accommodation, as when I left I took nothing with me other than my son and my clothes.

The new girlfriend moved in to my old house within a matter of weeks.

I then made the decision to buy a house up here close to my support and people who care about me.

I had a tough 2009, but managed to buy a house, do it up, and furnish it all by myself.
I now have a lovely home for me and my son and we have built a circle of friends and a social network. My son is very happy. He stays with his father twice a month. It was tough at first, but we have worked out arrangements to everyones satisfaction.
We even just spent Christmas together, me, my mum, my ex and his girlfriend, and my ex's parents...down at HIS house.

2010 got off to a horrendous start, with renewed threats from the ex about wanting custody of our son, and also 'advice' from his parents who believe their grandson should live closer to his father.

Bearing in mind that when I had my son, I went part time and gave up half of my salary and pension in order to look after him. I do not regret this for one minute.

However, the abuse I get hassling me to move to a place I barely know, near nobody I know, and live as a single parent, is unreal, and never-ending. I have suggested that my ex go part time, and either move to Sheffield OR go part time and visit Sheffield more often, but it falls on deaf ears. He could not possibly reduce his work or salary, or give up his precious home. He is far too rich and far too important to consider such an outrageous idea.

Now, he wont even visit Sheffield because his girlfriend will not let him come up on his own, nor will she come either. She wants to be put first.

This really is a horrendous situation, as, whilst I encourage my son to spend time with his father...and even drive to do the handovers half way (we live 2 hours apart), I am constantly being hassled to move house to enable my ex to have EVERYTHING he wants. He has lots of support from his family, girlfriend etc and lots of financial clout...whereas I am just a part time working single mother who has to deal with things on her own.

Is anyone else in this situation? I feel so low that I have to reach UP to touch the bottom! I do not want to move house, because it has taken me over a year to finally get my head together, get a house, and build a happy and secure life for my son following actions taken by my ex. However, he is making me feel like the most evil person on earth. I do feel bad that his dad does not see his son on a regular basis....yet...he didnt anyway when we lived together, as his job takes him away from home for 5 days at a time every week.

It is a very difficult situation. My bold

Don't be so bloody daft, woman! You're letting the selfish sod manipulate you into feeling guilty for something that is his fault, not yours!!

You've built a happy life for your son in Sheffield, you're near family so you've got the support you need. Nobody with even half a brain cell would consider it reasonable for you to abandon all that just so that your selfish ex doesn't have to take a bit of effort to see his son.

It's up to him to decide who comes first in his life - his son or his girlfriend. His decision, his problem, don't let him dump his guilt on you. It doesn't matter how many people he's got on his "side", he's still wrong.

Is there perhaps a support group for single mums in Sheffield - or online - so that you could talk about the problem with other people in the same circumstances?

i think more fathers need to push for there rights in alot more issues regarding there children then the govermont will have to listen and new laws put into place some moms dont deserve there kids and some dads do but dont get the chance to if the father has a good home and the a family network job and all the good things for a child then he should be able to have some stand on weither he should have that child with him there is a website for fathers hope things look up for your freind and his kids and yes i have kids and my husband now lives in edingburo wiv his hoe lol and i no he wont make any way to come see them he hasnt since leaving us in may some fathewrs do have a back bone :D all the best

My bold

Don't be so bloody daft, woman! You're letting the selfish sod manipulate you into feeling guilty for something that is his fault, not yours!!

You've built a happy life for your son in Sheffield, you're near family so you've got the support you need. Nobody with even half a brain cell would consider it reasonable for you to abandon all that just so that your selfish ex doesn't have to take a bit of effort to see his son.

It's up to him to decide who comes first in his life - his son or his girlfriend. His decision, his problem, don't let him dump his guilt on you. It doesn't matter how many people he's got on his "side", he's still wrong.

Is there perhaps a support group for single mums in Sheffield - or online - so that you could talk about the problem with other people in the same circumstances?

I think it has all kicked off again because, come September, my son starts school, and, hhis father, who does not do a regular Monday to Friday job, will struggle to see his son as frequently as he does now, or for as long. So, 2010 brings renewed battles for me. I keep getting told that it is 'not about me' and that I should do whatever I can to keep regular contact with his father (ie move south)...but if it was not for me going part time (unlike his father)...and if I had been as determined to work full time like he is, then our son would have had to have had a full time live-in nanny to raise him. (Our jobs are unconventional, to say the least!) Yet, I am still being seen as the evil mum who took our son away from his father.

I wonder if the attitude of his father's parents (and the model of THEIR life) has influence on him. My son's father followed in the footsteps of his father, doing the same job etc...his mum gave up work entirely to raise the children. The family stayed together. They base everything on THEIR model, that 'mum' should drop everything to make sure that 'dad' can work and earn all the money. I do not share this view as I am very independent.

It would be lovely hear of other people in this situation, because at the moment, I feel like I am the only person in the world (I know I am not).

fathers should have the same rights as women. i split with my daughters dad now over 3 years ago we are now divorced, even though i hate him i have never stopped my daughter from seeing her dad, children are not weapons they shouldn't be used like that in any circumstances, whatever has gone off in the relationship with yourself and your ex children shouldn't suffer.

Many years ago a friend of mine left his wife and 18 month old daughter in south Wales to start a new job in the north. After 3 months she and the baby were due to join him but she changed her mind and stayed in wales. For a couple of years he made the long journey home every weekend to see his wife and daughter (he stayed at his parents house and his daughter stayed there with him). After 2 years she applied for a divorce and there was a custody battle. Because of his commitment and the fact that he'd built himself a good business the judge gave him shared custody and reasonable access - half of all school holidays, alternate Christmas and New Year and one staying access weekend in between the school holidays.

I also know someone whose OH did a runner and she had to employ a private dectective to find him.

There are two sides to every story and I think that on here we only get one side so we shouldn't make presumptions and be critical of the absent person.

I think it has all kicked off again because, come September, my son starts school, and, hhis father, who does not do a regular Monday to Friday job, will struggle to see his son as frequently as he does now, or for as long. So, 2010 brings renewed battles for me. I keep getting told that it is 'not about me' and that I should do whatever I can to keep regular contact with his father (ie move south)...but if it was not for me going part time (unlike his father)...and if I had been as determined to work full time like he is, then our son would have had to have had a full time live-in nanny to raise him. (Our jobs are unconventional, to say the least!) Yet, I am still being seen as the evil mum who took our son away from his father.

I wonder if the attitude of his father's parents (and the model of THEIR life) has influence on him. My son's father followed in the footsteps of his father, doing the same job etc...his mum gave up work entirely to raise the children. The family stayed together. They base everything on THEIR model, that 'mum' should drop everything to make sure that 'dad' can work and earn all the money. I do not share this view as I am very independent.

It would be lovely hear of other people in this situation, because at the moment, I feel like I am the only person in the world (I know I am not).

He sounds like a spoilt brat who's used to having his own way and can't cope with having to put in a bit of an effort himself. But, again, that's really his problem, not yours, you're not responsible for his attitude towards life, he is.

You did the right thing in moving to be near your mum, being a single parent is tough, you need help and support and family is the best place to get it. If he really wanted to see his son, he'd make some changes to his life so that he could, instead he's just demanding that you change your life, to suit him!

It's not unusual to feel isolated when you're having problems - whether it's depression, coping with somebody with Alzheimer's, or dealing with a selfish ex - that's why I suggested you try and find a group who might have members with similar problems. This one has a section for Yorkshire (http://www.singleparentfun.com/index.php?con=regions&doCon=regions_show&id=8539024854864a54b667c3) (no mention of Sheffield, but there must be some who live here), it might be worth checking it out.

He sounds like a spoilt brat who's used to having his own way and can't cope with having to put in a bit of an effort himself. But, again, that's really his problem, not yours, you're not responsible for his attitude towards life, he is.

You did the right thing in moving to be near your mum, being a single parent is tough, you need help and support and family is the best place to get it. If he really wanted to see his son, he'd make some changes to his life so that he could, instead he's just demanding that you change your life, to suit him!

It's not unusual to feel isolated when you're having problems - whether it's depression, coping with somebody with Alzheimer's, or dealing with a selfish ex - that's why I suggested you try and find a group who might have members with similar problems. This one has a section for Yorkshire (http://www.singleparentfun.com/index.php?con=regions&doCon=regions_show&id=8539024854864a54b667c3) (no mention of Sheffield, but there must be some who live here), it might be worth checking it out.

You really aren't Dozy, at all, are you? ;) :D