just to warn people i was driving through the tram gate at hillsborough corner, (like you do) i saw one of the street lights down, thinking someone had hit it i realised two workmen fitting a camera to so be aware the b******s are out to get you :D :D

Ah-ha - interesting to know if that's them actually fitting the camera's now. Thanks for the heads' up :thumbsup:

Hurrah, about time. I may be able to get through Hillsborough crossroads now.

Nice one Pesky :thumbsup: . . . will look out for em.

Is it only a bus lane between 7am and 7pm now as promised?

It certainly should be! I walked past there the other day and there was a police car in the traffic jam going through the tram gates and they didn't seem to care about all the 'non-buses' going through!

:clap:

I predict that traffic will never be a problem in Hillsborough from this day forth...

I read in the Sheffield Telegraph over a year ago that once the government allows councils to raise revenue by automatic cameras monitoring bus lanes it is proposed that the Hillsbrough tramgate would be one of the first sites to get a camera.

The same newspaper report said the system (and other associated road improvements) would cost over ONE MILLION POUNDS and it was estimated that the camera would pay for itself after 3 months(!)

More Info at

http://www.sheffield.gov.uk/your-city-council/council-meetings/cabinet/agenda-10th-december/hillsborough-tm-review

Originally posted by NicholasB
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I predict that traffic will never be a problem in Hillsborough from this day forth... [/B]


... except on the roads that you have to go down to avoid the corner. Those big dual carriageways like Taplin Road, the cobbled street next to Taplin Road with the fish shop on, and the bridge at the bottom of the road down from Walkley.

are you sure they were putting up a camera? i can't see anything new at either end.

street lamp near the end of the bridge has you go towards bus terminus.:thumbsup:

Originally posted by metalman
... except on the roads that you have to go down to avoid the corner. Those big dual carriageways like Taplin Road, the cobbled street next to Taplin Road with the fish shop on, and the bridge at the bottom of the road down from Walkley.

...Penistone Road, Bradfield Road, Parkside Road, Middlewood Road, Wadsley Lane, Walkley Lane, Ripley Street, Holme Lane...

Originally posted by max
Hurrah, about time. I may be able to get through Hillsborough crossroads now.

I reckon, unless you drive a bus or cab, the wait will be longer.

The lights at the junction appear to work on a timer, rather than by monitoring traffic.

Also, all of the traffic that would normally go throught the gate will be joining the existing traffic on the unrestricted sides of the crossroads, meaning longer queues.

Still, I'm sure the council know what they're doing.

sorry, got to disagree with you there. the lights appear very much to be triggered by sensors.
the queues will be vastly reduced as the reason the queues exist is that the lights are set to give priority to the buses and trams, which because all the commuters think it is quicker to go through the tram gate, get priority.
enforcing the restriction will greatly reduce the jams.
i often beat cars that go through the gate when i follow the correct route, so it's not even a shortcut for them!

I agree that it should help traffic on Holme Lane. Was recently stood at the traffic lights at the end of Holme Lane having queued all the way on. Only to see that the lights had changed to red to allow2 cars through the tram gates from Middlewood Rd.No sign of buses or trams.Hope cameras catch these idiots who just flount traffic regulations

One other massive improvement would be to sort out the right-turn problem on Holme Lane. As you journey up it away from Hillsborough Corner there's 4 or 5 side streets that cars turn right into. For reasons best know to themselves, the council have erected bollards opposite these side roads (or permitted cars to park there). This stops cars manoeuvring around the left side of the right-turning vehicles and therefore prevents a constant traffic flow, often backing up to the Corner itself. It's a nonsense. Hope that gets looked at soon too.

Roads are reaching saturation point, especially around Hillsborough.

The tram/bus routes have only added to the problems IMHO as have the ridiculous Hillsborough lights every 10 meters everywhere, one way streets and no entrys.

You know its quicker for my to cycle home to Hillsborough from town on my pushbike than it is to drive home now!!

It seems the councils intention is to make driving/parking so difficult that everyone takes public transport. Well cr4p to that, its overpriced and inconvenient!

Why should trams and busses get priority over cars?

Everyone should be made to drive tiny smart cars!! Ha ha

Rant over! :) :) :)

Originally posted by hotphil
One other massive improvement would be to sort out the right-turn problem on Holme Lane.

:thumbsup: I vote Hotphil for "Sensible Hillsborough Traffic Representative"!!

Surely it's better to get the traffic flowing well. I think we all know that there's no chance of tempting us out of our evil cars and onto public transport, so maybe look at making more of the roads off Holme Lane into one-ways to get people moving.

That's the thing, restrictions that reduce speed have good intentions, but when they reach the point where they cause stop-start motoring they cause far more problems - an even flow should be the council's aim.

Regarding traffic turning right off Holme Lane. I take it that HOT PHil does not live on , or visits any of the businesses along there or he might have a different outlook about the parking. Where would it be possible to park at all in that area? all the side roads are chocker block now

i live down one of those roads. the bits i am taking about are the bollarded areas on holme lane, where cars cannot park anyway, and perhaps two other spaces. it's never the case that all the spaces are used so it wouldn't cause any additional parking problems for the businesses.

Well, I walked through Hillsborough Corner today, and couldn't for the life of me see any new traffic cameras!

Anybody else spotted them?

Was this thread just started as one of those 'myths' - mind, I think it worked, as there certainly were fewer vehicles going through. did see taxi's and a cop car go through though :suspect:

As i have come home from work tonight from the university tram stop, on the tram i have noticed the difference in the traffic. i finish work at approx 5.15pm everyday and catch the tram to hillsborough. usually on a good day the tram takes about 15-20 mins to get from bamforth street tramstop to hillsborough (deepend) tramstop. today it breezed through and cut a lot of time off my journey.

so....whatever reason it has happened for be it a camera or not.....I for one am definitely not complaining. How long it lasts for is another thread entirely!!!

it was definitly a camera it was white with a black aerial,you could not miss it ,about half way up the street light.if i am wrong then let me know has i would rather drive through the tram gate than round it.:confused: :confused:

Hang on a bit, just posting pics....

Ok, here we go:

First camera I spotted tonight, outside Boots - http://www.zen28352.zen.co.uk/images/boots.jpg

Second pair of cameras outside Riverside cafe -
http://www.zen28352.zen.co.uk/images/riverside.jpg

Apologies for the quality of the pics - it's hard holding a mobile steady enough in the cold and dark.

I'm not sure if there's another camera(s) up near the bus stops or not.

What I find intriguing is the one outside Boots. Potentially using ANPR (Automatic Number Plate Recognition) to scan cars going past, it would then be a simple operation to scan the cars at the next camera (by the cafe) and work out which cars legally turned left from Bradfield Road and which drove through the tram gate from Middlewood. The cameras even look to be at the correct angles to do this. A fine could then be issued...

I'm not saying these particular cameras are set up for ANPR, but they certainly look of high enough quality and it is technically possible - if you do drive your car through the tram gate, it may be time to stop before a nasty letter arrives on your doormat!!

see i am not crazy :loopy:you could send me a £10 thankyou cheque if you wanted:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Far from it.

Good work that man :clap:

I was in Mappins on Sunday morning and saw them messing with the pole.

Apparently it is an early warning Chav detector for the Hillsborough shopping precinct.

Happy Christmas everyone!!

I've got £50 that says it will be down within 3 weeks, seriously, any takers?

thanx for the tip off man =)

Just don't wear your bling near the tram gate, that's all we ask!

:hihi:

OK, well I thought I could profit from this, but maybe not.
These cameras are part of the traffic monitoring system and measure traffic flow, they will be down within a week or two as they are only temporary.
The real cameras will be going up soon, but will be further down the street.

someone explain to me which ways cars are allowed to go through hillsborough please.

Plot me a route from walkley lane to the the jet garage and from WL to the co-op car park (that isn't illegal).

The cameras look like ANPR cameras to me.......

Nothing to do with catching bus gate users!

then why two to scan the same set of cars?

Originally posted by hotphil
then why two to scan the same set of cars?


Why don’t you just have 1?? as soon as you have passed Ripley street, your committing an offence.

The reason why there are 2 is for traffic turning left from holme lane

Originally posted by Cyclone
someone explain to me which ways cars are allowed to go through hillsborough please.

Plot me a route from walkley lane to the the jet garage and from WL to the co-op car park (that isn't illegal).
No idea to the first.
Second, turn round to Crookes A57 Snake to Manchester back over Woodhead,Middlewood Rd to Co-Op car park.Turn round to Crookes A57 Snake to Manchester back over Woodhead,Middlewood road drop down to Penistone Rd at Leppings lane, turn right onto Owlerton Green to Jet garage.
Easy,Peasy.
PS don't forget to fillup before you go to garage.
:loopy:

Originally posted by Cyclone
someone explain to me which ways cars are allowed to go through hillsborough please.

Plot me a route from walkley lane to the the jet garage and from WL to the co-op car park (that isn't illegal).

Walkley Lane to the Jet garage- keep coming down Walkley Lane (by that I mean turn left at the funny fork in the road to take you past Limbrick Road, so you're not going down to the traffic lights opposite the Barracks, then

when you get to the bottom of Walkley Lane you must turn left, so you now have 2 choices, either

turn right at your first opportunity (which is the second turning after the doctor's surgery, Beechwood Road) and turn first right twice, followed by a left, bringing yourself back out onto Holme Lane facing the opposite direction, or

go all the way round the Malin Bridge one way loop to bring yourself back onto Holme Lane facing back towards Hillsborough corner, then*

you can go straight through the lights at Hillsborough corner and will pass the petrol station on your left.

For Walkley Lane to the Co op carpark, follow the same instructions as far as* then turn left at Hillsborough corner lights (if that one wasn't legal I think we'd all have moved out of Hillsborough by now!) and hey presto- you can turn right into the car park.

Are you confused yet? You wait til you try to get back to Walkley Lane from the Co Op car park! (if you really want to know I can do that one too!)

Cyclone's going to love those two replies - wait for the "it's a complete nonsense" type reply :D
I'd say that if you were on Walkley Lane and wanted to go to the Jet or the Co-op by car, it may be quicker/easier to go to Crookes.

I think medusas reply is about the quickest legal route, but it makes a mockery really. You have to turn up residential streets in order to end up facing the correct way on holme lane.

Of course you can't reverse the journey though.

If you come out of co-op and turn right, you will soon find yourself trapped with a trams/taxi's only section and nowhere to turn.
If you reverse back up rather than illegally passing through the lights and straight towards the barracks then you can turn right (down the residential streets again).
So you get back to holme lane, but can't turn right anywhere to get towards walkely. You now have to go straight through the lights, past the jet garage, around the roundabout, back up to the lights and then left.
What a wonderful congestion saving system they've put in place :clap:

Alternatively, use the Jet service station and Co-op in Crookes. It's a no-brainer and reduces congestion in H'boro.

Originally posted by max
Alternatively, use the Jet service station and Co-op in Crookes. It's a no-brainer and reduces congestion in H'boro.

The co-op in Crookes is not as big as the Hillsborough one. And anyway I'm sure Hillsborough shopkeepers will love to know their customers are being told to go to Crookes instead.

Crazy.

Originally posted by max
Alternatively, use the Jet service station and Co-op in Crookes. It's a no-brainer and reduces congestion in H'boro.

and completely not the point.

I live much closer to hillsborough than crookes, and the co-op happens to be next to the video shop.
The jet garage would be on the way to penistone road to fill up before heading north if it was convenient to get too (and it's cheaper than the one up on the A61).

Anyway, they were just examples. If the solution is always not to go to hillsborough then surely that indicates a problem with the traffic planning around the area.

I'm confused... How do you get up to Walkley without going through the tram gate and turning right to go up Ripley Street (Onto the massive hill!)

from holme lane?
You go through the lights, to the roundabout, around the roundabout, back to the lights, make a legal left turn. Turn right onto Ripley street.

Originally posted by Cyclone
from holme lane?
You go through the lights, to the roundabout, around the roundabout, back to the lights, make a legal left turn. Turn right onto Ripley street.

From Middlewood Road as though coming from Co-Op... So then I'd have to turn up the side street (Can't remember the name the one with the pet shop on it) go round then one way bit and then onto Holme Lane and do as you posted?

Originally posted by Virus
I'm confused... How do you get up to Walkley without going through the tram gate and turning right to go up Ripley Street (Onto the massive hill!)

The tram gate heading towards town and away from Hillsborough is not in the same place as the one going in the other way.

If you were coming out of the co op car park and wanted to get to Walkley, the tram gate is actually before Hillsborough corner traffic lights, so you have to turn right directly before the tram gate, and then first left, which brings you out on Holme Lane-

from where you can't turn right at Hillsborough corner, so you need to go through the lights to the roundabout and pull a u-turn, then approaching Hillsborough corner from the other way you can turn left and it is then perfectly legal to be on the bit of road between Hillsborough corner and Ripley Street PROVIDING that you're facing towards town and away from Hillsborough (it's just not legal if you're going the other way).

BTW I'm waving my arms round helpfully whilst trying to describe this to you!

I know a lot of people feel strongly in favour of the tram gate but to be honest I think it's a bit silly to have to do a massive trek like that (Ok, maybe not massive! :p ) to skip a few feet of road?

Lol! Thanks for the arm waving! :)

But it still better than having to walk in the pouring rain. Just have a thought for the less fortunate who do not have private transport , instead of moaning all the time about having to travel a few hundred yards in the dry and warmth.

Originally posted by bazjea
But it still better than having to walk in the pouring rain. Just have a thought for the less fortunate who do not have private transport , instead of moaning all the time about having to travel a few hundred yards in the dry and warmth.

I've only just passed my test after 26 years of freezing cold pouring rain so I feel for you! I'm not moaning, just saying it's a bit silly...

Originally posted by medusa666
The tram gate heading towards town and away from Hillsborough is not in the same place as the one going in the other way.

If you were coming out of the co op car park and wanted to get to Walkley, the tram gate is actually before Hillsborough corner traffic lights, so you have to turn right directly before the tram gate, and then first left, which brings you out on Holme Lane-

from where you can't turn right at Hillsborough corner, so you need to go through the lights to the roundabout and pull a u-turn, then approaching Hillsborough corner from the other way you can turn left and it is then perfectly legal to be on the bit of road between Hillsborough corner and Ripley Street PROVIDING that you're facing towards town and away from Hillsborough (it's just not legal if you're going the other way).

BTW I'm waving my arms round helpfully whilst trying to describe this to you!

You can legally be facing the other way, turn into the sidestreet just before the tram stop (opposite the hsbc) then turn around and turn right as you come back onto middlewood road.

It's hardly a few minutes. If you wanted to go from Co-op to my house in rush hour (by the legal and ridiculous circuitous route) it could take you 30 mins. Walking would be faster, but then you'd need to go back and fetch my car later.
Remove all the stupid restrictions and the traffic would actually flow rather than being stuck going down residential streets never desiged for that sort of traffic.

Originally posted by Cyclone
You can legally be facing the other way, turn into the sidestreet just before the tram stop (opposite the hsbc) then turn around and turn right as you come back onto middlewood road.

It's hardly a few minutes. If you wanted to go from Co-op to my house in rush hour (by the legal and ridiculous circuitous route) it could take you 30 mins. Walking would be faster, but then you'd need to go back and fetch my car later.
Remove all the stupid restrictions and the traffic would actually flow rather than being stuck going down residential streets never desiged for that sort of traffic.

I wholeheartedly agree that it's daft with the silly routes that I have to follow to get from home to Hillsborough or back again. During rush hour, or even worse on days when there's a football match, the extra time spent going almost round in circles makes the whole thing a travesty. I would be out of the way and home already if it wasn't for the silly restrictions.

well frankly, driving anywhere near Hillsborough (or any stadium) on a match day seems a foolish idea.
removing the tram gate would be disastrous. the jams would be in all four directions from the Corner. the effect on the buses and trams would be a nightmare for all involved.
the existing 'Circuitous' routes that some motorists have to take is the best compromise i can think of that doesn't involve a (would-never-happen) fly-over or tunnel.
can anyone think of a better way of managing the car traffic in the area that wouldn't cripple the community's vital public transport?

Originally posted by hotphil
well frankly, driving anywhere near Hillsborough (or any stadium) on a match day seems a foolish idea.
removing the tram gate would be disastrous. the jams would be in all four directions from the Corner. the effect on the buses and trams would be a nightmare for all involved.
the existing 'Circuitous' routes that some motorists have to take is the best compromise i can think of that doesn't involve a (would-never-happen) fly-over or tunnel.
can anyone think of a better way of managing the car traffic in the area that wouldn't cripple the community's vital public transport?

if the traffic didn't have to go in stupid circuitous routes and the traffic light timing was adjusted to allow flow instead of deliberately make life difficult, there would be no jams at all.

And maybe you could assist me in somehow moving either my house or the football ground, or ensuring that matches are only on when I don't want to go anywhere. That way I won't have to do anything so foolish as drive near the stadium when a match is on.

does anyone really use the tram after rush hour why not close it from 7:00am to 9:30am then 4:30pm to 6:30pm, this would make it easier for people who live in and around hillsborough not just passing through.:confused:

the cameras in quesion are not for the tram gate!!!

they are just traffic monitoring cameras. i see them all over sheffield.

well drive through them and tell us if you get a fine:D :D

And maybe you could assist me in somehow moving either my house or the football ground,
Sorry, if you move near a football stadium etc then you can't really complain about the traffic/noise etc when events are on. If you moved there before the stadium was built then it's a fair point, otherwise the argument's a non-starter I'm afraid.
Reminds me of when I lived down south and were constantly being told how many millions of pounds of tax payer's money was being spent on public enquiries because people who'd moved near Heathrow didn't like the idea of living near an airport that might possibly expand :loopy:

regarding the tram gates we have had shops on langsett road for over sixty years why should people who live in york decide what is best for people living and working in hillsborough? as a former shop keeper we were told the tram gates were on a trial basis {three months} after which the people of hillsborough would be consulted and asked to decide if the tram gates were better or should be removed this was not done and as usual the councillors did what ever they wanted in conjuntion with oscar-fabor a private consultation company based in york at a cost to the sheffield ratepayer of tens of thousands of pounds just look at the state of hillsborough now run down shops litter and traffic chaos as well as drunken yobs at the weekends well done sheffield city council:loopy:

Oh I wasn't aware of that - only moved to Malin Bridge two years ago. Was that really the case? That seems unfair to make a change that would obviously have a massive impact on local businesses and fail to follow-through on a promised consultation.

Originally posted by hotphil
Sorry, if you move near a football stadium etc then you can't really complain about the traffic/noise etc when events are on. If you moved there before the stadium was built then it's a fair point, otherwise the argument's a non-starter I'm afraid.
Reminds me of when I lived down south and were constantly being told how many millions of pounds of tax payer's money was being spent on public enquiries because people who'd moved near Heathrow didn't like the idea of living near an airport that might possibly expand :loopy:

I didn't complain about it, you said I was foolish to drive near it.
I'd like you to admit that it's not foolish since I live near it and have no choice.
Indeed the majority of people driving in the area on those days (who aren't there to see football) probably have little choice about it rather than being foolish.

yes that was the case many many businesses closed in hillsborough and on langsett road (over 80) due to supertram and those gates we were promised the world by councillers etc but years after not a single thing was done for the small family businesses other than big rate hikes and loss of trade big bussiness ie co-op were compensated we loved our businesses and took good care of our staff and customers hillsborough is a sadder place for the loss of its small traders they help to create a community and when all you have left is big multiples who care only for their bank balances the whole area will suffer in the 80s and early 90s hillsborough was booming and a place to be proud of look at it now and it makes me sad

I'd like you to admit that it's not foolish since I live near it and have no choice.

Choices:
- avoid driving in Hillsborough for the (very short) periods before and after matches when the traffic is snarled
- go to Crookes in those periods
- move house

There's three for starters.

Perhaps 'foolish' was the wrong word - I can see how that might be interpreted as a put-down/insult. I was trying to convey the point that if someone could reasonably expect there to be traffic jams at a given time, then perhaps they may wish to avoid driving during those times.
Perhaps 'uninformed' would have been a better choice of word. For non-football fans like me, we don't always know when a match is on, but if I get stuck in the jams I put it down as my misfortune - not someone else's fault.

I also have no idea when a match is on, although i can generally figure it out by the number of cars being parked all over the place.

If I need to go out at that time then it's hardly foolish to do so.
It's not that i'm going to hillsborough, it's that i'm already there (well, walkley and the traffic is still stuffed up by the football match). I might be going to the moon for all the difference it makes if I can't get down walkley lane to the traffic lights to turn away from hillsborough.

I think this is distracting us from the real problem anyway, and yes, it was the word foolish that i didn't like.

I don't think that the current road planning and stupid number of restrictions helps to make traffic flow well. The whole corner needs replanning and the restrictions lifting/changing in a way that allows traffic and the trams to flow (and flow in the directions that people actually need to go).

Agreed. Something needs to be changed there, it's a question of what. My viewpoint is that there seems to be two quick, easy and achievable options - enforce the tram gate, or abolish it.
More fanciful ones would be things like a new river crossing - perhaps in to Holme Close, or a bridge/tunnel for one flow at the corner. I think the cost of each would mean they'd never happen.

I'd really be interested to see what would happen if/when it is ever enforced. My opinion is that it would be a great benefit. Perhaps we'll never know either way and just have to live with it. Time will tell....

And I've just been out and spotted the 4th camera opposite Maplins, again pointing in the direction to observe traffic heading into town. Be interesting to see what (if anything) the planners do with the information they're gathering.

Again, apologies if my poor choice of word caused offence. I think 'unaware' was perhaps the one I was really searching for!

Yes, great idea hotPhil, 'Go to Crookes.'.
'Cause Crookes main road isn't congested enough already every time a bus pulls up and blocks the flow of traffic.

Can confirm that another camera has been installed this afternoon outside Maplins/Queens Ground pub.

can anyone please confirm if these cameras are for real, i am making alot of detours to get round them.:( :(

Fact - whether the cameras are real or not anyone who ignores the current rules and goes through the tramgate is commiting an offence and and should not complain if caught.

Oh no!! I've just this second drove past the tram gate!!! Wasn't payin any attention to what was happening with the street lights tho! Oooops, hope I'm not the 1st to be told off! :confused:

fact, myself and family have lived in hillsborough for over seventy years until 1995 people had been driving riding through hillsborough without any problem, then were told because of a tram they had to stop ,sorry that aint democratic, consult the people who live and work their and put it to a vote then go with that ,if a law is c--p it aint going to work

As I have said before these are ANPR... the easily fooled are avoiding them...


There was strong public and Member support for the principles of the consultants’ proposals, and for increased enforcement of the bus/tram gates. Currently it is not possible to provide criminalised enforcement of bus lane or gate infringements using camera technology outside London, as there is no legal framework for this. It is understood that de-criminalised enforcement of these offences using camera equipment will soon be possible, although it is still not clear when this may be. This is also due to the lack of a legal framework, and guidance on implementation and approval of suitable types of equipment.



Read Me (http://www.sheffield.gov.uk/your-city-council/council-meetings/cabinet/agenda-10th-december/hillsborough-tm-review)

Originally posted by hotphil
Agreed. Something needs to be changed there, it's a question of what. My viewpoint is that there seems to be two quick, easy and achievable options - enforce the tram gate, or abolish it.
More fanciful ones would be things like a new river crossing - perhaps in to Holme Close, or a bridge/tunnel for one flow at the corner. I think the cost of each would mean they'd never happen.

I'd really be interested to see what would happen if/when it is ever enforced. My opinion is that it would be a great benefit. Perhaps we'll never know either way and just have to live with it. Time will tell....

And I've just been out and spotted the 4th camera opposite Maplins, again pointing in the direction to observe traffic heading into town. Be interesting to see what (if anything) the planners do with the information they're gathering.

Again, apologies if my poor choice of word caused offence. I think 'unaware' was perhaps the one I was really searching for!

Also now installed outside Montys - City Side, Penistone Rd.

Originally posted by Gazza
As I have said before these are ANPR... the easily fooled are avoiding them...

There was strong public and Member support for the principles of the consultants’ proposals, and for increased enforcement of the bus/tram gates. Currently it is not possible to provide criminalised enforcement of bus lane or gate infringements using camera technology outside London, as there is no legal framework for this. It is understood that de-criminalised enforcement of these offences using camera equipment will soon be possible, although it is still not clear when this may be. This is also due to the lack of a legal framework, and guidance on implementation and approval of suitable types of equipment.

Read Me (http://www.sheffield.gov.uk/your-city-council/council-meetings/cabinet/agenda-10th-december/hillsborough-tm-review)
I think that clearly the most sensible solution (;)) here is to implement a legal framework allowing the prosecution based on photos submitted by members of the public. You could have bounties too, and make a nice little earner by spending a morning at the junction with a camera :)

On the serious side of that, I've always wanted to go round photographing drivers on their mobiles, but I assume it would be impossible for the police to do anything with it? Would they even bother having a chat to them along the lines of "we can't prove it in court, but you've been a naughty boy"?

Cameras outside Boots and on the bridge opposite Deepend hav now been taken down. Brackets are still in position so looks as though they will be refitted at some future date.

Originally posted by vmax
fact, myself and family have lived in hillsborough for over seventy years until 1995 people had been driving riding through hillsborough without any problem, then were told because of a tram they had to stop ,sorry that aint democratic, consult the people who live and work their and put it to a vote then go with that ,if a law is c--p it aint going to work

The issue was put to the vote in 2004 and H'boro elected 3 labour councillors. This, despite other parties using the tram gates issue as an election issue.

:loopy: :loopy: whats happening????????????:loopy: :loopy:

Originally posted by Gazza
As I have said before these are ANPR... the easily fooled are avoiding them...

Read Me (http://www.sheffield.gov.uk/your-city-council/council-meetings/cabinet/agenda-10th-december/hillsborough-tm-review)

Yes they were ANPR cameras. Something to do with central government statistics on journey times so anyone going through the bus gates needn't worry ........... just yet anyway;)