Having just read a thread about University roundabout AKA Brook Hill roundabout AKA the roundabout of death I thought it would be fun to talk about the really odd junctions that Sheffield has.

Personally I vote for the one at Commonside where Springvale Road crosses it. It's the only place I've ever felt in danger going straight-on due to the number of people in the middle of the road trying to turn somewhere.

Apparently even driving instructors argue about Brook Hill roundabout and have varying opinions about which is the correct lane to be in for the direction you're going. If even they aren't sure then what hope do we have eh?:loopy:

I've only been driving since November last year but I think a junction that fills me with dread everytime I go near it is the Leppings Lane/Penistone Rd roundabout. It's not so bad if you're coming down from the bridge, or even if you're coming from Penistone Rd. If you're coming off Leppings Lane though it's a nightmare to find an opening and you nearly have to block off traffic to get through as the Penistone Rd cars come flying off without stopping to check half the time. Not nice, especially for a new driver. Good job I had plenty of practice on that one beforehand cos it ended up being on my test route. Nasty!

i work at peugeot on penistone road. it is a fast road, people dont realise its a 30mph limit. i feel sorry for u lot coming down from leppings lane.

I only knew it was a 30mph zone (as most of the roads in sheffield are) as it was on my usual driving lesson route.

If they want to enforce it they should put a speed camera around there and not just the speed camera signs that nobody pays any attention too.

What can ya do eh. :)

The roundabout at the bottom of Moonshine Lane (Herries Rd).

I assume that if you are going straight across a roundabout ( in this case Moonshine Lane to Shirecliffe Rd) and there are no lane markings but there is room for two cars abreast, then cars going straight on should use the left side and cars turning right use the right side.

I can't count the number of times that I've waited on the left to pullout and go straight on and some clown has pulled alongside me on my right then gone straight on nearly forcing me to either go left (which I didn't want to) or pull up to let the wally past as there's only one car's width at the exit onto Shirecliffe Rd. I would have thought that it was obvious to the other drivers that as I'm not indicating 'left', I'm not going left.

Or am I one of the few who uses indicators to show my intentions on a roundabout?

Originally posted by markham

Or am I one of the few who uses indicators to show my intentions on a roundabout?

Yes, sadly there are few of us around. In the situation you described I'm afraid I would take the middle of the road. If there are no lane markings then it is single carriageway. You may p*** off other drivers but you'll be a lot safer.

As to which is the worst junction, imo, it's got to be the top of Upperthorpe when turning right onto Howard Road.

There is a bad junction not far from me, the one at the bottom of Walkley Bank Road which connects to Rivelin Valley Road, it's a nightmare when the traffic's heavy...

Then again Rivelin Valley Road is just one big nightmare altogether, there's been SO many smashes on there over the years you wouldn't believe it.

Originally posted by Rich
There is a bad junction not far from me, the one at the bottom of Walkley Bank Road which connects to Rivelin Valley Road, it's a nightmare when the traffic's heavy...

Then again Rivelin Valley Road is just one big nightmare altogether, there's been SO many smashes on there over the years you wouldn't believe it.

The carnage on Rivelin Valley Road defies logic to me.

These smashes MUST be caused by complete idiots when you consider that to get there you've either negotiated the hazards of Malin Bridge safely, or the 60mph, winding A57, or one of the steep and slippery side roads. By comparison, Rivelin Valley Rd is a safe, almost straight 40mph with little traffic.

Anybody know what the state of these drivers was before they crashed? Drunk, sober, speeding or underage? There's got to be a reason.

The junction between Bramall Lane, Hill Street, Woodhead Road and Cherry Street I always think is a bit crazy, but I don't drive so I don't know how difficult it is to manage.

Also the one just further down where the Cricketers is, if your coming down the side road by the Cricketers is, its almost a blind junction.

If people don't know the layout of Blonk street outside the Bristol hotel then that causes problems too, where the inside lane veers off to the left, far too many people don't/can't see the lane markings.

Originally posted by markham


Or am I one of the few who uses indicators to show my intentions on a roundabout?

Your the one of the few that use indicators full stop.

As a pedeastrian I find the junction at the end of Shoreham Street, where it joins up with the dual carrigeway. People coming from the direction of the train station most of who turn right rarly indicate. There are two lanes for them one for turning right and one for turning right and going straight onto Shoreham Street. At that crossing their are no crossing lights so have to stand there waiting for a gap, becuase the second you decide to cross, that will be the time that the car goes straight and not right.

Never have a problem with roundabouts, always know which is the right lane and if some prat wants to try and cut me up they can try, they usally end up stopping or going right round the roundabout.

Originally posted by markham
The carnage on Rivelin Valley Road defies logic to me.

These smashes MUST be caused by complete idiots when you consider that to get there you've either negotiated the hazards of Malin Bridge safely, or the 60mph, winding A57, or one of the steep and slippery side roads. By comparison, Rivelin Valley Rd is a safe, almost straight 40mph with little traffic.

Anybody know what the state of these drivers was before they crashed? Drunk, sober, speeding or underage? There's got to be a reason.

Mostly speeding hence the cameras and the fact that it doesn't go national speed limit until Manchester Road

Originally posted by Sidla
The junction between Bramall Lane, Hill Street, Woodhead Road and Cherry Street I always think is a bit crazy, but I don't drive so I don't know how difficult it is to manage.

Thats fine as long as you are on Brammall lane and don't need turn turn at that junction. It's busy as people use it to avoid those lights on Queen Street/Little London Road.

The safeway roundabout is bad, especially for traffic coming from Charter Row, you can end up waiting there for ages while there is a constant stream of traffic coming round the roundabout. Having the traffic lights set back from the roundabout doesn't work, you just end up with a constant 'buffer' of cars waiting to get onto the roundabout from all directions.

Originally posted by bassman-x
The safeway roundabout is bad, especially for traffic coming from Charter Row, you can end up waiting there for ages while there is a constant stream of traffic coming round the roundabout. Having the traffic lights set back from the roundabout doesn't work, you just end up with a constant 'buffer' of cars waiting to get onto the roundabout from all directions.

I agree, the Safeway is a bad roundabout, esp at peak times.

I think, what ought to be done is to utilise those traffic lights already on there, and phase each exit, in turn, instead of just having the lights operational at peak times. The flow would be a heck of a lot smoother IMHO.

re brook hill roundabout... i think a lot of the problem is the sudden split from 2 lanes to 3, if the extra lane was to begin further back, maybe the idiots who cut us up from the wrong lanes wouldn't cause/have so much of a problem.

It may help if ALL the roundabouts were clearly marked from a lot further back, so that people had some kind of idea which lane to be in. If you think about it a lot of people driving in Sheffield are visitors and those that aren't that don't drive everyday find that everytime they go out there is another way you cannot go, because they continually change the systems. Town is a nightmare to get anywhere near and if you find you can no longer get to where you wanted to be you cannot get out again.
Thankfully i learnt to drive here and most of the roundabouts i was taught which lane to be in and i have guided others through the systems, but if i hadn't it would be a nightmare. And yes noone indicates really bad. Are you not allowed to know where they are going, or do they not know??:loopy:
Worst junction Manchester Rd - Shore Lane - Tapton Cres Rd and the other one, making it 5 ways one of which crosses the another to get to the juntion properly, bend in Manchester Rd makes it impossible to see cars coming up the road and they go too fast (only 30) and also parents trying to cross at corners with kids and big kids themselves who can't be bothered to walk up to the crossing (50 yards) and parents parking to drop off kids and pick them up on double yellow lines.:loopy:I HATE THIS JUNCTION :mad:

The other one is at the top of Hagg Hill you used to have to stop at the top if you were coming up (tricky) but they changed it years ago but some people are stiil not used to it as sometimes if you are coming up the person going across at the top do not give way as it used to be.

Originally posted by fuzzy

Worst junction Manchester Rd - Shore Lane - Tapton Cres Rd and the other one, making it 5 ways one of which crosses the another to get to the juntion properly, bend in Manchester Rd makes it impossible to see cars coming up the road and they go too fast (only 30)

This is a terrible junction, I have sat there ages and really hate it. I still always worry about the Brook Hill roundabout - had another bad experience there on Saturday, with a motorcyclist, going ridiculously fast, appearing from nowhere.

The junction of Abbey Lane and Abbeydale Road. I've seen too many crashes there. Theyy've revamped the lights, but i can't see it making any difference.

I have to add that Sheffield people seem to run more red lights than anywhere else I've ever been. This is partially understandable given the close proximity of lights on some stretches of road and general cavalier attitude of some traffic planners who seem to think "lets play with the timing of the lights and see if we can make traffic flow better/worse".

But, I was sat at the lights on one of the side roads feeding onto Langsett road, and as the lights turned green I pulled away, and was nearly killed by some guy going down Langsett road at about 60mph - his lights completely red - not even attempting to slow down.

Originally posted by markham
The carnage on Rivelin Valley Road defies logic to me.

These smashes MUST be caused by complete idiots when you consider that to get there you've either negotiated the hazards of Malin Bridge safely, or the 60mph, winding A57, or one of the steep and slippery side roads. By comparison, Rivelin Valley Rd is a safe, almost straight 40mph with little traffic.

Anybody know what the state of these drivers was before they crashed? Drunk, sober, speeding or underage? There's got to be a reason.

Drunk, speeding or underage? Probably all of the above mate.

Used to live on Tapton hill road so no what you mean Fuzzy - my bug bear is the one a little further up - Lydgiate Lane/Manchester Road and Sandygate - Fun in the morning/evenings with people trying to turn on/off - prey for someone at the pedestrian crossing!

Not a junction - but crookesmoor road drives me barmy on a regular basis! People just either go hell for leather or stop constantly.

Meadowhall is getting increasing busy again as we're heading towards Christmas.
Anyone want to double up on my tandem from Norfolk bridge to Rotherham weekdays.

I'd nominate the junction between the bottom of Ringinglow Rd, Ecclesall Rd South and Tullibardine Rd. It's not particularly a big or busy junction but it's terribly designed. To turn left on to Tullibardine you must cross Ringinglow Rd, which often means giving way to anyone coming down Ringinglow Rd to join Ecclesall Rd South, and meaning you can cause a mini tailback on to the main road. The pedestrian crossing directly next to all of this simply compounds the problem further. Does anyone else find this junction annoying?

I actually quite like Brook Hill roundabout, it's a complete free for all, and I find this exhilarating!
The thing I don't quite understand about it, and it seems quite unique to this roundabout, is that rather than wait behind the white line, cars seem to wait situated half way across the roundabout. This means that when you are on the roundabout, you have to swerve to avoid cars to make your exit.
Still, all the fun of the fare, I guess.

As Mr. T would say:

"I pity the fool who thinks he can use Brook Hill roundabout and get of it alive."

And the classic:

"I ain't getting on no roundabout"

Quite a few roundabouts spring to mind, It's not even that some of them aren't clearly marked out rather it's the stupid idiots who think they own the road and can change lanes on the roundabout without warning or right of way and those who think the indicator lever is something to hang the car smelly on and don't seem to of figured out that they're supposed to indicate their intended movements to other drivers.
The traffic lights along Abbeydale road at Woodseats, Archer road [both ends] and Beauchief are timed to make sure the traffic has DEFINITELY stopped before allowing the opposing traffic to start moving. Unfortunately a lot of people now know there is a long delay so merrily barrel through the lights at red, when I'm a pedestrian that REALLY annoys me and if I ever catch the silver Saab driver who almost helped me towards a halo and harp i'd like to have a quiet word with him.

I personally used to hate the junction at the top of the road (can't remember the name) going up the side of the Netto store at Walkley. It's so steep, you need to be at full throttle and can't see in both directions so it's give and take if you make it in one peice.

Park Square roundabout at speed during the morning rush hour, so exhilarating! Wait for green and hit the gas. I know the sequence so well and know I will get lights changing to green as I get out there. I am so sedate during the journey in from Ecclesfield and so well behaved but I can't resist that last little jaunt. Trouble is the ******** who use the A61S to queue jump the lane up to Arundel Gate. Look out for me in the red Nissan Terrano at about 9 a.m.

Originally posted by markham

These smashes MUST be caused by complete idiots when you consider that to get there you've either negotiated the hazards of Malin Bridge safely, or the 60mph, winding A57, or one of the steep and slippery side roads. By comparison, Rivelin Valley Rd is a safe, almost straight 40mph with little traffic.


It's usual young lads who lose control and run into a tree. The worst bit is at the 'S bends', a nasty little chicane like affair which, if taken quickly, rapidly leads to either hitting oncoming traffic or losing it by trying to bring the car back round.

Having said that, there are accidents all up and down it because, as you pointed out, it's a long straight road with little traffic. However,it's also heavily wooded and the leaves on the road (wet or otherwise) mean that lads racing up and down can easily spin out even on the straight bits.

I lived next to the Rivelin, sat back from Rivelin valley road, for 17 years and my folks still live there. You soon get used to sirens at 3am, sadly.

Bradfield Rd at the flats, coming from Penistone Rd to Malin Bridge.
I see the same cars every day in the inside lane knowing full well it becomes one lane just after the roundabout, then forcing their way out. Also coming out from Hawksley Rd, cars are coming so fast it is virtually impossible to see them for the buildings there. The roundabout is set to the right from Hillsborough to Penistone Rd giving a straight run.

Ah, I remember having a crash up at Halifax Road (Parson X) back in 1992, a bakery delivery van pulled out and hit us I think, we were on our way to Barnsley.

Alex

Originally posted by matsalleh
Bradfield Rd at the flats, coming from Penistone Rd to Malin Bridge.
I see the same cars every day in the inside lane knowing full well it becomes one lane just after the roundabout, then forcing their way out. Also coming out from Hawksley Rd, cars are coming so fast it is virtually impossible to see them for the buildings there. The roundabout is set to the right from Hillsborough to Penistone Rd giving a straight run.

imo it's the cars parked along the side of the road that are the problem. There are still 2 lanes but you always get the ATM parkers who stop the traffic behind from continuing up to the lights in order to turn left. I'm talking about peak times when there's not meant to be any parking along the stretch between the r'about and the lights.

The thing that I think causes most confusion about the Brook Hill roundabout is the fact that when you're coming up the dual carriageway past the University tram stop, the road divides into three lanes for left, straight on and right. Left is obviously up past the University, right is obviously down Brook Hill to West Bar area, but the trouble comes when there are effectively two straight ons: the road up to Walkley and the dual carriageway down to Shalesmoor. People never seem to know which lane they ought to be in for those two, and as one previous poster said, it's not helped by the fact that the traffic coming down the hill from the University always seems to stop halfway onto the roundabout. All in all the whole thing's a nightmare, but look at it this way: how much worse will it be if and when they build the tram line up Brook Hill to Broomhill as well?

Yes Max,
The cars parked on Bradfield road are a problem,but the inside lane is for left turn only into the car park, and there is a road sign showing exactly that.But people take no notice of road signs,for example Morrison`s car park straight on cars,motorbikes prohibited except disabled and taxis.Seems all disabled are driving MPV s and 4x4 s.

Originally posted by metalman
[Confusion on Brookhill Roundabout]

Yes. This is a roundabout that definitely needs proper traffic lights on the roundabout at peak times. On a morninng if you're entering from Walkley then you have to fight for a gap as all the cars from Broomhill get priority.

It's scary on a bicycle.

The other thing that always happens on an evening is that traffic going up towards Broohmill gets backed up onto the roundabout which makes things equally dangerous and confusing.

Originally posted by ptigga
Yes. This is a roundabout that definitely needs proper traffic lights on the roundabout at peak times. On a morninng if you're entering from Walkley then you have to fight for a gap as all the cars from Broomhill get priority.

It's scary on a bicycle.

The other thing that always happens on an evening is that traffic going up towards Broohmill gets backed up onto the roundabout which makes things equally dangerous and confusing.


Not that I've got much experience of driving, but Brook Hill roundabout is definitely the scariest / worst-thought-out roundabout I've ever come across, anywhere in the UK.

When I was practising for my driving test, my instructor got me to drive onto it lots of times, and I was petrified every time, even with him sitting there beside me, ready to take over.

Coming down from Walkley is a nightmare - at certain times it's almost impossible to get onto the roundabout as the traffic from Broomhill is so heavy. The traffic lights don't seem to have helped at all, certainly not helped the Walkley traffic. When they first went up I thought - great, they'll be used to hold back the Broomhill traffic a bit, to give Walkley drivers a chance to get out. But no - they hold up Walkley traffic just as much as Broomhill's. I simply don't understand the logic. :confused:

Still, it makes other roundabouts seem easier by comparison!

StarSparkle

Originally posted by matsalleh
Yes Max,
The cars parked on Bradfield road are a problem,but the inside lane is for left turn only into the car park, and there is a road sign showing exactly that.But people take no notice of road signs,for example Morrison`s car park straight on cars,motorbikes prohibited except disabled and taxis.Seems all disabled are driving MPV s and 4x4 s.

Am I then expected to stay in the right hand lane until after the car park and then go into an empty lane then negotiate my way back into the right lane to get round the ATM parker and then back into the left lane again? :confused:

Don`t ask me, the sign immediately after the roundabout is left hand lane turns left and straight is no through road right lane is straight on.Left side road is marked with arrows to turn left into car park. I have walked down from Blueball this afternoon and there is no roundabout warning sign either. I don`t think there is any signs from the other side either. Job for a photographer here tomorrow I think.

Originally posted by matsalleh
Yes Max,
Seems all disabled are driving MPV s and 4x4 s.

Not all, we drive an Astra but will be getting a people carrier becuase of the kids needs min 7 seats.

Most disabled who buy bigger cars do so for the space, the new Astra has a very small boot as does the Ford Focus, not big enough for a wheelchair.

Jubby

Originally posted by markham
The carnage on Rivelin Valley Road defies logic to me.

These smashes MUST be caused by complete idiots when you consider that to get there you've either negotiated the hazards of Malin Bridge safely, or the 60mph, winding A57, or one of the steep and slippery side roads. By comparison, Rivelin Valley Rd is a safe, almost straight 40mph with little traffic.

Anybody know what the state of these drivers was before they crashed? Drunk, sober, speeding or underage? There's got to be a reason.
A freind of mine was victim to this road 13 years ago this month.
He lost his life at the age of 17. In the end they blamed the wet leaves on the road and they resurfaced the road in this area.
HE was travelling at a safe speed he was not drunk and he was a carefull driver. he was also a wonderfull person. unfortunatly he lost controll of his car on the slippery leaves and hit a tree.
So its not allways drunk idiots that crash on this road

To Jubby,
I am sorry if my post upset you, but it was aimed at the non disabled drivers who abuse the spaces which are meant for disabled users only. I am sure that you will know more about this than I do.
Cheers.

Originally posted by t020
I'd nominate the junction between the bottom of Ringinglow Rd, Ecclesall Rd South and Tullibardine Rd. It's not particularly a big or busy junction but it's terribly designed. To turn left on to Tullibardine you must cross Ringinglow Rd, which often means giving way to anyone coming down Ringinglow Rd to join Ecclesall Rd South, and meaning you can cause a mini tailback on to the main road. The pedestrian crossing directly next to all of this simply compounds the problem further. Does anyone else find this junction annoying?

Yes. I'd also to nominate the junction where Ecclesall Road South, Millhouses Lane, Woodholm Road and Knowle Lane all meet. There's always broken glass and hubcaps littered there, and I've had 1 accident and several near-misses there myself.

the1 at west bar is a bit tricky at peak times comming of penniston rd there is a pelican crossing just before a set of traffic lights and they always seem to be out of sync steve>>

Apparently even driving instructors argue about Brook Hill roundabout and have varying opinions about which is the correct lane to be in for the direction you're going. If even they aren't sure then what hope do we have eh?

Don't know where you've got that from. Getting into the correct lane is no problem - getting onto and round it is a problem!!

I have been driving for 6 weeks so I do not know all the junctions. However I go along Rivelin Valley road to work and use hagg hill road, the junction I find perilous. The problem is not only with people not giving way at the top but today a driver intentionally give way to a learner (who had correctly stopped anyway) going up the hill forcing me to stop behind him, I have real trouble on that bank and even with the handbrake fully applied can feel the vehicle rolling back. It is a struggle to get going again meanwhile all the cars going along the top see you are not moving and carry on driving across and block the junction further

hehe that was a rant

I will go a different way tommorrow :D

Originally posted by StarSparkle
Not that I've got much experience of driving, but Brook Hill roundabout is definitely the scariest / worst-thought-out roundabout I've ever come across, anywhere in the UK.


Nah the worst one or strangest roundabout I've come across is the so called magic roundabout in Hemel Hempstead. Its one large roundabout made up of 6 mini roundabouts and you can drive round it in both clockwise or anti-clockwise directions, all good fun.

see links below

http://www.sens-giratoire.com/textesrp/invite_17.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_Roundabout_%28Hemel_Hempstead%29

The only accident I've ever been involved in, in 20 years of driving, occurred at the Brook Hill roundabout although it was one you couldn't legislate for!!

Coming down from the Children's Hospital one Saturday afternoon (from where I had just picked up my newly scarred nephew and his dad), I indicated, got in the right hand lane and entered the remarkably deserted roundabout, planning to turn right onto the ring road towards St Marys Gate. As I was passing the Brook Hill turnoff (heading towards West Bar) a car shot onto the roundabout from there at what seemed excessive speed. My first thoughts were that the car must be being chased by the police. My second thought was, what a @#%£"* idiot as he hit me square on with no police car in sight!

I pulled over, checked my passengers were OK and got out of the car, only to find that the car that had hit me had stopped right behind me. Turned out that the occupants were Dutch, on holiday, and were heading for the Peak District to look for a hotel!

It transpired during the successful insurance claim that they had mistakenly thought that the green light at the Pelican crossing outside the old Jessops hospital gave them full right of way to enter the roundabout without any consideration for any other cars that may already be in their path!

They were very apologetic and to be honest, their attitude during the whole incident was very reassuring despite the front of their car being in bits - I was able to drive away, albeit with some extra ventilation in the rear passenger seats!

Taxi driving as I used to do some years back you get to em all and none I came across in Sheffield compare with this junction it's the junction from hell Spaghetti Junction.

http://www.birmingham-photos.co.uk/PB3/C4/PB3p56.htm

Originally posted by Albatross
Taxi driving as I used to do some years back you get to em all and none I came across in Sheffield compare with this junction it's the junction from hell Spaghetti Junction.

http://www.birmingham-photos.co.uk/PB3/C4/PB3p56.htm

Having lived in Birmingham until I was 26, I regularly drove through this and I could never understand why people thought it was difficult to negotiate. It looks bad but it's very well signposted so getting into the correct lane was easy. Maybe it's because I grew up with it that I found it no problem. :hihi:

I can't drive, but the junction that bugs me most as a pedestrian is the one on Ecclesall Road next to Wards Exchange (I think the other road is called Summerfield Street).

There's two lanes coming up from Summerfield Street, then another lane where you can turn right from Ecclesall Road if you're coming from the Hunters Bar direction. There is a traffic island in the middle, but one side of it has three lanes of traffic to cross. It seems that either the green light is on for Summerfield Street, in which case crossing is impossible, or the green light is on for people turning right from Ecclesall Road. I always run across it because I'm never exactly sure when I'm supposed to be crossing. :confused:

I heard a while back that they're supposed to be changing it, so I hope that's true. :)

I can never seem to get the hang of park square roundabout. I always seem to get in the wrong lane much to the delight of her indoors :mad:

Originally posted by Scutts
Having lived in Birmingham until I was 26, I regularly drove through this and I could never understand why people thought it was difficult to negotiate. It looks bad but it's very well signposted so getting into the correct lane was easy. Maybe it's because I grew up with it that I found it no problem. :hihi:
I drove to birmingham airport this year and on the way back i got slightly lost on thos irritating little bits of motorway that all seem to merg into one i went up and down one section 3 times. Took ages to get back :rant:

I would once again like to nominate the Centenary roundabout in good ol Rotherham you should watch the dizzies performing on that should be shown on one of those TV motoring programs with Jeremy Clarkson I think it is who is from Rotherham.

The junction opposite the Clairmont Hospital at Lodge Moor has to be one of the most dangerous. Every day cars are parked on the junction for 30 yards, there is no visibility coming onto the main Manchester Road, complete nightmare!

1. Hillsborough corner
2. Brookhill roundabout
3. Just about any vaguely major junction in sheffield :)

Originally posted by Hezza
I have been driving for 6 weeks so I do not know all the junctions. However I go along Rivelin Valley road to work and use hagg hill road, the junction I find perilous. The problem is not only with people not giving way at the top but today a driver intentionally give way to a learner (who had correctly stopped anyway) going up the hill forcing me to stop behind him, I have real trouble on that bank and even with the handbrake fully applied can feel the vehicle rolling back. It is a struggle to get going again meanwhile all the cars going along the top see you are not moving and carry on driving across and block the junction further

hehe that was a rant

I will go a different way tommorrow :D

Then dont use the h/b just hold the car on bite with the clutch.
Then when you want to pull forward just raise the clutch and plung the accel.

:D

Originally posted by pedro1
I drove to birmingham airport this year and on the way back i got slightly lost on thos irritating little bits of motorway that all seem to merg into one i went up and down one section 3 times. Took ages to get back :rant:

I visit the NEC a lot and have never got lost on the way back to Sheffield.

:D

Brum - M42 North - M1 North - Sheffield
Or...
Brum - M42 North - M6 South - M69 North - M1 North - Sheffield

Originally posted by Scutts
Having lived in Birmingham until I was 26, I regularly drove through this and I could never understand why people thought it was difficult to negotiate. It looks bad but it's very well signposted so getting into the correct lane was easy. Maybe it's because I grew up with it that I found it no problem. :hihi:
Like you said you lived there for 26 years, but I dunno where you get the Idea that it's well signposted it's terrible the signs that are up aint very clear either and half the drivers you find on there are just ignorant or they are the same as as me and trying to figure out the signs for which way to go to get out of the place and on to the right road .