Before these markets were built in the mid 60's (?) 1960's, what used to stand on the site of the markets just before this?

I believe that the Castle Market site was known as 'The Shambles' and there was an abbatoir there.

all old tumbled down structures i think, rag 'n' tag market, shambles 'n' stuff....

:)

there was a castle :)

Just by where the sheaf market building was, used to be the old rag and tag market, I remember getting dragged all round there as a small child, shopping with my mother.

it was a lot like doncaster outdoor market with tin rooved stalls, I remember the huge puddles, with sheets of cardboard to walk on.

There was a "Pay a penny, and I guess your weight" woman, with a massive set of scales that you sat on, like a swing. If she hadn't guessed your weight correctly, she'd give you your penny piece back.

Tt was very hustly and bustly down there.

There was also the huge old Norfolk market hall which stood near Dixon lane (named for th dukes of Norfolk who owned a lot of the land in Sheffield)

PT

Rather than set up a new thread to ask my question, I'll use this old one. Does anyone remember the place in the old rag and tag market where they used to sell pets and small livestock? It was like a huge barn, a pretty filthy place as I remember. As a kid we bought tortoises there. My granddad brought back a load of chicks in a box one day and was looking forward to some fresh eggs from them as they got older. Then, one morning, the cock-a-doodle-dos started. They'd sold him roosters.

But, did that place have a name?

Rather than set up a new thread to ask my question, I'll use this old one. Does anyone remember the place in the old rag and tag market where they used to sell pets and small livestock? It was like a huge barn, a pretty filthy place as I remember. As a kid we bought tortoises there. My granddad brought back a load of chicks in a box one day and was looking forward to some fresh eggs from them as they got older. Then, one morning, the cock-a-doodle-dos started. They'd sold him roosters.

But, did that place have a name?

....Mace's ?

Rather than set up a new thread to ask my question, I'll use this old one. Does anyone remember the place in the old rag and tag market where they used to sell pets and small livestock? It was like a huge barn, a pretty filthy place as I remember. As a kid we bought tortoises there. My granddad brought back a load of chicks in a box one day and was looking forward to some fresh eggs from them as they got older. Then, one morning, the cock-a-doodle-dos started. They'd sold him roosters.

But, did that place have a name?

Were they going cheap?

I think this pet shop was called Ogglys or Ogglies,I remember going in as a kid.

That would be Oggleys, we bought our first border collie from their farm many years ago.

Were they going cheap?

I like that chrishall.:hihi:

2 votes for Oggleys, 1 for Maces.

Any other votes? cheers.

Maces was a pet shop in the Sheaf market if I remember right. I wonder if they moved there when the old market closed...? I remember buying tortoises from the old market as a kid, they were well under a quid each and they were all piled on top of each other in a box. I used to pester my mother to buy me one, mainly just to get it out of that box.
Tortoises are well over a hundred quid now but in far better condition than the ones we used to buy.

Yup, thats right Jabbers:thumbsup:

I like that chrishall.:hihi:

2 votes for Oggleys, 1 for Maces.

Any other votes? cheers.

Almost sure it was Ogleys.

Didn't they also have a big shop at Moorfoot?

Yup, thats right Jabbers:thumbsup:

I remember Ogleys from somewhere though... I remember the Moorfoot shop but I`m sure they had one elsewhere... What was the name of that pet shop in the castle market...? The main pet bit of the place was upstairs and the downstairs bit sold pet foods and stuff...was that an Ogleys?

Yes, it was beside the bottom entrance to the castle market.

Maces was a pet shop in the Sheaf market...
I remember it as being just up from the Sheaf Market, on the left hand side as you walked down from Castle Market to the back entrance of the Sheaf Market. It had two floors: downstairs was the pet food and such like, upstairs the tanks of fish, hamster cages etc. I remember buying goldfish from the open white tanks they had on the floor. This was the late 70s.

I do remember a pet shop in the Sheaf market too, though I only remember them selling pet food (they had sacks of dog biscuits on the floor at the front of the stall).

I remember it as being just up from the Sheaf Market, on the left hand side as you walked down from Castle Market to the back entrance of the Sheaf Market. It had two floors: downstairs was the pet food and such like, upstairs the tanks of fish, hamster cages etc. I remember buying goldfish from the open white tanks they had on the floor. This was the late 70s.

I do remember a pet shop in the Sheaf market too, though I only remember them selling pet food (they had sacks of dog biscuits on the floor at the front of the stall).

I remember buying a Persian cat for one pound fifty from there!

God I`m old.

....Mace's ?

Mr Mace was once a witness for me in a car crash. Someone pulled out of a side road near what is now the Hilton and wrote off my very sexy Ford XR2.

He was walking past at the time and kindly gave me his contact details, without sniggering at the car.

I remember it as being just up from the Sheaf Market, on the left hand side as you walked down from Castle Market to the back entrance of the Sheaf Market. It had two floors: downstairs was the pet food and such like, upstairs the tanks of fish, hamster cages etc. I remember buying goldfish from the open white tanks they had on the floor. This was the late 70s.

I do remember a pet shop in the Sheaf market too, though I only remember them selling pet food (they had sacks of dog biscuits on the floor at the front of the stall).

That was Ogleys.

I remember it as being just up from the Sheaf Market, on the left hand side as you walked down from Castle Market to the back entrance of the Sheaf Market. It had two floors: downstairs was the pet food and such like, upstairs the tanks of fish, hamster cages etc. I remember buying goldfish from the open white tanks they had on the floor. This was the late 70s.

I do remember a pet shop in the Sheaf market too, though I only remember them selling pet food (they had sacks of dog biscuits on the floor at the front of the stall).

That was Maces.

I remember buying a Persian cat for one pound fifty from there!

God I`m old.
I vaguely remember the cages of puppies. I do remember being 9 or so, sneaking into town to try to buy a hamster from there after my mum refused to buy me one. No sale of small furries without a note from home though.

Before these markets were built in the mid 60's (?) 1960's, what used to stand on the site of the markets just before this?

The Meat & Fish market was where it is now but where the front of the Castle Market is now, was a bomb site - The Brightside & Carbrook Co-Op stood on this site until it received a direct hit during the bombing in the the Blitz in 1940.
This front part remained a bomb site until the new Castle Market was built and had two temporary (for 20 years) footbridges for access across to the Meat & Fish Market.
My Grandmother used to take me down there and I remember seeing rats running around in the remains of the Co-Op basement.

The Sheaf Market was built on the site of the old Fruit & Vegetable Wholesale Market opposite the old Rag & Tag Market and behind the old Norfolk Market Hall which stood where Wilkinsons is now.

What was the name of that pet shop in the castle market...? The main pet bit of the place was upstairs and the downstairs bit sold pet foods and stuff... That was Mace's - they started out in the old Norfolk Market Hall (http://www.picturesheffield.com/cgi-bin/zoom.pl?picture=http://www.picturesheffield.com/jpgh/s00298.jpg) (which stood where Wilko is now) and when this was demolished in 1959 they moved to the top end of the old Sheaf "Rag and Tag" Market. Before the Sheaf Market closed in 1973 they moved to the Castle Market, their shop fronting on to Exchange Street (only a few yards from where they had been in the Sheaf Market). I used to take my niece to see the budgies and bunnies upstairs!.:)
...where the front of the Castle Market is now, was a bomb site... Yes indeed, I well remember the bomb site but I think there must have been a temporary market building, standing back from the road, as I remember in the mid-1950s going with my grandad across a footbridge made of wooden planks, scaffolding etc. into a market building.

That was Mace's - they started out in the old [URL="http://www.picturesheffield.com/cgi-bin/zoom.pl?picture=http://www.picturesheffield.com/jpgh/s00298.jpg"][COLOR=#800040]
Yes indeed, I well remember the bomb site but I think there must have been a temporary market building, standing back from the road, as I remember in the mid-1950s going with my grandad across a footbridge made of wooden planks, scaffolding etc. into a market building.

Yes, quite correct - but as I said, the temporary footbridge was simply access to the old Meat & Fish market (the one which is still in use today) which was left intact after the bombing but separated from Exchange Street by the hole in the ground which was left by the destruction if the B & C Co-Op building.

[QUOTE=Banker;6427793]That was Mace's - they started out in the old Norfolk Market Hall (http://www.picturesheffield.com/cgi-bin/zoom.pl?picture=http://www.picturesheffield.com/jpgh/s00298.jpg) (which stood where Wilko is now) and when this was demolished in 1959 they moved to the top end of the old Sheaf "Rag and Tag" Market. Before the Sheaf Market closed in 1973 they moved to the Castle Market, their shop fronting on to Exchange Street (only a few yards from where they had been in the Sheaf Market). I used to take my niece to see the budgies and bunnies upstairs!.:)

Seems pretty evenly split between Maces and Oggleys. I'm wondering whjether both are correct and one preceded the other. Banker refers to an upstairs in a building post 1959. I'm thinking of the building that was there before then, in the late 40s/ early 50s. It was a big, cavernous type of building, lioke a huge barn with a dirt floor and as far as I can recollect, no upstairs. The cages were all around the perimeter of the interior, many very high up (or maybe seemed so to me because I was just a kid). It was located on the upper right hand side of the market as you entered from the Dixon Lane/ Broad St entrance.

Could Oggleys have been the earlier version that gave way to Maces in 59?

Yes, quite correct - but as I said, the temporary footbridge was simply access to the old Meat & Fish market (the one which is still in use today) which was left intact after the bombing but separated from Exchange Street by the hole in the ground which was left by the destruction if the B & C Co-Op building.

Having thought some more about this, It's left me feeling unsure because I do now seem to remember that there was a building there (yes, where Maces was) in the 1950's so I wondered whether they built the bottom part earlier and then added the upstairs and Gallery in 1960.

The memory can play tricks after a time lapse of 50 years and I would definitely like to know more about this if anyone can enlighten us.

Just found this photo on 'picturesheffield' clicky (http://www.picturesheffield.com/cgi-bin/picturesheffield.pl?_cgifunction=form&_layout=picturesheffield&keyval=sheff.refno=s01967)

Woolworths was where Wlikinsons is now and I believe that it was there in 1959 as I cannot remember it not being there and I was born in 1951:D Maces was on Exchange street.

Seems pretty evenly split between Maces and Oggleys... Could Oggleys have been the earlier version that gave way to Maces in 59?They both existed at the same time, near one another according to my 1968 and 1973 Kelly's directories - here (http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u219/twigmore/Pets.jpg) is a scan from the 1968 directory. They are both still listed in the same locations in the 1973 directory (compiled in 1972). I don't know if Ogleys moved elsewhere when the Sheaf Market closed in 1973 but Mace's continued in business.

I also remember Mace's being at the top end of the Sheaf Market, as Banker noted, and so both firms must have been in the Sheaf Market for a while. Perhaps Mace's moved to Exchange Street in the early 1960s.

Woolworths was where Wlikinsons is now and I believe that it was there in 1959 ...I'm afraid not. :(. Woolworth's was built after the Norfolk Market Hall was demolished in 1959. This 1960 photo (http://www.picturesheffield.com/cgi-bin/picturesheffield.pl?_cgifunction=form&_layout=picturesheffield&keyval=sheff.refno=s01837) shows the building under construction. Wilkinsons took over the building when Woolworths moved out..:)

I'm afraid not. :(. Woolworth's was built after the Norfolk Market Hall was demolished in 1959. This 1960 photo (http://www.picturesheffield.com/cgi-bin/picturesheffield.pl?_cgifunction=form&_layout=picturesheffield&keyval=sheff.refno=s01837) shows the building under construction. Wilkinsons took over the building when Woolworths moved out..:)

I was born in '47 and Woolies was on the corner of Haymarket and Dixon Lane, on the left coming up Dixon Lane, an old building we used to go nicking odds and ends on Saturday mornings circa 1960 and soon after Woolies moved to their new premises.

I was born in '47 and Woolies was on the corner of Haymarket and Dixon Lane, on the left coming up Dixon Lane...Yes - Woolies can be seen in this photo (http://www.picturesheffield.com/cgi-bin/zoom.pl?picture=http://www.picturesheffield.com/jpgh/s16980.jpg) looking down Haymarket - between the tram and the TRUE-FORM shoe shop. The gable of the Norfolk Market Hall can be seen further away.

They both existed at the same time, near one another according to my 1968 and 1973 Kelly's directories - here (http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u219/twigmore/Pets.jpg) is a scan from the 1968 directory. They are both still listed in the same locations in the 1973 directory (compiled in 1972). I don't know if Ogleys moved elsewhere when the Sheaf Market closed in 1973 but Mace's continued in business.

I also remember Mace's being at the top end of the Sheaf Market, as Banker noted, and so both firms must have been in the Sheaf Market for a while. Perhaps Mace's moved to Exchange Street in the early 1960s.

Perhaps they shared space in the same building during the era of my childhood - late 40s/ early 50s. I think that straw was spread down to cover the dirt floor. The building I remember was a real dump, would never get approval nowadays. Dark and dirty. Animals cramped in cages. But as a kid I used to like going around it.

I vaguely remember the cages of puppies. I do remember being 9 or so, sneaking into town to try to buy a hamster from there after my mum refused to buy me one. No sale of small furries without a note from home though.

Ha Ha I tried to buy a kitten when I was about 10 as mum wouldnt let me have one. They wouldn, t sell me one either!!

I remember Ogleys from somewhere though... I remember the Moorfoot shop but I`m sure they had one elsewhere... What was the name of that pet shop in the castle market...? The main pet bit of the place was upstairs and the downstairs bit sold pet foods and stuff...was that an Ogleys?

No, that was maces

No, that was maces

I'll look it up in Kelly's Directories when I visit Sheffield this summer. 1948-51 is the period I'm interested in. I'll post what I find out on here.

I remember Macey's or Maces being in a kind of bunker under the market hall on Exchange St, my brother went out with a girl who worked there around 1950, there was also a pet shop in the rag and tag [open air market] that was an old stone building that was underneath Commercial St, unfortunately I don't remember Ogley's.
I remember them building the new Woolies, when we had the big gale around 1960, a big drum of water blew off the top floor at the back of the construction site and landed on a woman killing her, a few women I worked with at the time saw it happen during their dinner break and had to be sent home.

I remember Macey's or Maces being in a kind of bunker under the market hall on Exchange St, my brother went out with a girl who worked there around 1950, there was also a pet shop in the rag and tag [open air market] that was an old stone building that was underneath Commercial St, unfortunately I don't remember Ogley's.
I remember them building the new Woolies, when we had the big gale around 1960, a big drum of water blew off the top floor at the back of the construction site and landed on a woman killing her, a few women I worked with at the time saw it happen during their dinner break and had to be sent home.

Skippy - yes, that's the one I remember- the big building at the Commercial St end of the old rag and tag. It might have been built of stone as you say, but in all other respects it resembled a big barn. Cheers.

Skippy - yes, that's the one I remember- the big building at the Commercial St end of the old rag and tag. It might have been built of stone as you say, but in all other respects it resembled a big barn. Cheers.

Yes it did rog, thats how I remember it.

I remember Mace's being in a gloomy, smelly basement at the upper end of the old rag and tag market - it might have been under the old Norfolk Market Hall or somewhere nearby. I think this would have been c. 1957-58. There was also a much larger pet shop at the Commercial Street end of the rag and tag, which I imagine was Ogley's. A 1950s Kellys Directory might confirm this. Mace's later moved to their Exchange Street shop, which was on two floors - animals and birds upstairs, and pet food and supplies at street level.